Crimes that Shook the Nation – Upfront on JoyNews (10-10-18)

[Music] hello good evening welcome to upfront my guest today was a member of the Provisional National Defense Council the team that took over power 1981 I'm sure in his capacity as press secretary to the particular council of course he wasn't part of those who were the people consider to be the members of the council by you're part of the P end is the other time he'll give us some insight into what happened at that time especially for in our special assignment on crimes that shook the nation the member of the p.m. DC has also heard varied positions I should be interested in he was also very recently remember Parliament for whole century the Honorable captain in photo you're welcome thank you three I must leave you see people call your captain for you to forget the judge in there but I hope you are doing well yes and yeah I felt a good shape I mean times because of your military background well my wife also takes good care okay that's it enjoy today's our 37th an event okay great congratulations and you've brought me here oh well this also important as no matters I'm sure he would agree now we know that testifies is a McCool brought into place the PM DC and much of what has happened over the period is the PN DC as we remembered to be perhaps the longest staying the military junta in this country because you're actually from the Tet first Azima eighty one third to time our constitutional rule it was in charge you are in charge of press press in this case the press liaison officer yes press that's how you call it not a member of the yeah yes there's a costume you know popular concert yeah but what was the job of the press liaison officer then oh like it happens today you have a press secretary okay you know to the president okay and who reports on the president and the council as well so he more statements emanated from my office you sat you cancel meetings sometimes oh that's interesting to note that now the understand we have many have of the and if we heard some alluded to before he said appear this was a brutal regime is it true which are the requisite tools I'm talking about some of the Dinos lawyer some would say yes I do say he would say I know you say yes I don't know what he has against the military people by then I know you say black wire yes yes he who's a list of 200 people to other people that vanished he said were killed at some point in time but they were never a conclusion to what happened to them the perpetuators and stuff like that did you ever see the list no surprise have you seen it - yes I have actually seen who I am same he mentioned them he greeted them according to regions those are sometimes ordinary people and others to position for example in the photo region where you come from he has a list of three traditional priests who were killed bent just by the way the judge which we know was no secret it happened it happened right unfortunately yes by never what's the bottom of the matter well it was investigated but it's up to date as investigators know the council will hand it over to the investigators to work on yes and if they didn't get to the bottom well that is it so today there's nobody prosecuted for the clan of these traditional priests not that I know but we know those who arrested them they said to a military man yes so so they couldn't identify them well they didn't do it in the open yeah I didn't do it in open they did in the open people would have pointed at them but if they did it you know secretly we're all concerned it's not that we enjoyed those things you know when the Revolution brought out of hand it got out of hand yes sometimes of course a revolution what do you expect it's not a normal rule it's not the Constitution the people I supposed to be in charge were not in charge yes we are supposed to be charged yeah what happened we really officers when the men are holding guns there are times that we are able to you know calm them down someone who does also think you know it was just an easy thing as you are saying I don't know if you were born we did all that we could and in the end we see okay now somewhat quickly also believes that of course he admits that you the people are supposed to be in charge when knowing control is it true that offices were having pistols and other ranks were actually having bigger guns machine guns officers don't carry big guns machine guns that's for soldiers obsessed keep peaceful space now work for us okay yes this was unless you're an operation you know facing the enemy and you decide to use a bigger weapon another off says work on personalities so you say that was standard practice it was not a sign of a failed system it was not what was in the carrying of weapons a hookah with which one you know when it happens and so just grab guns and in their hammocks time to do some in the end we're able to descend we did yes okay now let's understand this properly how did that PN DC receive a notice of the abduction and killing of the judges see this abduction of judges it's a very serious matter it's not as if as I said we enjoy you know seeing people suffer their appearance there are breadwinners you know so when it happens this way we are all confronted by the issue it was a very difficult facial essentially very distraught situation especially when you didn't know who did it I wasn't clear it wasn't clear how clear it was not known to the P NDC why would this be and she asked people to go and measure