Gun Gripes Episode 67: Why We Destroy Guns

welcome back everybody this is Eric Ann berry from all spawn and gun and today we got another gun gripe episode for you today's a pretty good one this one's kind of related to us a little bit and you know we're going to be talking about how folks like to give us a hard time about blowing up guns and torture testing guns and we're going to lay out some of the reasons we think it's important to do that so Barry let's go down the list here what do we think well we've got several subscribers saying you know we're blowing these guns up and it's a waste and all that we do this to learn right people should be grateful to Eric and I willing to donate our own guns for this project now you will notice later you will not see any broom-handle Mauser pflueger's collective gun all these guns are low-end guns we're not we're not blowing up collector pieces even the Mosin again is not a collector piece well we will be getting to some more valuable guns as time goes on as time goes by we will but we're not sacrificing anything that somebody would absolutely want in their collection yeah I mean obviously obviously um so why do we do these experiments Barry we do them to learn we take the risk so you don't have to what if we proven by all this well number one guns are a lot stronger than people think they are absolutely a lot of firearms are typically very over built and you know I think that tends to be a common misconception especially about mill syrup rifles a lot of people think oh okay it's a hundred-year-old rattling piece of crap you know they see the wood stock that's beat up a little bit they see the action you know having some bluing loss and see in people's minds one thing that they tend to misconception wise is the cosmetic condition of a gun having to do with how good that gun is and that tends to just be the mentality of a lot of people as to how they deal with guns and when they grade what a gun is worth to them and I've seen it more times than not I go to a gun show and especially if I've ever taken a gun to like maybe sell to someone or whatever a lot of people say oh well it's just some beat-up old mill syrup with a crummy stock right no oh it can't be a good shooter you know those guns are obsolete you know and I hate hearing that that really gripes me and that's almost another myth and gripe Owen as long as how people complain about certain guns being obsolete but the fact of the matter is you know people go off of cosmetics too much well you can't you can't judge a book by its cover you can't judge a gun by its finish right you have to know the mechanics of the weapon you look down I've seen ratty guns that I say oh my god and look down the bore and its pristine the action is tight pristine but the gun has just been used a lot or carried a lot of whatever may be stored in Iraq and they slam the guns around dings and scratches on guns don't mean anything no they don't it doesn't mean a thing now you know like Nick's on the crown right damage to the crown yes that can have an effect on accuracy a lot of times if there's pitting inside the bore you know that can have a lot to do with be detrimental to accuracy we are going to do a firearms FAQ video in an upcoming video we're going to talk about how to grade a gun how to what to look for when you're buying a used gun alright anyway also let's see so alright we already covered that guns are a lot stronger than people think they are and what we learned too is guns we formerly had no respect for we do now right a good example is the high point video right one of our initial torture test videos me and Ray went out and tried to destroy High Point and torture test a high point we went into the video kind of jokingly and thinking that okay yeah this gun is going to be a pushover it's a piece of crap gun I went into it hating the gun and I went out of it actually having a little bit more respect for the little gun that I had before and I will speak for that high point - it was a used gun we had no idea how many rounds had been fired in it the trigger guard was broken the gun was obviously abused right but the gun I tell you what it taught me a lesson you know by the price about something and getting back to a gun looking good on a bad on the outside good on the inside you can get them reversed you can find a gun that looks pristine and you look down the boring somebody shot corrosive ammo when it in a bull shot out really really good example of that slightly off subject I'm going to cover it real quick though the Hakeem rifles semi-automatic 8 millimeter battle rifles Egyptian Hakeem very good high quality guns made on very you know good German January under German supervision but you always see those guns have like beautiful stalks beautiful refinished metal they look new but if you look in the bores on them some of them have really crusty bores and they have an adjustable gas system on that gun and if it is not meticulously well-kept the gas system in it will rot out like nobody's business and they'll be completely unusable regardless of how the outside of the gun looks so that's an example that we will cover in the other video on things that certain gun designs there's just certain things that you look for right and you know don't always judge a book by its cover also we learned that it took measures above and beyond anything anyone would do to blow these guns right this this all these guns that are blown up was something that nobody would could possibly do on a normal circumstance no factory load would replicate the pressures no hand loader ideally no hand loader would accidentally do that right put Rangers in a gun you would have to like purposely blow up these guns and that's one thing we find that the guns are very overbuilt they're very well engineered they're very well made and across-the-board I think that's going to be the you know the biggest thing with guns is that they are over built they have a lot of safety margin kind of integrated into their design and then obviously one thing we learn too is that hand loading data is very conservative very conservative you know if you can take a whole case of 54r like we did and fill it up full of 40 350 right and then cram a bullet on top I mean that's like 20% of the maximum recommended charge I mean you're talking the kind of load that no one would in the reasonable mind do well car seasons