How to Edit a Travel Film with Just Wojtek - 1 of 2

so [Music] [Music] [Music] hello everyone and welcome to adobe live my name is james bonanno and i will be your host over the next two days today i have the pleasure of being joined by wojtek i hope i'm saying that right way tech but welcome to adobe live welcome to the stream perfect hey everyone thanks so much for having me i'm really excited to be here hey absolutely i'm excited to have you here and for those that do not know wojtek he is an amazing travel videographer filmmaker storyteller just kind of a jack of all trades in the video space um so we are really excited to dive into boy tech really creating a travel film from start to finish i will hand it over to way tech after a couple housekeeping items for those that are joining us today welcome welcome everyone in the chat it is so good to see everybody if you guys missed it please check out the brand new illustrator daily creative challenge with julia vodka every weekday at 11 30 a.m pacific time uh so tune in and take those illustrator skills to the next level but today we are talking all about video and uh i myself am i'm a video guy so i'm really excited to be joined by you wojtek today um so without further ado why don't you take it away and kind of give us a little introduction to who you are and uh what we're going to be working on today thanks so much and thanks for the warm welcome and for introducing me my name is wojtek just wojtek and i'm a storyteller that's what i mainly identify with but i'm also a filmmaker and travel photographer and for the longest time my content revolved only around travel and then i transitioned into something i call myself deep travel stories which is an approach to on the one hand represent the physical travel like going to a place being fascinated about it sharing and then on the other hand also taking the viewer along the inner journey the internal journey and living through the emotions thoughts i had back then and um one example for this is a series i'm currently working on our last adventure where i go over our memories from the last two years um there's two episodes still um coming and the rest of them has has really been very interesting like the idea is to go beyond nostalgia and figure out how all this feels today to me obviously i have my personal memories but looking back on it just turned out so interesting and apart from that what i want to do is shift content a little bit in the next year and make more films around what actually makes us human about human nature and also to kind of challenge some outdated truths there and we will do that by actually working on the video that i have in mind for today but other than that i would love to show you um one video of mine that is very dear to me that i worked on it is um about uh glacier in new zealand and i think the best introduction is to really just show the intro to you it's 18 minutes long so it's not gonna be the whole thing but let's have a look at the first few minutes you gotta have some ads yeah gotta do what you gotta do okay let's get this full screen and here we go there is a place in new zealand you actually may never see and this is not an isolated experience this is a story i keep running into over and over again the situation you have around it are crumbling roads helicopters floods and a melting river of ice in an area that literally just seems to be waiting for the earthquake of the century yet none of those have hit the region and the people living there as hard as the last two years begging the question in more than just one sense what will remain of it the prince joseph glacier or as it is known in maori karminata is not just some glacier in the southern alps of new zealand it is a reminiscence of the last ice age thousands of years old a place where ancient ice meets tempered rainforest a unesco world heritage site one of the steepest glacier in the country one of the fastest moving glaciers in the world and on top of all that super accessible until it's not prince joseph is located in the west coast region of new zealand south island it is connected and very close to another glacier of similar qualities the fox glacier if you're driving through the west coast chances are high you will pass by the area so why not stop and see not only one but two readily accessible glaciers sold good because that's what people in the townships close to the glaciers live by tourism now what do you think happens to a town that is built on top of a fault line hunted by floods glacier collapse glacier retreat and on top of all that gets cut off from international visitors other than that this is also kind of a special video and episode for me since glaciers are among a few of the things that evoke a very sentimental feeling of awe in me and whether you feel the same or not regardless glaciers fascinate people from all over the world and travel seems to be having kind of a comeback right now or maybe not too soon to say but people will travel again and i think there's something we need to speak about and no it is not what you're thinking and if you'd like to see the rest wow well i know i know i will be watching the rest of this that was uh you had me hooked i think just from the beginning and i think it's a great it really is a great representation of not only your skills as an editor as a filmmaker as a cinematographer but primarily as a storyteller which it seems like we're going to get into a lot over the next uh you know two days here but what i can tell right off the bat is that you do have a passion for the stories that you tell and you know you hear it in your voice you hear it in the message that you're getting across and the visuals just create a really compelling uh compelling visual message there so really really well done and i promise i will watch this tonight because i'm excited to see it too much praise thank you james hey we'll have some praise as we go but um yeah really i'm i'm really happy that you shared that video and again um for those that are tuning in to the chat here and are just just joining us just wojtek uh please go check it out he has clearly put a lot of time and effort and work into these videos um i myself am a filmmaker so i know the the struggles it takes to really get the right message in the story and it's more than you know a couple hundred views on these videos it's you put a lot of passion and blood sweat and tears into these projects so um with that being said i am really excited to see what you're going to be working on over the next two days and how that ties into everything that you do as a filmmaker me too i'm excited to get this started let's do it okay um should we start with pre-production or jump right into premiere let's uh yeah let's however you choose to structure this i think uh everybody would be interested just to see your process and if you want to start with maybe some pre-production uh anybody in the chat who has questions on uh way tech's pre-production process please leave those and i will just continue to feed questions as they come in and chime in on any questions i have and antidotes yeah all right um i think like pre-production i mean you've said it yourself it's sometimes really hard on travel to on travels to get the right shots but also just to make the film happen because um so often you cannot really predict what will be happening what will the weather be like and also when you're traveling not really with a fixed item or a fixed route you don't really know what's coming and um it's funny that i'm currently working on these series and now i'm transitioning into um well not a new kind of content but shifting a little bit because these series or all these videos really have been puzzles that's this this is all old footage there was no plan behind it no shot list which is also i um will speak about a little bit um this was just i i just had to try and stick it somewhere together and find a story that connects at everything which is um a daunting process uh so with the film we will be working on today that's a little bit different i got new tools i got new ways to work my way through the film i'm going for and um the whole idea behind this project which i called why i travel which probably will be the title is to um really go over the question why do i actually travel there are kind of um those answers out there that we no one already heard of somewhere you will also hear it in the voiceover of the intro sequence we will be working on but it's like the usual things to to learn to live to relax um but it's not really all it's really everything and i wanted to um take a look behind this not only because um this is a question that was kind of um torturing myself but because i think that as travelers we may actually ask that question and as travelers we also should maybe not should but we we ought to put a bit more intention into what we're doing and why we're doing it because otherwise it's just going out there traveling forgetting why we're even out there coming back and then asking ourselves that question again setting out again and it's an endless cycle um that's a lot of talk about the whole philosophy behind it but um as you can maybe hear i'm i'm really into this sort of thinking yeah yeah no i i i am very aligned with what you're saying and completely agree with the idea that i mean traveling as as everybody has become it's become more popular and and more accessible to a lot of people to travel the way we've been traveling and so it's even more important to have a passion and a story that goes beyond just shooting beautiful imagery in a gorgeous country or in a third world country telling these stories like there needs to be more from here and there needs to be more thought which clearly you are thinking about and doing and and i've been having a lot of these conversations myself so i understand that there is there's more to this than just the beautiful images especially in an era where it's pretty accessible for everybody to at least have hold of a camera that makes things look nice it you need to have you need to have the story the composition the skills that go with it to really tell the story in its entirety and a film yeah absolutely and it doesn't need to be this way you can of course make fun travel blogs i also did that and i'm looking forward to do that in the future but this film is a little bit different and um that's how i chose to go about it so um speaking about the process the way i would usually start it is to script something then think about the visuals try and go shoot it and put it together and now that um i'm uploading to youtube and getting more familiar with youtube um i changed this a little bit i also joined a few youtube courses because i think and it will it's actually interesting to hear what you think james because i think youtube is not necessarily or does not necessarily equal filmmaking right yeah that yeah that's like a that's another philosophical question but i think what i think what it has done is it has really created a platform for filmmakers like you and i for filmmakers trying to tell larger stories that are accessible to everybody that aren't just accessible to you know people with subscription plans and things like that or going to a movie and going to see a film in a traditional theater it's taken a bit of a different approach so i think if you look at youtube as just the platform to you know house these films it doesn't necessarily dictate one way or another but i do think that overall youtube doesn't really push this kind of content as well as vlogs that are quicker and more you know clickbaity content and so you're and i know you feel the same way but you're constantly in this battle of trying to make something that is going to be catchy enough that people will watch but also something that's passionate and has the fire from from inside that whether people watch it or not on youtube doesn't matter it's that you're telling the story and it needs to get out there that's true and i think it'll be interesting to see um in which way the algorithm evolves because sometimes i i don't know if you had that but i watched a few films and suddenly got a pop-up notification from youtube asking me why did you watch this was it inspirational was it educational what did it show you what was it about so just a few questions so the algorithm could understand um like why did you actually enjoy this content um so i think they're there someone or something is trying to understand more on these kind of films that usually um tends to um go under in in like the masses of video hours out there and maybe click bait here on titles and thumbnails but um watching your in watching the video that you just showed us like my my brain is thinking how is this video not blowing up how are thousands millions of people not seeing this video because it's so well done and it's like you just as as a creative person as somebody who puts a lot of effort into the work as you obviously do like you have to try to get past that self-confident self-doubt even though these people aren't seeing it it doesn't diminish what you're doing and how you're telling that and so there is it's a constant battle to try to get people to see it on youtube we actually had a question in the chat from uh voodoo val hi voodoval it's always a pleasure to have you here hello she was asking uh what youtube courses that you've taken that you mentioned or ones that you