BECAUSE WHAT HE IS DOING IS SO UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. >> A LOT TO GET INTO AND JOINING ME RIGHT NOW IS PSYCHOLOGIST AND AUTHOR, MARY TRUMP. SHE IS DONALD TRUMP APOLOGIST NIECE AND HOST OF A PODCAST. A BIG WELCOME TO YOU. STORMY DANIELS TESTIFIED ABOUT HER ALLEGED AFFAIR WITH DONALD TRUMP. WAS SHE CREDIBLE? THE PART OF HER TESTIMONY USING DONALD TRUMP CARED ABOUT MOST? DO YOU THINK HE FELT EMBARRASSMENT OR SHAME OR THE ADULTEROUS AND EXPLICIT STORY THAT SHE SHARED? >> FIRST OF ALL, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU TODAY. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THIS, PART OF THE REASON WE ARE HERE, DONALD TRUMP IS INCAPABLE OF SHAME OR EMBARRASSMENT. HE IS CAPABLE OF HUMILIATION BUT THE KIND OF DETAILS THAT WERE REVEALED IN THE COURTROOM ARE NOT REALLY THE KIND OF DETAILS THAT BOTHER HIM. HE HAS NO PROBLEM BEING SEEN AS SOMEBODY WHO IS SLEAZY AND DOES NOT TREAT WOMEN WELL. UNFORTUNATELY, HE TAKES IT AS A BADGE OF HONOR. HAVING SAID THAT, I THOUGHT THAT STORMY DANIELS WAS INCREDIBLY SINCERE AND I THOUGHT SHE CAME ACROSS VERY WELL. THERE WAS NO REASON TO THINK THAT SHE WAS MAKING UP ANY OF WHAT SHE SAYS. AT ONE POINT, SHE SAID TO THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS COME IF SHE WERE MAKING IT UP, SHE WOULD HAVE MADE IT A BETTER STORY. I THOUGHT SHE WAS INCREDIBLY CREDIBLE, AND I DID NOT SEE ANY REASON FOR THE JURY TO DOUBT HER. THE POINT REMAINS, IF DONALD TRUMP BELIEVES THAT SHE IS LYING , THERE IS ONE VERY SIMPLE WAY FOR HIM TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, THAT IS NOT TO BREAK HIS GAG ORDER OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM, IT IS TO TESTIFIED IN HIS OWN DEFENSE, IN HIS CRIMINAL TRIAL COME INSIDE OF THE COURTROOM. >> WHAT ABOUT HIM SAYING HE WOULD BE PROUD TO GO TO JAIL BECAUSE OF THE VIOLATION OF THE GAG ORDER? DO YOU BELIEVE HIM? WOULD HE BE SCARED OR COMFORTABLE PLAYING THE MARTYR IN A JAIL CELL? >> I THINK IT IS ABSURD FOR ANYBODY TO THINK HE WOULD WILLINGLY GO TO JAIL EVEN FOR A NIGHT, EVEN FOR AN AFTERNOON, HONESTLY. HOPEFULLY, IF YOU SENT TO JAIL FOR BREAKING THE GAG ORDER, WHICH HE HAS DONE 11 TIMES, IT IS FOR REAL, NOT HE IS GOING TO A FANCY HOTEL THAT IS JUST GUARDED, HE IS IN A CELL WITHOUT HIS PHONE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN WOULD BE. I DON'T THINK HE COULD HANDLE IT , HE WOULD LOVE THE MARTYRDOM, BUT DON'T THINK HE IS FOR REAL WILLING TO GO TO JAIL. >> WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOUR COUSIN, ERIC, WHO HAS SHOWN UP OCCASIONALLY, NO ONE IN THE FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE, WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU THAT THE FIRST FORMER PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY TO BE CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED AND FACES FOUR YEARS IN PRISON, HAS LITTLE TO NO FAMILY SUPPORT IN THE COURTROOM AND WHY NOT? >> I THINK, TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, ANOTHER WAY THAT DONALD CHANGED PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS AND WARPED WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE OR EXPECTED, HIS FAMILY IS NOT THERE. PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM DON'T MAKE ANYTHING OF IT, BUT EXTREMELY UNUSUAL. THEY ARE NOT THERE BECAUSE HE DOES NOT CARE IF THEY ARE THERE OR NOT. HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH EVERYBODY , INCLUDING HIS FAMILY, ARE VERY TRANSACTIONAL. I DON'T THINK HE GETS ANYTHING OUT OF HAVING THEM THERE. HE IS MUCH MORE CONCERNED AND ANGRY AND DISAPPOINTED THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS PICKETING OUTSIDE FOR HIM. LAST I CHECKED THERE WERE TWO YESTERDAY. >> YOU REVEALED WHAT PET NAME DONALD TRUMP CALL STORMY DANIELS ? WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT IT? >> THE NICKNAME USED IN MY FAMILY MOSTLY BY MY TWO UNCLES, DONALD AND ROB, AND MY AUNT LIZ, HONEYBUNCH. THEY USED IT FOR EVERYBODY, I THOUGHT THEY FORGOT MY NAME, THEY CALLED MY GRANDMOTHER