are loaded and no matter what caliber they're loaded to a certain pressure of point and there's no need to push there's no need to hotrod it past that that's correct when you hotrod something you can hotrod the hell out of a gun but for what purpose right the gains and velocity are rarely going to be worth that gains and pressure and I actually had an argument with a guy a little bit the other day he came in we were talking a little bit about pressure versus velocity and you know velocity yes as velocity increases in theory pressure increases but you really can't use that alone and indicator I mean yes as velocity increases in theory pressure increases the only way you're going to know if that pressure is increasing is to use a pressure test barrel but however it gets to a point with the low density in a given cartridge that once you approach a certain velocity pressures can spike very quickly to a level that is very dangerous so you know I think that using velocity alone is a very dangerous thing to determine right you know how hot your hand loads really are I mean we should look at pressure signs I'm sure Eric will agree if you got a load for 30 out 6 or 308 or whatever and you get to that you get to your hot rod it to the maximum it's not going to be as accurate either no yes sometimes when you load to the maximum and you you back it down a little you find out your groups tighten up right there so there's a sweet spot that you meet somewhere and that's what you should load we know most of the hand loads that I've worked up over the years that have shot really good are generally on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of charge and a low density I mean when you start getting to a point where you're trying to cram like an extra half a grain into a charge before it practically sticks shut on the bolt you really kind of fighting a losing battle I mean you need a more powerful gun if that's the case that's true you know you buy a magnum a 300 Winchester Magnum it for 3006 isn't doing it for you you know but anyway getting back on subject across the board hand loading data is very conservative these are a few that I that I did obviously you know we do these tests to show you know we we exceed the test that manufacturers perform on their firearm right all right when you look at the manufacturers and the tests that they perform on guns they do things like salt spray what they might have their finish they're going to test their finish and they'll have like a certain amount of hours under salt spray and they'll test for corrosion look for rust then other things they'll do is much like you know even a furniture company or whatever gun manufacturers will also have tests where like they might have a machine that holds a gun all right and all it does is that dry fires it cycles are slide dry fires it cycles the slide that's it this machine cycles this gun the same amount of force and the same man every time it's a machine and then they look at wear patterns they look at how often parts break those are the kind of tests manufacturers perform I remember years ago when Ruger was tet like a shot show in Las Vegas they had a machine with a single six revolver in it it cocked it and pulled the trigger cocked it and pulled the trigger throughout the whole week and the gun after that the gun was functioning perfectly they test that for wear and the manufacturers do that like Eric says they want to test to see how many cycles this gun can go mm-hmm even though they're not firing it it's mechanically cycling it right a lot of older go and it's dry firing right so a lot of times some of the older pump guns if you hotrod them and pump them real hard they'll break because they only have one action rod and they only got one lug holding the boat in most of your modern pump guns now have twin action bars and they're much much stronger so yeah they test them for wear as well as strength and everything else that's right so you know and then you have tests like the Glock tests of course everybody knows of like the Glock commercial where they freeze it in water and thaw it out and shoot it and they run it over with mud and and all that run it over with cars whatever I mean yes those tests are cool and you know I know it's kind of a cliche thing to like do the mud test and all that but it is a really neat thing to see you know just how well the gun will hold up to that type of stuff so some manufacturers go the extra mile and they want to prove how badass their gun is and Glock is one of those brands I mean they're not scared to get their guns dirty to show how strong they were well I think we've gone over the detailed test that the firearms makers do right and I think we need to explain some of the guns here and then we'll just wrap it up yeah Barry let's give them a short synopsis what we'll do here is we're going to show you some of the guns that we've done torture tests on in the past and a brief description of what we did you'll see a little video box if you click on the video box it'll take you to the original video if you haven't had a chance to check it out yet right Barry what's this one well this is the one we call nine lives we read on the internet that this man had been firing 44 magnums out of his 410 for years I said oh no no there's no way well I've been shooting guns forever there's no way the bore of this gun is way under 400,000 and you running a 44 caliber bullet to it so what we did we took it out we fired a 45 colt through it with no problem we fired a 44 Magnum through it with no problem we fired two 444 Morel and rifle cartridges either this gun with no problem and you're talking a rifle cartridge that operates in the 55 thousand psi range absolutely and we fired five 454 casull magnums out of this gun with no harm to the gun whatsoever yep what blew this up was range trash right we loaded the gun with a standard charge but using basically trash powder we swept up off the range very fast pistol powder shotgun powders all mixed together and that's what did our in but anything from the factory that we stuffed in this gun could not pop it anything we stuffed it and you have to remember to this is one of the cheapest shotguns made if this was an h NR the breech would be three times as thick right this gun is stamped steel receiver the receivers not damaged they just moved the top out didn't even warp the receiver if you replace