Hasan Piker Gets Us Cancelled | Sad Boyz

Welcome to Sad Boyz, a podcast about feelings and other things also. - I'm Jarvis. - I'm Jordan. It's all jazz. It's all jazz, and we're joined today by Hasan D. Piker, the man, the myth, the legend, the big boy, the Kaya dad. Yeah, I'm a dog dad. Any extra superlatives? - Uh, Gucci shirt purchaser. - I did purchase a Gucci shirt. I bought a car. - Nice. - Oh, how dare you? So, no more socialism? And a house. I was like, "Yo, once I get this bread, it's fucking..." That's what I thought The Bread Book was about. Get your bread up. So I did. And, you know, now the socialism shit is over. Yeah, it's over. Wait, OK, so you were saying the... You were a shoes-off household. Yeah, I was a – I mean, Turkish people, we don't wear shoes in the house normally, and I'm very anal about being clean. - [JARVIS] Right. - Like, my house, at least other streamers will attest to this, it's a very low bar to clear for streamers, - 'cause their houses are awful. - Yeah. They live in these, like, multimillion-dollar chateaus, basically, and, uh, it's all like piles of trash and boxes everywhere. But my house is very clean all the time. I wanna make sure it's clean. I tell everybody to take their shoes off. Until I got Kaya, and she was pissing and shitting everywhere like a demon. She would – she had a spot. I would walk her, she would not poop, and then she had a little spot in the house where she would go and hide her little poops. Oh. Did you have her in, uh, you know, like a pen? - Yeah. - 'Cause that was... When I first got Dipper, he had a stomach bug that we couldn't figure out what the issue was, and he could not have solid stool to save his life. - Ooh, that's bad. - Yeah, and so it would literally be just diarrhea all the time, stressful to go on walks, even, because you don't wanna hit the concrete - and then it's hard to clean out of the – - Yeah. You're just scraping. - Yeah. - Hoping that it's, like, not gonna cut open a hole in the poop bag. - Yeah. - But you're scraping the concrete. Or praying that, like... There were a few areas that were just dirt, where I'm like, "I need you to go right here, - right now, or else." - Yeah. The tiny little town I grew up in, it was weirdly – Well, not weirdly. It's like, you know, very... It's standardized here to spay and neuter. It just wasn't there, like the idea of it wasn't even culturally common. And so dogs constantly just getting randomly pregnant became a system in our life, and then eventually my dog, my Whippet, got pregnant. Six – I was gonna say "kids." You're out here talking like the dog, like, Jesus Christ's mom, or something. - The dog accidentally, like magically. - It doesn't add up. She told me – Your dog was a virgin, and then she was pregnant. I don't – you're being so rude to my dog. A Christian. How young were you? Is that what your parents told you? Like, "The dog was a virgin, and then one day she had beautiful children." I think I was literally just operating on, like, the science of momentum. Just like, "And then stuff happens." You know when you're a kid and you can't die? You're like, "Yeah, I'll just walk on stuff and fall over." Your skin heals itself. That hadn't happened for, like, childbirth yet. I hadn't been like, "Oh, people do stuff and the kid happens." Yeah. Well, you're an adult now, which is why I'm shocked that you're still explaining it with the same concept. Well, it's all framed back. It's like these experiences happen - when you're so young. - You're not listening. I'm saying it happened when I was a kid, and that is true. - Oh, OK. - Now that wouldn't be the case. - "This fucking..." - [JARVIS] True. But after that happened, six puppies, abnormally big for a Whippet litter, and it turns out there's also no potty training standard where I'm from. So every day, back from school, the floor's just shit. It's just shit. So your parents didn't even potty-train the dog? It's just me and my mum, and I don't think we ever really anticipated it. She's also a very seat-of-the-pants kind of – Wait, your dog's name is Whippet? No, the type of dog. - Oh. - They're like, um... Have you ever seen – there's this little mini doc. I think it's on ESPN or something, called "The Michael Jordan of Dogs." - Oh, yeah. - And it's about – wait. Can we pull this up, actually? Can you pull up "The Michael Jordan of Dogs?" - Because – - Oh my god, - that's the type of dog you had? - It's like a Greyhound scaled down. They're so athletic. - And, uh – - You're probably thinking, their heads are small, their brains are small, and they're probably dumb, right? Correct, yes. Yeah. Dumbest dogs. That's what I was thinking. Um, no, he just – That dog looks like he just only knows how to run. That's what it looks like. It looks like there's only one speed for the dog. - [JARVIS] Yes. - Yeah. - Yeah. - [JARVIS] That's the one, Jacob. Look at all those – oh my god. [JORDAN] The trophy's the size of the dog. [GIRL IN DOC] ...homework and walking dogs, like killing two birds with one stone. - Wow. - He's not even going fast. Whatever. - Just wait. - This dog sucks. I'm so close to revoking my "all dogs are cute" principle. - All right, here we go. - Here we go. - You're about to change your mind. - The music. Some may be gross, but they are beautiful. - They leap into the water. - Let's see Kaya do this. and they have to grab a thing. Like Michael Jordan. What the fuck? And when you see this at full speed, it's insane. You think Air Jordan could do this shit? - No way, dude. - No fucking way. Six rings, and he couldn't do a single dog dive. A dogshit bite. - The angle feels really weird. - Yeah, the angle's ridiculous. Bro, that is so much... - It's wild. - That's so much height, dude. And it's this, like, high-school girl who has this uncanny bond with this dog. It's like a movie. People are going crazy for it. - Yeah. - They're like "Whoooooa!" I mean, dude, if you live in Iowa, this is the nuttiest shit. - Look! Look at this! This is wild. - Yeah, I love that. I love that. One thing that doesn't hit about this documentary is it sets itself up like it's gonna be like I, Tonya where it's like, "Wow, so impressive," and then a dark story outlines – It's just like, "Yeah, the dog jumped really good." Yeah, the dog jumped really good. It didn't destroy another dog's career. I like – yeah, there's no drama. The dog's ex-boyfriend just shatted. The dog bites the other dog's leg before the competition. Fucks the dog up. Um, that's... I'm glad that they're – that they're doing this. This is a great documentary. - What a way to start the podcast. - Yeah, I had to talk about Spitfire. - That's actually it for today. - All right, peace, guys. I mean, we're reacting. - I don't know if this is kosher. - Oh, yeah. Hey, look, this is ESPN. And it's, uh... Two – just a few seconds. I think as far as the industry goes, this is the safe space for reacts. - OK. - We finally can say what's on our mind. - Yeah. - Have a nice debate where we agree. I mean, listen, I posted that photo, remember, from the Streamys last year? - [JARVIS] Oh, yeah. - [HASAN] When it was like, "me with everyone whose content I've stolen." - [JARVIS] Right. - And then, like, I guess people don't understand that, like, content creators are friends with one another, so they're like, "No, actually, you are stealing their content. I'm gonna be mad on behalf of them." (sighs) Yeah. It's a – it's a nuanced – Uh, it's a nuanced thing. We talked about this with Ludwig, too. There's just a line, where it's like, uh... You know, if you leave the chair and you don't know the creator – I've noticed that you've changed your react habits, though. I was watching you do reacts. You were watching brand deals. Is there like a... Like a big takeaway from the reactgate drama that you're just trying to...? - No. - Oh, OK. I feel like, as far as reactgate goes, I've been in the crosshairs for this particular thing many times over, and the first time I changed my habits dramatically, because I do think that it was, like, fucked up, because I had a dual-cam setup, - [JARVIS] Mm. - where if I was in the kitchen, I was still watching. - Yeah. - And, and... But people didn't fucking know that. Only my community knew that. But it was, like, super clippable - to just be like, "Fuck this guy." - Yeah. - "Look at what he's doing." - I think I watched some of your, like, - back in the true crime reacts era, - Yeah. uh, it would be like you came back, and people were like, "You missed something." - And it was like, "No, I watched it." - Yeah. Tons and tons and tons of the people that are seeing clips may not be that familiar with your content in general, - Yeah. - and are watching a clip, even one of the extended highlights that you don't upload, but... - Yeah, exactly, which is... - It's like, "He just walked away." "What the hell?" but you've been live for 29 hours or whatever. Yeah. There's also that element of it, where people are just unfamiliar with the process, - like they don’t understand it. - [JARVIS] Yeah. So I changed that a while ago, when the original reactgate happened. It was like three years ago. Or two years ago? I don't even remember. Um, so I stopped doing that. And then... I mean, even now, every now and then I still have to go pee, or like, other emergencies happen while you're streaming that, you know, I don't really talk about too much, but - there's a lot of things happening - [JARVIS] Things come up. in a 10-hour timeframe throughout the day, so sometimes you're, unfortunately, away from the computer and can't immediately go back. And I'm not talking like "I had explosive diarrhea," you know? - Regular diarrhea. - For sure. Yeah, just regular diarrhea. - Yeah. - I mean, it literally could be that the dog had explosive diarrhea, and you're like, "Fuck, I have to clean that now." It's... I think the... the other line, especially for, like, the... the reason it was so easy for the xQc situation to kick this off, the new reactgate, was because he was literally not in his chair, and then it was also posted, I think, by one of his editors to YouTube. Yeah, he would post, like, straight VOD rips onto his YouTube. - Yeah. - I never do that, but, like, um, but it doesn't matter, because a lot of people didn't realize I have like 1,000 fan-owned and -operated channels that I don't even touch the revenue of at all. Like, they just make their own money of it. So they're like, "What the fuck? This guy's just –" And some of them do have, like, hundreds of thousands of