might recommend for other people watching um so on the one hand i was part of the um adobe creator community and also from from the advanced creator camp adobe creator camp um i learned a lot there took a lot away there um and there were a few skillshare courses i cannot really recall widget work because sometimes i just binge classes i just go to um 1.5 speed or 2. double the speed but the course i enjoyed the most was on the course for matt diarella really and um this was mainly because i felt um well not really connected but i think i could relate to him as a person and also like um earlier when i did you um or when i started out making youtube i thought i needed to be this quirky loud personality that i knew from other videos and he was someone amongst others like um aiden robbins or johnny harris that showed me um you can be a different type of personality you can be calm and collected and um still make the videos you want to make without um without really getting too much into this clickbaity quirky youtube game you don't need to do this there's another way and i really enjoyed the course because the main thing i was hoping for was to get a behind the scenes into that process and that it really did and this is also why i actually um started restructuring a lot of the things i do for instance thinking about the title and thumbnail before i even start working on the video that's that's that's very interesting and and uh yeah i'm a big fan of all those creators that you've named and and i find that in watching a lot of their content i am also rethinking uh my messaging and rethinking like don't try not to follow the herd as much as possible because those all of those creators and other creators out there the reason they you know become successful in their own way is that they choose their own small path and they have their own way of doing things whether some people like it or not is completely up to however they choose to create their content and when when i was watching your video i was going to say it had a very johnny harris uh vibe to it with a lot of the graphics that you implemented but in your own way so i think you're you're certainly on the right path um and again i'm i'm really excited to dive in and see your process and kind of see how you work behind the scenes sorry fly in front of my face oh no absolutely i mean and you're you're totally right um it's like so hard to um be yourself as a creative and stay photographed unique um because it's so normal to go with the herd that's like the social default we're kind of made to be made to do um but as a creative i think it's so important just what you said james to um step away from time to time and take a look at what you're doing take a look at what you're creating and give it your own spin and just like you said there's definitely johnny harris influence but i didn't want to make a johnny harris video i wanted to make my video i love it um yeah and um as i as i started to say um here about i i was just thinking like how do i want to call this i knew from the start that i want to make a video about why i travel so why i travel is kind of the obvious title and i thought an alternative on title might be the reason i travel i also thought about making it maybe why we travel so it speaks to more people but um as i put it here into brackets i think that's a different video um the reason i travel i think is a different reason why we travel and if i would make a video um about why we travel i think i shouldn't do that alone there should be other people part of this to make it a more collective experience so so far i'm going with why i travel and then i was already um thinking about thumbnail ideas and i just noted down for myself like these are really not notes you you should maybe um show someone actually i'm showing them to you so uh yeah i maybe should have thought that through but that's just notes for me right so it's reflection in the water something with reflection um okay um i think this is i think that's an interesting and interesting thing that you're lead you're not necessarily leading this process with thumbnail ideas but i've also felt that sometimes a thumbnail might come up as the the catalyst that gets me to think about a video before i actually think about the creative idea of the video and there's been times where i've created the thumbnail before i've even edited the video because i'm like oh really i'm fired up about this thumbnail how can i make the video that ties so it's almost like reverse engineering of a video so i think even though you might feel a certain way about sharing your notes i do think that there's important pieces to pull behind to see kind of behind the curtain of creatives like yourself that have different approaches to you know creating these videos yeah absolutely and it's also interesting to hear um how you go about it i think it's just um so so it's just so valuable to hear how other people think and sometimes just give you or just let you try to do it another way um so i for instance um i usually work on the thumbnail the last but um like i said i'm changing that so um in the earlier days i would have never shoot a separate thumbnail which is something i do these days now because like i said with the old series it's it's it's a daunting task going over all the photos and findings something that somehow might work as a thumbnail i'm not doing that anymore um yeah another thing i noted down was um flipped landscape so the ideas um why do i travel and the whole film is um the idea of it is to reflect on the reasons why i traveled so i thought something with a reflection or like we have it here a silhouette um that that kind of um has this landscape in it that would make sense and on flipping the landscape i'm thinking very conceptually right and i just thought it would be interesting because when you're trying to figure something out it's not enough to just remember things because our memory like many studies show is not as reliable as we like it to be um so sometimes to get to the point to figure something out you need to flip it and this was something i actually do not only wanted to incorporate into the thumbnail but also into the video to um just go over this whole theme of um of reflecting on my memories but also figuring out and flipping the perspective like what is going on why why is this question burning inside my hand um and the next thing usually is um and this is what i love to start with um is the script because i um the reason i rather identify with the term storyteller than filmmaker is that i like to mix things up and i like to put many pieces together so i like to combine writing with um well in the end it's going to be a voiceover with visuals but then also with graphics and sound design and music so that in the end we have one cohesive piece that tells one cohesive story and when i go about writing my script i usually just write it from start to finish but usually i also always have the ending in mind this is kind of where i i'm trying to go for um i heard other people say they never want to know the ending because then it's not going to be a very exciting script or story i kind of disagree on that i like to have the ending in mind and then see um where where do i need to start to work my way all the way up to this ending and um sometimes it just flows it just flows out of me and i have a very good script unfortunately that usually is not the case so what you will see is that i um that i have sequences or different parts different chapters in my in my um script i'll start with the intro because we usually need something except from a cold open to draw the people in and to explain what is even going on and then um we have chapter one which i called the quest that's just for me and um i put into brackets character and conflict introduction so people need to know who is this about and what's going on what's the problem right and um chapter two then is the journey like where are we going what are we trying to do chapter three is the struggle so so the conflict and uh also put here into brackets just for myself we're reaching an unsatisfying conclusion so we somehow concluded something we know why i eventually travel but um this really isn't enough and right the last chapter then is the resolution an unexpected outcome and in the end we have epilogue and this is how i approach it when i try telling one cohesive story because i know that if i just write it all the way down i can never be sure how much space and time do i give to each chapter and i need to be sure that for instance um i do not have a five-minute introduction to the conflict then just a one-minute conflict and then a one-minute resolution that's not a very balanced story so that's this is kind of how i'm trying to um keep myself in check and now how um so i have i have a couple questions for you um yeah like because i love seeing this process and i think you mentioned uh you had a really interesting point before you went through the script about the ending and having a conclusion a resolution to a story i also agree that i think it is important for you as the creator to know what the ending of the story will be so that everything that you're building leads to that because that's the message that people are left with usually is how it ends and and if it's not really tied up properly then it seems like everything else was almost a waste so the ending is just as important as the beginning the beginning hooks you the ending kind of keeps you coming back for more um so are there in your script it seems like you do write a lot of dialogue and i think that's a powerful piece of your storytelling when you're going into various uh cuts you know third fourth cuts are you continuing to chop that back like do you feel guilty losing some of that uh mess some of that voice over are you okay with really stripping it back to just serve the purpose of the story no i'm absolutely happy to cut it all the way down if it needs to be i would even cut the voice over completely uh it's just um so i i heard this is a prophet from architecture like the perfect house is the one you can nothing attitude to add to and nothing extract from and i think stories work the same way the perfect story is one and i do not claim to make perfect stories but a good story is one where there is nothing left to add nothing left to spice it up but also nothing left to extract from or to to cut out in this case um sometimes i may have like a favorite shot or a favorite line i'm saying but i do not grant myself many darlings that i won't kill so i'm really trying to um go all the way down and uh i i think like a good example for is this in in normal life or in public speeches you very often um you go over the same thing over and over again or johnny harris does this also he has like a lot of repetition in what he's saying and i personally do not like that because i feel like i'm repeating myself for no reason um i mean it's it's something different than johnny harris does this i think when you want to emphasize something but if something is has been said already i kind of trust the viewer knowing that and keeping up with the story so i sometimes unconscious unconsciously may do that and if it doesn't really um feel right i'll throw it out gotcha okay that's good to know yeah i think it's very easy to get attached to yeah you said kill your darlings i remember in film school that was something that we had to get used to uh saying and getting you just getting used to hey don't don't get attached to the first version of anything you're gonna create because it should change drastically uh hopefully the the story and the theme of what you're telling is the same but that your goal is to just continue to make it better so when you get feedback when you start cutting parts of a script if they're not serving their purpose if they're redundant if the visuals tell the story at that point more than maybe the dialogue is then let that serve its purpose and then you know kind of move on so yeah absolutely uh anything else i can answer oh i'm sure you're gonna be answering a lot of questions um if anybody in the chat has questions for voytek again uh if you're just joining us for the first time we haven't even got into premiere pro because we're just too chatty kathy's over here talking about philosophy and filmmaking but it's something we're clearly both passionate about um and yes any questions about the pre-production process uh voytech please just continue you know doing your thing i don't want to take too much time away from you getting into your edit today yeah um we'll get we'll get into it i promise i actually can't wait to get my my hands on that edit um just just real quick um about the last things i want to point out in this pre-production process um what i usually write down every time now is the conflict um every story revolves around the conflict and the conflict does not always need to be like a real battle or something but uh it can be something as simple um as in travel blogs going from one place to another i am here i want to go there how do i get there that's the conflict that's enough and in a gear tutorial it can be like i don't know much about this camera so i want to not get to know more about this camera what is this camera about that's that's enough um that doesn't really maybe not fully encompass what the word conflict means but it is enough and for this film um the conflict is that