How many people are of Mongol descent (and don’t know it)? Part 8

well hi everyone you ready for part eight in this ongoing series I think it'll go on for millions of years but the part eight with dr. nathaniel jensen on rewriting history and today well you tell us dr. Jensen what's the topic today today we're gonna ask the question how many people are of Mongol descent and don't know it Mongol Empire being the world's greatest Empire and touched briefly in world history classes if you take the history of Western civilization but then largely ignored and people who don't look east asian with the typical slanted eyes that we say and so forth I've probably never given a second thought and genetics has a lot to say about this in ways we wouldn't have expected it I would have expected well this is really being a mind-blowing series if I can say that as we start to really think through looking at genetics as you've done the Y chromosome differences particularly and showing relationships that I think people are starting to say wow and looking at you know some of the people groups ethnicities we see today and realize they're a recent origin they they just don't go back you know as like we thought they did sort of thousands of years or something like that so this is the new history of the human race and by new history you're not rewriting biblical history or so rewriting people's perception of history particularly in regard to people groups around the world so this is absolutely fascinating and so now we're going to get straight into you and you can go to Answers in Genesis YouTube channel to be able to see all of this series and we'll continue this series in order to the future so we'll have a part nine and a part 10 and part 11 and a part 12 and we'll see how much further we can go on looking at all of this so dr. Jensen over to you for how many of you have mongol descent and don't even know it there we go now technology is cooperating and this again just to put it in a larger context is one of the sub questions and the large one who do we come from and on a personal note having been involved in this directly myself it's given a new perspective on the word foreign and when that word applies and when it doesn't and we're if you're like me you're used to applying things you used to applying the word foreign to anyone who doesn't look like you doesn't talk like you doesn't act like you isn't a resident in the same country as you and to see the genealogical connections among people it demolishes what I've taken for granted and makes me much more hesitant to use the term foreign and we're gonna see that played out again and again even these foreign ancient distant cultures take on a new perspective we're gonna discover that the idea that only modern Egyptians can claim the ancient Egyptians only modern Greeks can claim the ancient Greeks those sorts of ideas take on a totally different perspective when we look at genetics and we see the connections among people I've already mentioned the Mongol Empire here's a picture of it stretching from the Pacific into Eastern Europe greatest extent the world has ever seen massive empire these are massive conquerors 800 years ago again history of Western civilization mentions it because it gets into the West and gets into Europe but then it tends to ignore it and we tend ignore it I don't think about it except as something that's out there the Far East yet we're gonna see this has brought much closer to home and the first episode we looked at the history of world population growth the world is smaller than we think go back 600 years and the world population is 20 times smaller than it is today there's fewer somebody's to come from this is going to force connections we might not expect it we've begun to see the implications of this the ramifications of this in the family tree in the previous episode we've also seen the ramifications of this theoretically if you go back multiply the number of your ancestors as you should to parents for grandparents eight great-grandparents 1632 so forth you'll find out that if a few hundred thousand years ago you're gonna have billions of ancestors that can't possibly be true your parents must be more related to each other than you think I'm much more religious to myself and I think because if my parents relationship which I don't know what it is I know in theory though it must be more close than I'm used to thinking and it may have multiple ethnicities that I've not thought about and your typical family tree DNA one of these other commercial genetic tests can't tell you that only the genetics were uncovering kin and because of the math of human reproduction where one family having four kids won't having to one family having three kids when having one you can dramatically rewrite the ancestry of the people group in short order it's theoretically possible most of Europe of African descent we've seen last time that there's a common ancestor between India South Asia and Europe in the 1500s that we didn't expect to see and today we're gonna try to figure out why that's the case our family tree is shorter than we think much more shallow than we think it's the Y chromosome or in simpler terms it's the male inherited DNA that's the key this is number one because it's inherited only through one parent so you can't dilute the genetic signal through DNA from the other parent and secondly for technical reasons the statistics of it allow us to walk back every generation to the beginning something that's more difficult to do with precision with mitochondrial DNA you can still see that the family tree is short shallow just if 200 generations old or less but you can't get as much detail as you can at the Y chromosome that's how we're focusing on that we've seen that there's lost relatives of Europe we've begun