you know human beings I don't think it happened because of some people made some people may conspire do it yes but then the council I don't know I don't think the council can ask anybody go and kill people the conclusion by the national reconciliation commission was that the P NDC was ultimately responsible for the abduction and killing of these judges which meant missing the pianist I didn't specifically mention them but at a point in time it talked about who the masterminds were referencing the si B reports and other things well and so far did not leave no point to that individuals have they yes they actually did at that section and that suggested that if you will I can actually read you these particular sections on the finders that they did so in import importantly they made reference to but was the pn d c-- in and of itself worried to the point that there were much more interested in getting to the butter bottle of the mata in this case otherwise why were the people are arrested even a member of the pn d she was arrested spanglish to be fair this poor fish you want a mantra symmetric wave has more in charge of tu CFS wake up group means it's not good bad baby back go back to records and see a math equation in the revolution he was a member of the combs yes it's not without doubt but so who had a big fish in there so i'm at the core it's not the only person that was actually indicted but was never put before trial isn't also tell me for example captain Shikata was a member of the pn d c-- was indicted was never put before trial indicted early bad the SI b why was insufficient because i mean you should know why should I know why should I know you I'm not part of this IB yes I catch a point I'm not part of this happy so I said be found something they are not able to implement it why do you push it to me captain you spoke for the well called pnd sometimes yes Alice sometimes you cannot tell me that you are not privy to the reasons why the legal side that is in the very words of GE ka Casey fact he said that was an opinion anyway that the reasons for him not putting caps educator before try at that time you cannot say you don't know I don't know I didn't know why I was not communicated to the leadership of the pn dissident who d cake is the man that was appointed to be the Attorney General you're not way so you didn't know the reasons why I kept teaching at house not put before try another way you went two other times even when they all happened I'm sure now there are some interesting parts that ought to be for example in Georgia the Coons book on the killing of these judges yes yes the opinion on that I mean to be able to get the bottom of the matter and fully reveal everything there were some questions that people ought to answer include the chairman of the pn d c-- at that time you know no not to take you too far yes what i know leading to the abduction of these people what I know what I can tell you is the fact that it's all about the curfew you know as was the case a few hours for example when they are siema of the graphic and others interviewed the secretary for interior interior jony rajdhani Hansen okay about the curfew and he said those no need to change the curfew then a curfew hours will remain the same but soon after that that was on the 4th of June 4th of June by the 11th of June there's a press conference there was the press conference by a multi-way you didn't organize this press why didn't organize he didn't know anything about it I had gone on when I came back the Pressman the normal presidential press will be in my office and they were transmitting they are story so I said hold on a minute what story is it so when you away I might take as much the council has asked you not to listen to anybody you should only take information from the press office or from the council why did you grant interview why did you allow so much ground interview to you hold on a second so I crossed the street I went to the Chairman's office and asked if you're so he said was not away what is it about I told you so no stopping no because we have issued statements already you know to the public and also to the press that lets you take information from only my office and even the chief of staff issue stuff issued a statement so here you are they were up to their task sending messages as storage to their offices so I asked them you know to desist from it I appealed to them to kill the story they didn't agree they left for their offices and the story went up but you know when this thing goes out I cannot go back and say oh we are sorry this story - he didn't reverse that particle with you know we did reverses it was wanna see okay so let me be clear because I mean what am I to quit did value what time did he put the care of you if I can I thought I thought he brought it down to six o'clock well when I went to records today you know at a graphic and so on I didn't find six o'clock but what he said was that anybody found in the curfew would pay five thousand cities and that time five thousand was money and also a week toe as a hospital equipment rehabilitation program and that other vehicles you know roadworthiness people who pay two hundred thousand you know anywhere continent he won't diplomats he won't utility service workers you know to carry their passes in their pockets go anywhere in the curfew so soon after that within the same week the judges were abducted you connect these two events yes that I just went to the press I saw