subs. Yeah. I mean, I've – I mean, I would say primarily I consume your stream through - the Hasan Clips Industrial Complex. - Yeah. - And, uh... - Until reactgate, I was not really aware of how much involvement you had with all those sub-channels, and I didn't realize it was none with a ton of them. Yeah. I don't touch them at all. I'm like, you know, go off. If you wanna make money, make some money off of it. Yeah, I'm not a firm IP defender at all. - I think it's bullshit. But... - It's stupid. You know, I mean, obviously there's reasonable... - Yeah. - There's bounds of reason. I don't wanna offend content creators. - I'm a content creator. - Yeah. People constantly forget that, 'cause they're like, "Oh, all he does is just let his chair watch YouTube videos." But, like, I don't want – I know the labor that goes into making shit, so I don't wanna... I don't wanna, like, watch someone's video and just not really watch it, and then have that creator be like, "What the fuck?" Um, and I don't wanna upload it and, like, take away from their algo, right? Um, so what I try to do, and what I've tried to do for the longest time now, is like, I always, one, pull additional data from other places. Like I'll pull another complementary video or something like that, TikToks, Instagram posts, or data in general if I'm talking about something. Um, and try to make it transformative. Obviously it's live, so there's gonna be dead air regardless. And then, the way I do it is, like, look, if you're an editor, if you wanna upload my videos, you can, but just cut the fucking dead air out. Like, what are you doing? Make sure that you, like, at least edit it a little bit so that you're not directly just doing a VOD rip. Right, 'cause there need to be guidelines for, you know, even if it's an unaffiliated channel, just for the betterment of the – I guess it's just like the, um... - It's good manners, I think. - Yeah, exactly. And the practice has to be established by creators. As much as people will chirp and tell you what to do, ultimately, like, the best practice is established - by the person that starts doing it. - Yeah. Like, winning a debate, and then everyone goes, "Shit, I guess I will be different." It just has to have started naturally and considerately. For example, the thing is, like, even if I have a... a content creator who I'll watch, I'll watch like a period of the video, and I know exactly what timecodes I'm watching. And then I'll stop watching, and it's like a third of the video. I promote it, and, uh, my commentary on it is much larger than the video itself. Um, sometimes someone will upload it, and if I feel like, you know... I'll talk to content creators about it. If I feel like that uploader has, like, basically kicked them off the algorithm, like this has happened before, I'll, you know, I'll either get Ostonox to talk to the channel and take it down, or if they're not complying - then you can DMCA it. Clap them. - Yeah. Yeah. It's... one of those things that's just a hard... Because, at the end of the day, you're working with fair use, that by definition doesn't have like a, uh, hard line in the sand, like that's always decided in the courts in terms of what is transformative, it's always gonna be tough. But I think as long as, um... Courts that will always be in favor of, you know, a corporate party. - Yeah. - And I'm the corporate party in this situation, baby. - The wealthiest player in the game. - Right. Come at me, little YouTube channels. Brrap! No, he's mad with power. "The Koch brothers love me watching Jubilee, baby." That's the funniest part, 'cause people get mad at that shit. I'm like, "Do you guys even know this is their whole brand?" It revolves around streamers reacting to their content. - That's why they make it. - It's a whole ecosystem, yeah. They're like, "Hey, Cody Ko." You know, like, "Come in." Cut does it too. They've reached out to me many times. They know how their bread is buttered. - Right. - Um, so that's the other side of it. Not everybody wants to play that game, and you respect it when someone says – Exactly. 100%. - Like, what is it, CGP Grey? - Oh, yeah. Ludwig got clapped by him like a bunch of times. I mean, I've never really watched his videos regardless, but he hates it. He's just like, "Do not fucking watch my videos. I will kill you." Yeah. And I love CGP Grey as a creator. I, like, have watched their videos for years and years. And finding out that, it hurt me a little bit. Like, it hurt my little parasocial heart. - Also, it's like, "Respect it," you know? - Respect, yeah. I heard, like, Tom Nicholas doesn't like it, or – Is it Tom Nicholas? - Who's the guy, the British guy? - Tom Scott? - British science guy, or British – ? - British science guy. British science guy is Tom Scott. Oh, OK. Tom Nicholas is dope. Yeah, he's like the leftist video essay guy? Yeah, no, he's great. I've talked to him about this stuff as well. - That's why his name was in my mind. - Yeah. No, I was talking about Tom Scott. Yeah, I love Tom Scott. I get it. He's done like a whole – It's ironic, 'cause, like, he's done a whole IP video that I reacted to on stream, - Oh, yeah. - [HASAN] and people were like, "He's not gonna like this," but it was like, you know. - Yeah. - I never uploaded it, but it was definitely transformative. - Right. - It was a spirited discussion. Yeah. Look, ultimately, with stuff like this, the answer is vibes-based. If you as a creator are made uncomfortable by it, I don't need you – They shouldn't have to present some kind of, like, elaborate case. - Right. - It's just "OK, then." - "I don't know why or why not." - Yeah. Even if Cut, out of nowhere, all of a sudden started to go, like, "This is boutique content. You're ruining it," like, fine. But that's not the burden of a creator that does think they're doing something transformative. - That's valid. So, - Yeah. until somebody calls it out, don't... I don't – uh, Like, projecting on behalf of the audience is so annoying to me, being like, "I feel like the creator would feel this way." Half the time, half the time it's dudes that's nobody's reacting to that's chirping, - Yeah. - which is like, "Don't worry, man. I'm not watching your stuff. I promise." But, um... "He'll be watching my Truck Simulator video in no time." - Yeah. - "Making fun of me." It's just, you know... Uh, but, I mean, there is truth to it, where it's like, it is annoying, you know? I don't feel that way, but I know others do not feel the same way. You can do whatever the fuck you want with my videos. Right, and then – yeah. I think it just comes down to the creator and what they want. And obviously, like, there is fair use, so it's like if you're making a video critical of someone and you have to use their video as source material, you know, you may have a disagreement with that creator, but that's a different concept. Usually this is in the context of, like, entertainment, but commentary, like almost like a commentary track - on top of some existing video. - Yeah. The way I see it is, like, um, the out – the product that I want people to see at the end of the day, on YouTube in a VOD format, like a video-on-demand format, is no different than um, a commentary video - that you would make, right? - Right. Like, that's – and I make enough commentary on a video that you absolutely could do that. - Yeah. - Which is why I'm like... Which is why I'm always like, listen, these guys, you gotta edit it a little bit more. Come on. Like, you're just straight-up trying to be first to market. And then you take their thumbnails, of the people that I'm reacting to, - and it's the same exact title. - Like you take them out - and put another face in, yeah. - And it's like, you just did the MrBeast app, - but with my fucking face. - Yeah, the Chrome extension. I think in most cases, I know... that it's valid, 'cause with a lot of creators I may have watched the video they're reacting to, and then I will watch the react, - Yeah. - because it is a different thing. Oh, as a consumer, I am like brain-broken in the way of – I think I've talked about this, where I love watching a movie and then watching a ton of, like, videos about the movie, or watching a video and watching a ton of... I've begrudgingly watched movies so I can be an elitist about whatever the reviews say. Or I get recommended, like, people – Like, I'll watch a video myself, and then you or somebody else will react to it and I'll be like, "I could watch it again." I don't know. At the end of the day, it's like, uh, I'm listening while I'm, you know, - on a run or something. - Yeah. People see it as like a one-to-one, where they... They say that it's like you're completely working to push the other original form of content off-market, and I think that in certain instances it can be like that, especially if your input is just like, "Oh, wow, that's crazy," Yeah. - or not anything at all. But if you're, like, genuinely providing commentary or, I guess in my case, duking it out with chatters who have a very different opinion on the subject matter that I'm looking at. I mean, the reason why I'm late today is literally 'cause I was watching this lady get, uh, arrested by the cops for doing a prank phone call. And part of the reason why I got late is because, well, one, my haircut took longer than I expected, but I was - meaning to, like, do coverage on it. - Right. And heated arguments ensued, because people were defending the cops, and I was like, "You're fucking stupid." You know. And that's how you arrive at the "PauseanAbi" memes, - where the runtime is like three times - Oh, yeah. the original video's runtime. - Pick a fucking lane. You know? - I know. Like, either I'm pausing too much or not pausing enough. Well, most of the people don't watch. They just see the memes and they run with it. So they'll, like, come into the chat and be like, "Where's the chair reacts? Why haven't we gotten the chair reacts?" I'm like, "Do you not understand what you're saying?" Like, you came in here. You didn't get the expectation. So now, instead of reconfiguring your perspective on, uh, like, maybe you were duped into believing something, you're just like, "No, I want to see that." But anyway, let's not talk about fucking reactgate. - I'm sorry. This is boring. - Oh, no, yeah. I've actually got a few debate topics I'd love to get into. - Let's do it. Fuck yeah. - "Change my mind." - DeSantis is cute. He's cool. - Don't agree with that. - No rizz. - I do think, genuinely, I think the only chance DeSantis