to see that we're gonna see a whole lot more and now we want to know are there people of Mongol descent Mongol ancestry who are roaming the planet don't look Mongol at all and they don't know it we talked about this thousand genomes study it's called a thousand genomes because they they sampled about a thousand of 2000 people around the globe and these 26 populations these major sections of the globe again we look at this and say well there's a lot of the planet that's not covered we found last time but if you look at where the people are concentrated today West Africa Central Africa India Eastern China Europe these populations are they sampled represent the major population centers of the globe so this is a good first past exploration and this is the family tree then that results I've color-coded it I've used these colors because they they follow some of the precedents used in the popular literature and I'm trying to be consistent we looked at this particular branch of the tree we've seen that it was heavily populated with South Asians and Europeans they have a common ancestor in the 1500s these two very different looking people might share a recent common ancestor I say might because the Europeans and South Indians show up in other parts of the tree so it's in a sense of statistical argument that you can only resolve if you get their DNA you get the the DNA of this ladies the South Indians actually choose a Sri Lankan Tamil or Sri Lankan lady if you get her father's D Y chromosome and you get that that this man's Y chromosome DNA you can directly answer that question last time though we raised the issue of why would these two people groups be related so recently in the past eighty 1500 we talked about the presence of the British in India that the stereotype we have is when the British Raj came when the East India Company came to the Indian subcontinent this was a clash of ancient civilizations very different people groups that was unprecedented we've seen genetically these some of these people were actually close relatives it may be tempting to say well couldn't this be an artifact of that are you misinterpreting this may be all you're seeing is the echo of the British Raj in India that it was an ancestral British population they came over to India and they have left now descendants in the Indian subcontinent what I didn't tell you is that this particular branch of the tree represents 25% on average of people in the subcontinent so there's a billion people over a billion people alive today in India 25% of them hundreds of millions of Indian people are on this branch so could it be that the British coming over in 80 1600 occupying territory their ruling were so active and intermarried so much that they could have given rise to 25 percent of the Indian population it's possible you can run the math and see the reproductive rights it's possible I don't think that's the explanation that's the that's the mystery we want to try to solve today what events explain why these two groups why they geographically separated linguistically separated physically different culturally different why might they be so connected what historical events could explain this well to to gain some more clues I want to look at another study so this study that I called the 1000 Genomes project was a narrow section of the world populist narrow in its ethnic sampling there's only 26 populations but it was deep they took about 50 40 to 50 men on average from each of these populations there's another study that came out in 2015 that was more of a wide but shallow study of the world's populations you can see there's many more stars in this graph there's much more of a map that's filled in not so much in the Americas but in Asia in particular there's a whole lot more sampled so this particular study looked at I think it was around a hundred and seventy different groups so instead of 26 it's 170 yet they only took two three four five men on average from these populations so it's a much wider swath of the ethno-linguistic groups on the globe but more shallow you only take a few men from it this is the family tree that results we're gonna look at both a thousand genomes one and this tree and much more death in this episode and as we go on this is it gonna zoomed out view you can see similar structures in these trees that point will become clear as we get into the details again I'm putting Noah about there he could be maybe right there and right there and that may not look much on your screen when we get to the ancient history we'll discuss this in more depth the point being there's a little bit of uncertainty here that affects the dates so these are round numbers again I'm using 1990 as the present date it could be 1950 instead of 2020 because we're looking at the birth years of the participants and the participants are adults there's more colors now it's not just South Asians Europeans Americas East Asians and Africans we've got people from the Middle East the Near East so Iran Iraq there's the Caucasus mountain region I'll point that out in the map shortly there's people from Oceania what I mean here is people from Papua New Guinea that weren't in the previous study there's Siberian populations that we weren't able to see before and Central Asians and I'll talk about what this means geographically in a moment we can find the similar branch that we are talking about up here on the tree again we'll find the same similar South Asian European populations plus more and they'll give us some clues as to the historical explanation for the connections so down here again in gold are the European populations notice there's a Near Eastern middle eastern one here as well here here here those are some of the red ones I'll zoom in here so you can see the specifics in this neon green are the Central Asians