them they are they they are here with me within one week within one week you know the people had abducted it sounds strange right yes by also so that I mean even for members of the PLDC they were not playing by the same book this information was really to be actually yes because they were all normally they are very busy and whether the press reported it or not they may not know I was the one who knew and I try to kill it but I couldn't kill it so it went out so you're saying that America wanted to abduct judges that is why he lowered the I don't know I will attack you you've told me the other day you want information I'm gonna get information you are saying that there's a linkage between the two events well why because the people were abducted in the curfew yes that time everybody was rushing normally when they change a few hours or when they announce new curfew regulations find people running whom you know before but I know that the people were abducted during curfew hours so the decision to change the Kathy time it was wrong right it's what's wrong I had no approval from the house so it so I Matic we acted sumoto well as far as I'm concerned you know I'm not a quick know that because it's dead let me tell you a multi-way would always come to my office and say hey you suggest you I became the revolution code I'm making code cold your soldiers you are making the revolution code you will any family entered on the ballot will tell me this you see that's why after all this you know I tried to reflect you understand I try but I cannot put any blame on him if the code found him guilty there you have it you see I'm not I'm not drawing an alibi for anything but I'm telling you you want information so this is what I'm telling you that's what I know I see now that he was an individual so why wasn't it reversed they saw motor decision by a Marta Quaid to change the time before the curfew well why wasn't it reversed I think if that was the cause of the abduction well I don't know because usually when you really unknown something and then you go to reverse it it's like there's no unity but obviously the man did it without approval from the highest office he acted in a way that was not in conformity with the procedure I put in place now who knew what so he was not was not punished for it he was no reprimanded we did I'm sure your soup remanded by Lucy because because the chief of staff after that issued another statement you know about Mickey statements you know anyhow by again that specific decision on the Kaffee was not reversed no I don't remember investing it yes and you also said that this does not suggest to anybody that appeared is he knew about it they asked him to do it in any way no no I well at least the one who should know you should know was the one I asked if he was away and he said so far it was not way here was not away I crossed to his office my office was on this side his was here so I told the Pressman wait wait let me check on this story because I thought it was an important story so I went to him and he said before I got back they had left they had left the office and when I call the offices they told me oh captain we had this on television and it's on the news why why are you saying which will kill hours and that's what I heard from the graphic okay that's interesting to this now there are some interesting elements to all of this it tells us how the pianist was running it doesn't also how some of these things were led to go by but you are saying that you cannot conclude that the man deliberately tampered with that Caffey hours to commit the crime I am giving you information whatever you want to do with it that's the information you have I'm not going to tell you I'm not a CID man or a si B man you say that I'm not a crazy idiot deliberately but I'm only giving you information which is backed by documents here okay documents here I've just made photocopies from the graphic okay I can give them to you yes they are like that okay I get your point so there's frequent swallows yes the sequence follows that's the interesting part anyway now let me be clear my mind the understanding many people have about how strong men run they stood at that time it wasn't so right strong wasn't a scene for example for a human we were human you were strong they were human that's why we use civilians as our secretaries I say we only back the Revolution we use civilians as our secretaries should history to reach the PN DC as successful military junta that year that was not a successful one not led us into this to attract a democratic state but many believe that I would have been a an ordinary I know my church actually because when you make provision are ten years you should I spare some change along the line you know it is the setting up of the governance institutions okay that makes a government stunt you know that I get yes you see in the past before seized power and Hannah Nova c-span and Hannah robot without doing anything but it is because of those governance institutions we established that this country has gave back it's you know prestige so the pianist was not one set up purposely to has that vengeance to put up vendetta no so you know if things went haywire you can expect in a revolution you are history student yeah fact I am you see lives are concerned okay so I don't want to talk about this thing sentiments are there I don't want to talk about this if people's parents you know prominent people abducted and made hit yeah that's