Frank Thomas interviews Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright

thank you for the wonderful lecture on preaching this morning 70 years of black preaching it was absolutely a phenomenal piece of work my first question out of the lecture you talked about the Samuel DeWitt Proctor method of preaching and so everyone's not familiar with that method of preaching so why don't you give us just a quick summary of the method I think in his book preaching on crisis and tomorrow preaching on moral crisis in the community he outlines it himself it's in one of his books in print but his position is he loved the Hegelian dialectic method and when in homiletics class is your talk together thesis sermon what is my thesis what am I trying to say in this message alright that's your thesis start with the antithesis just the opposite of what you trying to say and now ask a relevant question of that text and dr. Proctor used to maintain that you could ask 52 different questions and preach 52 different sermons on the same text because the question you are answering determines the body of your sermon so what is the relevant question once you get your relevant question then you your response to that question is the synthesis which is thesis antithesis synthesis and the synthesis comes out of that question that you're raising with the text and what I was sharing in the in the class how quickly Sam Proctor's from Norfolk his church has Bank Street Baptist Church my uncle was his pastor when he go to Philadelphia he would go see my sister is all his pastor sister he knew the Hendersons in fact Tom medicine was not a preacher it was a Dean when he was president and became the president when he wrote a and T well when he was driving to Philadelphia to preach he come by the dormitory so Jeremiah want a ride to Philly this weekend I said yes sir you grab me dirty clothes come on cuz I know him washed and for five hours up and five hours back he would drill me look 15 1 through 8 he's driving all right what's your thesis what will be the antithesis what's the relevant question all right let me hear how you would respond to that question you know 35 miles later he gave me another scripture Luke 10 25 to 29 what city's killing me making sure I understood his methodology and and it is a faster fascinating way of doing I forgotten the terminology you use on that scratch piece of paper when you put your collecting ideas a way of gathering your thoughts has to would this work with this text or not because it doesn't work with all texts but that was his method so all these years of your preaching you've been preaching in that method I've been using in the in the preparation stages not always in the Proclamation stage because as I said all texts don't fit but you know he's in the back of my head when I started when I sit down to prepare from the time I was an undergrad yeah so his method is there yes so usually when you you know carry on a method so how many years of pre-cum years you've been preaching I was licensed to preach in 1959 I was ordained in 1967 so how many years of preaching is that my mind is slow so I'm a priest yes nine from 15 is 46 years so if you've been working with the method for 46 years I would assume that you've mastered it obviously by hearing you preached you've mastered it so have you made any adjustments to the method have you updated to method so what have you done with the method the simple response is I have adapted used different leaders use different perspectives sometimes just tangentially looked at the methods for doing something else when dr. Proctor started his demon program and one of his assignments and this is before computers before we laptop you were there he signed us three different textures like he used to do in the car and told us to write three sermons on those three texts using his methodology and then we had to mail our papers to each other to read them before we got to class because during the intensive we would go around the table and critique each other's work and half way through that exercise one week approximately tens ten clergy persons 30 different servants into the exercise Johnny ray Youngblood interrupted the whole thing yeah doc doc doc look around this table you got names Brown you can told us most junior you got Mac Charles Jones you got booze you that's Jane Perkins you got major my Frank we count up the years you got over 300 years of preaching hey you know this feels like you're critiquing the way we make love only he didn't say make love everybody said oh god oh god oh god dr. Proctor said to him which is classic and true and response to your question he said I am NOT critique you know mr. Youngblood there are many ways you could have chosen to say that but since you chose the way you chose to may respond to you by saying I'm not critiquing the way you make love I'm trying to teach you a new position so learning different positions is what I have come across the years to do as well as disciples of Christ this is important at the National convocation 1977 a Fred Craddock was teaching homiletics and I went to his classes and hearing what he said and trying to do what he taught in that series at the National convocation goes into our sermon preparation also and what has gone into us in 77 Fred Craddock said not in print it was a homiletics class at the National convocation he said you know Dwight Goodman I tell you that dates it he said Dwight Gooden has the fastest ball recorded in the history of baseball the fastest fastball his fast balls have been clocked over 100 miles a hundred 20 under 25 miles an hour so fast at the batter the average matter cannot see the ball when it's coming and sometimes I was