FULL VIDEO: KOJO TSIKATA/OBED ASAMOAH FACES-OFF WITH CHRIS ASHER

recalls berima awachi accountant ii also known as mr chris asha mr chris commission also invites captain richard kojo chikata and his legal teams um i am um thank you oh he said chris asha the other time you swore before giving evidence today you are going to be crosses down by captain koyochikate's counsel so you are reminded of your former oath my lord witness minor office former with all right thank you milord and members of the commission i i i suspect that i may be overruled but i have a preliminary point that with the kind permission of the commission i would want to make all right the point is that when i testified here i testified against kojo chikat i never testified against any captain retired chicago the man sitting there the guy sitting down there is not a captain retired he was cashiered and thrown out of the army and lost his his rank and ever since that time he is simply and he is simply chicago simplicity for purposes of identification i would want to know whether the same person is sitting down it doesn't matter who he whether he's doctor or captain or whatever it is he's mr kojuchikata yes okay so as far as we are concerned he can take any title which he wants we are not going to investigate to find out whether he is entitled to use a qualification or not so please let's all become and then i'm obliged to go through the proceedings all right thank you dr please go on mr chris uh in your evidence you stated that captain chikata had taken an action against the national security agencies for harassment and that the case went before justice at jepong now as a matter of fact that case was heard by suggesting rojako lord i'm very honest i can see that there was an error under the circumstances and the conditions of incarceration under which i was working on these paper papers there was an error but historical inaccuracies in the bible have never made the bible unauthentic so one single historical inaccuracy which i am honest enough to concede would not render what i have said and what i have to say unacceptable it's not necessary just answer the question and let's get on if you are patient enough we shall find out whether you have only made one historical inaccuracy now in your evidence also at page 12 from the transcript of the evidence you were seeing that america and co were arrested as a result of the swift action of iran pardon me as a result as a result of swift action by either nasa president and go let me read it to you so that yeah you can refresh your memory yeah that's right i've heard it my lord thereafter that is that picture of me lord hello thereafter everybody knows that the killing backfired because immediately the information came out there was an uproar and the uproar is what brought about the immediate arrest of these four boys through the very quick and swift action of mr j.j yidana the boys themselves told me that is your evidence yes good now at page 15 of your testimony you said that this i'm reading again a lot from the top of page 15. yes what was there in store for the boys and this more serious part of it was that when it became obvious that america was talking chicago's got major buddhism to sign for america's arrest on august 4th 1983 you will remember that america was arrested and detained together with michael senior then it goes on to say that uh it's rather lengthy but there's the other part that i want to go on to because i don't want to uh so so he said so um okay just in order not to confuse him i think i'll read the whole thing confused they became the idea was that they had plotted the coup it was not plotting the coup this is how it happened kiwa i met him in a vision and he told me the story in confirmation of what america said they became when i said they i mean rollins and chekata became worried about disclosures to the sib by america america knew too much so they commissioned giver to arrest america then it goes on further today so america was arrested he did not protest giver put him into an armored vehicle brought him to the bni now how do you square this up with your claim that the arrest was a result of swift action by iran my lord i think there's a great obstacle officiation of the issues in the mind of doctor somewhere either nurse action referred to there if you were not quoting out of context with ace when he was mandated to lead the investigation into arresting therefore arresting the suspects or whoever murdered kidnapped and murdered the judges that is the swift action of jj idana i referred to now referring to the arrest by uh do chicata has accepted and i read the statement on the internet in the united states he filed here that america wanted to state a coup and so he had his arrest my contention is that based upon the information that america in general confirmed by the dua himself gave me he was arrested on the fourth america was in fact asked to come to the head office invited there through lieutenant richard adam that is the man he and rob rollins sent to invite america from the broadcasting i asked america hold on sir hold on sir you you asked me and i'm entitled to answer hold on say and i asked america why would they ask lieutenant richard adam america's answer was that they wanted to avoid any of my friends coming in case they would refer or they would grieve me on what was happening so richard leftland richard adam went to the broadcasting and asked america to come and see the chairman when