true Oh be happy about it I am a father if I didn't have life would I be here today little bracing my test seventh wedding anniversary was the turret was the PN DC interested in attacking the judiciary why was it confrontational what you just told me about a missile cruiser - yes so in every country you have soldiers and the Judiciary so that's why I'm asking the question in this case because you set up the public eye beam I was purely is PN this equation right yes so like you set up almost like a parallel institution to the judiciary no it is because they didn't want to take part I don't think anybody after we had a very good lawyers and the judges yes yes very good ones you know them yes yes this is unknown is there yeah I guess the point physiology crab is there there are very prominent lawyers and judges they were part of us no question here is that the PN did you ever had a problem with the judiciary no I don't think so really and so why did you set up the public I've been out then it is because they said they were not going to sit on any case because they didn't recognize our government really yes of course which of them says so of course they said I mean if the coop I want to know illiterate which which which a country which country's lawyers or judges are not judges lawyers has to be specific and tell me which specific individual judge lawyer said that they were not going to recognize their P NDC administration you know you take how judges because judges don't make sense yes so lawyers oh the Bar Association dead I mean judges don't mix it means have a c- understand that so but you are saying that you are not going to really they didn't recognize was he talking about the bar so she she members absences I'm not talking about judge the BIOS in a position to meet other words that's why it does which comment they comment about not recognize I didn't mention it so who said things that I was happy and disease I spoke about lawyers so who said that which lawyers specifically which individual made a comment that the dirac you don't take for example who we're making our other college our are you call the Parliament before we started the parliamentary service okay we have to make lehand their laws and we're doing a our laws that's why we have tailors and seamstresses and the carpenters you know helping us to make laws for this country okay so because the lawyers boycotted the formulation of laws yes that's why if they recognized that they wouldn't have by quantity but I get your point but the decision of the lawyers I know was to boycott your public arena and other courts which courts I'm saying that the lawyers decision which I know of which is on record at one of their meetings was to boycott the public arena and other courts because they were officers of the court and they had not refused to attend to called cases my question was why did the pn d c-- set up a in us when there were cuts in the country it was supposed to run parallel to them why is it inadequate well no that's what we found necessary where the courts inadequate their course yes well sometimes yourself and sometimes many cases go to court you know how how it goes it takes a very long time so that's even why we set up here this this Court's Electronic Arts okay in the past but that's too quickly but that's part of the courts it was the judicial system that said that put up together yes this one was outside of the judicial system it was a creation of the dinner circuit if not of the judiciary at a time do you find anything not right about because sessions W sorry Lindy interviews yes he's a fantastic man and so any difficulties that especially the multi for the P NDC in dealing with charges it was a revolutionary government you know that I get that place so I mean look at France so your post judges your post judges no we didn't oppose judges that's why I'm assuming what whether PM DC were the PN DC the institutional in this of members of the P NDC were you worried about the decision of some of these judges on the Air Farce it cases no Kel worried at all no excuse me ing see why we worry that they attach in the cases because the law says don't touch them and let me tell you my story until we until we we came back myself fellows on Rowling's squaring the signifier will go into court okay yes we are going to court why about some of these cases when Flyleaf now Rollins was becoming popular because the court was always filled when you already appeared they dropped him and then Sabathia and I were the two who presented the former government okay near browse identify hidden and then a court adjourned - I think 20th of January and then the revolution that fed them are taken place but I dressed up and went to court okay and then the judge asked us always that outside my court so they returned oh it is a captain Fujio you know the FRC cases and that's why he's here Oh young man young officer don't you know there's a wind of change that's when he asked me what was that supposed to mean that is a new government so it was not relevant anymore that you no longer had to pursue the case ha that's that's what she's told me it's on record okay I get your point earlier called okay that that's an interesting development better but my my my but nobody nobody pursue a lady well as far as I'm concerned nobody pays with any judge because we didn't like them or because we were touching you know cases you remember that do you remember that when we left obviously in 79 we set up a special