Hoarders: Carol's Hoarding is Affecting Her Marriage - Full Episode (S3, E13) | A&E

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It's a nightmare. I'll take care of this. My dad is a difficult person. Move away and abide by me. God bless you all. You light up my life. This is one of the worst hoarding situations I've ever seen. Just destroying me inside. [shouts angrily] America. There's nothing good except for those papers. It looks like a dump to me. I don't want to eat feces. She is really lost inside her own head. I want you with me when you're looking through my stuff. I never took nothing of yours. It's all my fault. [music playing] My name is Lloyd, and I have become a hoarder in my lifetime. Arch lamp for a Friday patio party. I was told that-- depression by my mother. Don't put anything on your plate you're not going to eat. Don't waste anything. And I guess it's security always. You don't need it, but you save it. Wherever there was a disposal or a dump thing, if I was going by with my pick up or my truck, I'd go out and pick up a few things and then come home and stash it here-- stash it or sort it out later. This is a recycle pile where I bring in stuff and aluminum and pots and pans. I never got to sorting it out. I just kept adding to it and the pile just accumulated. No answer for it. Just the hoarding experience that transpired into a big problem. I look back now, and it was just unbelievable. Some of the local citizens must have really put a focus on "Get that mad Lloyd with a junkyard. We're going to get rid of his ass. He don't belong here." My name is Kaye, and Lloyd is my father. The impact of the cleanup on my father was huge. I can't picture people coming in and telling me what to do. I don't go to their properties and tell them what to do. I believe it didn't want to make him poured more and get more because everything was taken away from him. LLOYD: I just let it float along. Of course, they like that, and they just come back. It's too late, Lloyd. Now it's $100,000. It's a nightmare. My father's responsible for the $100,000 lien that's on his property. It is critical that his property is cleaned up. If he doesn't get this done, he will lose it. They will not come in and do another cleanup. Down the hill we've gone in physically, financially. And it just all sort of squeezes me into the hole. My name is Kathleen, and I'm Lloyd's youngest daughter. It's been about 30 years since I was actually at my dad's property, and it's been seven years since I saw my dad. My dad is a difficult person. He has had obsessive behaviors, and his alcoholism was probably the biggest thing that did the most damage to our family. KAYE: My dad originally was an insurance salesman. And he was pretty successful at that, but then the stress became too much for him. He started drinking and then the violence kind of started at home. And then when I was about 12, my parents got divorced because it got really bad. My name is Jessie. Lloyd is my grandfather, and Kaye is my mother. What my grandpa did, get angry, and there'd be these big blow outs and stuff like that. So very abusive. Very abusive alcoholic. Very mean. He's always been a bit of a jerk and very antagonistic, very irritating. He's been a dry drunk now, you know. That's almost worse than having a drunk. I don't know what the hell is really going on. With his outbursts of anxiety, he kind of drive people away. Oh, my god. When did this happen? So that's when we just stopped going to see him. Maybe he did all the hoarding to just replace the family because the family was not coming out to see him anymore. We spoke on the phone, but that was the extent of it. Now I said, why aren't we closer? He is a difficult person. He is our Father, and I think that we do have some obligation and some responsibility to do the best we can with what he will allow us to do. What's happening now is a gross violation of my privacy. But it's a legally bound trip that can be made regardless of what I feel or think. Everything here is scheduled for removal by tomorrow morning. I believe that the cleanup is going to be very difficult. He's extremely stubborn, and I think he is going to become very angry and very upset. It's going to be a battle. Definitely, it'd be a battle with him. I'm afraid if we can't get him to release the trash, the vehicles, that the property is going to be taken from him, and he's not going to have a place to stay. He will be a homeless man on the streets. My name is Carol, and I'm 50, and I'm a homemaker. I've been hoarding a lot of my children's pictures, drawings, and keepsakes, thousands and thousands of papers to social services and the disability people but mostly hospitals and medical records and bills. My name's Kelvin. I'm 53 years old, and Carol's my wife. It looks like a dump to me. I mean, it just looks like she throws her trash just everywhere. Boxes all the way to the ceiling, and they're not stacked. They're just leaning to one side, and papers falling out of the boxes. I'm afraid to lie in bed because I feel like something's going to avalanche on me. I've seen mice feces around the stove. I don't want to eat feces. I asked her, don't you care how I feel? Don't you want to see me happy? She can't budge an inch for me. It's been like this for the last 22 years. It's depressing to be in that situation where it's just garbage everywhere. It just depresses