H3H3 On the Adpocalypse 2.0

so ad pocalypse 2.0 guys everybody's pulling their ads again and here we are in this familiar place it's like you when you know when you have like a nightmare and you're like wow I've dreamt this before mm-hmm and it feels familiar in a way yeah that's what I Apocalypse 2.0 is so the genesis of this was this guy mattes what is and he made a video that appeared on reddit now when i opened reddit this day it was like number one it had already had like 50,000 points in like 20 minutes or something crazy and i was like oh my god i knew immediately I was like this is not gonna be good and ended up getting like 200,000 points it's like the number one video on on reddit videos it's called YouTube is facilitating the sexual exploitation of children and being monetized 100 is that a dirt 181,000 now I'm not going to show the video I'll play it because the sound is all that's important the guy honestly shows a lot of like nasty [ __ ] yeah I don't watch it well it's hard because he show he's showing the content and it's like basically what I'll give you the breakdown let's say you go to a video about gymnastics okay so eventually the sidebar will recommend one with the underage girl in the thumbnail so once you click that then YouTube starts recommending more of these videos yeah and then when you click one more then it's like all underage girls but those videos are just kids uploading or a family and it's whatever like home video stuff just regular exactly right yeah but what's happening is that in the comments these creepy pet of predators are time stamping parts like he showed one like where their legs are open or you can see up their pants I mean it's truly repulsive [ __ ] dude leaving really disgusting comments doing [ __ ] like trying to get them to do challenges where like just repulsive okay really nasty stuff so the guy did good work and exposing something that really does need to be addressed with them um within YouTube and let me just play a snip of his video I won't put it on the screen like I said because it has pity point well it's like up skirts on eight-year-old girls I don't want to show that ya know I'm not saying into a softcore pedophile ring softcore on YouTube yeah that's a good way to describe here pedophiles are trading social media contacts they're providing links to actual child porn in YouTube comments they're trading unlisted videos and see great Pope's home and YouTube's algorithm through some kind of glitch or error in its programming is actually it's not a glitch or an error that's where you got it gets that wrong the algorithm is almost a victim of its own success it's so smart it's so good at what it does that most of the time the people that make the algorithm don't even know what it's doing it has one prime objective which is to keep people on the website as long as possible so there may be a pattern it discovered of people clicking through these videos and then clicking those ones and they watch them all and so the algorithm knows like hey when you click it doesn't have a moral judgment it doesn't have a moral compass it just knows hey when you click a video of a little girl doing gymnastics then the likelihood that you're gonna watch this other video of little girls plagued whatever you're gonna watch that whole video - mm-hm and so he's right when you click they changed it now but I did test it at the time and he's right it only took a couple clicks and then all of a sudden it was all real nasty [ __ ] disturbing - like there was a lot of times that's just how it works like you said innocently it just recommends you what you're watching so it's just logical that is logical that the algorithm would do that yeah and it and I do give YouTube the credit of the doubt in that I mean technically there's nothing wrong with the content it starts right it's just home videos that families or kids are uploading the content itself is finest exactly it's these innocent sweet kids that don't know any better and so this guy and a lot of people were calling for all these videos to be removed completely and it's like well you're punishing these yeah so we edit said kids I mean you know but but at any rate what was I talking about awesome I trained I thought so the algorithm you were saying that it you got it wrong that it's not an error right it's definitely as working as intended and so it's it's so hard for you there's so people you know when I see videos like this and the guy is hysterically hysteric people just you've got to understand the scope of YouTube you know is it really YouTube's responsibility to like the solution now is to close the comments so that these dudes can't like time-stamping be creepy and share contacts and all this [ __ ] which is fine but is it really YouTube's job to kind of like police that this this much I mean the parents need to bear some responsibility I if I had like a eight-year-old daughter I wouldn't let her have total immunity and I would see what the hell who like a lot of these videos had a lot of views as an adult why don't you have a look at the comments and yeah remove a couple or be like dude you're not posting videos here anymore yeah this is [ __ ] weird but a lot of the videos had way more views than they would ever just five we have like two little girls doing a gymnastics challenge there's nothing there's just two little girls having fun there's nothing inherently really entertaining that warrant these videos having hundreds of thousands of views yeah but so they did they had met some of them