has at having any kind of cultural impact – not winning, but some kind of cultural impact – would be to become really uwu. And just become like a little sweetie. Do you remember "I did everything right and they indicted me"? - Yeah. - Worked for Trump because he said it - in such a cute little voice. - Yeah. I mean, he is uwu. - Trump is very kawaii in many respects. - He's too ahead. He has to pivot now. - Yeah. - DeSantis just being like, "I don't – I'm sowwy, Disney." - "Oh, Disney, I'm so sowwy." - He did kinda do that. He was, like, on CNBC. He was like, "Come on, just drop the court case. I'm done. You know? Let bygones be bygones." I was like, "Dude, you're so cringe." But if he'd gone, "I'm eepy, I don't wanna do this anymore..." - "I'm eepy." - Come on. You changed your mind, maybe. This is, uh – I feel like you're giving too much free advice. Oh, yeah. Out of the campaign. - Yeah, cut that out. - No free feet, no free advice for the Republican campaign. Oh, god. Ron DeSantis wins. - Oh, yeah – - No! It could all be traced back to this moment. - I don't get any money? - He's deporting you first. Dude, we've already been through that. Yeah, you created your own worst enemy, dude. Yeah, he doesn't make me leave beforehand. Yeah. "It was very good advice, but now you're gone." "Now I'm not cute anymore." Yeah. He's got some great ideas. Do you guys talk about politics on this podcast? Dabble. If it's interesting. Yeah, we dabble. - I feel like, uh – - I have a "no politics" rule on mine. - Oh, really? - We try not to talk about any politics. I think that's smart, considering how much other content - there is when you're doing politics. - Yeah. I think if there's nothing of value to say as far as what we specifically would think, you know? I think, um, advocating for things we agree with, - we'll talk about, - Yeah. or if there's something that we see that's a public take that we – I mean, we just watched the cop slide incident, - for example, because it's very funny. - Can't stop. Yeah. But then, like, if somebody were to reply being like, "We're trivializing the police. It's actually epic bacon." - "We're trivializing police brutality." - Yeah. Police are – no, no – Not police doing brutal things. - Brutality upon police. - Violence against police. By slides. It's under-reported. Yeah, like, not police fatalities, but when Scorpion does a fatality on a police officer. But yeah, we made a "stop resisting" joke on that, and I saw like one person be like, "A little soon, don't you think?" Soon to what? - Soon to what? He didn't die. - Today, I would imagine, somewhere. - Also, the slide is OK, too. - Yeah. In America, the "oh, too soon" does not work for mass shootings - and police brutality. - Yeah. Because it's happening every day, three times a fucking day. - "Too soon. I just did that." - Yeah. There are weird things people say to almost defuse the ability to have a conversation about it, or prevent the ability to have a conversation about it, which is, yeah, "Oh, too soon. You can't talk about that." I don't know. Yeah, then you can never talk about it. 'Cause it's never gonna stop. I think a "no politics" rule makes sense, especially for you, because just hours of the day. - Yeah. - Like, literally minutes alive. 'Cause I need to make it different. Like, I already do Leftovers with Ethan. - That's political. - Yeah. And, like, I see people complain that it's like, "I already heard Hasan's take on this," and it's like, what do you want me to do? I'm a human. There's only so many stories I can cover, and I'm doing it for 10 hours every day. Um, so that's why I wanted to differentiate it. So we just do drama instead, internal drama. - You could block him. Right? - Oh, yeah. - Guys? Right? - Yeah, for now, 'cause Elon's getting rid of blocking on Twitter. - Oh, yeah. - What's the consensus? That that's actually not viable 'cause of the App Store? Yeah, App Store terms of service makes it impossible. For Android, yeah. - Um... - Oh, specifically for Android? - Well, at least that's – - Apple store too. - Oh, really? - Yeah. But then Linda Yaccarino, the new CEO of X, - who we hear from like once a month, - [HASAN] Girlboss. uh, was like, uh... "Actually, we're gonna make a new, better replacement for blocking." And I can't – I don't fully understand what that could possibly be. They said they're gonna beef up the mute functionality - to basically be the block functionality. - [JARVIS] Oh. I think at this point, it's like, um... They're all just, like, dancing around Elon Musk's whims, 'cause on a whim he'll be like, "Everyone's blocking advertisers. Everyone's blocking all my - blue checkmark fanboys." - Right. "So how do I solve this? OK, I'm deleting the block functionality." - Yeah. - He doesn't even think about it. He fucking tweets it out. Uh, or X'es it out, whatever you wanna call it. He Truth Socials it out on Twitter. Yeah, so he Truths it out, and... And then everyone's like, "Oh, you can't do that, dumbass. It's a violation of the terms of service. You're gonna get deleted off the App Store." Like... And he's like, "I was kidding, dude." And instead of doing that, they're like, "We meant something different." And then everybody that does deserve to be blocked will go, "Brilliant move, sir. Thank you." - "Quite the chessman. Checkmate." - What was it? "Masterful gambit, sir." Like, he slams his dick into a car door. "Masterful gambit." Um... Yeah. Wait, that just reminded me of the Mark Zuckerberg fight, too, - where he... - (groans) Where it's, like, never gonna happen, and he keeps making it seem like Mark is running away from him. It's so funny that he's saying that, and I don't think even his fucking fanboys believe it. Yeah, no. Whereas Mark is like, "I'm doing this for real, dude. I am the BJJ man." - "It's fun. I don't have hobbies." - All these dudes post another shirtless photo and it's over, you know? Elon Musk shirtless looks horrific. - Yeah. - Literally, yeah, like a photo of – Was it Volk and Stylebender he was just standing next to in that fucking photo? And he looks incredible. Like, he looks so good. And then everyone was replying, "There's a reason weight classes exist." He would actually be able to run at him. - I don't exactly know what, like... - I don't know. I mean, most people have never done any, like, uh, any kind of martial arts or anything, so they're just talking out of their ass, I think. Like, the amount of cardio necessary for combat sports is insane. - Yeah. - [HASAN] Like... And it's not even transferable to other sports. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's not just cardio; it's technique, and also a tremendous amount of usage of muscle - in a very particular way. - Right. And you get gassed out. That's why, like, rounds don't go like... That's why rounds are not the same in mixed martial arts - or in boxing, uh, - Yeah. as any other sport. Yeah, it almost doesn't make sense when you're watching it. Or if you watch boxing and people are like, "Why does it look like they're moving in slow motion?" And it's like, you're so gassed. It's crazy. - Yeah, I look like – - Yeah, you would know. Yeah, dude. Frickin'... You're... You're a boxer. Yeah. Dude, I gotta fix my – We talked about this already, but I gotta fix my, um, nose. I can't breathe through my nose. - Oh, damn. - And it was a big problem for training, because my coach was like – Oh, I thought after the fight or something. No, just throughout my life. - He was kinda hoping that would fix it. - I was hoping, yeah. I was like, "Fingers crossed." I... had a, uh, asthma attack, where I couldn't breathe, And so I didn't actually take any damage during the fight, which is good, but, um... Like, but I do need to get a surgery. I just found out I have sleep apnea. - So that's pretty sick. - No. - Confirmed? Thumbs up? - Yeah. That's – you need a CPAP machine? Maybe. Uh, I need to – I think I have a appointment next week with the actual doctor. - The sleep doctor? - Yeah. The options are, like, a throat surgery or a jaw surgery, uh, maybe fixing my deviated septum, maybe CPAP machine. There's a few different extreme options that I'm, like, trying – I'm gonna try to navigate. It's like mild and obstructive, so I think that has to do with my position, and then it stops my ability to breathe. Oh, actually, OK. So, last episode, we talked about this guy that we saw when we were at an Airbnb in VidCon. Like, we turned on the TV, we were logged into somebody else's YouTube account, and recommended to us was this man trying on a Power Rangers cosplay that it had taken him five years to receive because of, I guess, backups during the pandemic and stuff. So he was like, "I ordered this in 2017. It just arrived. I had no idea I was even gonna get it." And then he's really excited, and he tries it on, and slowly the, like, realization hits that, like, he can't really see through the mask. - He can't breathe through it. - That's kinda sad. - It's kind of sad, but – - But he is so sweet. Yeah, he's keeping the energy up. He's like, "No," and it looks incredible. It's just like, "I can't" – He's a picture-perfect Red Ranger. - He looks really cool. - "I can't see." And we only described this in the video. Didn't show any of the, um, visuals. And then on the bonus, we watched it, but also cut out the visuals. I didn't want anybody weird to go to the guy, and it's just fun to have our guest react to it. And the guy fucking found the episode. He was like, - "Thanks for talking about me." - 24 hours. He was such a sweetie about it. So, since he's outed himself, I wanna shout out The World of HA. Um, he's the man. He is the Red Ranger. Um, and, you know, respect. Do you have to – I feel like, uh... You maybe not even really requesting it, you've got a very impressionable audience, just through the size and influence you have. Not like your demographic's super impressionable as people, but you have a large audience. Yeah. I mean, no matter what happens, there's always gonna be some people there, yeah. Do you feel weird about... Like, the Sad Boyz demographic has never really – they haven't harassed anyone, like we've not had experience of that. But I just – that thing was... - No. Uh, I just – - Get your money up. - Yeah. - My fear is always, uh – - Get your licks in. - Yeah. You gotta go harass someone first. Yeah, at a Tyler, the Creator concert. I don't know. I wanna – I like people finding – There's like a handful of creators with, like, 900 followers or something that I love. I think