america arrived corporal adebuga and i think corporal hamidou one of the other co-operators were on the veranda of the chairman's office america then asked uh that the double guy to permit him to go and see the chairman and the guy told him that they were having a meeting so you should wait then whilst waiting juar came out of the office of the church chairman and asked america to see him in his office i suppose probably i'm not too sure a double guy also accompanied them there and you have told him that america they have asked me to put you under arrest knowing that we are likely to have a shootout please don't resist and i will just not we will not have any shoot out america did not resist you jewel put him into an armored vehicle took him to the bni came back and told him him that america did not resist he said oh god he didn't resist this man that man sitting there that guy sitting there so he said you can do without your drama oh god let's give the evidence oh god he didn't resist i mean uh do i said he did not said listen go back take him from there and take him all the way to someone between bni and somewhere whether he receives or not eliminate him kill him at that time they didn't know that jiwa himself was harboring misgivings about them jewel took america to insane the president there and never did what they asked him to do so the two are clearly the distant and different and have no relationship with each other i had a very simple question for you and the simple question was that you claimed on the one hand that america and co were arrested through the swift action of iran then on the other hand you are saying that they were arrested because captain chicata and uh president rollins got major uh biedema to sign for the arrest and that the arrest was done by giving one and the same person doctor obeyed someone you are either misunderstanding intentionally or you've lost your former brilliance i knew let me tell you either i didn't ask you to tell me anything more than tell you that because you have asked me a question sir i will i will answer your questions if you don't want me to answer say so good good okay everybody knows it is a notorious fact that idina was the man who was chosen to lead the investigation into the arrest of whoever kidnapped and murdered those four persons and i say he was very strict i command him even though for his reward he incarcerated him now i am talking about the arrest of america on on august the 4th of 1982 which he himself came here i saw it on the internet that i'm like i was going to state the coup and i'm saying that it was his issuance it is in his chromosomes to devise means of any kind that is his habit we know that so there are two different issues don't try and confuse the truth i know you had a brilliant mind when i was a young member of the bar if you have been contaminated by him i'm sorry let's have the next question next question please thank you for that concept but you said in your evidence which i quoted in page 15 that when it became obvious that america was talking shikata and rowling's got major guidance to sign for america's arrest now whom was america talking to that led to america was bewildered whom was he talking to which you know made captain and jj he was asking questions i i was not his bodyguard so i wasn't following him to know whom he was talking to but america was bewildered by the according to him why rollins went on the air to denounce the murders at all because america he likes rollins very very much he doesn't like this guy he suspects him but he likes rob rollins so he was bewelded why rollins went to the air and denounced the murders when america had been lived passionately and this is why i said sympathize with the guy that it was a national endeavor so america started hunting him and hunting america trying to find some answers to what is all this about that is the talking i mean listen the sib the inaugural meeting of the sib was on the 10th of august 1982 and the first session of the sib was on the 17th of august 1982. okay now from ireland idaho's book it shows that just let me get the page at page 157 to 158 yeah you can have a look at it if you have a copy it shows from page 157 to 158 that america was questioned for the first time on the 10th of october 1982 in the afternoon that is when america started talking in relation to the murders and at that time america had already been arrested yes so his arrest would not have been because he was talking about the medic doctor abed somewhere i know you you were a good lawyer you didn't study english but i studied english to an m.a level and i was a very brilliant english student america was talking loosely and amadeka was talking to idana and and giving names they are the circumstance one the circumstance of his talking before his arrest and the second sense of his talking after his arrest are in the same he was talking to idana and mentioning names that that bothered him this guy bothered him but by he had his own account he hadn't talked to america before the 10th of october i have not said that america when he was before he was arrested he was talking to he i said he was talking and worrying and querying why rollins had dinner i didn't say i've never said that america's america talked to you you said it this morning jesus i have not said that go go back on on the record you said it just now no i have not i didn't either and i was talking about that stop there let's go no no no no mr chris doesn't