many of the stands Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Tajikistan many of the other stones that we don't think about but we're you that used to be part of the USSR they're sort of in between China and an Afghanistan Pakistan these other stands so you can see that the other groups represented some in pink here some of the Siberians ones so let's zoom in and see specifically what I'm talking about here at the top Central Asians when I say Central Asians at some of the former Russian Republic's the stones like Kazakhstan so there's a Kazakhstan II man and here every branch represents a single male there's Iraqi Jews present in red so red cos are Middle Eastern you can see again that the darker green being some of these South Asian populations Bengalis from Bengal who to pradesh orissa these are just sections of India States and India and men from these people groups they're Tajikistan and neon-green Cossacks are an Eastern European group Tajiks and I should say this particular study did a did a much broader sampling of these Eastern European groups that we don't typically talk about a heavy emphasis in Eastern Europe that will become significant momentarily more Tajiks Tajiks el tans are sort of northwest of China they're the Alton mountains Siberian area Kyrgyzstan here you can see Assyrians near the Caucasus region Ashkenazi Jews I've put in gold because they were residing in Europe when they were sampled balkars in Near Eastern group if we go on down there's some more Jews Mumbai Jews there in India though more Tajiks Circassians this is again around that they were sampled around that the Caucasus region these are the mountains think Georgia Armenia sort of if you go north from Iraq I'll show you on the map shortly Tajiks Azerbaijanis Iranians you can see there's a whole sampling of peoples we go down to the gold part Hungarians Cossacks Ukrainians there's a whole bunch of Ukrainians in this group mordvins tatars cossacks there's a whole bunch of people groups that we don't think about in russia minority groups that aren't necessarily ethnically russian there in the western part of russia the part of russia we classify as europe you're gonna see a lot of them here in this in this particular study there's Swedish people Sami czar Scandinavians very North Scandinavia essential Russians Ukrainians Estonians former USSR karelians are more Russians a group in Russia commis are in Russia Bashkirs so forth so that's the individuals who are present a lot of unfamiliar people groups but on the map if we're talking about Europe and South Asia there's a whole bunch here so there's the Ukrainians there's Belarus Estonia Latvia Lithuania are right here the the Sami peoples are up north Scandinavia here I mentioned the Swedes I'm showing here the other populations that we saw in the 1000 Genomes the British the Spanish the Toscani is the Finnish there's a lot of people groups here when I say Russia the the commis karelians there they should they show up in this part of Russia when I said the Caucasus region those are the mountains down here Armenia see if you here's Iraq Iran if you go north or sorry there's a lot of people groups and languages that show up here for reasons that we might discuss them subsequent episodes so last time we said there's a connection between Europe and India and if if you've taken Western civilization the only thing that might come to mind is well there was Age of Exploration various European countries went and tried to colonize the globe the British came to India so isn't that the most natural explanation for why there's this recent connection between the two you might have to fudge about a hundred years or so in the dates but doesn't that make more sense well what we've just seen is on that same branch are a whole bunch of people groups that geographically connect and lie between the two so the Near East and the mist on the Kazakhstan Uzbekistan Tajikistan Kyrgyzstan those all show up right here former USSR and the Altay the Siberian people group is right here so that's when I said Northwest China these are the mountains over here you can see that people on the on the same branches with Europeans and South Asians they're geographically between the two I can't think of any British exploration that goes into the stands Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan Kazakhstan that explains it so that's one of the reasons why I don't think that's the explanation for why Europe and India are genealogically connected before we get into that though let's just stop and reflect we've said the people of India are some of the Lost relatives of Europe so are people in the Near East and in the stands the people you're seeing here on the screen chance of being recent relatives so I think of my relatives in terms of my immediate family I think of Europeans Caucasian looking people like this man over here as likely in the family tree at some point I rarely think of Middle Easterners people from India people from East Asia Central Asia as my relatives yet this is what the tree is saying these are some of the lost relatives of Europe the world is smaller than we think our family trees are more connected than we think racial or ethnic change can happen faster than we think you see how different those people look our family tree is much more shallow than we think those are all the reasons the first six episodes are the reasons why this is possible it's just not something we'd expect so what is the explanation I think there's it there's a fairly plausible explanation I should state here though that this is research in progress these explanations may change in light of the current evidence that we have I think what I'm about to tell you make sense of what we see so just to have that little asterisk this is a can research in progress