i'm never really satisfied um and i don't know if you've ever felt that james but uh i had the privilege to travel for quite a while and i've realized that no matter how long i will travel this alone will not satisfy me and it doesn't matter if i come back and go traveling again and i can repeat this cycle over and over again but i just don't feel like this will ever lead to um everlasting happiness yeah i um i have to agree with you on that i think um there's a couple pieces to unpack there i just want to address the conflict part of this and the conflict uh writing this down and writing it out and then like seeing what the conflict is before you actually create the conflict is something that i would like to adopt more in my filmmaking because what you've done here is now you've created a way to build the narrative of the plot of the story so you look at like you mentioned not knowing something about a gear review if that's the conflict like you can take that in so many different ways if you had a channel that you wanted to create like humorous gear reviews that made it look like you didn't really know anything about them then all of a sudden like you've built conflict and then you added personality to those and i think for you like never being satisfied is a much deeper uh discussion and a much deeper idea that you'll have that you carry through the rest of your films and and not just this one so i think in writing that out in a way you're almost like creating the theme before it even exists um and using that as a really good foundation right yeah yeah it definitely helps um like i mean i also underlined it or try to narrow it down a bit more so on the one hand it's never being satisfied on the other hand it's when escaping becomes reality so i think there's there's a good version of escaping like getting out seeing something new um broadening your horizons but it can quickly become this everlasting escape where you never want to go back and um i did not want that to happen for me so this film also kind of um is me trying to figure out how can i have a mentally sustainable lifestyle of traveling and um i know to down for myself so i do not do this for uh every film but just for myself that i get the storyline straight we have to pass these are all memories that i will also incorporate into the film which is something we won't do today and then we have the present um which is basically me currently looking through those memories but also on being on travels and we have the traveling part itself that basically is the transitioning from past to present and um i just noted it down for myself because otherwise it can get very confusing we have no quote-unquote a role in this film where i speak into the camera the a-roll is basically a b-roll is basically our a-roll so we only have to travel visuals that tell the whole story and i don't want that to get confusing for the viewers so especially inter-cutting can get really really messy and i need to get those things say straight so i'm noting it down for myself and other than that yeah i just i just wanted to hit one point there you mentioned a lot a lot of pieces get becoming messy or can become messy um i think if you don't know how to use them responsibly as an editor um which i know you'll probably talk a little bit about as you're creating this edit like every clip every uh visual is deliberately chosen and sometimes as you know maybe an amateur editor someone who sees you know a matt como type of editor who creates these amazing like transitions and does them really well or a sam colder it's very easy to see a lot of these creators and know okay i just want to create this something that looks really crazy and has a lot of effects and that could be a blessing and occur and in storytelling the way you do it uh you have to be responsible with the things you choose to show and it's not always let me throw 10 transitions in this video it's let's let this play out slowly let's you know you know what i mean like it takes it takes time to do that and to almost get to the point where you can strip a lot of those effects back and just let the visuals speak for themselves yeah totally it's also um when you have a linear story when it's basically um i'm visiting a country and i'm visiting many places this does not get as confusing for a viewer as i'm having different timelines i'm jumping um to or i'm having actually different places not in the same country like all over the world i i jump from one place to another that can be very very confusing and my job as a storyteller this is the way i'm seeing it is to guide the viewer through the story um not not taken by the hand because i don't think that's a nice um way to picture it but actually um you know just just let the viewer explore the film by itself but do it in an intentional way so that everyone can really follow through right right absolutely uh yeah so um before we jump into premiere like really the only thing left to say is we're having shot lists here and um we have a shot list for home i did not shoot those things yet but we have all the travel shots are almost all i needed so um this was what i was traveling with in scandinavia where i shot pretty much all of it and you can see some of them are unchecked which is because i did not get the shot i wanted which is good um sometimes you don't want everything you can have because that really or at least me it gets me thinking so i don't have a shot of on my grounded feet or my feet on the ground um or exploring or discovering something but i may have either similar shots or i can maybe animate something or i can think of something completely different that might represent it so um i actually like having a little bit of challenge left and i had a separate shot list for multiple and short shots which is either something i want to represent like just for a moment or something i want to pack and montage together and we have the um animation tab which has nothing in it because i did not plan this with animations in mind but i might add some later on and if i will i will note them down here just to get sure that i actually animate them so when i will be editing when i'll be editing just for myself i usually don't work on sequences but on but on the whole film sometimes i'll just really note down in premiere uh animation here or title animation here i just write out the title and then do the whole animation part as a separate process at the end or on a separate day um gotcha gotcha and will you take uh this specific what uh program are you using right here millinote is that what this is yeah insider okay yeah that's miller node um i know a lot of people use notion or asana um i i'm not a fan or maybe i don't know maybe it just doesn't work for me or i didn't get thoroughly into it but a miller note is way more um intuitive for me like it just felt right i i tried it i started using it then a few of my favorite youtubers uh youtubers started endorsing it and now here i am using well i was i was gonna say how it it flows very nicely it flows in the way that you would naturally just you know write a plan a treatment for a project or all these notes and i think it my question was do you now or would you go back uh you know on future videos and would you look at this this millinote uh plan and kind of reference things that you did and maybe take it one step further for another film and be like okay well what can i do differently maybe like those shots maybe i was ambitious and put too many shots in there or maybe i didn't put enough like would you use that as kind of a recap to your next films that's an interesting question um now that you've mentioned it i might actually i think it's not the natural uh it's like it would not come natural to me because i'm usually okay that's done moving forward right and i rarely go back to things but i rather like to reflect on things on the fly if that makes any sense but that's actually a very good idea going back to this project and really seeing okay where did i have a gap that i didn't close or where did i try to pack way too much into it um yeah that's a very good idea i mean um you have this cool function that you can basically zoom out and you don't see the whole board um yeah you can also make them way bigger you can make a complete storyboard everything yeah i feel like that um this is very useful too for working in teams so anybody that's in the chat um and i have a couple questions for you from the chat here voidtech but um having larger teams that you're sharing notes with you know if you hire an animator if you have an editor working with you you know like those this kind of layout does sort of help that too because then you know you start working together with with different partners and you can almost get inside somebody else's mind before the project starts you have a little bit of a better idea um great questions from the chat everyone seems very engaged in this in this pre-production conversation as am i but uh fergie has a question does knowing the shot type just come from experience were your notes like this for your very first video i think that's a great question fergie that's the perfect segue to actually open this file here which is what we'll be working with because this is the actual shot list so we have on the one side we have um the script and on the other side uh we have the actual shots i was thinking about and um in the beginning like the first time i heard the word shot list was i think when i watched their maze video and i thought like that does not make any sense to me right because i don't know what the film will be i don't know what it will look like how am i supposed to know what shots i will get and yes it definitely comes from experience but i think a lot of it comes also from sitting down and actually thinking about it um so uh like like the thought process especially the visual thought process is very interesting because sometimes we think like oh i have an idea for a film and in our hat the film seems almost complete like it's almost finished i know all the steps i need to do and then once we start working on it and thinking about it then we actually realize how much more work it is so um if if you're um doing a short list for the first time or if you're struggling with it um my advice would be to um really sit down and really think through okay what shot do i want at what time and you don't need to be overly specific about it i think because like you see in my script i literally write down things like something scenic probably zoom in maybe mirror scene i don't really know what uh what it will be like or travel montage matching visuals but that's enough for me to have an inner cue of what i want to do and um we were traveling scandinavia for three weeks denmark sweden and norway and i did not know how the places we would arrive it would exactly look like right um and i would not always know to which places we would go because we had no no no fixed or planned route so we were just um going about our business traveling along the way seeing where we get and at least having enough time to uh get back to germany um so i was just looking out for say something scenic and i was thinking on the way about what could be a cool travel montage like what should be in it um what are matching visuals for words like relax explore learn and live um that's basically how i use shot lists but you can sure you can be even more specific and like make a whole storyboard but um i just don't think that's the way i would go about it when making a travel film maybe when making something um fictional like a feature film or like a short film then i would be a bit more specific right yeah that's i mean great great advice and really great points there and and i i agree with you and i also you know to take it one step further uh fergie i think that's a great question and anyone else who's interested you know like the travel film realm you're treating it the same but it is it is a different beast altogether than a feature you know a narrative where you have you have control over everything so typically like for a short film or a feature you know you would include a scene description you would include a shot description and then the shot list is the most specific part of that um sometimes in travel films and i do the same thing like the shot list ends up being kind of the molding together of the description of the scene how i see it playing out and what that shot type is whereas in a narrative story a little more structured if you were going to use like a program like celtx or a final draft you'd be writing an actual script with scene description shot type medium shot close close-up those kind of things so um to take it one step further uh i think in creating you know shotless for the first time this is a really great way to do it and not feel overly daunted by the process and just get your notes and ideas out there because you're right voitec like when you're traveling the variables are much there's many more variables that are out of your control so you have to be very flexible to what you choose to include and then what you end up actually shooting in the end yeah totally and i think you need a little bit practical um i i'm the same like i i know like i said i i'm thinking very conceptual and sometimes philosophical but you can see it here i have many typos in this because i just sometimes rush through things and just note them down so i