me totally. I've left the home. I just-- I gave her an ultimatum. You want your box dessert or do you want me? I'm Rachel, I'm 19, and Carol is my mother. My mom called me a lot and say, you need to call your dad, and you need to make him come home. And she went through a lot of mental anguish there, and it was really hard for me to hear. I couldn't blame him for not going back because I wouldn't want to go back either. My name is Sabrina, I'm 27, and Carol is my mom. I don't want him to not be there for her, but at the same time, I can't-- I think I can't expect him to want to stay there when it's so dirty. My family, when I was a child, were very angry all the time because we had broken marriages. We had 11 kids from six different parents. My brothers and sisters were extremely abusive to me. They told me that my dad didn't love me. So it made me think my father wouldn't protect me, and that I couldn't be with my mother, and she couldn't protect me either. KELVIN: The way she was raised, she had bad things happen, and the hoarding was a way of her dealing with the pain of the past. I wanted to feel loved and protected. And so I collected all the stuff that made me happy. My mom's biggest excuse for all her papers will be the lawsuits that she's in. I went to a theme park the first day we moved here and hurt myself really bad. And then a year later, my daughter took me to another theme park. I got injured on the ride there too. So that took me four years to do the paperwork and get lawyers to help me. It's trash. In the long run, she'll be living in a house full of garbage all alone. Nobody will be there for her, and it's pretty sad. I have taken him out places, and I see that the trash cans almost call him. Anything he can find that is somewhat useful, functional, he pulls it out and puts it in his bag. He has no control over his hoarding issues. Hi, Lloyd. Hi. Liz Moore. Very nice to meet you. Hi. You are? KAYE: Kaye. Kaye, nice to meet you. KATHLEEN: Kathleen. You must be Kathleen. Very nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. - I'm Dr. Liz Moore. I'm a clinical psychologist specializing in anxiety and hoarding. Lloyd, did you mind showing us around a little bit? - Yeah. - All right. Let's check on the front door and see if it's still there. OK. [chuckles] The magnitude of this hoard is enormous. This is one of the worst hoarding situations I've ever seen. His property, his home, has been taken over literally by clutter. It's pretty astonishing. So Lloyd, when's the last time you were able to get in the house? Oh, a few months ago. I guess about six months or so, maybe a year. He doesn't seem to be too concerned about the situation. I would hope he would be more concerned about it. It is a big deal to not be able to get into your house and to have 2 and 1/2 acres full of junk. So it's pretty packed full of stuff? Oh, very. For the past several years, Lloyd's family hasn't been much involved in his life. Kaye has stuck with him and has tried to help clean up his property. Kathleen hasn't actually seen the property for about 30 years. Kathleen, how are you doing with all this? It's worse than the pictures I've seen of it. You don't get the smells from the pictures. Yeah, it's overwhelming. Yeah. She had very much distanced herself from this situation and has just come back into the picture in the interest of helping to dig him out of his clutter and to put him in a safer environment. Now, is this where you've been staying, Lloyd? Right up on the top corner I just have a bunk there and a pad with blanket. So you sleep in here sometimes? Oh, yeah. I sleep very comfortably in there. Hoarding has compromised Lloyd's physical well-being and his mental well-being. There's no place for him to be really comfortable and safe in his own home. He ends up having to sleep in a trailer which really isn't fit for human habitation. Oh, I can't help but notice it's like 100 degrees out right now. How is it that you stay cool? Tonight, I just go in the nighttime and go in and open the windows. LIZ MOORE: Yeah. Stay cool. Must be pretty hot in there. Is there a bathroom here? That one is not available-- accessible. Lloyd, do you think this is any way for someone to live? Here, it gets well over a hundred very often, and it's really unsafe for Lloyd to be sleeping in that trailer with no ventilation, no air conditioning, no electricity. It's really not safe. We need to get him out of there. I wouldn't mind moving back in if I know for a fact it's going to be in a clean house. But I've been living in it for so long that it just doesn't seem like it's possible. [knocks] Hi, Carol. I'm Dr. Charlene Miller. How are you? - Hi. Nice to meet you. Good to meet you too. I'm Dr. Charlene Underhill Miller, and I specialize in the treatment of trauma. So Carol, how do you think you'd like this room to feel? My biggest dream is to sit together as a family and eat dinner. Yeah. Carol is definitely an isolated woman. She's lonely. At this point, her husband's left. She has one daughter who has a family of her own, and her other daughter is threatening not to come back at all from college. OK, so this looks like the kitchen, Carol. Are you able to cook your meals in here? I usually have to eat out because there's stuff all in front of the stove. One, because I have really bad health problems in my legs and back. Realistically, a lot of her injuries