Game Theory: Halo Armor's FATAL Flaw!
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Channel: The Game Theorists
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Keywords: halo, halo 5, Halo (Video Game Series), Halo 4 (Award-Winning Work), Halo 3 (Award-Winning Work), Halo3, halo5, master chief, Master Chief (Film Character), spartan, spartan armor, fps, Shooter Game (Media Genre), game theory, Game Theory (Field Of Study), matpat, matpat game theory, matthew patrick, Video Game (Industry)
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Length: 22min 35sec (1355 seconds)
Published: Thu Oct 29 2015
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I'm kind of disappointed with Mat on this one. He was doing pretty well for the first half but in the second half I feel like his theory falters. Putting aside the idea that obviously a spartan can be killed from a melee attack makes for fun game play that's why they get killed. I want to draw to attention what MatPat really should have seen, i'm not going to discredit his theory of a Spartans neck breaking severing their connection to the suit. but seeing as not only are the suits outfitted with explosives that are armed to detonate if anyone tries to take them off in the wrong manner, which is a security measure to protect against people stealing Mjolnir Armour, the suit has it's own sort of form of exoskeleton that moves, which has enough strength to destroy the arm of the marine that put one on I'm almost 100% positive someone has accounted for the variable of the spartans neck breaking, being wither the suit locks or self detonates. However seeing as were talking about a neck injury, when clearly we saw the suit was linked to the back of the SKULL not the neck.(edit2: or rather that the connection is in the top vertebrae that connects the neck to the skull, meaning the connection to the nerves to the body would likely be severed but connection to the suit would remain) a broken neck would not sever the connection to the suit. Not to mention that if a Melee attack was strong enough to cause the Spartans neck to break under the weight of the helmet (which the Spartans neck is augmented to be able to carry) a lot of basic movements would kill spartans, including a basic jump.
So what would kill the spartan from a mele attack? Well in the books matpat briefly brought up but somehow failed to mention is other spartans, all with amazing capabilities John never had, one being able to sprint at inhuman speed of
90 mph(edit: actually Kelly087 can run at 38.502 MPH in bursts reliably, making her the fastes human, John117 achieved 60mph once but the strain caused his Achilles tendon to snap) , another one able to lift a wraith tank like he's just having a work out. And let's bring back the part where the marines arm was destroyed from just moving Mjolnir Armour it's blatantly obvious that these suits combined with the wearers augmentation grant them INCREDIBLE strength. I'm talking enough strength that a punch from masterchief could be comparable to the impact of a bullet carrying behind it 1000 pounds of weight moving at ridiculous velocities. While a punch at that speed wouldn't even dent a spartans titanium Armour the person inside the Armour would feel the impact with incredible force, probably enough to rupture organs and possibly even break those augmented bones.And before anyone argues that Masterchief survived a fall down to earth, there's an easy but kinda flimsy explanation the game gives you. the Suit masterchief uses locks to prevent any motion and the Gel layer of the suit cushions the impact to where the spartan can survive, this would still kill the spartan probably but the difference between that and a melee attack is that the suit had a chance to prepare for impact where a melee attack would be sudden and the suit could not compensate for the impact to protect the wearer.
Overall I feel like he phoned in this theory for the Halo 5 sponsorship money, he can't really apply that much logic of modern day body Armour to a suit of Armour that's basically one step away from being a mech suit. He obviously did his homework at some points of the video to learn this much but I'm surprised he never drew the same conclusions I did seeing as he compared the spartans strnegth to the ODST troopers strength
Mat totally missed the point that when you melee, you are meleeing with another Spartan suit. The arm of which probably weighs 30-50 pounds. That much speed plus that much weight would rattle any helmet even 100 pounds.
Firstly I just want to address that ODST did not have its own multiplayer and you never fight other humans in the campaign, so that whole point goes out the window, even you mention that they have weaker punches because they're not wearing power armour rather than some half baked nonsense about their necks not snapping.
Secondly are you really just going to ignore the fact that you might get punched somewhere other than the head? The "one punch" kill is when you back-smack someone, this would have been a much more interesting thing to look at as it is far more consistent as you can only get ninjas by hitting them in the back, whereas you can get a normal mele kill anywhere, even in the foot.
Thirdly, they really dont get crushed by the suit, in H4 chiefs suit gets knocked offline by the diadact (sorta he still has a hud somehow.) and he can move it, just slowly and with a lot of effort. and in the book Last Light Fred has his suit disabled and doesn't get crushed, he cant move, but thats because he had the gel layer lock up due to high pressure, like an unintentional version of what happens at the start of H3.
Fourthly, this video really wasnt up to standard honestly, it didnt feel organic, like you had a cool idea and explored it, which is how most of your videos are. It seems like microsoft handed you some money and told you to make a video about Mjolnir by the end of the month and this is what you cobbled together. i just hope those $$$ go towards making a good video, that you actually care about. Remember what you said audible lets you do in the latest Film theory?