dial them in and then can start actually shooting something and creating something right um yeah we we've spent quite some time on pre-production so uh i would like to jump into premiere now but i just think pre-production is such an important part and actually makes the whole process for you um not only easier but also more enjoyable because nowadays i can go back and forth between premiere and my notes and i know what to put in there actually right instead of going through my whole footage and i think it i think it builds a lot a lot of confidence too in in the process just because there's i mean i know you felt this but there's plenty of times you get into premiere on a client project or a personal project and that feeling of like oh my god this story is not going to come together or i don't have the right footage or i don't have something that i need and when you plan it out like this you really are building the confidence that okay like step one and this huge major step of pre-production is handled let me get in and start actually building this you know you're building the foundation of your home before you build the home and like you can't really get in and start editing unless you know what you're going to be working on yeah though it would be interesting to um just start building a home just start with a room and see just start with a room you're probably not gonna it's not gonna last very long there's there's gotta be an experiment there's gotta be someone already tried i'm sure i'm sure uh yeah okay um let's start with the voiceover that's how i do it so um some people we already have a sequence here um let me delete that for a second um the way i usually do it is um this is shot in um my voiceover is actually a video that i recorded on on my camera just because i like the microphone that's how i sometimes do it and i just need a voice part in here but i'll um drag out a whole kind of microphone um it's the rode ntg so it's basically um the videomic shotgun version nice awesome yeah i like the sound of it yeah and it's small it's it's um compatible for travel so that absolutely is a good choice i think let me delete that video layer so we only have sound and let's label that caribbean so it also looks like audio and the reason let me drag that sequence out here like you can see i've organized my folders a little bit which is something i in the past never did now always do just yeah it's just necessary if it's a longer film um and the reason i like to start with the voiceover some people like to start with the music but i don't want the music to lead in this case i want the visuals to lead and the visuals are actually led by the voice over so this is what i was matching the shots here with right um that's also why we're start with the voiceover and i will misspeak in the voiceover i will try it again you can see um if we zoom all the way in here there are some claps that's because i recorded the voiceover and i knew okay i want to give it another try here i realized okay i want to give it even one more try and so i already know in the editing process i will take the last part of it so i'll hit command k and then we're gonna ripple delete this so we're just left with the voiceover and maybe to um get things to sound a little bit nicer from the start let's go to filter and eq in the audio track mixer parametric equalizer and this is something you can do at the end but i i tend to forget it so let's just start here with it let's try such a great part of premiere 2 and this is i don't remember how many years ago that was added to premiere but it has been a huge time saver for people who get a little scared of audio effects in audition or in pro tools or things like that like you can you can do a really really good job right here in premiere pro yeah absolutely um i find myself not using audition as often anymore very often i do the audio editing just inside of premiere because most of the time that's enough and what i did here with the parametric equalizer and the vocal enhanced option is basically just raise the lowest and heist a little bit so that it sounds fuller hopefully there will be a little bit of reverb in my voice which is just a room i'm living in unfortunately or fortunately however you want to put it um but we will get rid of this later and um when we have music underneath it this also tends to well not really absorb but swallow a bit of the reverb and um we'll go through this um voice over in real time just once sometimes i will go um over it at double the speed which is hitting the l key or two times l but just for now let's do it in real time so that's that's the just the voice over for the intro sequence great great um we do have a yeah before we get into the listening tour we have one other question here from voodoo val um she says do you have any must-do tips or tricks for uh everyone in the stream that you would say are imperative to your process like things that you absolutely have to do if you were gonna you know roll a couple off for everybody here in the in the chat a must do's in the process oh geez um and now we're getting closer to the truth that i'm uh i'm an unorganized mess that's called being creative yeah i think so too um the mass tools are folder structure because otherwise i will just get lost in the edit so the way it looks now it's all nice and clean but if i would um open up for instance on the project of the glacier film we just saw the glacier you might never see prince joseph um it's a mess at the end i tend to sort it all out in the end so that when i go back to it i still know where to find everything and readjust something or if i want to cut out a part and post it on say instagram or tiktok or on another social i will find everything i need to find but if i don't do that i'm just completely lost i will finish that film one time and that's it and even worse than that if i say would be working on this film and then a job opportunity comes across or i get sick and i don't get to work on the same film for two or three weeks i will get back to it and the first two or three days will just be spent of figuring out where i set off the last time right yeah there's there's nothing more frustrating than opening a project that you can't link your files you have it on a different hard drive you have there there's some disorganization that can not only like just ruin your day but also like if you're working on it as a paid job you really need to have that organization so i think to uh echo what you said voy tech and that's a great question uh val i i would probably say in in my experience like the must-dos are keep everything that you are using for this specific project on the hard drive that you're using or on the computer you're using in very organized and concise folders because you want to make sure everything is there and that applies to the second you start the project from the sec the you know second you're done and it's posted to wherever you need it to go because like you mentioned it is very easy to lose a little bit of that organization as you're opening things in after effects and you're linking things to audition and you're doing everything in premiere and so just continue to keep those things organized one other thing i also uh have have told editors in the past and when i worked in the tv industry for a little while was constantly duplicating your sequences when you feel like you have a new iteration of a cut oh yes and it may sound obvious but the reason you would do that is because many clients and sometimes we our own clients uh want to go back to three or four previous versions and if you've overwritten that all the work that you did in that version and then you scrapped it you have to re-edit it and you can't go back to the exact thing you did so would you agree that that's a that's an important step in the process for tech can i answer with a question yes please could you change the music on this project please oh my god how many times it's like oh you go back to the song i had a project one time that it was like three or four iterations into an entire cut and i was really happy with how the first version was and the clients didn't like that version and we ended up going back to the first version after like five cuts and i had to remind them gently i'm like you do know that this is what i delivered first but in order to go back to that i needed to make sure that those were duplicated and saved so for those that understand that part of the process just be very mindful of other clients having needs that they might want to revisit and if you overwrite them it's a lot of hassle and a big headache yeah i absolutely agree i mean um like uh it doesn't sound too exciting for the creative process but organization is just really really important to save you time and nerves and energy and actually be more productive but maybe to unbalance it out a little bit like another advice i would give is to let the rest of the process breathe a little bit and do maybe not always have the exact same structure because that way um it really turns into a it can turn into a kind of boring job because it becomes the same over and over again so uh start with the voice over then another time start with the music start with the visuals maybe and just just work your way through very very valid really great point yeah uh all right should we should we get into the voiceover or let's do it let's see all right all right let's go let's go okay let's listen to it why do i travel have you ever asked yourself have you ever been asked what usually comes to mind are short-lived answers we've heard somewhere from someone validated them as good enough and declared them for our own to relax to explore to learn to live yeah sure that's it well that says it all doesn't it to relax to explore to learn to live what exactly does that even mean and is that reason enough reason enough to dream of it all your life reason enough to quit your jobs exhaust your savings and embrace continuous uncertainty without any prospects or without any prospects of a somewhat reasonable return okay kind of spoke here any prospe uncertainty without any prospects without any uncertainty without any there's our cut ripple delete this and and what's the uh what's the shortcut for that ripple delete uh for me it's command k oh excuse me that's the cut and ripple delete is uh what is it shift and uh backspace or delete it's yeah on on the mac it's delete and yeah and another shortcut i have is command no it's not command d it's actually shifty um to uh get this it's not a crossfade it's it's a constant power effect which basically is an audio crossfade and so um it's not as a prop when we go over continuous uncertainty without any prospects of a somewhat reasonable return i think what do i think i think a single i think a single verb does not really seem to satisfy but okay i really love the um just chiming in here on just that first this is the first time i'm listening to this as well so um there's just so much passion and emotion just in the like the weight and the tone of your voice which uh to most people seem is very simple it's very easy to do but really it's that requires you have to have it to really bring that to life in the voice over and i think some people have it and some people don't and uh you you certainly do have it thank you so much that that's actually really good to hear because um like so often self perception is very different and i always think like ah there's not enough energy i i need to do it differently like that that's so pretentious but um yeah thank you that that really is valuable to hear from another person so yeah i think a single verb does not really seem to satisfy but actually rather backs the question why i travel i think a single verb does not really seem to satisfy but actually it rather backs the question why i travel okay here in the end i have the ending three times and that's something i find myself off doing very often because banding needs to land in a good way and so i like to repeat that and then just have like in this case oh even four iterations of the end and it's it may even just be this why why i travel why i travel and usually i like the first or the last one the most so i'll just listen to the last last one and if i don't like it i'll take the first one i think a single verb does not really seem to satisfy but actually rather begs the question why i travel okay i liked last one yeah that last one was nice and it's it kind of it lands a little softer too which you know subtle but when you have those four recorded right one after the other you can you know you know when you're when you're delivering that voice over sort of which one you nailed and which one's maybe just a safety or bonus yeah and i think it's it's also a question of trial and error so i'm not a voice actor but i wanted to the last part why i travel to sound like okay this is the end of the first sequence but the film is just getting started so there's an open end to it i don't know if that even translates somehow to to using your voice but that was just what i what i kind of had in mind for this and um now we have our basic voice over i will in the process of it all cut this down even further but the good thing is i already see we're having about one minute so even if i may stretch it out a little bit it will still um fit into the context of um of a social posting or if i wanted to post it on social and eventually this