they're so – with super-niche interests, and weird hobbies. But it's not laughing at. It is absolutely laughing – and, like, they're so passionate and joyful and really cute – Right, you're laughing with them, but it'd be hard to communicate to an audience. I think if I sent 100 people, - Yeah, no. - 60 would be mean, and they don't even know they're doing it. Yeah, I usually don't do that for that reason. Like, there are definitely people where I – I have a "don't tap the glass" policy, where I tell them, like, "Listen, you can look at something." - Yeah. - "You just can't try to interact with it." - "Please." And no matter how much - Don't ruin it. I stress that, people still end up going there. Like, when we were watching MasterChef back in the day, like, there were some real freaks. Like, they would get... There was this dude named Cutter, - and he was this right-wing guy. - Oh, yeah. And, like, some, uh, some of the, uh, haters of mine who are, like, obsessively watching, would go there and be like, "This guy's talking shit about you." - They would write it in his Instagram. - Oh my god. "Go check out this guy's profile. He's talking shit about you. You should sue him." - Mm. - It's like, - why are you doing that? - Yeah. I – that sucks. - I, um... - That's why I have to be extra careful. - Yeah. - 'Cause I don't just have fans who will react in a certain way. I have people who will even portray themselves as fans to go in there and, like, do some fucked-up shit. Yeah. You've probably gotten them as well. For a little while after finishing Black.White, we were getting, um, Rose, the daughter, - Yeah. - We'd get Rose's Instagram sent, "and she has this podcast." - And it's like, we don't wanna... - "I don't like that." - Yeah. - Also, the show is 500 years old. [JARVIS] There are too many people who are – [JORDAN] It's the best show ever. - It is. We still haven't watched the last episode. Because we were gonna wait 'til Jordan was back in the States to do it. I've got it on DVD on the bookshelf. I love that. I showed it to JPEGMafia. - Oh, yeah? - I loved it so much. Like, I watched it. It was like a big meme. You guys know all the details, right? - Oh, yeah. - You know that, like, the makeup... You know the makeup artist got a Emmy. - Yeah. - And rightly so. And then also went on to work for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. - There's also the, uh – - Yeah, Falcon's actually white. They used the makeup to make him white. Do you know about the Oprah episode that's been scrubbed from history? Oh, wait, is it the N-word one? No, it's called, um... Oh, we had to look this up before. I can't remember the title of the episode. It was... It was a stupid pun about changing race. Oh, "Changing Races" is the name of the article. - Oh, I think I might have seen that. - It's like there's a – like an archived article from Oprah's website of an episode that Oprah's people were like, "You gotta – this has to go away." But she had on the cast of Black.White, and they, uh – There's a GIF that is still archived where they did a, um, "what will your race look like" in different, um... - No. - Uh, like, like, you put Oprah's face in it, and then it's Oprah, like, flipping through a bunch of different races. It's wild. - [HASAN] That's awesome. - [JORDAN] I love that interpretation of "you defeat racism by doing the funniest possible version of racism." The fucking – I mean, Black.White also... We talked about it, I think, when we reacted to it. Whiteface technology is so underdeveloped. - Yeah. - Blackface technology has been cooking since the '20s. [HASAN] It's like, yeah, Dave Chappelle, like, like, it hasn't changed - since the Chappelle show. - Yeah, that's a very good point. - Like, everyone looks like, uh – - They put powder on. - [JARVIS] Yeah. - Like a lot of powder on their faces. Um, which ties in to me getting canceled on Twitter. - That's right. - Yes. I texted him. I woke up at 4:00 a.m. 'cause I had to take Kaya out to pee, and of course, 'cause I'm brain-broken, I immediately went on Twitter. And I'm getting all these notifications, and I looked at one of them, I clicked on it, and my response to you had like 12,000 likes. And I was like, "Uh-oh. I was right." Well, you know what's funny, is like, it – So, I deleted it because of, uh – - Oh, you did? - Just because it had reached a point where I wasn't gaining anything from it. - This happened to one of our – - Fatigue. This happened to one of our Jordan Peterson shorts where we were very clearly making fun of Jordan Peterson, and then it only got recommended to Jordan Peterson fans. And so we saw no, like, upside from it, no subscriptions, no listens, just a bunch of hate interactions. - And so – - Did we delete them on all platforms, - or just the TikTok? - Honestly, I think just YouTube Shorts, because that was the most, uh... That was the white supremacy accelerator. And, uh... No, so... The tweet, like, you know, - had a good ratio. You know? - I guess we can pull it up. No, I don't wanna do that. It was, when I woke up to see it at 4:00 a.m., it had 77,000 likes. Yeah, it had like 80,000-some-odd likes. My respond to it – My response to it was - when it was at like 1,000 likes. - Yeah. I replied and said, "This tweet 100% is going to leave the intended audience." And I knew that, but the, uh... But the... I was surprised by how, like, uncharitable people are about... Like, I just hit the side of the internet, and I wanna sort of say that it's valid to have this opinion, but some Black people view any depiction of blackface as, like, irredeemable regardless of context. And I was tweeting a joke about... So, for context, the... There was a tweet yesterday about – And this is the other thing, is like, this is gonna now, like, live on without the context of this moment, which is whatever, but there was this Judy Garland tweet where someone discovered that Judy Garland, when she was 17 years old, was in this movie where she was in blackface and doing, like, this sort of racist caricature. And being horrifically abused - throughout the process, - Mmhmm. which I think led to her death, right, at the end? - I don't know – - 100%. Actually, I do know, um, a lot of amphetamine abuse, a lot of drug abuse was happening. For sure. That was even happening during - Wizard of Oz and all this stuff. - Yeah. Yeah, she's a child star in the only time it was even worse to be a child star than now. Yeah. And, uh... And so someone was tweeting, like, this cancellation tweet for Judy Garland, where they're like... Essentially they're like, "Thanks to Gen Z for showing me this." - "Yikes, honey, not a good look." - Yeah. It was like, uh, her doing blackface as, like, I think 13, - at the age of 13. - Yeah, well, I think – And not writing and directing the production. Yeah. I put that in the same category as, like, the person who was like thinking that Lil Tay - was, uh, assassinated or something, - Yeah. and then was like, "I just found out that Lil Tay might be murdered, and then I found out she said the N-word, - so now I don't care anymore." - Yeah. And I was like, "What do you mean? She was nine." Yeah. So, so, right. It's take-poisoning. "I have to say something, so I guess I have to hate it." People will turn around and be like, "So it's OK to say the N-word at nine?" It's like, no. She's nine, which means someone was making her say it. - Yeah. - Get mad at the right person, not the nine-year-old, you fucking freak. - Yeah. - I mean, shit, man, kinda. Like, more than as an adult. It's, like, so mind-boggling that we have this incredibly, like, black-or-white, for lack of a better word, - approach that – - Binary, let's say. Binary approach to, like, "A racist act has occurred. Let's not investigate it further to understand, like, if the perpetrator was fucking nine." - Yeah. - Like, why are there any laws around additional protections for minors if we are not operating under the assumption that they don't know what the fuck they're doing? - Like, it's the parents that are at fault. - Right. It's like if the, uh – If a child was working at an unethical role, or, like, they're working on a battery farm? It's like, "Wow. Yikes." "Two-year-old child that they put in the cages." It's really fucked up. At the racism factory, which Judy Garland was working at. Founded, age one. So, I, uh, sort of tweeted a parody of this tweet, basically with the same structure, of, uh, Ken Jeong from Community, - uh, who – - A show you didn't make. A show that I, uh... - You didn't make Community? - Yeah, one of my greatest regrets. - [HASAN] Yeah, that's fucked up. - Dan Harmon called me up when I was 14 years old, - and he said, "Do you wanna...?" - "I don't think this is gonna work." I was like, "I don't think anyone cares - about community college." - He called you for that episode only. And you were like, "I'm 14, - and I love blackface." - "And I'm in. Sign me up." So, uh, in the episode Advanced Dungeons & Dragons – It's one of the greatest episodes of Community, but one of the elements of it is, uh, Ken Jeong's character comes in, uh – What's the word? - Drow. - Drow, yeah. Is that how you say it? It's like "drow..." It's like a night elf. Yeah, so he's a night elf, and he says that he's a night elf. But, uh, his skin is painted pitch-black, with white hair, which if you look at fanart, or if you look at artist depictions of this character, - that's what it is. - Yeah, in some canons they are - just pitch-black. - Yeah, and so – And so the show is having him do this, and then there's a side joke about, you know, Shirley says, "Are we just gonna ignore that hate crime?" And then he immediately, like, gets killed and leaves. The joke is how not-okay - what he's doing is. - Yes. And so there are – and so... To me, I was saying, uh – Oh, also the fact that they – You know, the show was criticizing, um, blackface in – or criticizing, like, the use of – it was saying "blackface is bad." - A brave take. - Yeah. And so... Uh, and so... The fact that that episode - got taken off of streaming services, - Yeah. I was a little bit, you know, critiquing that as also a, uh, surface-level take of this thing. Um, and that was the joke, to take a surface-level thing. Obviously, jokes are not allowed on Twitter. - Comedy is not legal now. - You used this weird – - "Paroddie," you said it was?" - Yeah, "paroddie." - That's when it's real and you mean it? - Um, but OK, listen. And you want it to happen to everyone else. That's right, yeah. So, what I will say, though, is