Right now.
Those other matters have been delayed for various reasons.
The big item is in Washington, D.C. and Atlanta, where they're waiting to
see what the Supreme Court does with the immunity argument that Trump set forth.
So I think that one really hinges on the immunity.
But I think it does cast a whole different pail on these other cases,
which most people have said are probably more serious in some ways.
I would agree with that. But it certainly puts the pressure to
get those cases moving and get them into court and tried.
What does an appeal court look like? I think we even if we didn't have TV
cameras there, we had the great artist sketches.
And I think we know what Nick, Paul Drake.
Perry Mason. I got a dunk gold.
But Nick, what does an appeal court actually look like?
What you're saying an appeals court to appeal this conviction?
Yes. What does the actual physical what do
you do with an appeals court? Well, what you do is you go up to
there's two podiums, one for the person who's appealing and the other for the
person who's opposing the appeal. In this case, it'll be on the
prosecution opposing the appeal, and it will be Trump making the appeal.
And you've got in this case, in the first department, there'll be five
judges that will hear that appeal. And so the only argument they really
have is to try and somehow dredge out arguments based on the law to appeal
this conviction, because essentially, once you have a jury verdict and they've
decided on the credibility of the witnesses and the facts, there's not
much to appeal after that. And I don't think there's much to appeal
either on the legal portion of this. So I don't think this appeal is going to
go very far for Donald Trump. All right, Nick, then let's turn to the
sentencing aspect of this case, July 11th.
What are the scenarios? What are the most likely sentencing
scenarios, Nick? Well, before January 11th, there's going
to be a couple of reports that you're going to see.
I guess we won't see them until the time of sentencing.
But on probation, does a report that's provided to the court, both sides
provide sentencing memoranda to the court.
The question, of course, is whether or not the DA's office ask for jail time.
And if they do, whether or not Judge Murchan will provide jail time.
My opinion is that based on at least the fact that Michael Collins served three
years for these violations and that Allen Weisselberg, the CFO of Trump
work, who was instrumental in setting up the phony
corporate records on this and the payments that went out to reimburse
Michael Cohen. He's already served three months in
Rikers Island for for, you know, unrelated matters, and now he's serving
three months, another three months in Rikers Island for lying.
And it's pretty clear that he has not cooperated against Donald Trump.
And I think the judge is going to have to consider that.
Here are two people that were instrumental in this crime that did
serve jail time. And I find it hard to believe that he is
not going to feel compelled to give Donald Trump at least some jail time.
Wow. In what way?
I mean, you know, I wish I could stop the clock here in the show.
Nick Herman, I can't. I mean, what is it, weekend jail time?
I mean, is it something creative and different or is it.
Are you telling me the former president of the United States could enjoy a month
at Rikers Island? Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I think what they'd have to do is create a presidential suite at Rikers
Island because the Secret Service has to be there with him, obviously.
But I think there is a very strong likelihood that he is going to be
sentenced to imprisonment.