suspected referee I'm fine I'm just guessing cuz he can't see it either he said but if you notice why good and Jeff Sutton throw fastball because if he was throwing only fastball what the batter's would start doing is watching his hand come up over his head and starting their swing right there knowing that if that ball makes contact with the bat that's out of the park he says for a fastball slider sinker curve changeup knuckleball fastball fastball he mixes the moat so he doesn't get knocked out of the park he said I do the same thing with preaching I just don't throw fastball cuz they're gonna knock me out of the park of you take a text give you three points so to him they're gonna knock you at the park halfway through your sermon so some I just I use all kinds of variations and one of the disciples of Christ minister said well it was an example of Fred he said sometimes I don't give my text at the beginning of the sermon I build a nest and once I get my nest built I dropped the egg in and the egg is the text so what should we do what you mean show us up what you mean he said have you guys heard of the capo had the game gambling problem he was in Gamblers Anonymous oh no so yeah he had a drinking problem any other gambling problem he got free and clean of alcohol stayed free and clean but he couldn't get off this gambling thing he he would relapse every five six months finally he had two years of no gambler he came home from work one day his daughter was jumping hopscotch in front of the house and he says to her puts his hands above daddy I know that you and he laughed turned around and hugged he's the way your mommy she said you got a new coat he said yeah got it it worked where's mom she's on the patio he cooking dinner he goes out to the patio she's on the barbecue grill cooking dinner he puts his arms around with a hugger when he puts his arms around her she says baby you got a new coat he says yeah she said oh we don't have money to get Charmaine in the private school we don't have money for her books we don't have money for tuition we don't have money for vacation but you got money to buy a new coat he said no no I didn't buy it I wanted to want it you're gambling again he said wait let please let me explain please no there's no please let me explain I got to roll call this morning and Sarge pull my name for crucifixion duty and I went up on Calvary with the guys and they got the gambling over this man's coat in the middle and I just put my name in the head and ever since I've had it on I just feel like you don't have to worry about gambling anymore you know something has come over me then he quotes they gambled over my brother he died building this I put put the text in but and he suggested and I took seriously suggesting that we take a look at different ways of presenting the gospel we weekly so that people don't knock us out the part so so what would be your best preaching moment from your own estimation my best I think I write about it in that book what makes you so sure that it was one of the sermons my one of my one not one the best the most the most effective surprisingly effective preaching moment for me was when the black theology project was in Cuba the year that we were asked to participate by Raul Suarez in the dedication of the Martin Luther King junior Center right next to his church in Havana avenues about TC Glacia and we had Wyatt tee Walker with us we had from Columbus the rapping preacher would forgot he was with us James cone or no well Erskine we have some heavy hitters in that group black theology project and Raul asked me to preach which was a scary in front of those guys and girls a kaolinite was with us and I preached on that Sunday night when they did the dedication of that and I preached on the transformative power of the gospel of Jesus Christ and how when your life seems to be a dead end that's not the daddy in it don't ever mistake comma for periods you think that's the end of the story and to illustrate it I used that famous that famous story the Fred Sampson uses about the king has another move okay now all week long starting that Monday Raul would ask me to do the priest the sermon that following Sunday when the black theology project used to meet every year in around for the theological Coronado on the life work a ministry of King we had translators seated behind a glass partition hoots I mulled this simultaneous translation of the papers that were presented about theologians from North America Central America Caribbean South America when we left the United Methodist Church First Methodist Church of Vedado and went out into the countryside there were no simultaneous translation so you had translators in little groups of four and five telling you what was being said my translator that I got close to and I rode the bus every time we were going somewhere was the same aging oldest daughter Janet she had never been in the church she had never heard the story of Jesus she was not a communist yet she had applied to the Communist Party so I practice my Spanish and she practiced her English on the bus rides going different places because I had had Spanish for fourth grade to 11th grade but if you don't use it constantly so I'm trying to practice my Spanish and she's and I'm telling her the story of Jesus in Spanish she never heard that if she was interested she said I need your manuscript for your Sunday sermon I said I'll give it to you Tuesday we get on the bus we're going out to Matanzas to the seminary I need I need your manuscript I said I'll give it to you and I get it I must have it I said I'll give it to you Wednesday she said you haven't given me your manuscript yet we were going somewhere to the Haitian