and her physical impairment do keep her immobilized and stuck. However, that really aids in about three emotional paralysis stuckness. It Is very difficult to have your family blame you for a lot of things that you have to collect and do business and write letters. So this hinders me from going forward. She's blaming her mass on the fact that she has to save these lawsuits so that she can resolve some of the paperwork. Carol suffered a lifetime of loss and trauma, and the lawsuits that she has hoarded really represent her being a victim and feeling like a victim. I'll have to wait and see what happens. I think she might have a breakdown of some sort because this is her work, her life's work. And if it's taken away, it'll feel like she's lost everything. In this kind of situation, Adult Protective Services is really needed because we can't just leave Lloyd there. If he decides he doesn't want to throw anything out, we can't leave him there. It's just not safe. And so getting a government agency involved allows us to take the measures needed to ensure that he is safe. They can check in on him in the future and make sure that he's getting the treatment and the support that he needs. CORY CHALMERS: Good morning, everybody. ALL: Good morning. CORY CHALMERS: We are here to help Lloyd through what is a pretty serious crisis situation. My name is Cory Chalmers. I'm a hoarding cleanup specialist. Lloyd suffers from severe hoarding. I would say, in the 15 years that I've been doing this, this is one of the worst cases that I have ever seen. On a scale of 1 to 5, he's definitely a level 5. We've got to let go of a lot of this stuff. Your family's here today. They're going to help us through it. OK, are you ready for this? No, but it's here, and I have to accept. Lloyd has 2 and 1/2 acres of property. I would say about 50% to 75% of it is completely full. I would estimate about 200,000 pounds of waste is sitting on his land right now. The majority of the stuff, you need to understand, is going to go away today, OK? So you guys all ready to do this? All right, let's get started. Oh, I'd like the cord. I want to keep that in the house. Oh, no, dad. It is all cut up. It's not going to work. KATHLEEN: It's dangerous. KAYE: Yeah. It could start a fire. LLOYD: I don't want to be in this. - No, no, dad. - I can't. I can't. - Yeah. Yeah. Come on, you can. You guys can, but I can't. No, you got it. You got it. Come on. Let's go. Say, no way. This is horrible. I refuse. Hey, no. Dad. Dad. - No, no, no, no, no. Dad. JESSIE: My grandpa just wanted to leave and come back and watch it be gone, and that's not taking responsibility for his actions. He needs to own what he did here and be a part of it. I can't let you leave the trash on the ground. Let's go pick it up. Oh, I don't want it on the ground either. Get it out of here. Well, you got to help me. No, no, no. I don't want to see it. - Come on. - I don't want to see it. We're trying to keep him involved. Let him own up to this. You know, this is your mess you created. You need to be a part of the cleanup. And it's actually part of the therapy too. So we're struggling right now. What do you think? Are you going to do this? Just destroying me inside. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Dad, dad, dad. Let me just say what the hell is going on because you don't know that you're putting out. Oh, God. This is precious stuff that I wanted to save. - No, it's not. - Copper. It's not. Dad, that's metal. You think there's anything else that's trash if you clean up? How about [inaudible]? No, I want to get you into the house. You need to get back in. I'll take care of this. Dad, no. You've told me that for quite a while. It hasn't happened. I've got to do it. There's no options. Do you want me to help? I'm here helping. I'm getting you in your house. If I've known you were going to do that, I wouldn't have been on this today. Lloyd's insight is limited, and it kind of changes one minute to the next. So sometimes the government's the enemy, sometimes Kaye's the enemy, sometimes we're the enemy. [bleep] Damn it. I did not know you were trespassing this. I did not know it. Oh, OK. Calm down. I'm trying to help you. You calm down and move away and abide by me. Give your father the request he gave you. I'm sorry. OK. Look, Lloyd, let's just take a break. He's been pretty erratic emotionally, cognitively where his mood shifts really quickly, where it's tough to tell if he's really understanding what's going on, if he can remember what's been told to him. I didn't think they'd get into that because I was going to do the house. Well, I didn't know it was going to go out here on this right. I never would've let it happen. But to compound things, I think his advancing age and the dementia are playing a role in what we're seeing this afternoon. I don't care what you've been telling me. I'll tell you where I'm at, what my attitude is, and what my wishes are. You can respect them or tell me to go to hell. I'm only going to do what you will let us do, and I'm going to do what saves your house. If you want us to leave, then we'll walk away and you'll lose everything. That's the reality of this. I understand he has his issues both medical and psychological, so I'm trying to work through him with it. It's hard, Lloyd. I know. No, it's not hard. It's terrible. It's unreasonable and insane. What I did to collect