intro sequence gets longer than one minute then i can still cut it down but and this is usually how i would start out with this i have my voice over and now i will add the visuals to um lead into this now uh yeah i had one question and maybe just some tip that you might have for the chat um in recording voiceover any tips for uh people you know trying to record voiceover for the first time or especially now with instagram reels and tiktok and a lot of the social platforms more people are you know telling stories through voiceover so any tips to make it sound the most authentic and natural uh gesture a lot if if you're a person that gestures a lot gesture a lot um if if you're a person that's usually um very calm and collected um and maybe sit down on your couch relax a little bit um just try to create a natural environment there's this tip with the blanket over the head which makes better sound and it is great but um i kind of i think you can sometimes hear when someone is uncomfortable so you and the voice over you for instance can hear me laugh which makes it more natural and for that i actually need to love i cannot try to sound funny or try to sound um happy or something like that but i need to actually um display this emotion so my tip is um really try to create a natural environment and when you script out your voiceover try to strip it as close to the spoken word as possible and if it comes out a little bit weirdly just change it just just maybe try just making bullet points so that it comes more out the way you would actually speak or tell someone that's like that's a really really great tip really really good advice there i have i have one other piece of advice that i've sort of tried to gather from people outside of my friends and family group is if you feel a little uncertain of whether the voice is nailing or hitting on the points that you have you know show the voice over with the cut to somebody that you're not that that's not a family member not somebody that's going to just tell you everything that you want to hear uh if they tell you oh okay like they know your voice the best so they'll neces they'll be able to give you some good advice on hey like this doesn't sound like you or this sounds like you which is maybe what you're going for so yeah just get some eyeballs or ears in this case on maybe that voiceover as you're doing it as well but yeah voitech great really great tips there a great tip as well actually an interesting thing that my fiancee cat just um said to me is um so on authentic authenticity um or on being authentic that's way easier to pronounce uh it's um i think there's something as a camera or performance authenticity um meaning that um in front of camera you don't need to be the exact same person you are in a personal conversation that's a different situation there can be something as a performance identity that is also true to you and that's absolutely fine and something cat said to me was wow when i watch those videos this feels more and more like actually you and that was like uh the best thing she could have said that's amazing that was yeah that was really cool um because i'm trying to get there and it's hard it's hard to be yourself yeah and and again like it's just practice it's weird it's hard to be yourself in this kind of situation because you are acting yeah in you know voiceover is acting and you have to continue to do it and continue to practice and refine it like editing you know anyone editing their first video to their 50th video it's going to look significantly different and if you're doing voice over in all those it will sound more like you want it to sound um we have reverb reverb mike in the chat is saying that dancing sometimes helps i have to agree sing it first and just have fun he says people can hear it in your voice and i i completely forget that sing it away that's great that's great advice mike uh all right um where were we uh visuals visuals we're just having lots of good chats today this is a fun one and yeah and i know i know we haven't touched that's amazing too much of the editing yet but uh again everyone this is important to the process it's important to your process and i think uh it is to me some of the more fascinating parts of storytelling is all of the the pieces that go into it to create the you know the the film you're trying to create absolutely um okay i'm just looking here what do i need for my opening shot um i said something scenic probably zoom in and the good thing is i've shot this all myself so i know where to find it this is also um why i've organized my folder only in denmark norway and sweden sometimes i will not even do that i will just throw in the footage and i know where about at what time or in what portion of the um of my footage to find um the visuals i'm looking for in this case i know that we've shot something in sweden because we had an amazing evening this was it we had an amazing evening at a lake um with an even more amazing sunset is all lock footage so you cannot really see the colors but we had a little bit of this here and i wanted something with reflection for the beginning scene the problem was that i've shot another scene in the van we rented and i did not have enough sunlight to actually shoot that opening scene so i was crossing fingers and hoping hoping hoping we would get to another lake and indeed we did um that's actually something with standard profiles so you can see a little bit more of the colors here um and i think this or the one after that this one um might be the opening shot so in the beginning i thought i would actually this is like such a good example for for the whole process on the shot list i thought i would be standing on top of something like on a mountain and look down and this way reflect on the whole experience but it did not even occur to me when i wrote this that a leg with reflections in it would make so much more sense yeah in a in a visual uh well it's interesting that like that almost presented itself to you because you had written it because you were planning on something like that so you were actively looking for something that might satisfy that shot but it didn't necessarily have to be the one you had in your mind and in this case you know you had these two beautiful lakes so those those worked out really really well yeah totally and um let's maybe get all what is visual and uh okay this will um be okay this is a little bit of rustling and then from here on out should be normal sounds i'm kind of asking myself is that in the corner me no that's that's that's just a rock and there i am okay so now i need to decide if i want myself walking into frame or already standing there i'm kind of the side of i'm standing there but i'll still with um i as a shortcut will mark my in point then we'll take a look from here on how this looks and i will speed it up hit the l key one more time double the speed this is me speaking with my fiance getting sure everything's good and all right that's actually very helpful when you have someone with you when you have someone that actually helps you get those shots especially since i'm shooting on a gh5 with a speed booster that kind of takes away the reliable or halfway reliable autofocus so um we have to actually or i have to dial in every shot manually um that really helps if you have a partner with you and it also makes traveling more fun yeah yeah absolutely so this was in uh robert in the chat once this is in south sweden this is in south sweden oh geez i um forgot what it's called like it's a district um or a part of um the country that is famous for lakes um it's something with ass i cannot remember but um if it put up pops up in my mind i'll just get it straight into the life um yeah but it looks like a beautiful place yeah it is definitely and this is um this is not really like a camping ground camping ground but this is just a place somewhere in sweden somewhere in the woods that we are found on an app and um we're just lucky enough to be there all on our own and uh yeah with witness this and i promise it will look even more incredible when we um put some color grading onto this can you um just for for those that are new to shooting in a log or a flat color profile can you just uh let everyone know why you would choose to do that instead of just shooting the natural settings on the camera yeah absolutely so um in the earlier days i would just shoot everything on standard profile just because i did not knew better i did not knew that there were other color profiles and the first time i saw log footage i thought like this looks funny why would i do that why would i have something so flat and so desaturated up until the point where i started understanding that i can capture way more detail um especially in the highlights and shadows and that i can actually retrieve way more details in the highlight and shadows um this is these are mainly the reasons why this these days i'm shooting in log um earlier it would be like i would shoot everything on auto nothing dialed in manually so i had to um these days when i used old footage for instance for the new zealand travel series um save a lot of what was left there or retrieve a lot of what was left there and it would not always work out so with log footage even if it may look when recording not perfectly i know that in post production i have so much more flexibility working with it and also apart from that it just i've already used the term flexibility but it just makes me so much more flexible with color grading where with standard footage it's so easy to break the image apart and you get weird artifacts everything pixelates i don't want that i want to um have as much freedom using this as i can right yeah absolutely and yet you know you hear dynamic range and you hear why that is so important and especially i've ran into issues like this in the past like in a travel film where you're using footage from tons of different places from you know years past like you shot it maybe on a different camera or you shot that in standard color profile if you can control and shoot everything in a flatter log profile it gives you the ability to color match everything so it does feel like one cohesive film yes yeah so um if you can and if you want to go for log profile i um lately had this conversations with a few um people um if you start out start out using the standard profile but if you um want to get better if you want to get more out of it try log profile it's a bit different it has it it needs to be exposed a little bit different but it's it's not magic and this is it's not rocket science exactly and this is coming from a very non technical guy yeah well i mean you look pretty technical to me and and i think uh it is it shouldn't if it intimidates some people it really shouldn't it's just it's intended to to really allow you the flexibility like you said wojtek of of making your films and your visuals look as colorful and vibrant or just whatever it is that you're looking to do just have that flexibility to create something that looks really really beautiful yeah all right um speaking of beauty uh let's move on with this one and i just decided i don't want to walk into frame but i actually um want to stand here oh that's actually nice i like it when there's some movements in the shot so putting my hands into the pockets maybe uh be nice actually and that's just enough so um there is more happening in this shot oh i actually changed my stance so this is how i will sometimes strap through it sometimes i will just go with the l keys i almost slip there and um sometimes i would just like hyper speed scrub through it this is oh okay that's interesting so here i'm rather looking um like my i'm actually facing away from the camera and um i think i want to have this so you can see a little bit of my face because i know that i will also cut to this and my face will look to the left way and also like that's just a human instinct when we see faces or something resembling a face that draws us in a little bit more i mean a silhouette usually is enough but um i take everything i can get well you see here i think in that one too you do see that you're like hole profile too you see both feet um whereas the other one because you're standing a little more to the side um you know there but they both could certainly work but if if you have the option you know you try to take whatever you feel serves you best in that moment and you know i really do like that you can see some of that detail and structure of your of your face and that silhouette okay there is a little bit of movement in this i will try both that's what i decided for and sometimes i will do that so um let's drag this one in here um i'm just um basically uh um clicked on the whole image and dragged it down this is what i sometimes do another way to do this and we'll do this right away is oh cool here i'm also facing to the side that's nice so we are here hands in the pockets looking away looking back there also like this and another way to insert it is to um hit the period key and unfortunately i just over with my audio that's not so cool and again why sometimes it sometimes it likes to do that a little bit yeah but i think it's not when you uh so when you're um when you're recording all this footage obviously you know that you'll be including voiceover and voiceover is going to be a pretty heavy driver of the story are you conscious of filming you know diegetic the the