had upwards of millions of views it's like why what other purposes are washes yeah I think a large responsibility is on these parents that just let their kids go upload whatever they want and just think you know you gotta especially the Internet I mean for Christ's sake it's the Internet we all know that mm-hmm you need some you need to protect your kids from the freakin Internet so what was the guy suggesting well first though he suggested that we remove at all yeah that's not well if you want to have a policy of like hey you can't post videos if you're under 12 but it crazy it's like Wyatt why are we doing this to appease just because there's some creepy dudes we're gonna like no that's a complete extreme unnecessary so then they had a policy that they would disable comments already but it wasn't working that good because a lot of videos he showed the comments weren't disabled some of them were so now they're disabling comments on a lot of these videos which is fine but again it's just like because you I saw him also mentioning like sponsors and making it this whole thing but that's when he in my opinion took it in a really bad direction yeah and I really don't like I really don't like the direction it took I'm gonna play you a soundbite here here's a comment he left on that reddit thread he said I also have evidence that some of the videos are being monetized this is significant because YouTube's got into very deep water two years ago over exploitive videos being monetized this event was dubbed that ad pocalypse in my video I show several examples of adverts from big-name brands like Lysol and GLAAD being played before videos where people are time-stamped in the comments section I have the raw footage of these adverts being played on inappropriate videos as well as a prett evidence video I'm sending to all news outlets so he's he's almost saying first of all what is wrong with ads being on these little girls video and guys commenting don't negate that that's my point - and like why shouldn't there be ads on this video inserting the innocent video there's nothing wrong with the video itself Lee the fact that some creeps are taking the video and living gross comments on it that's something else so he's he's he's not explaining himself he's only saying it's significant because YouTube's got into deep water before so now I'm sending it to a it's like you have no so there now I'm starting [ __ ] again because I can really that's kind of the sentiment I'm getting just because I can and it's not the same before they had they had ads generally across YouTube with very little very little curating they had ads on like Isis recruiting videos and they had ads on all kinds of crazy [ __ ] so in that case there was a lot more merit yeah but now it's like oh people are commenting on videos of little girls so it's ad pocalypse 2.0 and sadly it were a lot of brands pulled out tons of brands pulled out but I just loved this guy he's like okay I'm gonna screenshot your video on this girl's video I'm a screenshot your ad Disney on this girl's video animus and I'm gonna send it to the news outlets it's like bro he's doing exactly what the media companies did in the first ad pocalypse to do as much damage to YouTube as possible without even except this time he doesn't even have a legitimate reason is because last time they somewhat had just because he can really and you brought attention to this problem and that's great but the whole brand angle was so unnecessary here I have a bunch of timestamps of him talking about it here let me play by the way he goes I'm gonna find an ad right now he clicks through 20 videos there's nothing there's no ads YouTube is not monetizing this content and the only thing he finds here I'll show you guys cuz I don't want to show his video there you have adverts come what he shows is what or to go oh why is it doing that hang on literally why is it doing that okay you see that comfy leather shoes 50% off it's not even a pre-roll it's some sidebar weird [ __ ] that's the only ad he found in like 20 clicks in his video just on the page yeah I don't even know what that it's not even a name-brand it's some weird [ __ ] on the sidebar literally above the recommended videos on the sidebar so again I find because he says he found the ads on all these major brands he didn't show any evidence of that in the video all he said was comfy leather shoes 50% off and he shows himself clicking through so so many videos I'm not gonna show it because it's really disgusting the content that he shows Danny's video now but I got a question and I don't I don't even think this but just to play devil's advocate for a second do you think maybe he did that because he felt that YouTube wouldn't actually do anything about her take action unless they're financially threatened by getting advertisement to pull out like maybe he just thought that that was the one way that he could actually get them to act on this well it's possible he thought that but it's not a good reason to go on his rationale is it's almost dishonest to take that route and that is the route he took because he's saying you aren't doing something inherently wrong by showing these ads on this videos and you should know better because who's making money from those ads the little girls who aren't doing anything wrong the bro what does it matter the pedophiles are making money if the ads were there or not it wouldn't change anything the guys are in the comments let's say he didn't find any ads on any of the videos it wouldn't change the fact