this is a tragic [inaudible].. And indiscriminate [bleep] everything. CORY CHALMERS: It is very frustrating trying to get him on board with what our plan is. it's really hard working with him today. So let's just clear this [bleep] out. Just get Lloyd out of here. It's amen. Goodbye, Lloyd. Get the [bleep] out of here, Lloyd. You don't belong on this earth anymore, Lloyd. This is crazy. It's insane. The worst thing that I think could happen would be to have all my papers and records and work that I've done thrown away because everything I have that comforts me and brings me meaning to my life is on paper. Good morning. ALL: Good morning. I'm Matt Paxton. I'm an extreme cleaning specialist. We've got two things that need to happen today. One is we need to clean the house. That's easy. Second one is we've got to get this family back together. That's a little more difficult. It's a long time coming. Family's ready to see this house clean. CAROL: Oh, my gosh. He left. Carol was anxious about Kelvin leaving, wringing her hands. CAROL: He's giving me a nervous breakdown. Really not knowing if he was going to be back and really afraid that Kelvin didn't want anything to do with us this morning. Apparently, Kelvin had gone to get coffee. Please don't leave without telling me. All right. Please don't give me a nervous breakdown. CAROL: There's too much to go through. I think she's going to be frantic. Are we rushing you? We're all trying to help. You've been-- I don't know what you want to keep and throw and you got money stuffed in just about every envelope here. Carol, you're getting a little anxious. Do you need to take a little break? No, I just-- I just don't want her throwing my journals away because I use my calendars to write my journals on. The reality is she's in a deep mental ward. I mean, she is really lost inside her own head. And she's going to have a huge roller coaster up and down throughout the day. Are you happy enough to stay? I'm getting there. CAROL: I don't want you to say you're getting there. I want you to say yes. You want him to say yes? You want me to say yes? CAROL: Just stay and not leaving because his family should have been important. And he would equally say to you that none of this stuff should be here and your family should be important. And this is the work I've been doing, and he knows I've been doing work. This is the disconnect. If you want him to put family first, you're going to have to put family first over paperwork. CHARLENE MILLER: Kelvin, why don't you come back in here. I just want you to look around. It's pretty hideous. Carol, what's this like for you to see what's happening? Well, the government and social services make sure you have a lot of records and papers. Government didn't make you keep these papers. You chose to do that. You are going to have to make the decision today. Do you want these records or do you want your family back, period? You can lose all the court cases, and you're still going to want your family by your side, correct? I have to make some money, and that's how I make the money and pay the bills. I'm going to say it one last time. You will have to choose today. Family or paperwork? To take care my family is taking care of these cases and these medical problems. Are you separating us? For speed purposes. Yeah. They don't know what I want and what I don't want. So how's that's speeding? He's going to go about the same rules I'm going about. They're going to go through my stuff and throw stuff away that I don't want them throwing away. Will you let Rachel and Sabrina please stay in here? MATT PAXTON: That's fine but you two got to hustle inside-- outside. - OK. MATT PAXTON: All right. Trust in a man you don't know and you can feel-- I'm not trusting him. He said he was throwing it away. He didn't say he was going through my stuff. What's going on? If my husband's going through my stuff and looking through my personal stuff, I'd rather him discuss it with me now instead of personally getting mad or angry about something I have that he doesn't understand and doesn't want to talk to me about. We spent a lot of time with their going back and forth about the issue of trust. She didn't trust Kelvin to treat her things respectfully, and she didn't trust Kelvin to go through her things without reading it and then getting angry with her. I never touched your crap. You threw away tons of my stuff behind my back. I'm just asking you to vent future problems, that's all. Now I'm getting pissed. I never took nothing of yours. I don't want nothing of yours. You understand that? CORY CHALMERS: Oh, God. Kind of what I expected. Just a lot of rotting food, medicine, soap. So this is his bathroom as well. It looks like he buys a lot of stuff either at food bank or clearance at the grocery store because they have lines through them and X's through the labels which means it's about to expire or already expired. Some kind of lunch meat. So despite the fact that it's not running, he's still using it as refrigerator or at least a place to store his food that he's still eating. This one, I don't know what it is but there's maggots, old dead maggots falling out of it. I don't even need to tell you what this smells like, but it is absolutely liquid mush. Here's his medicine. You know, something you're going to just hopefully taken. It's covered in maggots. He's obviously not fit to live alone when