that there are some people who believe that, like, there is no way, um, to even – to use blackface in a way that can even... Even criticizing blackface's use in media by using blackface is bad. Like, some people believe this, and I don't wanna debate the merits of that. But I found myself sort of in a – There was a small – There was a small quote-tweet. It didn't have a lot of likes, but it was like, enough people where – I'm sure you get this all the time and you're numb to it – where people were like, "Oh, yeah, the white half - really jumped out on this one." - Oh, yeah, I saw that one. "Glad I finally... Glad I finally, um –" or "never watched this show." Or, "Oh, he doesn't have any Black friends, so I stopped watching his videos." And I was like, this is so... I looked at the profiles and was like, "These are teenagers." - Yeah, no. - They're, like, so young. - Yeah, when you see like a – It's not anime. I don't know what it is. - It's like a different kind of art. - Yeah. When you see that, immediately I'm like, - "This is either a racist pedophile or..." - Right. Well, usually it'll be like a person of color as a character, so I immediately know, "Oh, this is a kid." Like, "This is like a 14-year-old, you know, zoomer, 14-year-old teenager, who's really invested in whatever this show is - that they're watching." - Yeah, and so that type of thing is so interesting to me, because... It's almost like they don't have object permanence. Like, if I haven't – If they haven't seen me – They've probably only seen me hang out with content creators and other people who have an audience, and not, like... you know, actual, like... And I do collaborate with Black creators. We've had, like – it's just a not-true thing, right? But it's so much less fun to chirp about. But it's so much less fun, yeah. But it kind of hits on these things of, like, um... the sort of – you know, we did an episode many years ago about, like, "Are you Black enough?" where, like, there's so much of wanting to take someone's Blackness away, where I did not – It's like, I found out I had a white father from a DNA test, you know, when I was 28 or something. Like, I didn't – I didn't know white people growing up. And so for someone to project this experience on me that I didn't go through and so confidently spout it out, is a... It's a – - it's such a internet thing. - Yeah. And I was like, "I just don't want any part of this. I'm no longer gaining anything from this." I got a lot of flack for even responding, which I didn't even say anything - positive about. - No, yeah. I just said, "It's definitely gonna go out of the target audience." Like, it's leaving the intended audience immediately. And people were like, "Of course Hasan is in here - advocating for white supremacy." - Right. And I was like, "Hell yeah." - That's my shit. I love that. Thank you. - It's so odd. So, Nick came on. We do teatime with Nick, and he shows me TikTok tea 'cause he's a TikTok tea guy. Everybody knows this. He's never done anything before that or after it. - TikTok tea guy. - He's a cyberbully. Anybody you don't like is actually his best friend. Yeah. So... So, he came on the stream and he showed me, uh, these girls. They were trying to be J-pop idols. - Ohhh. - Berry-chan was the number-one. - I think I've seen this. - The number-one lady. - Um... - It's like, kids? They're not kids. They're like young adults. They're, like, in their 20s. They're still young. And they wanna be J-pop idols, and it's like, cute, but it's also very cringe at the same time. But, uh, a big part of what I talk about always is how insane and unhinged people get on TikTok and on Twitter and immediately dox people, - and these people had been doxxed, right? - No! - [JORDAN] Fuck, come on. - So, on the one hand, we were just joking, making jokes about how cringe they were, but on the other hand we were like, "How insane." Like, "Please do not..." Like, "I can't believe people doxxed these people. It's crazy." So what ended up happening is, you know, I ended the stream, and then the next day I found out that, like, people were canceling me and Nick, saying that we were responsible for the demise of this J-pop idol group. And I thought it was very strange, especially because these tweets were getting hundreds of thousands of likes. Like, you know, people were like, "Fuck these guys. These people are just having fun. Oh, you think everything is cultural appropriation." I never even said that. Um, and... And that's when I realized, like – I mean, I've known this already, but a good defense mechanism for when you get "hate" online, a good way to realize that it's not real and it doesn't really translate to anything in the real world is, can you describe it to, like, a bus driver? - You know? - Right. Can you describe it, like... Can I describe this to my brother, who is, you know, - a dude who builds satellites? - Yeah. Anybody that's brain is not, like, radiated. Yeah. He doesn't – he has a private Instagram account Right. - with like 30 followers. Can I describe the situation in, like, under - a minute to him? - Yeah. You know? No. If the answer is "fuck no," then it's insanely idiotic and it's just gonna go away. It's not a real thing. It feels so real in that moment, where you're like, "These people hate me." And then you realize, "Oh, no, there're, like, genuinely mentally ill people out there." And you can't really tell because they're online and they have an anonymous account, and other genuinely mentally ill people are clicking "like." It's that easy. - It doesn't take any effort or time, - Yeah. so you can't think too much about it. They think so passively that they also retain really passively, so if you ask in a month, like, "Do you remember that Hasan and Nick stuff?" they'll go, "Oh, they killed someone? I don't remember, but I do care." No, one of my friends, um, had one of these things happen, where they got caught up in some super-viral tweet thing where everyone was saying that they were racist. - Mmhmm. - And the leader of this stan group that caused this, uh, a year later, DMed them and was like, "Hey, I'm sorry for all that trouble I caused. I actually have become a really big fan." And he was like, "You ruined my..." Like, - Oh, yeah. - "My mental health was in shambles," because he was pretty young at the time. And it was like his first, uh, entanglement with that sort of situation. And it made me feel – Like, he obviously felt really shitty about it, but I felt shitty too 'cause I remember talking to him through that. And it's... Yeah, he's talked about it now in retrospect, and like, he's compartmentalized it kind of, now, 'cause he's older - and seen more of it. - Yeah. But, like... I think if you're socialized on Discord you just don't understand the stakes of, like, - humanity. - Yeah. You don't understand what it's like to say something not with hyperbole, - to just be like a human being. - Yeah. And so when somebody seems upset – I don't know why it took a year for this person to be like, "Oh, sorry. That was fucked." That's actually kinda cool, that that person literally tried to make amends, in a weird way. - Yeah, they bought merch. - Yeah. - That usually never happens. - Yeah. It was wild. Can I be kinda fucking cynical about that? Oh? They're no longer getting attention from that. They are gonna – I mean, they're literally – we don't know their name, but we are talking about them now on a podcast as, like... It's like when fucking Rush Limbaugh was doing his redemption tour or whatever. It's like... - He was? I didn't even know. - Not Rush Limbaugh. Uh, Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck did his lot, and it was like, "Wow, he's a lib now. He's connecting with all..." It's because he doesn't get anything else. - "So now I'll just..." - Yeah. - That's me being very cynical. - Attention certainly is a big factor in it because people wanna feel... We're hyper-alienated. We're hyper-isolated. Society's super atomized. And you wanna feel a sense of belonging, and when you engage in this kind of behavior where you're like, "Yeah, fuck that guy. I hate that guy. You're so right," and you click "like" on it or you try to fire off your own - viral quote-retweet, - Yeah. like, there's a shared purpose there and you get some semblance of social cohesion. And it's something that we desperately seek out. - It's like we're social animals, right? - Yeah. So, it's really unfortunate, but I just kinda look at it now, 'cause I've been "canceled" – - Mmhmm. - Fucking bullshit. It's not real. Um, so many times. A lot more than all of your favorite content creators out there that you think have been canceled way more times. I promise you. Um... You did everything right, and they canceled you. What? I did everything right, and they canceled me. - This... - It doesn't mean anything, - at the end of the day. - The best example of this, uh, that I can recently think of is the song "Planet of the Bass," which – Did you see, uh, they performed the song at the Jonas Brothers concert - and everyone was confused. - Mmhmm. Like, the moment this hyper-online thing was now in a real place with real people, - you're forced to look – - And it's the perfect demographic. - You would think. - Like, the Jonas Brothers concert is literally like 30-year-olds that, you know, love the Jonas Brothers - from when they were popping. - I mean, and hey, they also continue to pop. Like, they've been having, you know, since their return together, they've popped. - They've had a few records. - Are you a Jonas-head? No, but they went, uh – they had, uh – - You were defending it quite vociferously. - No, listen. Hold on. - OK, let's get into it. - Jarvis is a scholar of this era. The year is, I don't know, mid-2000s. I'm listening to Radio Disney. I've got, uh, "Goodnight and Goodbye" - blasting on my iPad – my iPod. - Chris Kyle's alive. - It's a great time. - No, but, um... What was that song that they had? It was like a top-10... (mumble-singing) "Sucker." Wasn't that top 10 on Billboard? - I don't – it's not my era. - Oh. - In America, I mean. - No, sorry... - Sorry; this is – - Yeah, I wasn't in America at the time. - No, no. - Oh, this is recent. This is what I'm talking – it's very recent. Like, the Jonas Brothers got back together and they've had top-10 hits. Oh, is it the one with, like, "ooh-ooh-ooh, ooh," those little...? Yeah, uh... But anyway, the whole point is... Yeah, when was this? What year was "Sucker"? - Oh, it is? - [JACOB] 2019. - 