by the time the book comes out it'll be the state of affairs at that time when I write it here's what I think is the state of affairs right now I want to highlight a geographic component in these branches of the family tree that that has a role to play and how we think about why this came about so I'm highlighting here Europe from the Ural Mountains in Russia all the way over to Iceland I want to break this yellow highlighted section of Europe into two parts east and west I want to call this the eastern part so you've got Russia maybe some of Finland Sweden a lot of the former USSR republics Estonia Latvia Lithuania Ukraine Belarus so forth Poland some of the Balkan Peninsula Czechoslovakia that's it's it's sort of a rough line there I'm gonna call that all that Eastern Europe and then call this other half Western Europe Germany Italy Spain France Portugal UK Norway Iceland why do I break it up this way well this particular the family tree is present in Western Europe British so forth only at 5% if you look at Western Europeans generally only about 5% of them or less on average show up in this particular part of the tree Eastern Europeans the Russians and those minority groups in Russia 35% of full third so there's a pretty strong skewing 7 times more concentrated in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe so 95 percent of Western Europeans are not on this branch a third of Eastern Europeans you'll find them here so if I were to draw this map again with these stars a more realistic picture would be the emphasize excuse me emphasize the Eastern European Park over the Western European Park and a more appropriate picture then to visualize who is related would not be to use a Western European individual at more of an Eastern European individual these people are close relatives is what the family tree says okay well this is interesting Eastern Europe the Mongol Empire stretched from the Pacific and went into Eastern Europe not Western Europe it also reaches down into the Middle East covers Central Asia it connects a lot of these groups that we just discussed doesn't get into India so there's a little question mark we have to add but in terms of explaining the geography of this okay we seem to be along the right track but how do we explain India why is Europe in India connected the Mongol Emperor doesn't seem to explain it if we think about the dates this is the 1200 s when these conquests happen this is several hundred years before 80 1500 so are there any other candidate historical events to explain what we see well one thing I've had to learn because this isn't typically taught in history of Western civilization is that after the Mongol Empire it's split up into several four major khanates there's a there's a con 8 then here in the Middle East there's one in Central Asia there's one in East Asia China and so forth and then one that sits around here in Europe that's the one I want to emphasize it's also known as the Golden Horde the Golden Horde doesn't just reach into Eastern Europe conquered and then go away they're hanging out here and ruling for 200 years so that the major mongol empire think of it as stopping made around 1300 for 200 years the golden horde there is present these Central Asians East Asians the Mongolians are present here in Eastern Europe then what well what's the origin of modern Russia I'm going to show you here there's a lot of colors on the screen I want to emphasize the green aspect with some dates this is showing you the progress of Russian expansion primarily post 1500 that gave rise to the Russian state as we're used to thinking about it today and the various shades of green represents stages of the expansion let me give you the dates for this so the earliest parts here are dark green around Moscow what we know as modern Moscow by 1505 the Russians were beginning to push out the golden horde push out these Mongolians and and conquer territory that would become modern Russia by 1505 they'd reached that extent right here that border by 1592 they'd reached that border by the 1600 they had gone all the way into Siberia and then these other colors represent other stages of their expansion what I want you to see though at the beginning of the Russian expansion has a strong correlation with the date that I've just given for the branching points of this tree at 1500 is when you see the European bloc begin to emerge and separate from the India bloc well that's the European side of the equation what about India if we think of the present state of India and go backwards in time so India is an independent country to achieve its independence from the British Raj in the the mid 1900s well what happened to the British before the British Raj when the British the East India Company landed on the Indian shores who did they encounter well the Empire that was ruling India at that time was the Mughal Empire what's the Mughal Empire it's a word that's derived from the Persian word Mughal the Persian word Mughal is the Persian word for Bongo and the reason it's called a Mongol Empire is because the Mughal Empire was started by Mongols who came down from the north guess when the 1500s started in the early 1500s came in when out came back how interesting that the Mongols are being pushed out of Russia and into India right around this time so how do we make sense of this map I think we've got a plausible explanation known historical events not events typically covered in the history of Western civilization but ones that are documented in the 1200s you've got a group of Mongol conquerors who decide to go in the in an expansion a conquest that's the greatest the world has ever seen eventually stretching their empire from the Pacific all the way over into Eastern Europe well in short order this Empire breaks up into its component parts ruled by