sound of the environment are you filming that with the intention to include that as audio as well or are you thinking none of that we're just going to do voiceover music and kind of leave it as this i sometimes do um but i'm sometimes a little bit lazy when i'm recording when i'm recording i'm literally all about the visuals and i know how heavily i work on sound design and how much more i usually like sound design from the digetic sound which is weird but i think um like if my um audio recording quality would be higher and i knew like maybe a few tricks and tips how to record better natural audio or raw audio i would actually do that but um when i worked this way like the thing i was literally about to do before you asked me was to mute my second audio track layer and um just for the reason that um when i will play it back i don't want to hear um all the all the sounds of the environment below but i want to start with um visuals and voice over or voice over and visuals whichever way and lead this and um sound design will be like the last thing i will be working on um just for the yeah like like the reason behind it i don't know if that's um interesting but um i sometimes like to take away all sound design because you can also create like surreal-like dream like memory effects where you know there should be sounds but there aren't any sounds and you can contrast that with um heavy sound design at other moments um so i uh in the beginning wanted to be blank so that i can decide where do i want to add sound design and how much um foley and sound design do i want to add yeah yeah there's i mean those and those are conscious choices that whether you realize them or not they they're part of your process and i and i think everybody's process is different i i believe that there's is no one right way to do that um i tend to you know myself i try to record as much of the diegetic sound as i can but then there's moments where you're like in traffic and you can't really get maybe the sound that you require unless you're dedicating okay i know i want traffic sound i'm going to record that separately from the visual and then all of a sudden you're taking away from the effort you're putting in to shoot something so in your case you've you you have that plan and you know okay my focus is the voiceover it's the story it's the visuals and you're right like the diegetic sound sometimes just silence is more compelling if that is the direction you're taking that scene or that shot too yeah absolutely and sometimes you can just be unlucky right you may have heavy winds where our ears can not only hear the wind but also like the birds chirping and a little bit of water but your mic unfortunately picks up too much of the wind and it's just all a mess so like you said that there's no right or wrong way i think um there are people who claim that i do not believe it so i'm literally just i'm looking um how long i wanted this shot to last have you ever been asked so um it's the first three things i basically say and let's maybe just have a look at how this feels when i play it back why do i travel have you ever asked yourself have you ever been asked okay this is um interesting in the way that i want to cut here and i will just drag this all a little bit out there and i actually want to start way away sooner so let's go like this why do i travel have you ever asked yourself have you ever been asked okay and i already know that um when i would start the film like this i think this would be a nice start for a film like may with zoomer that we will add later um but um the whole issue i'm having with it i i was just looking at the source monitor instead of the program monitor that's funny so um let's get that back to 50 um and uh i was about to say this would not be a good start for a youtube video because there's not happening enough so what i will add is a montage on the very beginning of the film but that's something we will not necessarily do um during the live maybe we will edit if we had some time um just because i think the montage would be something i would take from the whole film so that we have a bang when opening and then get into a calm establishing sequence okay let's watch that again why do i travel have you ever asked yourself have you ever been asked okay i think and foretech are you getting any lagging in your playback is that just for a little bit yeah so so i'm rendering it out now okay um it sometimes does that i mean it's um 4k 10 or 15 bit i'm not sure what i exactly shot this with so there might be a little bit of lag and i have a i have a like a technical question um i don't know if it's something you do or not but do you for 4k footage um i did you said you're shooting with the gh5 right or yeah okay so you probably don't need to do this but in a situation where maybe you're shooting with a larger cinema camera with some of these bigger files do you create proxy files before you move into the edit or do you just you know take the footage directly from the source i take the footage directly from the source this is v-log i think 10-bit 4k footage um which works perfectly or works good enough with the macbook pro 16. um but if it would be like i don't know um canon r5 footage i would definitely need to um create proxies i think okay maybe go another way yeah but um this um for for this particular case it works for me it's enough if this would be an m1 macbook it would probably um work like i don't know those things are crazy i want to get my hands on one of those so badly they would chew it up like i saw some i saw something where it was like in eight seconds it rendered a like 10 minute video while after effects was going and someone was on zoom i'm just like okay this is insane yeah it's just mad and also at what speed they're developing it okay i know yeah which background why do i travel have you ever asked yourself have you ever been asked okay i like that i also like to have movement there just maybe drag this one in here and have a look at it um [Music] and if you everyone in the if everyone in the chat here is just joining us sorry i just realized it's like if anyone's joining they're going to be a little confused but we are joined by uh wojtek today uh just boy tech on youtube he is he is uh putting together a beautiful travel film and uh we've been talking a lot about the creative process behind pre-production and production and um if you stick around for the next 45 minutes we will uh continue working on this and if we take i believe we'll be working on this the same cut tomorrow as well to try to develop uh the the whole story correct yeah exactly what what one full thing uh one full sequence that will maybe also cut down for social needs and yeah what i'm doing now i mean this is basically this is really editing i'm just watching footage back and forth and seeing what matches best so i've um dragged the alternative version on top here and why do i travel have you ever asked yourself have you ever been asked okay that's also nice but i've unfortunately put my hands out too soon so we're gonna get rid of that and i'm just gonna keep this so normally um if we would not be live i would probably spend way too much time on deciding for the opening shot fortunately um i'm forced to move on a little bit which makes me more productive and i really like that yeah you're on a timer yeah and uh let's extend this shot just a little bit um like i said i would probably zoom in like i would not do something crazy but just a very slight zoom but i will not do this yet what we want to do now is um we want to um establish a foundation so i see the next thing or next shots coming up are a travel montage um and i'm saying what usually comes to mind our short-lived answers to the first summer when someone validated them was good enough and declared them for our own i don't know exactly what i want to put into the travel montage i have some ideas but i think i know a shot i would like to place like just one single shot for the foundation there and that is a shot of me standing at a waterfall in norway and kind of looking back i mean those would also work here at the glacier that's the barbarian glacier in norway oh man i'm dying i'm dying to go to norway uh it's incredible like when we went i thought if i see one great waterfall this would be great after we left i was just i was just thinking like wow um i think there was not a single day where we did not see 10 waterfalls wow yeah we just we just went to iceland this summer the end of the summer and we were so close so i'm trying to organize a trip for next summer to do iceland and norway and try to spend some time spend more time in norway yeah iceland i mean i haven't been yet but it must be incredible it must be so great it's not right it's beautiful country yeah every time i think about it i think um if i if i'll go i want to go for a long time i'm not sure how to realize that yet but i'll figure something out uh okay um the shot at the waterfall um i knew that we recorded two shots i did not necessarily like the first one so i know the second one will be a bit better i will not play this to you because it will be incredibly loud and it will be raw audio so that will just be waterfall so um yeah i like that head turn too yeah i just don't like my hair i think that looks funny so uh we're gonna use a moment where you cannot really see it like starting here okay and then turning um and the reason i'm choosing this particular shot and i'm just dragging that in here again is um the the next part is a travel montage and i'm saying what usually comes to mind so this is kind of me turning um from this place at another place and um thinking about what does it mean to travel and i'm actually showing that there's uh something happening that there's traveling happening um and let's just see how far the audio extends with that voiceover what usually comes to mind are short-lived answers we've heard somewhere from someone validated them as good enough and declared them for our own cool and like i said we're just building a foundation this will be like multiple shots of beautiful mountains and my fiancee probably standing at a lake and traveling in a van and it's all just going to be wow yeah what usually comes to mind are short-lived answers we've heard somewhere from someone validated them as good enough and declared them for our own to okay now have to i have to so that that shot there your final little like breath that you give there was that was not was that shot intended specifically for that voiceover moment or was that just kind of like a happy little accident half accident half intended i did not know that i would have exactly this shot at the voice over but i know what kind of shots i want to have of myself and unfortunately unfortunately i always forget the shots where i'm smiling and um being a little bit of my of my fun and happy natural self right but i like to have those moody looks into the distance um this is kind of a thing i'm doing and kind of the vibe i'm going for um yeah so uh i i'm trying to act it out i'm not an actor but um i think it kind of comes with with making youtube videos that you turn into a into a half actor if that's yeah yeah you sort of have to i mean i i remember feeling like i hated my voice as hearing it in another film and the more you create them and the more you put yourself out there you just get used to it and you start to actually appreciate it and there's still plenty of times i'm like oh my god i hated the way i said that or that's my voice cracked in that thing or like what am i doing you know but you have to be okay with giving yourself criticism and then moving on and growing from there yeah totally abs absolutely um like with everything you do those things just evolve and i think that's also like um such a such a cool part of um creating youtube videos or being just an original content creator on social that you are not just working on this one thing and becoming a specialist which is also important don't get me wrong but um you get to work on so many different things and develop so many different skills that you also have the chance to experiment and actually figure out what are the parts that i enjoy the most is it being the performer is it being on camera is it actually editing is it being out shooting and you get to lift them all out so um that's really a great part of being a creator right oh absolutely very very well said very very true and i know a lot of other creators feel the same way and uh but it is it's why it's why you're doing it it's why we all we are all in this field and and we're we're just trying to better ourselves to get better at our craft and to tell the stories that we want to tell and that can't happen unless you just go out there and and practice it and do it yeah yeah speaking uh of practice um we're gonna try and find matching visuals or practice matching visuals here to relax to explore to learn to live and i know that i'm saying them and i just know from experience that when i say something and match a visual to it sometimes i want it to be very fast that you can almost not see what is happening i'm not sure i want this in this case so i'm gonna separate all those parts from one another drag my audio a little bit back and um whoopsie daisy um just scatter them out a little bit here and now we're going to look for matching visuals to relax okay to relax i know that we've um had a few shots in the van where we were