2019, yeah. - [HASAN] Oh, damn. Yeah, so they came back. - Yeah, and they had some big... - Number one on Hot 100. Yeah, number one on the Hot 100. OK, so I'm just saying, they've had modern hits. Have you seen the – I mean, to jump on what you said before, the clip of - Ninja flossing in like 2020? - [HASAN] Yeah. It's like, this was "huge," and no one has any idea what he's doing. - Yeah. - The ball's going down. They're like, - "OK, man, shit." - Yeah. It's like... It's, um... On the Internet, really niche communities can have massive followings, and that truly warps our sense of, like, how actually popular they are in mainstream. Um, an example I used when I was talking about this exact same thing the other day was the one that you just talked about, the Jonas Brothers concert, where, like, when something that is hyper-specific but really popular, seemingly, online, - on Twitter or elsewhere, - Yeah. in the real world could be totally just - confusing to the average person. - Right. Like, "What the fuck is this shit?" Um, and yeah, another example's like - xQc is super popular online - Right. and super popular on Twitch, one of the most popular Twitch streamers. But, like, if we're walking down the street, the likelihood that someone is gonna recognize me over him is infinitely higher because of the nature of the content that I create and, like, the accessibility of it - in comparison to what he does. - [JARVIS] Yeah. Um, obviously it's different demographics as well, too, but, um, I guess the point I'm trying to make is once you start getting death threats regularly - you're not gonna worry about it anymore. - Right. Yeah. I think I muted a lot of words, like right when I first got in the game, and, uh, I haven't seen a lot of hate-crime-y stuff, but I think it's because I muted those words. Because I did used to get it a fair amount. I hope Elon destroys the mute button next. - Muted words. He's like... - Yeah, he gets rid of muted words. "You have to see the bum fights." Yeah. Yeah, dude. - "These videos go hard." - My whole Twitter feed is, like, snuff films. - Yeah - It's like... - So crazy. - "Hey, watch a guy die." - Yeah. - Like, "Crazy Clips" or whatever. Yeah, they're like, "You have to see LiveLeak shit." His idea of running a social media platform is awesome. - He's the weirdest man, dude. - And then like, even if you were some kinda psycho that wanted to those videos, the replies are – That's the worst thing, is replies now. - It's ruined. - Replies are bad. I love more good replies to interesting tweets than the tweets themselves. And now my thumb starts cramping. I'm spinning past a bunch of people called, like, "The Intellectual Marble Man." It is the dumbest people, 'cause, like, who would have thought, people who were stupid enough to pay $8 are not gonna have the best takes to be boosted in your replies. "You win the internet today, good sir." - It's just so bad. - Um, "This one made me LMAO." "I read this in your voice." Uh, yeah, going through that and ads and sponsored tweets in a reply thread, - it's just destroyed the app. - Yeah. But I don't wanna talk about that app anymore. It makes me sad. I wanna talk about One Piece, my new favorite thing. - [HASAN] Hell yeah. - Uh, listen, brother, I, uh, busted out some of my old Shōnen Jumps. I used to get these when I was a kid, um, and, uh, we have this – it's become a Sad Boyz... Sad Boyz inside joke now, but when I was a child and I didn't... I never actually read One Piece in these, - 'cause I was more of a Dragon Ball guy. - Mmhmm. Um, I had a friend come over, - and he was looking at this logo. - Mmhmm. And I was like, "Oh, yeah, Nepec? It's great." Because as a child, I didn't notice that – - Oh my god. - Yeah. But I've been – I have been, um... - Even a Nepec fan now? - You've been vindicated. I've been vindicated, because you know at the end of, uh... At the end of One Piece, um, - manga, there's like a Q&A with Oda? - Uh-huh. That question has come up. - Really? - [JARVIS] Someone was like, "Something, something, Nepec." And he's like, "It's funny how little boys and girls don't recognize the letters." And I was like, "Yeah, that was me." - But, uh... - "This is on you, old man." I – yeah, I guess we... I don't know if we talked about it, really, last... Um... Last episode. But we went to, uh, Kurtis and Jenna's wedding reception, their one in Canada. And... on the six hours of flights there and back, I speed-read through One Piece. So I'm now at, like, chapter 130. Oh, wow, you passed me. Wait, what are you at now? Like Wano or something? I'm at the – I'm before Alabasta, like right after, um... Oh, never mind. You're nowhere near – - No, no. - I'm way past you. Yeah, there's like 1,000-some-odd chapters. - Yeah, I was... - I'm like 10% in, yeah. I thought it was like... OK. I... 'Cause I recently got the mangas. Um, I sped through – I burned through the anime all the way to a timeskip, which I'm sure you've heard. - I've heard about a timeskip, yeah. - Yeah, so uh, and then the pacing gets really awful that for the next arc. Uh, which is when I was like, "I have to buy the mangas. I can't do this anymore." Uh, I've talked about it quite a bit. One Piece fandom will immediately recognize that. But, um... It's really good. So, you're at Alabasta. I'm, um... Well, so they just left, um... I don't wanna spoil anything. That's why I'm trying to tailor it. Whisky Peak is just finishing. Um... They're leaving, uh, with Princess Vivi or whatever - to, like, get to... - Mmhmm. Alabasta. So that's where I'm at. I've been trying to jump back in, 'cause it's been like a decade since I read One Piece. I have the same issue I have with Berserk, where I've read hours and hours of Berserk. Picking it up again now, I'll jump into a random chapter in the future and be like, "Oh, this is nothing I know," jump back again. Then I read five chapters and go, "No, I have seen it. - I know exactly what this is." - I hate that, yeah. That was like my big ADHD experience reading as a child, where I would reread things over and over again because I didn't know, like... You're an ADHD-haver, right? - Mmhmm. - When did you get diagnosed? - Laugh at him. Ha-ha! - When did you get diagnosed? The real victims of society. Nobody talks about our plight. - Everything we've been through. - [HASAN & JARVIS] Yeah. - Um... - When did you learn you had it, though? When I came to America, 2009. - Oh, right. OK. - [HASAN] Yeah. 'Cause I, uh, found out like... uh, a couple years ago. And it, like, sort of made my whole life make sense. But what was that like for you? How old are you? That's for college, right? Yeah, I was 18. I don't know. I just... I have a really weird approach to ADHD, where I just feel like it's just a thing, you know what I mean? I don't think it's weird. I think it's pretty normal. Well, people get really touchy about it, where they're like... I feel like people... - Like, ADHD Twitter, at least, - Mm. or ADHD-havers are a little bit sensitive about the way it's portrayed, like... It's, it's... I don't think it's as debilitating in general, I mean, depending on the severity, of course. But I don't think it's as debilitating as, you know, not having – like, not being able to see, for example. Yeah, yeah. I don't think – Yeah, you never wanna play that comparison game. But, uh... But it's just like, like, it's, um... Uh... I've figured out ways - to develop healthy habits. - Right. And, like, build a really regimented, very rigid work structure that I have to follow to a T, by the way, or else, like, everything around me falls apart, certainly. But, um, - I figured out methods of dealing with it. - Yeah. I think that bothers – I think when people feel underrepresented about anything, they are more fervent about who their advocates are and who their avatars are. - Yeah. - So if you don't do it right... Like, not a lot of podcasters are color. If we're Black wrong, - ooh, we're in deep shit. - [JARVIS] Dude. And, like, ADHD especially... I've gotten a lot of feedback. I've talked very publicly about what my medication is and how it balances out and stuff like that. My meds help a lot, but I can actively – Like, my chosen quality of life, the things I do have control over, are a huge part of it, and people don't like that. They do not wanna hear that. Instead, they wanna kinda give the responsibility only to their medical care, which – Others will be like, "No, it's only working harder, having willpower, and sleeping well." Yeah, no, it's not that – I think it's a bit of both. It could be a composite. Same with everything. - Yeah. - You have to eat well to get stronger, but you also need to work out. Yeah, the big one for me – I talk about this a lot – is, like, rejection sensitive dysphoria. - Are you familiar with this? - What is that? OK. I wanna describe this to you and see if it's something that you've experienced. So, I, like, throughout my life will sometimes feel, like, this intense feeling of rejection, where I'm being... Like, maybe it's a moment of high stress and I wanna impress somebody, and then my credit card declines. And then I go, "Oh, they must think I'm really, like, dumb and bad and poor." Or on Twitch chat when I'm fiddling with the audio settings and the audio doesn't work, and everybody's complaining at me. - Mmhmm. - And then I feel like everyone in tandem is mad at me, and then it can make my brain go into this, like, sulky shut-off mode. Uh, or a really defensive mode, where I wanna, uh – But whatever it is, it's this feeling of intense rejection. For some people, it manifests in, like, really bad mood. For me, that's more it. For other people, it can manifest as physical pain. Um, but not everyone with ADHD has it, and it's like there's – it's like a comorbidity or whatever. It's just a thing that exists with it. But that was something where I got sent a, um... A paper about it from a doctor, and I was like, "Oh, this is like..." This is why I would be kinda quiet in high school when my friends would make fun of me - past my threshold, you know? - Yeah. I'd be like, "OK, everyone really does hate me now." Um, but yeah. I just thought that that was, I don't know, normal. I feel – I feel that way too, but I don't know. I think it's scope shit. It's a scope thing with mental health, where like, people look into potentially having depression and then they go, "No, but everyone's sad." - Yeah. - "Doesn't matter. It's the same thing." You know? And it's... It's just more severe, I think. - Yeah. Um... - Do you think that has