HONEYBUNCH. I FIRST HEARD HER MAKE THIS REFERENCE A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND IT SENT A CHILL DOWN MY SPINE. THAT HE USED IT SO INDISCRIMINATELY WITH NIECES AND HIS MOM, WOMEN HE HAS RANDOMLY HOOKING UP WITH FOR SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS VERY DISTURBING. >>'S LEGAL TACTICS OF DELAYING THE TRIAL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, IT APPEARS TO BE WORKING WITH THE FLORIDA CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS CASE AND THE GEORGIA ELECTION INTERFERENCE CASE, BOTH CELL RULINGS THIS WEEK MAKING IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GO TO TRIAL BEFORE NOVEMBER 5th. ARE YOU CONFIDENT YOUR UNCLE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IN COURT? WOULD LOSING THE ELECTION THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR YOU? >> I HAVE HOPES THAT THIS TRIAL WILL RESULT IN HIM BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE BUT JURIES ARE INSCRUTABLE AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW. IT DOESN'T NOT MATTER HOW WE JUDGE THE EVIDENCE, IT ONLY MATTERS HOW THEY ARE. IT MAY WELL BE THE ONLY TRIAL THAT STARTS BEFORE THE ELECTION, AND INDICTMENT OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM. IT MAY COME DOWN TO THE ELECTION , WHICH IS NOT HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEEDED TO SEE THESE TRIALS FINISH BEFORE THE ELECTION SO THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED. NOT EVERYBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON POLITICALLY EVERY DAY, HAVING THESE CASES ADJUDICATED BEFORE THE ELECTION WOULD HAVE MATTERED A LOT TO A LOT OF VOTERS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT OTHER WAYS TO GET VOTERS THE INFORMATION THEY NEED ABOUT ONE OF THEIR TWO CANDIDATES. >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE STORY FROM YESTERDAY ABOUT 18- YEAR-OLD BARRON TRUMP GOING TO THE RNC AS A FLOOR DELEGATE. MILANI OF SAID HE WAS NOT GOING -- MELANIA SAID HE WAS NOT GOING BECAUSE OF PRIOR COMMITMENTS. DID HIS FATHER PROMOTE THIS AND IF SO, WHY? >> I DON'T KNOW BUT I CAN SPECULATE, IT REMINDED ME OF DONALD'S INSTALLING HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AS ONE OF THE HEADS OF THE RNC. HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS ANOTHER FAMILY BUSINESS THAT WOULD LIKELY FAIL, IF HE IS IN CHARGE. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ANOTHER WAY IN WHICH DONALD IS ALWAYS PUTTING HIMSELF FIRST. BARRON IS 18 YEARS OLD AND HAS NOT GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL YET, HE NEEDS TO BE OUT OF THIS , THANKFULLY SOMEBODY CAME TO THEIR SENSES AND PULLED THE IDEA. IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE CAN GET THE SENSE OF WHERE DONALD IS HEADING AND MAKING SURE ALL OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ARE IN KEY POSITIONS POLITICALLY. >> LAST QUESTION, NEXT WEEK WITH MICHAEL COHEN ON THE STAND , GIVEN THE FRACTURED HISTORY BETWEEN YOUR UNCLE AND HIS FORMER FIXER, SOMEWHAT IN LOCKSTEP WITH HIM FOR MANY YEARS , WHAT IS HE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WITH MICHAEL COHEN AND HIS TESTIMONY THIS NEXT WEEK? WHAT WILL RATTLE HIM THE MOST? >> HONESTLY, WHAT WILL RATTLE HIM THE MOST IS THE FACT THAT HE WILL BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH MICHAEL COHEN WITHOUT ANY ABILITY WHATSOEVER TO RESPOND, NO MATTER WHAT MICHAEL COHEN SAYS. THAT IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGING FOR HIM. WE KNOW THAT, DURING THE TESTIMONY FROM STORMY DANIELS, DONALD WAS WILDLY INAPPROPRIATE AND GOT ADMONISHED BY THE JUDGE , AND SAFE TO SAY MICHAEL COHEN IS MUCH MORE TRIGGERING FOR DONALD TRUMP THAN STORMY DANIELS. IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE HERE, MICHAEL COHEN COMMITTED CRIMES ON THE BEHALF OF DONALD TRUMP, HE WAS PUNISHED AND DONALD WASN'T. NO DAYLIGHT UNTIL MICHAEL COHEN WAS NO LONGER USEFUL FOR DONALD AND DONALD DECIDED NOT TO TAKE MICHAEL COHEN TO D.C. WITH HIM. THEY WERE ON THE SAME PAGE FOR