chilling um so these are nice the way you say relax is so relaxing it makes me relax that's good that's good okay um whoopsie daisy yeah we're just cuddling and chilling here inside the van but that's a scene for [Music] a different part i think this looks really funny looking back at it but it was very very cozy it looks extremely cozy you're just like i don't want to film i just want to nap that almost happened yep yeah it sounded like you know that feeling we do yep we uh we're very uh we're very used to the i have all these grand plans of shooting all this stuff in the van and then the second we get in the bed i'm like we're not gonna shoot here let's just lay down and relax and it's very difficult you gotta have a lot of willpower and you gotta really really know what you're doing or want to do and also push your partner to do the same thing yeah it is um it is so easy to uh get comfy especially on travels that's awesome so disney chat this might be a relaxing shot cat in the hammock over there but actually in her jacket because it was that cold but um i think instead i'm gonna use a um a shot from denmark where we were sitting in the van where is it where is it there voodoo val said if i had a dollar for every time i almost napped instead of working i'd be a very wealthy woman yeah i agree i would be much more well off now that would be a great job that's a cool that's a really cool shot yeah uh i think we're gonna take this one so how's the audio on this okay that's also just waves something interesting happening here not really but it's also just relaxing right so it doesn't need to be too exciting and it's a couple seconds you know you're looking at timing of the shot too so you know when you're building that you obviously know the running time of whatever that clip might be so you can you can kind of pick the the best part even if it seems a little short yeah totally okay this seems to be 4k so i'm an effect controls gonna scale it down to 50 um and it's a little bit dark um we can just like um for the sake of the viewers um i would usually not do this right now because i know that i will um later on when i color grade it and adjust it but so just that we can see what is happening we're sitting in a van at the beach having um a soft drink a beverage of sorts a beverage of sorts exactly and so what i'm interested what i'm interested in now is um and this is why i like to lead with the voiceover and the visuals is um how much dual time do i need to um visually or see what is happening in this shot to relax okay and that's more than enough so um i can definitely bring it down a little bit here to relax to explore okay then we go over to explore and funny enough we have a great shot here of cat i think this is accidentally recorded in slo-mo where we are walking up to this um old old lighthouse in in the north of denmark that's that's by the way a crazy story this thing is huge i um unfortunately i do not um have footage of it from close-up but it's um it is huge and they just in 2019 moved the lighthouse 70 meters inwards because um the the dune it's standing on is eroding and they just did this on rails don't ask me how exactly but i just thought that was an amazing fact wow yeah it i mean from where you're standing it does it looks even a little more compressed but like i think i'm sure once you get up to yeah you can see the bodies in the background or i think those are bodies yeah so you just see how big big it is for some scale right there yeah and i mean that's not the whole thing like that's that's the dune and behind it it goes a little bit dips a little bit down i mean here on top you can basically see how um big a human is compared to it um so i like the moo i like the um you know the camera movement that you have on this shot too and i think when you we see them cut together it'll be a nice like you've now gone from you know these three shots that are a little more static whether they were like handheld static but to have some movement on this explorer is is a really good conscious choice and it just adds some energy to it as well absolutely i mean life is about contrast so you need this in your films right life is about contrast that truer words have never been spoken okay um let's try this one and okay that was the moment i realized i wanted to shoot this in real time and not slow motion um but there's actually another um shot i'm thinking of that might be exciting this is cat but she's wearing the same hat i have so you could mistake her for me i mean that would work um but actually it's not that important who's in the shot there um yeah but this one could be nice um this is uh in norway again on the way to um to this particular spot that's that that's a rock squeezed in between the mountains and you can basically look down all the way to the fjord one thousand i think 400 meters or 1100 something like that um it's a bit scary i was scared i was gonna ask that i was gonna say that has to make you feel a little bit of vertigo okay let's scrub through this shot okay this is interesting so i sometimes like imperfect movements right um i hope this is not going to be too loud so i'm just for the sake of the viewers let me tune it down a little bit okay i have the same hiking boots great choice on the boots you do yeah those are the those are the solomon's right yeah they are yeah they're awesome i like the uh i like the yeah i do like the imperfections like the head turn and it's almost you know like you time you could time it to where that head's turning to that explore part because it's almost like you know you're on this journey with other people or in this case you know your fiance so i kind of like that i like this idea that's why we're gonna choose this moment here yeah that's cool okay i i'm not perfectly in uh focus but that's all right and i think there should be yeah right about here okay yeah i like that with the zipper pull too okay let's put this one on top and i'm just gonna disable those layers and just have a quick playback and see what i like the best to explore to explore to explore okay that's a little bit too shaky right what if we to explore no that's too shaky let's drag this one down can enable this one axe to explore okay to explore that's way too shaky that's that's not okay okay um let's try the last one i'm almost sure it's gonna be this one yeah that's that's what i was thinking yeah yeah yeah yeah it's gonna be this one and um that was interesting because um that was what i just was speaking about so it accidentally cuts off at i think the perfect moment um it's i think we could start a bit sooner but like the interesting part is um you see me walking you see me turning exploring something yeah to explore boom okay yeah that's great um couple questions from the chat here tech um yeah in this case have you already decided on a lut for the footage or do you create your own luts or do you do all the color correction and then you know create one lut kind of at the end of the process uh i have not decided on a lot yet i really like um tyler batman slots um which i eventually will put on top of everything for as a creative look with like 45 or 25 or something other than that i have a correction lut um that i use for the log footage and from there on out i pretty much correct everything myself but i'm lately thinking about creating my own correction not because i just find the correction not um to be a little bit too contrasty but again those are things i figured out with time color correction was the most terrible process for me in the early days because i didn't understand it i didn't know what i was doing but i familiarized myself to the point that i even enjoy it now and like with the correction it also went that way that i thought okay this is too complicated to do every time so i just slap the correction lot on it now that i've learned even more about color correction i might in the future do it all myself or create my own lut for correction gotcha okay yeah i uh i think uh a lot of people in the chat would be interested to see that and yeah because it is a pretty daunting task when you're a little unsure of what to do in the color correction space and i think tomorrow once we once we sort of come to the end of the stream maybe we can go over a little bit more of the color correction process because i tend to really enjoy color correction because it's that last step for me the process where like i can put some music on i know that the at that point the film is picture locked and it's you know ready to go but the color correction does take some time so it requires patience it requires a lot of trial and error to see what works but you know with with some of those color correction lots i think it will help a lot of people out you are so right about that it's like it's the moment in your edit where like the whole footage becomes alive eventually because now it's all a bit gray and flat i mean um that's what lock footage is right but yeah coloring it is so much fun even though sometimes it's like i still i sometimes slap the correction like on it and i i just um i'm just terrified that i've shot wrong everything but then i remember it's lock footage i can save it yep yep exactly yeah there's so many so many parts to the process i mean it is there is not just one thing i think that's why a stream like this and these conversations are so important to have for people who are interested in editing and of course people who are here are either doing this or are interested in this in this profession because there's it is such a multi-layered process to go from an idea to a finished film and it's just i'm always blown away by other people's process yeah it's um what some people can do with colors is just wow um but i think everyone can get there with time it's um like that there's no substitute for hard work i really believe that and the coloring literally is the same the more you do it the more you understand it the better you get at it at least that's the way it was for me so far yeah so what's our next visual to learn to learn that one is hard to match how do you how do you visually represent learn i remember pondering about this on this tour and not really getting to a conclusion can i offer a suggestion maybe just just from something absolutely i like that on the last two clips you have sise and you have one clip for each you know so you have to relax is one clip to explore is another clip and i think to learn when i think about learning from traveling i always find that i learn best from other people and so and and you might not have this footage but more interactive shots with somebody else and maybe like two or three of them a little bit quicker to show that you've learned through the process of actually traveling and meeting people that's that's such a good idea unfortunately i indeed do not have this shot which um is something something interesting real we realized i mean um traveling during the last year of course was a bit different than um in the years before 2020 right and also traveling in a van in scandinavia turned out very lonesome so um i'm quite introvertish um and i like being alone but i also always reach a point where i feel like okay seeing another person would be cool and i also have the memories from our um one and a half years of travels where we actually enjoyed meeting people from other countries and cultures and um get getting um into conversations with them a lot so unfortunately on this trip that's something we missed and that would be the perfect representation of learning maybe i'll find another shot somewhere um but for now um we may also just leave it blank for a moment and move on to the next right and maybe we just can't put something in there as a placeholder to learn to live okay i know which shot this will be yeah i find that i do that a lot i might i sort of finish sequences and you know for like montages or something i finish a lot of parts of the film and then i'll bring that sequence back or i forget i had a clip that all of a sudden pops up because i'm looking for something like oh okay you know that would actually work really well in this initial sequence so you know you take a linear approach but you can certainly always come come back to and i think you sometimes yeah excuse me i i didn't want to interrupt um yeah and i think you you like absolutely need that that's like positive stress that's like stimulation for your brain it gives you something to think and um and actually um as stupid as that sounds not maybe find the shots in in the edit but in the back of your head it might just remind you of something wait there was a moment where we had um so okay i i think that's a good enough shot for to live [Music] what a beautiful shot that is an amazing view um that is actually so i don't know how much of a secret tip it is but um i think this place is pronounced um chiaga um the mountain and that's the chiaga born and um this is a viewpoint not everybody goes to and the guy who's basically managing this place i think his name was um henry or hendrick hendrick i think and he's he told us he doesn't tell everyone to go there because it's a cliff and you can easily like drop down from it again all the way down to the fjord um yeah but the view is um incredible yeah it's spectacular and there's so much so much depth to it and uh there is some nice contrast you know you imagine that that shot popping in that color you got a lot of blue details in the