tribunal and we put justice urban there you know to review some of the things that we did you know that review some of the things that we did and those things that we thought were you know too much you know he manage people's cast we're packs because the chat with a child you know and then they jus fuel from smugglers casts poured on you know somebody by Dragic peasant who is around and running his vehicle because he overcharged you know the poor field on it and rented such things you know we knew they were excessive we knew they were so we set up a tribunal to look at those excesses so it's all us as if we are interested in spoiling things and laughing over it ourselves you know prepare the ground when we manly man came this album was at the State House you know doing that now the claim that the pianist was at the helm of this you say is not true right Lachlan of the judges and was away and mastermind they say I'm saying I am NOT away I'm not saying it's a gun shortly away I mean why would I lie to you yes I got you why would they even do that but I wanted a definite statement that said that a PNC did the P NDC did not mastermind that P NDC was not involved those who carried out carried out not what I do when I came here I came to give you information to further a year yes but I'm not here to talk about the judges because nothing pricks me I don't want to talk about the people's parents but I love it was about reason why we should get to appreciate and understand what happened them more see so please that one live it out I only came to volunteer information I get it and if you work with this in you will get at the but you get to the bottom only thing as far as I'm concerned is unless you think otherwise no I am pleased by the kind of information you are giving us on this particular issue and it's pretty exciting to know that some of you are still willing to volunteer some information on this matter as you go through don't feel easy go to all the press houses the records are there follow some sequences and then see how it goes I see yes I told you the other day that the people have been tried as far as I'm concerned they are the people they found guilty and so on but if I mean there's any further attempt to look for those who committed that crime why would I sign against it no that's actually not really the case as in most people interested in the interested in learning from their own history their interests are you having the unadulterated history you H star TV chula ought to be dealt with now tell us about the things that the P NDC did that they ought to be remembered for what has led us to this fine disposition you know we are enjoying the freedom that our forefathers fought for we are not fighting like other countries did we brought you know this country all along to this place and I believe that that coup has ended or crusing cannon okay the 81 yes it has ended or cruising gonna because now look at what you are doing you are here G TV's day and a station Saturday who is going to come to your studio and see the hypocrisy of the sauce government is so I'm seizing power who look it's only your limited audience that will see it he will not go far when we had GBC only we had only GBC anybody who quick came to the studio one day see so we have been able to bring this country to this level and complete freedom everything you want you have it I'm sorry that people had to sacrifice their lives for this is not the best s on the base I don't think any of us is a different human being you first in the pnd sierra or working around the PNG sierra where we are if you like everybody we feel we have feelings the claim that's the pnd she actually had people who were insensitive to the happiness all the time the x-axis of the period is it true I'm telling you that by all means in every situation they will be excesses but I don't necessarily have to ask you to go and do this it is what you have in your mind you see oh I have this power let me use it this way that is just it's not mine if we get you punished you do you think we didn't punish our own people we punish them do it want us to announce to you that we are punished this by the police this one because he has done this no to affirm Attica as a member of the P and easily put before this public arena yes centers and you see something our own I mean if you do it why should we hide it and it's not as if we we wanted to do something so bad in this country for our name to remain as the West government no we have become the best government this was the best government I mean I compared to all the military junta so really of all time our rule yes yes and what we have led the country into captain lamb take a break when I come back we'll continue this conversation I think there's a side of the pnd set out to be poetry to the rest of the Republic so that they have a full appreciation trying much really what really happened after the break we continue our conversation with Captain George info Joe it was actually the press liaison officer what we call the press secretary today of the provisional National Defense Council the period that he actually rained was between eighty one after the time we got a constitutional rule back on track for the Fourth Republic in 1992 we wanted a conversation you welcome back to our front my name is Raymond aqua in this conversation we're seeking to understand going to the minds of the PMD C of 1981 December forward up to the time we actually move into 1992 when