Mongolians there's a there's a chunk here in gold that camps out in Eastern Europe for 200 years 1,300 to 1,500 intermixing surely happens multiplication of people it surely happens we know that the world population growth curve begins to shoot upwards in the 1500s well by that point the Russians decide they've had enough and begin to push out the Mongolians around 1500 and expand eastward presumably some of these Mongolians had descendants to intermix some decided to leave Russians of course eventually expanded the Kazakhstan and Tajikistan's and the stones up there some of these folks probably take up residence there as well who are leaving the Russian expansion some NTM end up in the Middle East and of course around about that same time Mongols come down into India and form the Mughal Empire which is the Empire that's ruling when the British arrive there's the extent of that and intermix with the population eventually giving rise to 25% of the Indian population today which is extremely plausible episode 4 covers how slight differences in reproductive rights from a small starting population can lead to dominance or a significant presence in the population today so those events I think are a plausible explanation for the relationships we see among these people's today so how many people are of Mongol sent what I'm saying is that branch of the family tree looks like it's the result of the Mongol expansion and the Mongols have left a genetic a genealogical footprint in Eastern Europe in the Middle East in Central Asia and in India in ways we never would have expected today the politics change and we naturally assume the people's change them as well that there's no relationship among them well because the world is smaller than we think our genealogical trees are more connected than we think and for all the reasons we've discussed in previous episodes that doesn't play out that way only the family can tree can tell us how things have played out and all these various people's look like they are of Mongol descent we're just scratching the surface in terms of the relationships among people's around the globe we've looked at just one branch lost relatives of Europe and lost connections among big swathes of Asia and Europe in ways we might have never expected this is the new history of the human race because this is data this is genetic insights we've not had before and we've and and you won't have anywhere but here so dr. Jensen as we look at this I mean I'm Australian right and of course we have an indigenous people called the Australian Aboriginals has any genetic work being done to trace their ancestry and when they may have come to Australia and is that in any future episodes yes what we're gonna discuss and next week is the history of Western Europe so we can see here that the connection between Europe and India is heavily concentrated in Eastern Europe we're gonna look at Western Europe so you and I we're gonna discuss next time how much of the Americas Australia basically we think of us having a Western European heritage what does that mean who - Western Europeans come from and is it even right to talk about the Americas as being of Western European descent who came after Columbus so we'll focus on that in subsequent episodes this will naturally tend to for reasons we'll discover the pre-columbian history of the Americas which raises the question of what does it mean to be indigenous and then after that is when we're going to get into the question of what does it mean to be indigenous how do we answer that question around the globe what about indigenous Australia Papua New Guinea China Africa especially sub-saharan Africa are there any indigenous Europeans when we talk about Europeans we're talking about a geographic entity but when we talk about genetic heritage genealogical heritage can we even answer that question so we're gonna we're gonna hit all of those regions of the globe as we go forward and move from the present era backwards in time to the beginning you know I was thinking you know when people look at what you're saying and they say well wait a minute could could you really have people in someone's ancestry that looks seems to on the outside look so different from them although the differences aren't that marked the major anyway difference is really quite minor did you know my my wife many people probably don't know this but her great-grandfather was Chinese and you would never know that looking at her that her great-grandfather was Chinese came from Cantona and China and so for my wife on her father's side it's Chinese on her mother's side it's German I know my side is English and Irish so in our children it's really not that far back in their ancestry they have you know a great-great-grandfather that's Chinese and yet you would never know it looking at them or a grandchildren so those differences that we see are really minor differences but they they can happen very quickly yes and in Episode three when we talked about these changes we focused heavily just on one aspect of the the physical differences that we tend to notice namely skin tone well there's a whole slew of features especially in the face that our brains recognize we're forming mental patterns constantly the people we encounter and there's a whole slew of characteristics that go into what we call race or ethnicity and I've begun to notice and and begin to look for some of these signatures we haven't paid attention to do so take an example Melania Trump look at the shape of her eyes and she's you could call Eastern European Balkan Peninsula Yugoslavia that sort of area and if you look at the eye shape of many people in Eastern Europe I'm beginning to notice things that might in fact be the echoes of the Mongol interaction they have light-skinned Mongols were a small people group