Combat skirt, you say?
I can't wait until MatPat has a guest that doesn't look like he wants to kill himself whenever he's on screen.
Between this and the Rainbow 6 video, whenever they bring in experts the experts have a look on their face like "remember the paycheck, remember the paycheck..."
MatPat, you're awesome, but I'm a little disappointed in you here. You've overlooked or glossed over some well known facts about the Mjolnir Armor, as well as some obvious implications that really kinda change everything.
The first that was missed is an entire layer of the armor's defenses: its shielding. The Mjolnir Armor projects an energy shield over the entire surface of the armor, deflecting damage. While this isn't a huge factor to the theory, it does need to be considered because it would certainly increase the amount of force necessary to break any neural connection to the suit. This also means that the soft spots pointed out in the video aren't soft at all. They are, in fact, very fortified, if not as fortified as the more heavily armored areas.
The second is that the nanocomposite layer isn't quite as weak as suggested. It's considered armor, and while it may not be as strong as the outer layer of plate armor, it is ballistic grade, thick, and designed to deflect damage. While the nanocomposites of today might create weaknesses in the material as you suggest, advanced nanocomposites in the future, where the atoms are knitted together in a specifically engineered pattern, might not have this disadvantage. In the video's example of the fence having pieces replaced with cloth or plastic, future nanocomposites might be more akin to weaving the cloth or plastic between the links of the fence without taking any links out. Or maybe the links themselves might be arranged in a stronger pattern.
The third thing that is somewhat glossed over is that the Mjolnir Armor has undergone many, many redesigns and upgrades. This is mentioned, but the full implications are not. If there were a weakness in the area which protects neural connection it would have almost certainly been identified and corrected. This isn't a guarantee, but it seems unlikely that such a fatal chink in the armor would be anything but a top priority for engineers working on the next generations of armor.
The fourth oversight is that the Melee attack doesn't just work against Spartans. It works against Elites too, as well as other Covenant. There is no indication that I'm aware of that Elites have neural links on the backs of their necks to be shattered. So if this was a weakness caused by the neural links, why would Elites be weak against the Melee attacks too?
But the most important detail, which this video touches on and alludes to many times but fails to really consider, is that liquid crystalline layer which allows Master Chief to move his armor with his thoughts. That layer, the Polymerized Lithium Nibocene Layer, is more or less artificial muscle, and it turns the Mjolnir Armor into more than just a protective suit. The Mjolnir Armor is powered armor, meaning it artificially augments the strength of its wearer. By a lot. Look at some of the feats Master Chief does in the game. Despite the weight of his armor, he is able to jump and run around like he weights nothing at all. In fact, he can jump higher than his own height. (He stands 7'2 in the suit, and has to accelerate 1290 lbs, his suit plus himself, against gravity to above that height. I'll let you do the math.) In games he is seen flipping Scorpion Tanks and Elephants, though there are speculations that this isn't entirely "cannon". Either way, Master Chief's augmented strength is simply obscene.
In light of this, it's no small wonder why a melee attack does so much damage in all the Halo games except in ODST. It isn't that the normal guys lack some vulnerability inherent to the Mjolnir Armor. It's that they lack the strength inherent to the armor, which makes the melee attacks so deadly. The already incredible strength of a Spartan II plus the augmented strength of powered armor would probably be more than enough to smash through the shields of the Mjolnir Armor in one blow, and then crush the armor itself and whatever's inside it in the next – even if you didn't hit the neural link or even the neck. That's why it works against Elites and other covenant who lack this hypothetical weakness, but only when a Spartan does it.
Or, it could all just be a stupid gameplay mechanic. But hey, that's just a theory...
I liked the video, and as someone who doesn't know anything about Halo, it made sense what he said. However some points might be false, like in many of his theories, but that's okay.
Though, I completely missed that it is sponsored until the very last minute of the video. Before that he says "So I sat down with Microsoft" or something like that, that sounds more like he simply talked to them. Real disclosure is something else and its really disappointing that MatPat basicly avoided telling most of his fanbase the truth about this, simply so more people watch it.
Edit: Just to be 100% clear.
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/ftcs-endorsement-guides-what-people-are-asking
Never touched on the fact that in games where melee is deadly, the attack comes from other spartans, whereas in ODST it's other regular soldiers. Maybe a spartan punch is enough to knock out another spartan's chip, but that punch is gunna hit like car crash.
Pretty great video, though a simpler explanation would simply be that you're a Spartan, hitting another Spartan. Armor or not, that's going to hurt.
Also, shouldn't MatPat know all of this armor science from his Bulletproof skin Film Theory? He sounded genuinely surprised at the talk of polymers and such.