he had to hand over on this platform I'm sure you've heard from people like John in the Boogie & Co describe and discuss what it did specifically under the rule in times past on this matter but what we have today is the man who was depressed circuitry then called press liaison officer of the PN DC at the time captain George in for Joe he later became a member of parliament for Howe Central and come to you or come back thank you yes so I didn't leave I did quit and then I left the army I went - I'm gonna go - auntie yeah before the honeymoon before becoming not what we are discussing of course yeah alright now let me understand this so how was the reaction by George Orleans when he first heard of the incidence of the abduction and killing all the judges see I am I'm not here I'm not here to defend anybody no not at all - yes another one sir I want a true account it's not about defense I want a true account of what happened I did not see him at that time you were close to him so when you are invited to be told what will that happen what was the situation at that time he was not happy of of course obviously he was so happy and because I could even get close to him he has sent for me and when I got back you were standing in the center of a of the regiment on the road and then other people you know nobody was close to him his bodyguards were also you know a bit away from him and I realized that he was in a very tense mode he was in a very tense mood you know and I also didn't I received it from him because you see he was somebody who was most of the time indoors okay and so he would tell us go out and discipline the men make sure that they don't bring problems you know whom to us you see so when I got there and he saw me because usually when something happens and I come maybe we have to help organize a press or a press conference or a press statement so when I got there I thought that was the only thing but he gave it to me he gave it to me as if III was at any fault he gave it to me I couldn't stand him I couldn't stand him so I had to get back in fear he was she was really really tense I've told you that I am NOT here to polish anybody's image but I'm telling you what happened okay it's interesting so you wrote statements for him right it depends on what statement okay if it's not from the council if it's something you know about the council yes do you know the first time that you're on his head of this incident are you away well you go away I don't know I I was saying 4:00 in the morning okay yes this was which day it was second third fourth I mean maybe if the thing happened in the night yes yes that was in the morning the next morning yeah that was the next morning I see that was it in his phone if it happened you know in the night they know so it was wise that this was Thursday in the morning yes yes okay interesting all right so he then was insistent that they needed to investigate this was he no no he didn't I'm not an investigator so yes he was not happy he was not happy it seems that we are not disciplining the soldiers enough we should keep them under check you see he doesn't have the chance like we have to go out to be out there with to be I can't go I can't go to my house I can't go anywhere he was always in the room so he expects us to discipline them to be had on them you see I mean you are an officer you must not be afraid of your man you should be able to talk to your man and put him on the right Road but if he understand that things were seemingly out of control it depends on what it was you know things get out of control in what way okay but you said that because of the situation then it was not well you know when he starts we call upon students action okay everybody grabs a weapon from romwe so it takes time to do some them okay and put them on their proper place but Mac you ruin a battle on we were 779 were in a phibn that's Anakin barracks Ted phase December ruin a Conda barracks you see gonna box the recce regiment and they have their own armory and so on and people you know from adjoining battalions and distance will grab their weapons and come to headquarters so you don't know how they go there yeah they are weapons so you have to you know all those people out there they want action they want you know something to do the the you know they grab a taxi and go out to the market to extort money to do this you know it was if you saw it you wouldn't like it but so it takes time to calm them down to collect those waveforms and same people back to their units because when you happen later everybody comes like smarty like they all come but it takes time to dispense them to let them go back and keep profile discipline you just say that he had actually said this military men were out of order and I mean you guys needed to put them in the right procedures the so just so just interesting yes yeah that means he knew that we should bring them on track he knew the next day that this Act has been committed by so yes no I don't think so because you said that he was saying that we control you know we control the screeching situation okay so it's evil and even if they were civilians how do you allow them to abduct people and take them away yes that's what it means okay so he didn't just reference soldiers it's the security situation yes but when did it became obvious to him that this abduction was done by military men to get out before he knew in the pnd see I wouldn't know because I don't know when the investigators