AMERICANS SAY TRUMP SHOULD END HIS CAMPAIGN BECAUSE OF THAT VERDICT. 37% SAY HE SHOULD NOT. TIM MILLER IS BACK WITH ME. ALSO JOINING US, NBC'S DASHA BURNS. TALK TO ME ABOUT TRUMP'S COMMENTS OVER THE WEEKEND. IT WAS A LONG INTERVIEW. >> VERY LONG INTERVIEW, 90-SOME MINUTES. THERE ARE THESE TWO PARALLEL TRACKS. THE LEGAL PIECE OF IT, THAT PROCESS THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A SERIOUS THREAT TO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND THEN THERE'S THE POLITICAL TRACK. THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE AS MUCH ADVANTAGE AS THEY CAN OF ACTUALLY THAT POSSIBILITY OF JAIL TIME. THOUGH IF YOU TALK TO LAWYERS, THEY SAY THAT'S VERY UNLIKELY. HE'S OUT THERE FUND-RAISING KNOWS, TEXT MESSAGES, SOCIAL MEDIA, CALLING HIMSELF A POLITICAL PRISONER. HE SENT A FUND-RAISING EMAIL EARLIER TODAY SAYING THEY WANT TO PUT ME IN PRISON FOR 187 YEARS WHICH, OF COURSE, EVEN IF HE WERE TO GO TO JAIL, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE. CALLING FOR UNPRECEDENTED RESPONSE FROM HIS SUPPORTERS OUT OF THIS VERDICT. THEY'RE USING THAT TO AGAIN RALLY THE BASE AND FUNDRAISE. HE'S ALREADY RAISED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF THIS. >> YEAH. THEY SAY IT WAS A RECORD COUPLE OF DAYS OR 24 HOURS. >> WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CHECK THAT UNTIL WE SEE THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. >> TIM, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE NEW POLL FROM ABC. TELL ME WHY YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD? >> SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. I'M IN NEVER LAND OR SOMETHING WHERE -- I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EVIDENCE THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR HIM. IT'S ONLY DRUM THAT GETS THIS TREATMENT WHERE PUNDITS GO OUT AND SAY, MAYBE IT WILL BE GOOD FOR HIM THAT HE HAS 34 FELONY COUNTS, THAT HE MIGHT GO TO JAIL, MIGHT HAVE AN ANKLE BRACELET ON WHEN HE GETS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION. IT'S HARD TO GO BACK TO 2016 AND THINK OF A PUNDIT GOING BACK, MAN, IF HILLARY GOES TO JAIL FOR THESE EMAILS, THAT MIGHT BE A BOOST TO HER CAMPAIGN. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PREPOSTEROUS THING TO SAY. COLOR ME SKEPTICAL. I THINK THERE IS SOME FUND-RAISING BENEFIT. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M STILL SKEPTICAL THERE'S A POLITICAL BENEFIT. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT EARLY POLLS. A LOT CAN HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN PEOPLE GET THEIR BALLOTS. 52% OF INDEPENDENTS BELIEVE THE JURY REACHED THE RIGHT VERDICT AND THINK IT SHOULD END HIS CAMPAIGN. THOSE DOUBLE HATERS, THE FOLKS THAT DON'T LIKE TRUMP OR BIDEN, 65% SAY THE VERDICT WAS CORRECT. 67% SAY IT SHOULD END TRUMP'S BID FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. TELL US HOW YOU READ THAT POLL. >> THOSE ARE THE CRUCIAL VOTERS, THE DOUBLE HATERS. THEY COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE LIBERAL AND UNHAPPY WITH BIDEN AND INFLATION OR GAZA. AND SOME THAT ARE FORMER REPUBLICAN-TYPE VOTERS. SO I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE IS SUCH AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE AMONG THAT GROUP, TWO-THIRDS THAT THOUGHT THE VERDICT WAS CORRECT. I THINK IT'S VERY TELLING AND VERY IMPORTANT. IF YOU LOOK AT 2016 AND 2020, THE DOUBLE HATERS, THEY BROKE LATE FOR TRUMP IN 2016. THEY BROKE LATE FOR BIDEN -- THEY DIDN'T BREAK LATE FOR BIDEN, BUT STUCK WITH BIDEN LATE IN 2020. THAT WAS THE KEY DIFFERENCE. I'LL GO BACK TO THE POLITICAL ELEMENT OF THIS. IT DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE THIS TRIAL WILL HAVE AT LEAST SOME EFFECT. HOW LONG WILL IT STAY? THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE DEBATES AHEAD. I DON'T KNOW IT'S PRESCRIPTIVE OF WHAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER. I THINK IT SHOWS IT'S NOT A WINNER FOR TRUMP. >> IN THE SAME INTERVIEW TRUMP TALKED ABOUT THIS NOW FAMILIAR PHRASE FROM 2016 CAMPAIGN REFERRING TO HILLARY CLINTON AND DENIED SOMETHING WE ALL KNOW HAPPENED. LET ME PLAY THAT FROM THE INTERVIEW. >> HILLARY CLINTON, I DIDN'T SAY LOCK HER UP. THE PEOPLE SAY LOCK HER UP, LOCK HER UP. I SAID PRETTY OPENLY, I SAY COME ON, JUST RELAX. >> I DIDN'T SAP LOCK HER UP. REMIND US WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. >> NOT QUITE TRUE. QUICKLY TO TIM'S POINT, I'M JUST A JOURNALIST OUT THERE WATCHING AND LISTENING AND TRYING TO -- >> TALKING TO VOTERS. >> TALKING TO VOTERS. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE GOOD FOR HIM OR NOT. WATCHING THEIR STRATEGY RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE VERY MUCH LEANING INTO THIS IDEA OF HIM AS A POLITICAL PRISONER, AS A VICTIM OF THIS SYSTEM THEY CLEARLY THINK CAN GAIN SOME SORT OF ADVANTAGE. IN THE CONTEXT OF TALKING ABOUT TRUMP AND JAIL TIME HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON. HE ABSOLUTELY SAID LOCK HER UP. LET'S JUST GO BACK TO THE TAPE. >> LOCK HER UP. LOCK HER UP. LOCK HER UP. >> FOR WHAT SHE'S DONE, THEY SHOULD LOCK HER UP. IT'S DISGRACEFUL. >> SO CROOKED HILLARY -- WAIT. YOU SHOULD LOCK HER UP, I'LL TELL YOU. >> LOCK UP THE BIDENS, LOCK UP HILLARY. >> IN THE INTERVIEW, HE ALSO SAID THAT HE COULD HAVE LOCKED HER UP, BUT HE DECIDED NOT TO BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE THING