an impact on streaming at all? You got a lot of chirping voices. Um... Yes and no. I feel like, uh... I feel like my ADHD probably helps a lot in many respects, because I can move from subject to subject matter with ease, without even, you know, - thinking about it at all. - [JARVIS] Right. And ultimately, I feel like that is probably good, in a weird way, for people to constantly stay on and constantly be like, "What's he gonna do next?" Like, "What is he gonna cover next? What are we gonna talk about next?" Having Subway Surfers playing at the bottom. Pretty much. It's just like... I think there is, uh, definitely that element to it. But I've never – I mean, I don't know. I've never really explored the depths of that at all, partially because... I guess I'm a bit of a boomer in that sense, where I feel like I don't wanna hyper-medicalize everything, like every facet of existence, because I think that, um... It's not necessarily dampening it or, uh, refusing to reckon with it or acknowledge it, necessarily, but, um, I feel like, uh, working to overcoming it without being super hard on yourself, uh, has been a healthy coping mechanism for me in, you know, living my life without thinking about it too much. I think that's – I do think that's really, uh, healthy. I think not being hard on yourself is a big key, and, uh, yeah. It's just the way I – I mean, my shit, the worst stuff is just like, um, I'm in the pocket when I'm doing this. The way I describe it is like I get a sense of euphoria - and calmness from streaming, - Mmhmm. where no matter what is going on, no matter how chaotic my life is, when I press the "start streaming" button, - Mmhmm. - everything just, like, everything around me stops and I'm laser-focused. I'm hyperfocused on trying to entertain 30,000 people - for 10 hours of the day. - Yeah. And that gives me, one, a sense of purpose, but also it makes me very – Even if I'm having a tough time on stream or I'm angry or whatever, it creates, uh, a quiet in the world around me, - same with being on a podcast or speaking. - Yeah. But social settings, for example, unless I'm, like, goal-oriented in some way, I have a really hard time, uh, staying on track. I have a really hard time staying on track; I have a really hard time paying attention. Like, I do a lot of stuff that people consider rude, - and I don't mean to be. - Yeah. That is probably the worst aspect of it for me, is in social settings everyone always is like – I'm already like an intimidating-looking person, so, um, I think I probably come across very rude and abrasive - to a lot of people at first. - Yeah. Or one of those subtle-y, "I don't think Hasan likes me." Yeah, that was my take, I think, when we first met. Uh... - It's not like that at all. Like... - No, but I think... I think because we have mutual friends, I was able to, like, say, "I kinda got this weird vibe, but maybe that's just how they are." And they were like, "Yeah, don't worry." That's what everyone says. Everyone's like, "No, he's a sweetheart, but at first you're gonna..." That's what my friends always... My friends will always qualify my first interactions with everyone else. They'll be like, "No, don't worry. He's not like this. He's actually a really nice guy. He just... It will at first come across like he's, - uh, rude," which is not good. - No, but – I don't remember when we met, but I think I did have a little faith in it just 'cause... How many friends can we share before I just kind of assume that it would be fine, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. "I hate one friend all my friends have. He's weirdly mean," or something. But I really relate to the, um... - If I don't have a goal... - Oh, yeah. Like, I feel like, uh, in social situations, I'm like scrambling to find the, uh, the recipe, the program, the, um, flowchart of the social interaction if I don't already have it. "What's the utility of this?" Yeah, because my favorite thing to do is host, because then I always have something to be doing. You know? I can just bounce from person to person. Or if I bring my dog to something, I always have something to tend to, where I'm like, "Oh, yeah, this isn't weird. I'm just making sure my dog is cool. I'm not, like, antisocial." I think somebody – Maybe it was like a Q&A or something. Somebody messaged me recently. Oh, no, it was the fucking photoshoot we were at. One of the questions on it was, uh... We did like a little "23 questions" wander around. And, uh, one of the questions they asked was like, "Why'd you and Jarvis start the podcast? What's the context?" And I'm like, "I think we just wanted a reason to hang out." - That's real. - It was always after work when we were still at Patreon, and there's a fatigue, especially now in retrospect, with the, like, scatteredness of unmedicated so-and-so. I would get home and be so burned, be so fried. You'd come over, we'd sit down, mics on. This was, what, seven years ago? - Yeah. - And it's just fine now for some reason. And I still can't articulate why. It's like a mix of adrenaline and also, like you said, streamlining everything around me. I think we like being on camera. - We like entertaining. - Right. Especially, like – I don't know about you, But, like, collaborating for me is a different experience than doing something, um, solo. Like, streaming, because there's like a feedback loop with chat and stuff, uh, it kind of feels a little bit like collaborating. But when I'm, um, doing my normal job, if I'm scripting or something, - I need like someone holding my hand. - Mmhmm. Our producer, Anastasia, will just sit on Zoom with me and not even say anything, but while I'm writing, just so that I have somebody there. Or going to a coffee shop with somebody. Or even going to a coffee shop in general was better for me, when I used to live in San Francisco and I could just walk down the street, because my brain that always wants to – I have like FOMO brain, where I'm like, "Am I missing out on some experience I should be having?" Uh, if I'm at a coffee shop and everybody's working, I'm like, "Right, this is like a normal thing to do." - Yeah. - Like, the social proof is around me. Do you get like an adrenaline drop right after you stop streaming? Or does it kinda carry? You just go to bed? Um... I think when I stop streaming, - my brain is mush for like the first... - [JORDAN] Sure. Especially when I first started streaming, like, I would literally have like an hour refractory period, - Yeah. - where I was just like, "Do not... If you say something to me, it's gonna bounce off my dome. I'm not gonna hear it." Like... Nowadays, not so much, but again, every aspect of my life is regimented. I'm done streaming; I am either going to take my dog to the park and then play basketball with friends or, uh, I am going to eat dinner, walk my dog, and then watch anime for the rest of the night. - Like, I have a show that I'm gonna watch. - Right. Doing that after you've accomplished - the thing you were gonna do. - Yeah. So, for me, it's like... I don't have a single moment in the day that goes to waste. That feels very much like a... Not "it feels like a coping strategy," but it feels like a healthy thing to do for, like... It feels like you found the healthy thing to do - for the kind of brain that you have. - Yeah. Like, I wake up every day at the same time. I eat pretty much the same meals. I tweak it around a little bit. But, like, I will eat the same exact meal at the same exact time for six months to eight months on end without getting bored of it, and loving it like it's the first time I'm having it. And then one day I'll be like, "I'm disgusted by this. I can't eat this." - Yeah. - And then I switch it, and for another six months I eat the same thing. And, um, obviously I let loose every now and then. You know, I have dinners and whatnot. But overall, literally every single day my training, my reading, and also the podcasts I'm listening to to, like, try to keep up to date with what's going on, my research time, it's always the same every single day. For a lot of people, when they hear that they go, "That's insane. How the fuck do you live like that? That sounds awful." - I love it, because - Yeah. I've lived, uh... I've lived on this planet when I didn't do that, and I did not like, uh, existing like that. It was way too chaotic. This is also chaotic, but I thrive in this chaos because it's organized in a way that I want it to be. - Yeah. - Each stage of the chaos ends. I like that. Like, my G-cal is obsessive. I just like having things, uh, adjacent, not having that space where I'm like, "Is this when I shower? What do I do? Oh, yeah. - No, I shower at this time." That way I know that I've missed it or I will at least at some point do it. That's one of the reasons I like doing the podcast so much, versus like... BB, who's kind of wrangling the dogs, um... They've quieted down. They've probably petered out. She's been helping me out with production stuff, and I had been putting off recording an ad for... two weeks. It was due like the following day. Oh, yeah, I hate... That is the worst part about it. But recording with her on the phone, done. Easy. Immediately. But my video still isn't finished. That's really interesting, 'cause it's like... I'm gonna think about that. I might take advantage of that and, like, try to get help in that regard, 'cause there are a lot of things - that I just, like, always put off. - Mmhmm. And I will never do it. I will never, ever... Like... Like parking tickets. It sounds so basic, and it's just like, - "It's literally gonna take 10 seconds." - Yeah. And I just will not do it, and it just piles up for a year. Yeah. I mean, I remember putting off, like... When my insurance changed – This was years ago. I was at Patreon. Uh, I remember putting off a doctor's appointment for like six months that I really needed to go check out. And then when I finally did it, - the call took 90 seconds. - Oh, yeah. And that juxtaposition felt insane to me, but it was so hard for my brain - to get over that hump. - Yeah. I am still, right now, I think, uh, about 40% of my brain has been taken up with this, what feels like the worst, biggest obligation, and part of it's the trauma associated with it. But... I have a tiny, tiny, 5 minutes, 10 minutes maximum, task to do for my visa application. - Oh, yeah. - The current visa is amongst the most important things in my entire life. Now, 'cause there's only X-amount of time left, every day I wake up and I go, "Wow, this could