approached him okay because I'm on the second am articles account was that on the second he had told him when he asked him about finishing them and killing these cutting I'm asking a question that this is what I matically said so I was trying to find a phone deed by the second the channel of the P NDC I've gotten to know that this incident happened and that the people had been killed by people he knew I believe well I believe it's only when the chairman sends him to do it as a chairman we want to hear this account I don't know yes if Rollins didn't send him to go in I've done why would you go today officer and say that I don't I don't believe you don't believe I'm I don't know I don't believe it well I wouldn't say I don't believe it if the investigators did they believe it the investigators believe it the investigators okay what they are actually stipulated automatically and made several accounts different pirate and somebody who is thinking will hold on to a strong I see yes because I mean if I call them the big even here it happens in your workplace it happens people mentioned a big big man's name and get away with things don't they yes okay so that's just what I was doing I don't know okay no I'm only saying that dog could be the thing if the really wider if you really said it yes if one woody said if the man didn't ask him to go around site was a PN DC really necessary I've told you already no I talked about the biggest achievement of a louse action to you on hand site was a PN DC really necessary it was necessary you are suspecting that if Lamar continued wouldn't have been anywhere near where we are today you that's why I say go back to a record even his budget was rejected yes yes even even even he said party general circuitry you know what happened to him someone had to take over from him there was chaos all over I think contrast way giving out you know let me tell you about him and when the man want power when Levi well we we supervise the elections hmm why we'll talk about June 4th we supervised elections and then LeMond won when he took power we'll brought him to Erica Martin said if you wouldn't mind let's help him you know to clean the party okay Apache we said it it was reported on press instead no I have my own broom that's what she said okay so we left him to do his work you know because we knew that he as a civil servant a public servant he was because there was nobody he was put there you know to do somebody's bidding that's why we tried to help him why Lamar was a puppet he was a public servant yeah it doesn't necessarily mean that she was a puppet okay I get your point I will not refer to my ex head of state as a puppet okay yes but that's what happened because we knew we knew he would be you know health here and there you know make me give me this go back and look at the contracts that we awarded the principles of the P and this was probably accountability right yes did you live up to it yes it depends on your marking scheme tell me the phase that I did that show us today that you lived up to probity accountability I think we've been able to steer this country to a very comfortable you know that's public art ability that were very comfortable position no I just want to be called democracy to take over probity accountability because you know even if if there was only one person you'll still find him very wrong we were human beings so you don't expect us to be 100% you know I get your point so the question marks in you is that what are the examples today does suggest that the p ND c lived up to his own Creed of probity attack accountability yes those those who who lived during the time you know not people like you either be stealing them yes it's still in them you know we are human that's why after all this we still go back and do certain things otherwise it's not necessary you know not the coffee right he was a regional coordinator of a sod he was original circuit for the water region what Kofi nanny coffee nanny yes something explode an explorer SP yes yes you know him right yes he says that the pianist you feel completely when it comes to these ethics and these standards he's not the man he's not the standard-bearer is a member of the P and E it doesn't matter people fall out you know that yes I know yes sometimes the revolution canes on this own child too so when it happens that way it depends I don't know what you did and why he would even retain around and you know make such a comment now what's your job as press listeners a very difficult one it's a difficult one because of these things did you have - did you have to lie on behalf of their pnd never never once never not a single time if it did would you have told me why I'm like you I trained I said John and it's like yes that's what Mac said so I'm not only a soldier and the journalists like you if you did the judge tells the truth then I also stand to tell the truth I tell the truth really all the time yes what we were never made to misrepresent any fact no no no no the press statement of Cameron is on the foot were you away on the photo of July did he make a press statement or he addressed yeah Dresden issue yes very much so yeah transition yeah yes because you are aware excuse me when you kill people's daddy's so on write a statement and you know true it's our two people and this way judges there especially yes yes so he told about deaths that he did this go back I remember what she go back for the tip plate and look at his countenance yeah look