matter please have someone go on with your questions taking the victims to bundase they got a call from captain kojo jakarta america caught a call from captain koryo jakarta this is that page 11 of your evidence if i may refresh your memory whilst on the way he got a call from kojochikata asking him to change the venue to the actual motor forest but america insisted that buddha say would be okay now how did you communicate with america whereas they were in the vehicle how did he administer communicate with america where they were in the give me a break the doctor somewhere are you living in the ancient times but by phone but by two-way are you living in ancient times like in your experience you received a call a call by what mister you just tell us by wire by phone which kind of phone by radio i don't know i wasn't there i wasn't i've told you i was not i'm i'm the guy's guy yes but that is it but you you come here you say what you're supposed to have told you telling yes but i'm trying to show that you did not check you just took everything jesus on facebook the doctor i was not sitting in my office which he he helped to destroy and interviewing america jandu and the boys i was in prison he was after me to hang me and these boys needed my help and i was getting information from them quickly i had to get older i got all that i wasn't comfortably in my sitting in my office happy as you you you may be time was not on my side the circumstances were very stringent i'm putting to you that this piece of evidence is a manufacturer mr dr essamura i am very happy if i manufactured all this then i have the most brilliant mind in the world and you pay me a compliment if i manufacture all that but don't forget america is not dead he may appear one day now you said you were present in squadron leader tegu square at the last right that's right now you were in salaam you weren't in southern prison yes yes but the last rites of america took place i might take way sorry i might take away i'm talking about my way now you are getting it wrong and once again here we go again doctor better someone you listen at page 18 of your of the of the evidence is that you i'm asking this commission on this is page 18. i'm asking this commission on the basis of the evidence that came to me through on the basis of the evidence that came to me through those boys america jandu tecmo senia was exactly 20 years when janusena were executed and amatek way 17th august last week 20 years exactly and on the day jandu requested i should see him in the condemned block would you want to save your breath because i know what i'm talking about would you save your breath yeah i joined mr tigo church choir and got in there and i told him i might equally requested i told him i might equally requested for him lead kindly light senior asked for another one and john do ask for what a friend we have in jesus and that day i told jandu he had become like a son to me to see youth of that age so destroyed broke my heart anytime i had my meetings with him and i treated him like my son and that night when i went to say goodbye to him i made him promise that their story would be told et cetera et cetera now i'm suggesting to you that no such encounter took place because the the last rights for these people were conducted at ashford not attention prisons doc doc i'm sorry i think you're losing your memory just answer the question i the the last rights were conducted by major tegu if there was any other rights anyway i don't know mr togo tego was in in san juan prisons he was in the next block with me he was the leader of the he was the choir master and i wanted to get into the uh condemned block jandu sent me a note and i couldn't find a way so i went to major tegu and pleaded with him that i needed to speak to jejundu hold on he looked at me and said okay we will allow you but don't come and cause any trouble there that is what he said i said major i wouldn't cause any trouble there me lord one of the most emotional moments of my life was when i got in there jandu came down he had a beautiful hair swept it back apparently he had had a bath clad in a white bedsheet i met her queen that was the only time i saw amanda cray face to face was there and then senior rather looked agitated and haggard and i went and stood between senior and jandu jandu had talked to senior about me so he whispered to the senior that this is mr asha and then do clasp my hand and when major tegu started his sermon he asked each one of them to teach a song amateur queen chose i think lead kindly light senior no i'm a great choice abide with me senior chose lead candy light and jandu chose what a friend we have in jesus and at that moment i almost wept but i held his hands hard and at the end of it i said boy don't worry i will live long enough to tell your story and i looked at him and made the table strict as he was would not allow me any more time said mr asha we go and as i left and i looked into the eyes of the boy who had become like a son sent to his death by an inhuman person who was rejoicing at his death i felt like if i had a gun myself i could have gone and shot him dead don't tell me it wasn't that insane please yes you had a gun and on the 14th day of september 1982 you shot one of oriata oh come on you shot one of a realtor and you were facing committed proceedings we've got evidence from the magistrate who was going to conduct the committee proceedings you had been served with the papers in prison but then you