I'M AWARE OF. THOUGH IT DOES CERTAINLY STICK WITH YOU. JOINING ME NOW IS OUR IN-HOUSE LAW FIRM, FINALLY BACK TOGETHER AGAIN ON A SUNDAY. NO CUT YELLE'S FORMER ACTING U.S. SOLICITOR GENERAL, ANDREW WEISSMANN IS THE FORMER GENERAL COUNSEL OF THE FBI AND A SENIOR MEMBER OF SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER'S TEAM. AND HE'S THE COAUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE'S HAD TIME TO RIGHT, COMING AT THE END OF THE MONTH, CALLED THE TRUMP INDICTMENTS, THE HISTORIC CHARGING DOCUMENTS WITH COMMENTARY. ANDREW, LET'S START WITH YOU. YOUR SNAP UNDER COMMENT IS REALLY HOW ALL OF US FEEL. IT STUCK WITH US. EXPLAIN WHAT COULD BE TAKING THEM SO LONG AT THIS POINT. >> SO, IT'S WORTH REMEMBERING THAT IN ANY NORMAL CASE, THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT LONG AT ALL. BUT THIS ISN'T A NORMAL CASE, AND THE CIRCUIT DID AGREE TO EXPEDITE THE BRIEFING AND ORAL ARGUMENTS. SO, WHAT IS -- TOO MANY PEOPLE FOLLOWING, THIS IS THAT THEY HAVEN'T ISSUED THEIR DECISION SORT OF IN CONFORMITY WITH THE SPEED WITH WHICH THEY ASKED THE PARTIES TO BRIEF THIS. REMEMBER, OVER THE HOLIDAYS, REMEMBER CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S HOLIDAYS. AND SO, YES IT DOES TAKE THREE JUDGES, THERE ARE THREE JUDGES ON THIS PANEL, NOT ONE JUDGE. SO THAT REQUIRES SOME COORDINATION. AND THE PRESIDING JUDGE, JUDGE HENDERSON, MAY -- WE DON'T KNOW, BUT MAYBE THE HOLDUP HERE IN TERMS OF ISSUING THE DECISION. I SHOULD SAY, THE PEOPLE THINKING THIS WILL PRECLUDE ACCOUNTABILITY IN A CRIMINAL CASE, WITH THE RESULT IS THAT THE MANHATTAN CRIMINAL CASE, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR THE END OF MARCH, MAYBERRY WILL NOW BE THE FIRST ONE. THAT WAS A CASE THAT EVERYONE SORT OF UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS GOING TO GET PUT OFF IF THE D.C. FEDERAL CASE WENT FORWARD ON MARCH 4TH. BUT THE RESULTS OF THIS SLOWING OF THE D.C. FEDERAL CASE IS THAT MANHATTAN, THE FIRST CASE THAT WAS INDICTED, MAY IN FACT BE THE FIRST CASE TO GO FORWARD AT THE END OF MARCH. >> WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY IDEAL, POLITICALLY. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT ON THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WORKS. NEIL, LET ME GO TO YOU, BECAUSE ANDREW RAISED A VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE. THIS IS NORMAL PACING HERE. AS MUCH AS WE ARE ALL IMPATIENT AND AS MUCH AS IT'S NOT ALIGNED WITH THE TIMING, GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT ELSE COULD BE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES HERE, IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, AND IF THIS IS NOT THE MOVING FORWARD SOON, AS I, MEAN IN THE COMING WEEKS, COULD THE FEDERAL ELECTION TRIAL START IN JUNE, JULY, AND STILL BE CONCLUDED BEFORE THE ELECTION? >> IT COULD. I MEAN, MY VIEW IS THAT ACTUALLY THE NORMAL SCHEDULE FOR AN APPEAL OF THIS MAGNITUDE WITH THESE TYPES OF PUBLIC INTEREST AT STATE WOULD'VE BEEN DECIDED BY NOW. SO I UNDERSTAND LIKE AN ORDINARY GARDEN-VARIETY OF GEEK SEES CIRCUIT APPEALS, THEY TAKE LONGER, I THINK AN AVERAGE DISPOSITION TIME OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS. BUT IN A CASE OF THIS GRAVITY, IT SHOULD BE MOVING MORE QUICKLY. TAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SOUTH, REVERSED JUDGE CANNON'S DECISION LAST YEAR TO PROTECT DONALD TRUMP, THAT TOOK THEM I THINK NINE DAYS. AND SO DO USE YOUR PHRASE, JEN, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SHOW, I'M OFFICIALLY NOW AT THE FRIGATE STAGE. I RESISTED THAT FOR A LONG TIME, BUT WE ARE NOW -- >> YOU DON'T TYPICALLY FREAK- OUT, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. >> I THINK WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT TO USE A DIFFERENT LEGAL PHASE, JUSTICE DELAYED IS JUSTICE DENIED. I CAN'T IMAGINE MORE COMPELLING NEED FOR SPEED THAN THE IDEA THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS DESERVE TO KNOW BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHETHER A CANDIDATE FOR OFFICE IS A FELON AND AN INSURRECTIONIST. AND IT'S EVEN MORE GALLING TO ME, BECAUSE THIS IS AN EASY CASE. THERE IS NO RESPONSIBLE CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR WHO THINKS DONALD TRUMP IS RIGHT. THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY, THAT A PRESIDENT CAN GO AND ORDER THAT THE NAVY S.E.A.L. TEAM SIX TO GO MURDER HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT, AND THEN GO AND MURDER THE SENATORS WHO WOULD TRY HIM FOR IMPEACHMENT. THAT CANNOT POSSIBLY BE RIGHT, AND JUDGE CHUTKAN SET A FAST SCHEDULE HERE, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COURT OF APPEALS IS DOING RIGHT NOW. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I AM REALLY WORRIED THAT IF THIS DELAY IS GOING TO PUT THE TRIAL PAST JUNE, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT TRUMP WILL TRY AND GO TO THE SUPREME COURT AFTER HE LOSES IN THE COURT OF APPEALS, THAT COULD TAKE MONTHS. THAT'LL BE A REAL PROBLEM. >> JUDGE CHUTKAN, I THINK, YOU NEED TO REMIND PEOPLE, SHE'S JUST ADOPTING TO WAITING FOR THIS RULING, SO SHE IS JUST TRYING TO ADAPT TO THAT. OKAY, ANDREW. BECAUSE YOU ARE ALSO KNOWN FOR KEEPING ALL OF US CALM HERE, AND KEEPING MILLIONS OF MSNBC VIEWERS CALM. WHERE ARE YOU ON THE FREAK-OUT METER HERE ON YOUR END? >> NEIL AND I ARE IN VIOLENT AGREEMENT ON THIS. AND TO JUST ADD A LITTLE FUEL TO THE FIRE, I MEAN, WHATEVER JUDGE OR JUDGES ARE SLOWING THIS IN THE D.C. CIRCUIT, IT IS AKIN TO WHAT JUDGE CHIN IS DOING IN FLORIDA, THIS IS REALLY NOT LOOKING GOOD FOR THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY, IN TERMS OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE ELECTORATE. WHETHER IT'S JUDGE CANNON WHO HAS BASICALLY ISSUED A POCKET VETO ON THAT CASE, AND A REALLY SLOW WALK BACK FOR NO APPARENT REASON, AND YOU HAVE THE SAME THING GOING ON IN THE D.C. CIRCUIT. SO I AGREE WITH NEAL THAT THERE REALLY IS NO REASON FOR THE DELAY. IT'S COMING IN A CASE WITH, REMEMBER, THE LEGAL CLAIM HERE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS MAKING IS ABSURD. IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE ORAL ARGUMENTS, THE BEST ARGUMENT AGAINST HIM WAS THE JUDGE GETTING THE LAWYER FOR DONALD TRUMP TO ACTUALLY JUST SAY WHAT HIS ARGUMENT WAS, BECAUSE IT WAS SO PREPOSTEROUS. SO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS GOING TO LEAD TO LOSING THE WAR, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THIS DECISION ULTIMATELY WILL BE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, THE DELAY IS ALLOWING HIM TO ESSENTIALLY WIN THE BATTLE. >> EVERYBODY HEARD THE FREAK OUT LEVEL HERE, FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T FREAK OUT. SO WITH THE MINUTE WE HAVE LEFT HERE, YOU'VE ARGUED A LOT OF CASES, TO PUT IT MILDLY, IN FRONT OF THE SUPREME COURT. THE JUSTICES ARE HEARING ORAL ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE 14TH AMENDMENT CASE LATER THIS WEEK IN COLORADO. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE WATCHING FOR? >> I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN PHENOMENAL THAT ARE FRIENDS OF THE COURT BRIEFS THAT WERE FILED IN THIS CASE. I DON'T THINK THE POLICIES WERE THAT GOOD, BUT IF YOU MAKE YOUR WAY THROUGH THE COURT BRIEFS, THERE'S A RIGHT LEGAL ANSWER,, JEN AND IT'S AUTHORED BY WILLIAM BALL AND MICHAEL PAULSON, WHO WERE TOO CONSERVATIVE FEDERALIST SOCIETY LAWYERS, AND THEY SAY TRUMP IS DISQUALIFIED, AND YES, TRUMP HAS MANY DEFENSES, BUT THEY ALL FAILED. LIKE TRUMP SAYS, HE IS NOT AN INSURRECTIONIST, YOU'RE RIGHT. HE SAYS THE PRESIDENT ISN'T AN OFFICER UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, BUT THE TEXT SAYS OTHERWISE, AS DOES THE ORIGINAL INTENT. HE SAYS YOU NEED A LOT OF CONGRESS, BUT THAT WOULD BLOW A HOLE THROUGH THE 14TH AMENDMENT AND ITS OTHER CLAUSES LIKE PEOPLE PROTECTION. HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD LEGAL ARGUMENTS, AND SO HOPEFULLY THE ADVOCATES CAN REALLY BRING THAT ABOUT ON THURSDAY AND MAKE THAT POINT HEARD, AND CAN SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER AND SAY YOU'VE TALKED ALL ABOUT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE FOUNDERS, HERE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE FOUNDERS IS