that these petals are in the comments doing what they're doing it doesn't affect this story at all it's dishonest way to get attention it's not just not real I'm sure that is what he was thinking then but again before it was like Oh Isis is making video money nice is is making money or the he's weird pedo frickin creepy content guys had ads and they were making money who's making money who's getting these as these little girls these innocent sweet kids who are minding their own business mm-hmm so do you think if do you think YouTube would have taken care of this without that they are constantly but oh so so it is something they're constantly working on clearly they weren't doing enough right because this guy was able to find this and but I think the story is big be cut not because of the brands the story is big because of what he found the whole brain thing the thing to me is that you got to understand that how subtle these things are and like there's only so much you can expect of YouTube to be right on top of it immediately I'm sure that we're doing a lot of this work already but maybe not enough well that it takes time to notice something that it's a comment on a video sure right now it's a comment with a timestamp it could look completely innocent of millions of videos that are uploaded every day yeah a million comments left on YouTube per second thing is that YouTube this people up at YouTube that have influence over the company is very small a number of inner circle of people they have triage they address the critical things that they see as the most urgent so when this guy makes his video and then it becomes this whole media circus all the sudden that becomes the top of the pile of triage because they have to address this issue that that now is more urgent than it was before doesn't mean it wasn't on their list or maybe they didn't know it was so severe but there their resources are limited and they're always working towards something right there right though he just move it to the top of the pile which is fine but I think this story would have held on its own completely because people aren't people are not talking about oh there was ads on it that are not central to the story at all no it's not material at all I mean he doesn't even bring it up to like six minutes in people are captivated by the fact that this hominem is recommending these videos one after the other that's the that's the thrust of the story and to me it's interesting I didn't even imagine that that was going on with people commenting timestamps of moments and this whole yeah it was a fact he did a great job reporting that yeah I think he did a good public service and I think YouTube would appreciate even the the attention because now they they know of a problem and they'd they're addressing it right they're doing a lot now the thing is people it's so funny people are so weird with YouTube they expect YouTube to be utterly perfect there's nothing like it in existence nothing a place that you can come post whatever you want get paid for it you don't have to pay anything you don't it's totally free and then they say these people get so outraged like dude do you know how complicated that is the idea like a lot of times there are legitimate reasons to be upset you to it's just annoying when someone does it for the wrong reason it's like you just delete itemizing everything else you know I love that he's trying simultaneously to be a youtuber and to destroy YouTube a same time you know it's just you can only expect what do you have any idea that how can okay YouTube operates beyond country boundaries they have to deal with copyright law they have to deal with big media they have to deal with the legal issues of every different jurisdiction every different country that YouTube appears on on the Internet they all have different laws and regulations they have to have policies that regulates so many different things that's why I always hear people talking about making YouTube competitors and in theory it sounds so simple and it's such so great and so easy dude you haven't no freaking idea how insanely complicated it would take an Elon Musk to make something like that only another multi-multi like a really really unusual you need a genius and you need a genius team and lots of fun tons of money tons and tons and tons of money so I do think that YouTube deserve a lot more slack than I guess because it's so hard to appreciate the magnitude of what they do and and how much goes into making this ridiculous platform even possible to begin with where we all make a living them for Christ's sake you know they gave us 50 percent of the ads it's pretty crazy actually 55 percent yeah I always thought that was interesting 55 percent dude come on yeah um so let me let me play an excerpt again from the sky there you have it adverts comfy leather shoes now this video there are no timestamps and he kind of disproves himself when he finds that there's no timestamps there's only two comments on it so how is youtube supposed to know that this video shouldn't be monetized there's no signal I still don't think that it should be monetized I disagree with that point right completely but yeah sure exactly that even is debatable there could be it was only uploaded a little while ago but I have multiple examples of big name brands we're talking dodge ram disney in one video showing a furniture company in another where they're adverts are appearing on videos where pedophile where people users are time stamping the girls in compromising positions