ran away you shot dead somebody what's the question please the question is that isn't it true yes that he was visiting for megan my lord i was in prison not awaiting trial for murder i was in prison once again here we go again dr albert de samuela i was arrested on i think the 13th or on the 12th of september 1982 when finally i had given up and i wanted to leave the country on the friday that was the arrangement i asked my wife said selena whom i mentioned here she was pregnant to come over and i wanted to say goodbye to her and our first daughter who is a doctor in the united states now i was going to take her with me she was just about 10. that was the very night i was arrested for murder i was beaten up tortured and held in three different prisons no charge of murder was brought unexpectedly from the bni i was hurled i never received any summons or a charge sheet but i was brought before ejecum the public tribunal and it was there that a charge of two charges counts of fraud insurance fraud were read to me the records will show that i raised objection because make do your research they will tell you ajakum himself had stolen gold and he had been offered the post by chikata and rollins because no member of the bar would accept that they did that and i raised that objection too they tried me under a pn they tried me under acted to to put 29 which had its own penalty for that offense which was less but they sentenced me they were proceeding to sentence me under the pndc law which would which would allow them to impose 10 years and i argued against that i come i remember he said you'll sit there and talk you'll see 10 years i told my wives there were four of them i told them i'll be back he she who wants to stay in stay in i'll be back one year it took me one year and i was out so i was in in someone's prisons not as a result of any murder charge but as a result of quote-unquote spurious conviction by a thief have you seen native trying a thief a thief who convicted me and sentenced me to 10 years that is why i escaped and i had my freedom and he regrets that i didn't die there now that's why i was talking about the insurance fraud yes you are tried by a tribunal comprising major i do a manful yes yes yes then madame comfort esther f1 and then mr jenkins coffee you were properly tried and you were charged on two counts of stealing contrary to section 1 241 of the criminal code 1960 acts 29 and section 82 of the public tribunal 1982 pndc law 24. so it isn't that you were you were charged only under an appearance so you were charged for stealing no uh doctor i don't know what happened the documents are you the same person i knew please just answer the question listen to me i have just said that i was charged under act 29 together with the pndc law but under attitude to 29 the the penalty was would not have been 10 years they proceeded to apply the penalty under the under the png's law that bogus fraudulent law to were you not a member of the cannabis association why did the ghana bar association boycott the the tribunal tell me have you changed your mind tell me now you were your churches were laid tell me the churches mr ashley a witness doesn't ask questions and they went into the case and passed a reasoned judgment lord i would like the commission to have a look at this document about it if it's a certified copy we'll look at it it's not terrified then we can't look at it you are not the same person you were before me lord something has happened to you lord we've had occasion when you looked at documents that were not certified no no if it's not certified we can't look at it you know that you know that but i hope that i hope that the commission would investigate this matter i'm sorry i think all day jesus please please ask your next question now with regard to the the medal charge lord we have here an application which has been made expected to the uh high court for a mandamus is he certified that is certified let me have a look at it please you can accept yesterday uh i don't see the relevance but i'll allow you to use it because this is not a document he signed and then this by another lawyer for another client anyway you may you may use it if there is there is an affidavit there's one too by the magistrates that was going to do the committee proceedings and that is what i want the commission to have a look i didn't look at that one let me see he's very funny the magistrate i think you know the reason why i have those yes that is so yes i just thought you know i should just bring you to attention i mean i i'm going beyond that i'm moving on to another all right now in your evidence you said that america and co went to captain chicago's office and chicago prepared the operational pass for them this is at page nine of the transcripts that i have but i might acquire in his statement of 23rd november 1982 which the commission has had the opportunity of looking at yesterday said that he ahmadek way took america and co to gundam barracks for an operational pass so which is correct exactly doc listen and listen well america and jandu no america and senya went to koryo chicate's office and he prepared the operational pass i asked america what is an operational pass it says it is the past that allows you to go on any duty inside the emergency hours a few hours and how is it done he says that it is a format prepared but then they insert in hand writing the name of the person to whom it's being issued his rank the purpose and then the date