water in the sky that gray or the sorry the brown or that redder color in your hat i mean a lot of that will be a that's a beautiful shot oh okay something interesting just happened in there so the sun came out suddenly but at what moment does it okay that's clouds um i'm just interested in this because i'm saying to live and it would be interesting if i would get um okay it's happening around here if i would get a shot that's a little bit more alive okay but i'm moving too much hmm i almost like i kind of like the fact that you leave the frame in that one as well you know like to live that you're on your way to to live to continue to live this life and like in leaving that frame could sort of play into that just as a that's interesting okay that's that's also interesting um let's maybe let's maybe have a look at it um so we have about 15 minutes left i know it's crazy i don't know how this stream has continued to just fly but just letting you know for the work that you want to start to wrap up i'll give you kind of like a five minute heads up um and for everybody in the chat please keep that in mind we got about 15 minutes left today on the stream so any questions you have for voy tech please please please leave them uh thank you to everyone who has been so engaged today and again we will be back tomorrow um at what time did we start here i'm on east coast time so i'm a little confused at time right now but i believe we will be on at 11 a.m pacific time is that correct let's see i i have to see two birds and i think it's a different time zone 12 p.m sorry 12 p.m pacific time tomorrow so keep that in mind and uh 15 minutes so keep it going all right let's go to live okay um i like the movement but i don't think it perfectly matches [Music] so let's be a little bit quick about it and maybe for tomorrow i might actually um prepare a little bit more so that we can like really have a deep dive into sound design and color sure that would be really cool oh absolutely okay let's take this part and i actually saw i don't know if that's the thing you should do but i sometimes when i have a 4k clip i like to crop all the way in all the way um it i mean it completely distorts the image because it's not like um it's it's not the um focal length you you've recorded this with so um this i think should be um the equivalent of 24 millimeters [Music] i guess it is interesting though because sometimes the the perspective you shot it changes the perspective and maybe you see it a little bit differently as it's in there because i mean everyone's uh initial ideas take the 4k clip and obviously scale it to what you shot it at which which is kind of the case in most in most situations but even for something like that like you might i love the scale of that but you could you know even push that in a little bit more to get a tighter shot i think i've just changed my mind on the shot because oh that's loud but actually maybe it's just one maybe getting a little bit risky yeah love that i like to jump onto the rock too like that initial movement of actually making that conscious choice yeah you live that's okay let's go that's good enough for now scale it down maybe scale it up later on okay that's lagging to live okay it's lagging but i think it's good enough for now and what do we have next magic visuals yeah sure and that's it same thing from opening shots similar looking back okay i know where to find this so this are um to uh maybe go back to what we've talked before these are now scenes that i've literally acted the way they are in the voice over these are all the scenes here at the lake and what am i exactly doing i'm looking back snorting shaking my head in disbelief so do i want it to be a close-up or a little bit further away okay there is it why did i record this two times did you shoot this so were you shooting in 4k 60 are we shooting 4k 24 what's your what was your approach to shooting um 4k 24 for 24. yeah i i almost shoot in quote unquote real time um i do not make a lot of use of slow motion um this is because um formerly when we were on trebles i did not really have that option or i had that option but my memory cards were so limited that there wasn't enough storage space to go all the way to 4k 60 and have big amounts of data so i always uh shot 25 or 24 frames per second and it kind of just developed into my style i actually like to shoot things in real time and very rarely or accentuated useful motions yeah i i i tend to agree with you on that i think as a generalization this is just my opinion but i feel like we've gotten a little lazy as filmmakers uh just shooting everything in 120 frames a second because it looks beautiful and cinematic and yes i agree that there are there are moments when that is necessary and it helps to the story but uh 24 frames is that real time and it i just think it helps the story uh it follows the story you're leading with not the other way around and you're not just shooting everything in 60 or 120 frames a second so i noticed that in all your footage and i i quite agree yeah it's it's on on the other hand um it's not only convenient but sometimes like it can save so much of the footage so there's definitely also an upside to it um yeah absolutely no hater it's it's i i tend to when someone asks me i always tend to give advice like do the things that work for you and um if you don't know what works for you experiment just listening to others is good but you should also figure out for yourself what works and what doesn't absolutely um okay this should be the right shot so yeah okay that's 4k again now i actually shot a lot of 180p but i have a lot of 4k footage in here so that that these are interesting actually they're not coincidences because i know that these would be the most important shots that's why it's all 4k that now that i think about it it makes a lot of sense right oh yeah yeah you don't you like make these decisions without even knowing sometimes and then you you have to teach it live in a two-hour window and you're like okay like i actually made that decision for a reason so yeah it's it's a good reminder to ourselves why do i try okay not from here from there please to live pew yeah sure that's it well that says it all doesn't it to relax to explore to learn to live what exactly does that even mean i'm taking it i like that for the sake of moving on and then we have new travel footage driving hiking living in a van we have lots of those actually i thought of an interesting scene we could add in here that does not perfectly translate into learning but um it might be a cool shot it's not this one i'm looking for it is i think this one yeah that's in the woods that's cool and um we have a whoopsie it was a little bit much we have a walking shot right before this to learn do i maybe have a shot where i also turn away back here so that we can have a match card we have yeah there you go lovely perfect i like the idea of letting shots breathe too and i know i know you completely know what i'm talking about here because you are doing that with a lot of the clips you have um and you're not necessarily crowding the scene the scene is playing out as you intend it and i think sometimes it's important to lead with the visuals and and it's okay for it to have a slower pace if if your intention is for for that voiceover to hit yeah absolutely i mean you've just put into words what i was basically thinking here um a friend of mine also told me um i mean everybody knows like our audience starts with our friends and family and he told me you know what i really like about your videos it's that the shorts are not as hectic anymore because in the early days i was trying to hide every imperfection and also like casey neistat was a big inspiration at the time so it all was um really fast and full of energy but um and that's not wrong it's just a different style but unfortunately like many um scene views and panoramas just get lost in this because there's no time to actually showcase them yeah that's true yes i like this one yeah that's cool okay so sometimes i don't know why is this rendering so much now when okay there we go come on there we go axe to explore to learn yes yeah that's nice i'm taking it yeah that looks that's a nice little match cut there driving hiking and living in a van so we need driving footage we have a lot of this and i always ask kat so this is also good when you have um a partner with you or just um some other person to um film you while driving you can obviously set something up yourself but um i would be kind of like i would be scared to lose my camera or you know when you need to hit the brakes or when it just flips over um so it's also really like i had mentioned before i also really like because you're shooting it in 24 frames like my wife does this too and i'm just like hey can you grab a shot of me like my hands on the steering wheel here or i shot through the mirror where there is that natural hand camera shake it's not distracting but it's necessary to show that this is like this realistic documentary style and you can't really get that when you're constantly setting a camera up on a tripod for yourself so sometimes you don't really have an option if you're traveling alone but if you have a partner if you have someone that can help shoot it then uh it does make it a little bit easier yeah absolutely i mean you can also always add camera shake and post without the effect but it's not the same not the same one additional step okay i think i like this one for uh two reasons i like my hat i like my long hair i'm not sure if everyone does um and i like my new jacket so i want to choose this shirt instead of another one um these are how you make professional choices this is these decisions what do i like it's all about me how is my hair look absolutely i get it oh boy i did not realize it but that's the glacier back there and you can totally see that as well that's amazing i like that i like the steering wheel kind of turn there too any of those subtle little movements and motions yeah they just they help to give it some life you are right i think we're taking this one does daddy okay so this is our whoopsie driving shirt even mean and is that reasoning oops i don't want that sound even mean and is that reason enough reason enough to dream okay so it might not be the driving here but we're just collecting footage now um reason enough reasonable return okay uh question hiking living in event yes please one question that i have for you before we start wrapping things up here but do you when you're building this first version do you when you're not on a live stream do you take some time to like step away from it if you're feeling like okay let me like step back i've built this assembly or i built this first part and then look at it with a fresh set of eyes before deciding okay like this is the clip because i know i'm constantly rethinking you know clips that i initially thought worked and then maybe they didn't if i looked at them two days later that's an interesting question i think um it would help sometimes unfortunately very rarely i do um i like um i think this is this is a tip from from eddie hapoya he like said if you want to edit faster stop looking at your edit and going through it through and through like from the start again and again sometimes that helps but i think um it helps when you run into a problem when you feel like i don't like this but as soon as i get the feeling of um this is fine i can work with this i can refine it later on i just move on so i'm just building this rough cut out and then i will come back to it and work more on it and the reason i do this is i realize that um if i have like those 18 20 minute videos which i do not do that often most of my videos are just like 10 minutes um i realized that when i have all the footage laid out and all the footage used and actually all the parts i was already working with maybe i realized that this part at the very end makes sense at the very beginning or on the different way around but i will never ever get to this point if i do not move on from the point where i see myself maybe conflicting or not totally happy with it does that make sense absolutely yep it absolutely makes sense and maybe we can get into a little bit more of that tomorrow as you're editing because i do want to delve a little bit deeper into that idea of you know done being better than perfect but also putting a lot of time into your craft and there is like this this point where you just have to continue to move on so i was i was really just curious and i appreciate you sharing that with me voytec and um i know we have about a minute left so i'm gonna cut you short um i know we didn't get to do as much editing as you wanted today but thank you for the editing that you have done with us and the conversation that we've had over the last felt like it flew by but two hours about definitely um so i will uh i will end right here um and we'll see you tomorrow voytec for those we will be back tomorrow at 12 p.m pacific time uh and don't forget to stay tuned for the premiere pro daily creative challenge with or yeah creative challenge with shireen immediately following this stream so thank you voytech i will see you tomorrow and thank you for those watching thank you james can't wait until tomorrow take care voytec bye guys [Music] you

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Length: 115min 35sec (6935 seconds)

Published: Mon Dec 13 2021