the barrel this gun was still in would still be perfectly function ow what about the little champion well you explain that one because you've made a load that blew that oh okay well what we did here we were this is when we were experimenting with waxers and actually I think this video is not on YouTube anymore because I deemed it too dangerous to even leave up I didn't want anybody knowing about it but what we did is we took the base of the wad off of a standard target load we cut the bottom of it off and we stuck the wad all the way down on a standard charge and then we top the whole thing off of wax ended up being about two and a half ounces of wax as opposed to what little in the shot of wax mush a load instead of a about a 1 ounce charge which would be acceptable on a target load ended up being about a 2 and a half ounce load and that heavy weight and that start pressure created by that fast powder popped it what happened the load couldn't get pushed out fast enough so it exploded right the pressure has to go somewhere ok now and what happens there I mean that pressure if it can't build and push that plug of wax out of the barrel in time it's got it's got go somewhere I mean that's just Newton's law it's got to go somewhere this was a catastrophic failure this was it not only blew the barrel it ripped the frame it did it ripped the frame all the way down the samus's some veer pressure generated from that and this is the shell head that was left against the briefs face the whole shell disintegrated it sure did that's a lot of pressure that buddy here's a high point slide I don't know if you guys saw we did the high point meltdown there was a law enforcement buddy of mine that made a joke to me and said hey you know if you lay a high point on the dash of a car on a really hot day it'll melt what no way well of course it didn't melt but the slides are a form of zinc casting and we melted down a high point slide just to show people that you know slide melted at the same temperature as lid it did it melts at about 600 degrees so that's another crazy thing we've done with guns of course you know the recent Mo's and torture tests we did those videos haven't been up very long but I will include a link in there just so you guys can check it out if you haven't seen it yet they all look the bolt from the Mosin did not disintegrate we took a guy came in the other day after we showed him this and he wanted to buy the firing pin he needed one so we took the boat the boat did not leave this gun you watch the test the gun did not explode but the gun was totally wrecked Oh your action was wrecked no doubt now here's the magazine that we that we fried with wolf 45 HCPs in it it's right just on a lark to see what would happen yep just to see see what would happen if it detonated in the magazine there it is and you'll see a link to that video right I'm in the Box there this is a gun that my friend accidentally shot with a 45 this is a Ruger 357 magnum GP 100 and he had it laying on the ground in a gun case and when he went to draw his 1911 it went off and this is a the bullet actually split on the trigger guard he split yeah no doubt that's a one-in-a-million shot this is how he found it in the case now if it had been a half inch this way or a half inch that way nothing would have harmed the gun but it wrecked this gun we sent it to Ruger and I thought they could replace this modular system here but when you take the grips off the whole frame is bent so if you could ever get a gun shot out of your hand it hits with some considerable force oh yeah wasn't rip it out of your enough to know to bend that stainless steel you better believe it oh yeah but anyway we are not done yet when it comes to torturing guns we have some more torture test plan some of them are going to cost me a little bit of money but they're going to be fun and we're going to learn remember the whole point of us torturing these guns it's not that we hate the guns it's not that we want less guns in the world it's not that if the point is to learn and to learn as much as you can before that gun fails well it's like it's like a race car somebody builds a race car they want to know how many turns that engine can take before something goes wrong with it that's right every mechanical device is tested to its limit and we test these to the limit and beyond but here again in closing nothing that you could find in this store that would fit in this gun with Poppy that's right and that says a lot for a whole lot it either says a lot for metallurgy or the way that they're constructed or I think it goes back to the conservative nature right that factory ammo is loaded - I think that has a lot to do with it so we will be performing more torture tests we appreciate you watching this video if you had questions about why we do it there's why in retrospect I wish we had to blown this gun we should have saw how many 454 it would shoot right and I don't think it ever would again but if another one comes in will get it so well I want us to test ination off we have to get one because it's much stronger than this well in hnr we're gonna have to bore out because remember that they're the way the chambers are cut on them you can't drop a 454 in there or 44 yes a guy brought one in that I was going to buy every one of these rounds would fit in it did that yes really it was a Rossi so we may do that fit in the Rossi run the Rossi would but in hnr a guy brought one in and everything on this table would fit right in well next time we have one come through we're going to buy that little sucker and we're going to revisit this subject to get well I hope y'all enjoy the video and I hope we've answered all your questions or some of your questions and you know we're not trying to bust anybody's chops here but you have to our standing we're trying to learn something and we're teaching people and everybody likes the how-to videos and everybody likes the gun gripes and everybody likes the gun facts yeah we share it with the world I mean that's that's just kind of what we do and we're glad that a lot of you guys appreciate what we do and that when you watch the videos we thank you for watching and you guys have a nice night and keep on watching and we'll keep making the videos y'all have a good evening now

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Length: 18min 27sec (1107 seconds)

Published: Wed May 08 2013