and then the person issuing it signs it i asked him who gave you this he said kojo chikata then i asked him what about what america he said he laughed and he said that was the fun of it all amateur was so enthusiastic that when he brought me into the car to go around with him he issued another pass and when i met according to america i'm quoting america when he met jandu tagbong senior he showed them a matter of ways super s superfluous uh pass and they were laughing that the guy is too excited about things so then i asked america why didn't you explain he said chris you know what was happening there it was a matteo quest pass that i used but the real past that allowed us to go in the dead of night pick up four persons three judges a lady and an army officer and take them and kill them was issued issued and signed by this jackal i'm putting it into you that you're alive please no no no no please don't use such terms here your honor my lord i will i i will own evidence they went to the operations room he didn't say captain chicago was there and they got a pass so you are concocting okay once again i knew i'm at the car those days didn't i i hadn't i never knew america i never knew america anywhere until i met him at insane yes until corporal ahmedu introduced america so he had no basis for knowing that whatever he told you was true since you you couldn't you had no information about this character you didn't know him your honor your honor you can say as a matter of the rudiments of the rule of evidence that what america told me was not true but you cannot say that america did not tell me that and i am recounting to you here and i'm i am within the ambit of the hearsay evidence which you people have been banding around everywhere that that is what america told me and i'm only reciting what the guy told me you may not believe what he said but don't disbelieve what he told me because when i was in jail you you were not there all right it's all right dr samuel you've had 35 minutes i'll give you 25 more making a total of one hour you have a situation where the witness is talking so much i think you know how to get the short answers you know we put just one question then you get one answer but when you preface with the long thing he wants to comment on your preface you see that's what is taking us so much time but by 11 30 i'm afraid we'll have to stop if by then you haven't finished apply for more time now in your evidence that is at page 18 no no no yeah yeah that's another one god i'm trying to check the page of the evidence where he talked about a meeting at president ronald's office of the people who were present i i seem to have wanted to show you well if you can refer to the page okay i did it so i know where it is which one are you talking about a meeting where you pay me for the assistance the meeting where the meeting where the uh what is the america um a mighty queen is supposed to have announced that he had you know as he done with the uh on july the 2nd that is correct okay when chuchukata sang long leave the revolution that is it yeah that is the that is the part he sang he sang in a very bad voice i'm talk he doesn't have a good voice for singing why should i even have to see that why should i hurt but in any case this is at uh page 17. no no not that's another one [Music] a chief in his absence you see him in the face you lose all track unique is by your evidence i think it can be checked later by your evidence those who were present at that meeting were chachukata then president rollins page 18 go stop there mr asher your your my lord with respect i will help you doctor he was my lecturer so i give him that respect but he's going to pay me something i've lived in america and britain nothing is free there july mr asher one two three four five six lines july the 2nd 1992 and he told raising that they had already been killed and according to america iranis looked sad milord wherever in this world has a head of state had four permanent citizens of this country made it and then he confronts one of his men and tells him go release the people and then the man has the courage to tell him that they have been killed and he doesn't say a word to him he doesn't get him arrested he doesn't order him arrested he walks away i don't believe there was a that confrontation between america and rollins but if it was then the implications are disastrous is that what you want but you did mention please mention that i'm attically told you the people who are present that meet america to the people who are present at that meeting i think it is page 12 a lot i think i think i now have prepared properly page twelve lord to be at page twelve on the second that is the picture of a lord the second paragraph from the last last background yeah so i think is he trying to help your lecturer and your lecturer knows better i see you couldn't help him on the second on the second i understand i'm i'm reading a lot on the second i understand a double guy testified here that there was jubilation milord there indeed was chachuchikata christian team fly left hand ordway mr john rollins chikata chikata was then not there akatapori chachuchika were injured john rollins's office when amateur went in there and informed them of what had happened that the operations had succeeded so these are the people that you see were present the people that i was told were present that is what amateur told you what the first i'm

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