that came into a European population size that was likely much larger so you wouldn't expect the minority group to then in terms of physical characteristics take over the majority group but you might expect to see certain aspects still persist maybe I shape but with the European skin tone it's it's a mosaic that results and seeing these genetic data and having them in hand now for several months to a year or two has changed how I look at even various European subgroups European geography people from various European geographies and say I don't think that feature of yours comes from where you think it is and it's these sorts of genetic connections that have made me look at humanity in a whole new way I'm amazed that you know you have a PhD from Harvard University in biology he works more than biology but that's basically your PhD correct yes and yet you've learned all this information about history so you had to study history to be able to even work this in with your genetics research yes when I when I began to see the connections among these peoples and and part of the reason I said this can't possibly be true is because my history is basically a time I took a class was high school world history which is essentially history of Western civilization so I've had to do massive remedial education and saying okay what is known from historical documents archaeology about the sequence of events in China in India and Papua New Guinea and discover how much has been documented in some of these places and how much still is unknown about let's say pre-colonial Australia pre-colonial Papua New Guinea the Pacific sub-saharan Africa so forth so it's it's been a fantastic learning experience fun because I have this goal in mind of we've got these branches why in the world these people connected and so many times and I should say I began this process thinking while we're really rewriting history and I've had to back off some of that and say no it's actually all there all the stuff that the history books talk about is there the echoes are there if you know what you're looking for and this to me is a testament to the power of the young Earth's timescale you you see these events the dates I'm giving are only manifest their only calculable if you have a forty five hundred year framework those points on the tree get totally different dates and outside the realm of history civilization if you view it through an evolutionary lens of two hundred thousand years they don't see these effects of history and so the fact that we can see these events of history echoed in our DNA that it makes sense is itself a testament that this is real history this is a real time scale this is a superior way of looking at the world this type of information you don't get to the commercial testing genetic companies because they're adopting the mainstream timescale and they therefore cannot tell you you're gonna bump back that eighty fifteen hundred date that branch who knows into the four thousands ten thousands it's somewhere back in the distant past that has very little relationship to anything we call history so what we're seeing is only possible because we have the biblical framework through which to interpret the data and then when we line it up with history even evolutionists would accept no one no evolutionists would deny the Russian expansion the 1500s the Mongol the Mughal Empire India this is all stuff they'd say yeah that was true and then when I say look here it isn't genetics wait what this is the sort of thing that should not be true if evolution is true and it's a strong confirmation of the reliability of the biblical history and especially at the time scale you know if I can just add something here I think is just a good teaching point in regard to the Ministry of Answers in Genesis when you walk into the Creation Museum and through the main exhibits as you start there we have what's called the starting points room to show people look everybody in this world has the same evidence in the present but if your starting point is God's Word then you have a particular framework a particular worldview that comes out of that which you use to look at the evidence interpret the elements but if you start with an evolutionary view of history and reject God's Word you've got a whole different worldview and if people don't have the right foundation and therefore the right worldview they won't interpret this evidence correctly so the evidence is all there but the trouble is people being taught in their schools and universities from an evolutionary foundational perspective which has a different worldview so they're interpreting this evidence incorrectly when you look at it through the right lens the lens of Scripture it all makes sense and then the thing is observational science of genetics is confirming that biblical history it's not confirming the evolutionary one and you know that's what that's what's amazing to me when when people see this when non-christians when evolutionists see what you're saying and see that it's the biblical framework that explains the genetics that you see there it all fits together I mean what are they doing what are they saying largely ignoring it which is that simple evolution response I don't think they're prepared for it and in terms of the larger creation/evolution debate you look at what happened in 1972 Terry Morris and Duane Gish the evolutionists admit we were basically caught off guard we weren't expecting people to give scientific arguments they were expecting Bible basically you're gonna quote the Bible use Bible verses and we're gonna have the signs over here and then see you don't know what you're talking about when they came and said no look look at the fossil record look at these geologic layers look at the genetics which is what we can talk about more now and