be the last August 10th of my time in America." It's front-of-mind all the time. I wake up and go to sleep thinking about it; have done for years at this point. I have to update my résumé for the application. The rest of it's ready. And... - A devastating task. - I don't have to write it, just update it. - I have to, like, change a couple dates. - No. No, I totally get it. It has been seven weeks. It sounds – it sounds like such a simple thing, and it really is a simple thing, but I totally understand. Well, there's simple and there's easy, right? They're not quite the same. Sometimes a hard thing is very easy, - 'cause you can focus on it. - Yeah, I get it. But the worst part about it is - it weighs on you. - [JARVIS] Yeah. It being always in the back of your mind constantly. I gotta get new – I have to get new parking passes. It's been like a year and a half. I'm still working on the old parking passes, and I'm hoping that the fucking parking people - know the car and won't ticket it. - Right. - Sometimes they do. - Yeah. They started targeting my car recently, and, uh... And my brother's always at my house, so he's always taking my car out and putting it in the fucking, uh, you know, taking it out of the driveway. So now it's like I have to get it. It's been a year and a half, and it's just not that difficult of a task. I just gotta make a phone call. I gotta go there and deal with it. I've done it before. But it's just – I just keep pushing it back and it just... - It's like a bag that I'm carrying with me - Right. - everywhere I go. - It sucks – yeah. It sucks 'cause it is so simple to get rid of, uh, in theory, right? - You can't do it. - Right. Uh, the thing – The term for what me and Jordan were both describing is "body doubling," and I couldn't fucking remember it, so I had to look it up. But body doubling, it's like when you – and it's like an ADHD coping strategy, which is just like having someone present while you're doing another thing. It is very, like – I've always pursued really, really regimented self-care and house care, especially – keeping your space tidy, clean, etc. I've always liked the idea of, "Wow, I just finished my dish. Directly in the dishwasher." This is my first time living with someone. Uh, me and Ethan, ethanisonline, live together up the way, 'cause we moved back to LA at the same time. I always do it now. The fact that there's someone that will see it, not even judge me for it, but it's gonna inconvenience them or we're gonna run out of dishes and Ethan, you know, my son, little son, he's not gonna have anything to eat. Now it's – I don't know what it is. There is like this unconscious, uh – Maybe it's partially a kindness, but also just a responsibility thing. I also know how miserable I'll be with... Once there's a bowl on my desk, there's gonna be 40 in a few days. - Things spiral. I have to stop it. - Yeah. I have to cut the hydra's head off and burn it. Yeah, no, 100%. It's very quick to, like, - unwind, and then... - Right. and then have all of that fall apart. Yeah. I've had that happen, like, a number of... Just, like, simple things that change... Like, if you move or you have a trip or something that throws everything out of whack, getting back into the regimen, I think it's like the hardest... Like, that critical period. It's like if I don't get it back immediately, then we're in uncharted waters. It's bookended, too, right? Right before we went to Canada, I was useless. Yeah, I hate – that's the other thing. I hate trips for that reason, which is why when I do have a trip coming up I make sure that I have - my streaming schedule set up. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, when I went to Japan, I streamed six to eight hours every single day - when I was in Japan. - That was – I was impressed. - Yeah. - That's like – yeah, 'cause you – It sounds like, uh, you can't quit, but what it really is - is you need the regimen to keep... - Yeah. It's everything else that'd get shitty. But it still fucks up other stuff. Like, I didn't work out, you know? I didn't follow on my diet, and then all that stuff, uh, falls apart, and then I feel shitty about it, and then it makes it even worse. Um, it makes it even worse and harder to recover from. But, you know, at the end of the day... At least when I come back, because I've had this routine for so long, - almost four years now, - Yeah. that immediately I'm like... As soon as I touch down on US soil, I go and I train with my trainers at 8:00 a.m. the next morning, and then I'm back in it. I just, you know... The template. You don't spend a single day off. Yeah, no. I can't. - Yeah, we wanna go at some point. - I love Japan. It's the best. I gotta figure out – I'm technically on – There's a certain point where I shouldn't leave the country. - Oh, yeah. - Like, once the application's processing. But I think what I need to explain to them is that I have a katana already, and I don't know what to do with it. Right. And they'll say, "You have to go defend your honor." Then I'll do this, and they'll die. Yeah, you'll slice the immigration goons. Yo, wait. I mean, I feel – When we were coming through immigration back into the States... I wish I had my fucking katana. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Um, we were... We were doing, um, the immigration stuff at the Toronto airport, because, you know, uh, US and Canada, good relations, I guess. And I went straight through, 'cause, you know, US guy. They were like, "Welcome back, king." High-fives all around. - They're like, "Please, sir." - Yeah. "What up, my boy?" Shooting me immediately. And then Jordan, like, starts talking to the guy, and then I just come around and I'm waiting. And then one of the other attendants was like, "You can't loiter here. You have to keep going." And I was like... You should have been like, "I'm an American, bitch." - Yeah, "What do you mean, dude?" - "1 million subscribers, - actually, so step away." - Yeah, "Hold on." Uh, 2 million now, actually. - Just shooting you. - Yeah. But then the guy was being a dick to you. Yeah. "Hey, man. Um, what's this, uh..." Look, who knows what happens on the Patreon episode, Sad Boyz dot, uh, some bullshit. Patreon.com/SadBoyz. Maybe I'll say anything. But what I'll say here, on the public, reviewable- by-anyone episode, is that I respect the work they do. I'd say, honestly... - Keeping America safe. - Yeah, keeping America safe. No "back the blue," but back whatever color they wear. - Thumbs up. - Green, sometimes. Yeah, of course. Um... And hey, man, not at all was your behavior clearly some Stanford prison experiment bullshit, where the only way you can cum is by putting down a guy that's better looking than you. I think what bothers me about it is not so much – he was just being really obstinate, and there was, you know... There was – on my current visa, there was paperwork that – and this had not been communicated to me. Legalese, whatever – where you're supposed to have it with you all the time. Now, some people may claim, "Well, it was the rules. You should have covered that." Now, that's fine with me. Turned out the only thing he had to do was literally five seconds on his computer, mark, "Didn't have the paperwork. If it happens again, it's an issue." It was a yellow card, right? It shouldn't really be an issue. Man, my heart rate – I don't get heated about shit. My fucking heart rate is through the ceiling. Weird. But he – I think what I resent about it is that this... He was just being super obstinate and refusing to give me an answer on what was next. - Mm. - And I think he's very used to being able to intimidate people with the... Like, the dog-whistle of, "Wow, something might happen. Maybe you're stuck here," that I kept saying... I don't think he's used to people being willing to soft-challenge him. I was like, "OK, understood. My apologies. What should we do?" - [JARVIS] Yeah. - And he wouldn't answer it. He'd just be like, "Well, it's supposed to be with you." I'm like, "You know what you're doing. You're delaying this, 'cause the answer is 'I don't have to do fucking shit. - I have to do something on my laptop.'" - Like "I'm trying to teach you a lesson." And it was completely... I think what bothers me about it is that people that abuse even a soft position of power, it's just like... I don't know, everything we were saying about people chirping online and so-and-so. They're so deliberately not being considerate, because the thing they want is to feel good, at the sacrifice of, like... Like, hey, man, yeah, sure. I don't know the circumstances of all people's visas. I'm sure there's extenuating circumstances. But, like... I'm going to cry. - Like, if you keep pushing on this... - Yeah. Most of my life has been spent thinking about this for the last decade. Just don't, man. What do you get out of this? A little feeling? A little flex, real quick? Teaching an undocumented immigrant what's what. - Wait, come to think of it, brother, OK. - Hell yeah. Made me a patriot, I will say, of course. Move all the stuff I said. Um, cut that out. He was hot. He was so sick. - Yeah, he's actually my king. - He's so epic. Teaching you a lesson. Let's just, uh, land this plane. - Speaking of... - Should I get my shit together? Speaking of immigration, yeah. - Do you have a printer? - Papers, please. Um... So, uh, this about – Thanks, Hasan, for joining us. Thanks for having me. This was great. Always a pleasure. Much nicer, uh, than the people who hate you online would have you believe. And, uh, we will be continuing this podcast on Patreon.com/SadBoyz, - with Sad Boyz: Nightz, - (tiny trumpeting) the Patreon-only exclusive podcast, where something exciting is gonna happen. I'll say the thing I definitely didn't say - on this episode. - Yeah, we're... We're gonna mud-wrestle. We're gonna mud-wrestle. The dogs are gonna be playing. We might have a little cameo from the dogs. Yeah, that'll be fun. You can see them compared in size now, - which is surprising. - True, yeah. Uh, but yeah, we end every episode of Sad Boyz with a particular phrase: - [JARVIS & JORDAN] We love you. - And we're sorry. Boom! Unleash the dogs. - The dogs are here to say hi. - The squad. Oh, yeah. No, they have not stopped. - Have they been going this whole time? - [BB] Yeah. I gathered a bunch of episodes of Blue Bloods and came up with some fake names. In an episode list, two fakes. You tricked me! (outro music)

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Published: Fri Aug 25 2023