this is what he's eating and the way he's living. Oh, [bleep]. God bless America. Lloyd is watching his cars getting towed away, and he is really upset by this. They stripped every [bleep] damn thing out of it? He was reminded of this over the past few days several times, but it seems like it hasn't registered to him. And now that he's actually seeing it happen, he's overwhelmed. He is distraught. He's angry. I'm asking a question. And I'm answering. Everything on your property is getting removed. We're really concerned about Lloyd because he is absolutely, absolutely the most angry that I've seen him all week. (SINGING) God bless America. Land that I love. Stand beside her and guide her through the [bleep] living on the ground around us. God bless you all. You light up my life. Thank you, Kaye. He said it's OK to throw it all away. Well, you're not going to be driving anymore. You really don't need the cars. Oh, I'm glad somebody knows how to decide for me. Help me buy a new one. There's an emotional tie to those cars because family members have owned those. He's had them since they were brand new. And for some reason, in his mind, those are very special to him. And all the trailers are going off this property too now. Is that true? Kaye, I'm not-- no, I didn't know this from the very beginning, Kaye. Yeah, Dad. I mentioned it to you. You just probably didn't remember. This is Kaye and Kathleen's one chance where they're in control. And Kaye especially is letting that show by taking charge today and showing her father that for once, you know, she's going to do this. Why am I allowing this to be taken? Dad, this is helping you. We're helping you to move on, OK? I'm glad you can make intelligent decisions for your father. KAYE: You too. [bleep] Damn. Just tears my heart apart. Oh, Jesus Christ almighty. This is insane. Doesn't matter how old he gets. He's still hard to handle, hard to take. Hard to be around him. It's all my fault. Jesus Christ, yes. I am at blame for every [bleep] damn thing here. I know a lot of people think it's his age and it's the dementia, but we heard that growing up. And so, you know, that just brings back that voice in my head of ugliness. [shouts angrily] [bleep] America. I've caught you lots of times taking my stuff. What stuff? And you accuse me of taking your stuff too. What did you catch me taking? I'm not starting another fight with you now about all those stuff of the past. I want you with me when you're looking through my stuff. And if it has to be thrown away and nobody is going to look at it, I'd rather him be throwing it away and nobody looking at it than you throwing it away and looking through it and then holding it against me later. So what makes you trust Matt? Because he's a stranger. He's not going to argue with me I don't have to trust somebody to not do something when they've already done it for 22 years we've been together. Day one today is a challenge. We started out strong. Family was focused. Pretty soon negative comments started flying. I'm pissed. Day one was kind of sad. She's trying to find a hiding place for this stuff today. I feel that she feels the most important to her, somebody will touch it. Can you please not take my husband-- Take your husband where? In there? Take him away? Don't take him on the shed. Oh, she's put a ton of stuff in here since last night. This was only about four feet high. Between 11:00 PM last night and 9:00 AM this morning, she brought in about 15 boxes and stacked them in here. She actually beat us to the punch. I mean, she's brought it out here and already tried to save it before we could even show it to her. So what's going on? People are taking my stuff and throwing it away. I don't think you've seen the things that we kept for you. We kept a whole lot of it. All of your court papers that were important, we kept. For most hoarders, they're able to convert from needing to be around people to basically to be around stuff. All of those court cases give her something to think about. They keep her busy. They give her hope. Do you feel safety with all this paperwork here? That's right. Protects me and reminds me of times, good times that we had. And we haven't had any good times for 10 years. And there's nothing good except for those papers. Do you think you'd rather have the papers than have them right now? - Yes, I would. If I'm making them miserable, they shouldn't have to be here. CHARLENE MILLER: They're here this weekend because they've chosen to be here this weekend. We need to do what's right for your mental health, which is to go slower today. But the reality of that is that we're not going to hit our goal of having this house empty so that your husband can come back. CHARLENE MILLER: Carol, is that making you a little sad? Oh, really sad? I know he didn't want to be with any of this. I know Kelvin doesn't love me. I know he doesn't want to be with me. I know he wants to escape, believe me. I was going to get them pulled off the property to a friend. We're going to work on that '76. How long has it been sitting there? Well, too long in your book. Here's a perfectly good box going to hell. Jesus, it's a blessing, and I don't understand it. I do not understand it. Let's just take a break from this for a minute. Let's just take a break. I don't want to push her luck. Lloyd has a lot of risk factors for both mental and physical problems, so I really