one of the other things that i want to point out with these video we're now liable for the comments i mean that's the central point right it's like a legal precedent US content creators are now liable for the comments in our videos and that will get us to monetize like come on now these kids now if you know and how do you do you really have to check every each and every comment because a comment is just a timestamp you know any timestamps all looking at it it looks like anything of course so who's gonna put so much time and that you check in each and every comment i assumes that because the algorithm has detected this pattern that a human has as well or that they even have a way because there's probably millions of these kinds of videos so just because the algorithm is kind of putting a thread between them doesn't mean that there's any way for them also to know which ones are the bad ones which ones need to be demonetised it doesn't mean that even humans have a way just because the algorithm has a common thread doesn't mean that a human can go in there and look at 90s string doesn't mean that at all they don't even necessarily speak to each other so right like you said it's not even really about the videos it's about the comment yes I mean actly and that's that's that's owned these so you know I would understand if YouTube was like you know if you're under 12 or 13 we're not going to monetize your videos and then when you turn 13 you have to send your parents consent mm-hmm but again you it's like how many regulations the regulations are mounting up and who's causing it youtubers because they want to be outraged and get a bunch of you know what I'm saying it's like a simultaneous being like YouTube is [ __ ] creators and then being like YouTube we need more regulations to [ __ ] creators so here I've got more excerpts and if there weren't ads on those videos those groups would still be there that's my whole point there's the ads have literally nothing to do with the story mm-hmm if Disney if Disney pulls their ads they're creeps are still there what does it like what does Disney have to do with someone commenting on a video give me a freakin break report out to every news outlet that I possibly can and I'm hoping that people will do the same to test us out yourself go try it yourself go up in a private window one more thing that I want to show is now that I've been looking at all this stuff once I go back to the main YouTube page you can now see how like look at how by the way just because it's showing a bunch of kit like here let me show he's like I went back on the homepage dude just because you're watching a bunch of videos of kids doesn't necessarily mean things going on you know you could if you're a kid you might be watching other kids videos you are watching yeah exactly you know watching my videos so again it's like I don't know it's so over the top you know so it's just so ridiculous so now YouTube's been forced to super overreact so now if there's inappropriate comments they'll going to D monetize your video and there's tons of good good channels that are now their whole channels their comments are being turned off and their videos are being demonetised like if you have parents and their kids and videos and this whole thing their channels are being let's say you destroyed genre huge legitimate you know families making content together so it's a whole thing yeah and then there's tons of brands pulling out I just like to be like why oh because there was inappropriate comments on a video my ad showed on what what what are we gonna turn off all comments across all the platform it's just so stupid the story is good the story is good you don't have to make it you know he he got so hysterical about the brand's it's like that was so so beside the point second there wasn't even any dairy was zero you know here's another thought though I mean and I'm just playing devil's advocate here but again the issue here is the commoners not the content creators and so is there anything YouTube can do to address that side of it I mean they've created an environment where people feel safe just openly making creepy comments on it like nothing's gonna happen to those commentators because they're anonymous and there's no real way to figure out look it's a it's a comments threat it's the internet dude right you can either be a parent and [ __ ] watch your kids remove comments don't be so [ __ ] lazy and just put your kid in front of YouTube and it's film that they're gonna raise your kid disabled the comments right or don't let your kid on or erase them or just [ __ ] except that the Internet's weird and when you put an eight-year-old out there you're gonna do weird [ __ ] the biggest right welcome to so basically the alternative is like scorched earth where now YouTube's been forced to disable ads and comments on a ton of video just so they can prevent the times when dudes live creepy comments on videos and advertisers get angry or I don't even know what because this guy's hysterical it's the internet dude there's all kinds of creepy [ __ ] YouTube is the internet that's what it is man you know let's just acknowledge that [Music]

Channel: H3 Podcast Highlights

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Rating: 4.8575554 out of 5

Keywords: h3 podcast, podcast, h3h3, h3h3productions, ethan klein, ethan and hila, adpocalypse, adpocalypse 2, adpocalypse 2.0, matt watson

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Length: 25min 27sec (1527 seconds)

Published: Sun Mar 03 2019