didn't they didn't have access to you back then nineteen seventies they say we were caught off guard and so you see a lot of court cases the 1980s because they finally said let's get organized this is a different type of opponent that we have to deal with and then they wanted a number of court cases in which their major argument was all you guys do is criticize evolution you don't give anything positive well what we're doing right here is rendering that legal argument null and void the stuff that's in the books and say this is this is why you cannot teach creation in schools this is why it's just religion all of that is completely useless and irrelevant and there I think we're gonna catch them off guard again because this this is positive here's what we're doing we're making testable predictions that we can go out and confirm in the natural world this is advancing understanding or breaking new ground that no one else has gone before people have not gone this way before they've not seen these echoes before and I don't think any of them are prepared for wait what roles are gonna reverse for years creationists have been saying here's what's wrong with evolution they're if we should trust creation they're gonna have to now say well here's there have to nitpick what we're saying and they're gonna be stuck in the defensive end of the end of the game we're gonna be on the offensive and I don't think they're prepared for that you know the same sort of thing is happening in the climate change debate because I hear the secularists out there claiming oh you Christians your climate change denier you creationist your climate change deniers when a climate change deniers but we have a different framework if you start from a biblical framework and the flood caused massive climate change and then there's been climate change ever since the flood and also to know that when you're looking at interpreting evidence in the present relation to the past or predicting models for the future there are assumptions and if you've got the wrong assumptions around foundation of the wrong interpretation hey the same applies to this coronavirus situation there's been many many models predicting things that haven't worked out and they're conflicting models and what why is that because anytime you're you're developing models like that you have certain assumptions if your assumptions are wrong your models gonna be wrong we need to be asking what the assumptions are and yet I hear I hear people saying are you gonna listen to the science so of all of this but even the science in regard to the coronavirus well you know what they saying is science can be based on assumptions which can give role models and predict your own things is that correct yeah if I can state it even more provocatively perhaps than what I'm used to stating it as and that the climate change is a very apropos comparison here because what have we heard from the other side well there's this hockey stick shape and if you deny the hockey stick shape of changes in global temperature or whatever it is you're a denier well here we have a hockey stick shape for human population growth we see the echo and genetics when we view it to the lungs at 4,500 years if people didn't reject it who's this who's the science denier now it's it's a really crazy reversal of roles where the PlayBook is almost the same transposing out to the genetic side but with roles reversed and I'm very curious to see how they react to a parallel situation in which I could just as easily use all the phrases criticisms and everything else they've been using against us I want to see how they respond to that if they now reject all the arguments they've been using and calling us deniers and so forth or what sort of tactic they employ and you know a lot of this comes down to what I did at the Bill Nye debate with Bill Nye the first thing I did was define science the different we know observational science which you directly observe and historical science your beliefs about the past in particular that determine how you interpret the evidence of the present creation scientists like yourself understand the difference in observational and historical science whereas I find the ceteris don't want to admit that at all they deny it and so therefore they they will don't want to understand or will not understand or reject the interpretation that you have and yet what you see in genetics is it's directly with that biblical history well look forward to posture Noah and Paxton well what are we doing in part 9 and part a we're gonna ask the question part 9 who settled the Americas after Columbus well I mentioned about history of Western Europe we're gonna we're gonna revisit some of the things we've taken for granted about what it means to be a Western European descent what it means to be an American and European descent some United States 70% still identifies this Caucasian well what does that mean genetically historically who did who did we come from so we'll do that in episode 9 begin to look at some of the genetic data and then explore historical scenarios and I don't want to give away too much here because there's some mysteries that we're gonna have to solve again really shocking crazy things that no one would have thought that caste how we think about ourselves and who we came from in a dramatically new light ok well we look forward to part 9 and part 10 and for those who want to view all the parts in the series they can go to the Answers in Genesis youtube channel we have a playlist there and you'll be able to go back and watch them all again and really looking forward to the book coming out in 2021 thanks dr. Jensen and we look forward to seeing you next week for fast 9 and positive thank you

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Published: Sun Apr 19 2020