at his countenance and whether he enjoyed it okay but the point I'm actually making is that you need to so that's the day before I was put out there the statement yes it was written by the council oh okay that's interesting yeah no because that was the young nutrasweet Americans proud to this statement proud to this statement because I might okay saying I'd met him not told what are happy to the judges in this statement the chairman of the p.m. DC may declare that he didn't know the people who are actually fat he said were enemies of the revolution but we're not right by that no by that time if you didn't know who did it who could it if we have a government and then you come behind us and abduct respectable honorable judges you know bread winners and one made Adam you understand me yeah if it's only a callous person who do this so why would we feel so he didn't think the least I believe he didn't think the least that it came from within he didn't do so I don't think so okay even though I might okay uh that's why on the second he told him that who did it if you believe that you got me challenged that's what we challenged before by who by anybody involved in this none of the probes since the SI B's which has challenged this account well I'm not they will have to go instead ease myself again why you know the history yes I know but this is something that I'm at equate he he confirmed a metric we told him no he has not confirmed because it was about that's one of the issues do you think that a former president should have appeared before the si B you see no that one leave me out of it really it's a question I should be interested in answering oh you think so why did let me tell you something on page 16 of jacooz book you miss a specific reference that to be fair the SI b to the SI we do if they are sent a questionnaire to the chairman and his wife on the issues accessing these specific questions as to when he was told by a matter Cuevas away his July fourth broadcast to it really had been told by way as alleged then what was the motive behind such a broadcast and his pronouncements why the Jeep was parked in his house the circumstances under which the keys were left on the dining table whether or not the Jeep and the chip itself were being kept in the house and of course if yes what was the reason for the initiative is what was using committing the crime in this case was it packed because of the crime was it well the Jeep part because of the crime I thought that was where the Jeep was always packed yeah it was always it was always in the house I see yes so not for this it was not for the purpose of the abduction that the jeeps were sent there so the conclusion is that if the si B had sent a questionnaire also to the chairman of the P NDC axon these questions and its wife specifically asking these questions maybe without getting somewhere with a story and well if you open back the wounds call a jacuz you know - no but Jenna the kuma is not actually a part of any tribunal now is he's a file that is there yes yes I know yes there he knows more about this than I do nobody is saying in his book - my suspicions were put to what they call the chairman realized some of the issues that be resolved do you think so so once I was somebody afraid to ask him to put it to you no but he was now in charge of that he was taking evidence from the SI being used into process opinion yeah that's you disagree soup in another judge or lawyer who find a different is it is the P and D C been bastardized today I think since you started this program yes a front will kill the judges ah I see since join news put out the document here yes that's why I asked you yeah without you were looking for the killers or the respected judges you know alive I think the matter has been concluded well miss kita you want us not you were immediately but when crimes are committed yes no matter especially the custom acts in you is one opinion you know I cannot come in city icon cannot agree to come and sit yes and agree to lie yes I agree have kids are have a family yes today I told today is the seventh anniversary of my very much so yes this is a simple question max yes what's the matter concluded this matter the clear the judges well for me so far as people have been tried and sentenced we only appeal to families concerned to please accept it okay I get your point because you don't need to go scratching it's painful even for me it's painful I see you see a woman sorry when I write in a book on your role in the PNG see I'll be accessed some of you this question I'm not getting responses that I like when I write to your book dolly penis yes I worked as a teacher yeah I've worked as a journalist I'm sure now this as controversial as a soldier yes I've worked as a miner in a gold mine of wealth as a DC I worked as a member so well if I have no lazy I should be able to come out of the book I'm pleased honestly about who killed it you agree I mean don't you you you carry on with the Kokila judges and if you need information come and see whether if I go back to the press I'll be able to get you something I will be very pleased to do so but for now I appreciate your coming it's been wonderful and we appreciate the community and affirmation you shared with us today captain for you what my guest was press liaison officer of the P NDC at a time folks thank you so much for watching today's edition of a fraud

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Published: Wed Oct 10 2018