feel like it's safest to get him out of here, to get him some distance from this situation. I don't know how much he can handle it. Lloyd, let's get going. Oh, boy. I can't believe this. I cannot believe it. LIZ MOORE: This is not something I would typically do with someone in this kind of hoarding situation, but Lloyd is beyond the point of reason because of his dementia and advancing age. And all this does is upset him. A social order is going to make an initial assessment generally within one to 10-day response rate depending upon the safety issues that are present. But once we're there, we're going to do a full psychosocial assessment, evaluate the environment, and get a clear sense about what's going on. When they do evaluate him, oh, the heck of a lot of money, they're going to say he can not live independently. My clinical judgment spending the past few days with him, he can not make safe decisions. If he stays here independently, he will either get seriously injured or he will die here. People die in better conditions than this. It's not humane to let him be here alone. I'm glad that we chose to do the cleanup and get rid of these things. And it really helped me to see more where he is mentally and how wrong it all is. And we do need to put him someplace else. There is a better place for him, so I'm going to work with Adult Protective Services and find his new home. CORY CHALMERS: I think we took a total of 60 loads to the dump, and we've only touched about 25% to 30% of the clutter on this property. I think at this point, the only option for them is to walk away from the property, and the county will have to deal with it. They owe $107,000 on this property. There's no way that once we leave that the two sisters are going to do anything to this property themselves. So I think at this point, they really need to just look at what they're doing and just walk away and put their father in a nice home somewhere where he can be happy and healthy. As far as my father's property and the condition that he is in now, I'm going to wait to hear from the county to see if they are going to remove the fees that they placed on him. And until I know what's happening with them, I really can't make a decision what to do. And until I have another home for him, I can't get rid of this property. I didn't come for my dad. I came for my sister. She's done so much the last year, and I couldn't let her come out here alone. I don't care to ever come back to this property again. There's nothing good here for me. I won't come to visit him. I won't. If I have any choice about it, I won't see him again. CAROL: I'm scared. It's all my fault. RACHEL: It's not your fault. CAROL: Yes, it is. I'm very emotional. I don't want to break up my family. KELVIN: I'm sorry we had to go through this, OK? It's very important to me to do whatever I can to keep the family together. Carol started our morning really, really agitated and suspicious that we had thrown things away. But she's doing a lot better right now. She's working on a couple of her bins, and she's throwing some things away. CAROL: Just take it. RACHEL: Awesome. Thank you. Proud of you, Mom. It's the home run stretch. We've got two hours, and I want to get this yard cleaned up if we can. You think we can do it? Yes. MATT PAXTON: OK, good. Let's keep going, guys. We're doing this. We're close. The family pulled together. The girls were really, really motivated. Kelvin, her husband, was really motivated. Just really happy that Kelvin and Sabrina and Rachel and I could work all together. It's probably the first time in our lives that we've worked together and them not being angry at me. Oh, my gosh. Look at this. Is this the same place? It's the first time I've ever seen it in my life. Come on in. Come on in. And walk all the way in. KELVIN: OK. Oh, my gosh. There's a couch there. You know how nice this is? Wow. That's outrageous. CHARLENE MILLER: So tell me what it feels like to be in here. It feels like a lot of weight's been lifted off my shoulders just by digging up the floor. Yeah. CHARLENE MILLER: Hey, guys. Hey, Sabrina and Rachel, I want you just to experience this room. Wow. KELVIN: It's awesome. Takes my breath away. I'm really not going to cut off my mom now. She's worked really hard in the last two days, and I'm really proud of what she has accomplished. I know she didn't want to. And I'm happy, and I'm going to continue to talk to her and be there for her. It really means a lot to me that you guys came and come back again and see me. We'll come back. We've worked really hard for 2 and 1/2 days to help this family clean out their house. I think at this point, they understand that the problems go deeper than just a messy house. My concern is that if Carol does not get the social services and the support she needs that she's going to fill the house back up again and live in a rat-infested home. So I'm going to ask you today, where we've done all we have time for, is this enough for you to stay? I would stay definitely if the whole house was done and completed. I'm about half and half at this point, but I really honestly do feel like she's going to try. I'll stick around and wait and help her to see if she'll do it [music playing]
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Length: 43min 47sec (2627 seconds)
Published: Sat Oct 16 2021
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