community to look at the Haitian Cuban reality I said well I can't give it to you the guy gave it to me to a non Church person what are you talking you sound like you're crazy what do you mean you God gives it to you the papers that you get from these theologians ethicists historians of religion have technical terms that you have to Tran summons aren't like that don't worry about anything difficult it's not going to be like there's no word you have to look up see you never heard a sermon she had never heard a sermon Friday she's wait where's where's the manuscript that's what I still don't have it I promise you I will give it to you before Sunday on Saturday I gave her the manuscript and when she got a she said gracias gracias glass and now now please observe this very important point I might say something that's not in that manuscript she says put okay why I say well I told you sermons are not like intellectual papers sermons are like the bread of heaven that you're feeding the flock of God all of this is weird terminology look at it I said and sometimes God gives me some bread right out the oven it's too hot to put on paper burn the paper up I said don't worry if I go off-script I'll let you know I'll tell you okay okay Sunday night well while preaching about that piece , and looks like a dead end working my way toward France Fred's sermon illustration about the watts painting of the audacity of hope' or the audacity to hope she was on the floor because they let women in the pulpit iben easy lazy about Easter the Baptist Church so she's got a music stand on the floor and I'm up in the pulpit I get down to the end of my sermon I was talking about when dr. King was killed in 1968 it looked like period that's the end of the movement now please remember there's been a blockade in Cuba since 58 we're down there and 88 they don't know them I know that we have effectively shut Cuba out so these young people she's the same as Indiana so she's born in 64 okay four years before King was assassinated she doesn't know what I'm talking about but she's translating and the worshipers are looking at me like stone wall what it was it wasn't what are you saying we thought it was all over we thought that I move it was a dude you know what movement I see I'm not getting through and you know that look in your parishioners eyes or worshipers eyes when your sermon is not connected and I'm saying they don't understand what I'm saying I'm trying to show how utterly hopeless and looked for us and they're not getting this at all and I'm oh god I can't reach them and some bread came from heaven right at that point is when I started talking about Fred Fred sermon and I guess your viewers know it talks about how the woman has one string on her harp and and no that's it was excuse me the white watts painting was not that painting it was of the devil mephistopheles and Faust at a chest table Faust had a queen a king and a pawn left maybe a bishop on four pieces the devil had it almost all of his men he's sitting there leering and the painting is called checkmate and everyday tourists would go through through the London gallery with the tour guide explaining how much the painting calls who the artist was what materials he used how much is insured for Lloyds of London moved to the next painting same thing next ready and this one they nobody noticed a one man lingered behind in front of it a paint painting checkmate and they went to the next painting he stayed right there pacing back and forth staring at the painting two paintings down three paintings down next gallery over when they heard his voice coming through those marble halls it's a lie it's a lie she's translating that the king has another move well nobody knew he was it's Russian international chess champion to the ordinary eye it looked like checkmate game is over to the Masters eye he could see a move the ordinary I couldn't see and I said the same thing happened in 1968 mmm when King fell dead to the balcony in Memphis Tennessee oh the rain Oh doesn't look like checkmate the game is all over for God said it's a lie the King has another movie so by this time some of our people on their feet right here from from the states and I said it gets better than that one Friday afternoon at 3 o'clock when he bowed his head and death the devil said check me and all night Friday night it look like she's translating they're all they said they look like checkmate all day Saturday all night Saturday night it look like checkmate she's trying I said early on Sunday morning the voice of God came booming through the corridors of time it's a lie it's a lie everybody in the church is on their feet now the king has another move the King always has another move and people are not looking at me they're looking at her I look over her she had stopped translating my sermon and and accepted Jesus Christ as her Savior I was praising God at the active music state that's the most effective moment I've ever experienced a man you're talking about feeling humbled they just all week long telling us a story of Jesus and then preaching about it on Sunday she gave up applying to the Communist Party and became a Christian Wow help for me too the most effective so let's go to the other side what's been the tough what was the toughest preaching assignment for you I'll give you two is one reason I said I'm not quite one I there is a sermon I preached called the toughest sermon ever preached that was the year you join but you need join two new years even in 77 in 1977 my wife and I divorced and I preached a sermon the toughest sermon I ever preached on marriage Sunday as a divorce pastor with two little children 13 and 12 looking at me and how tough it was to preach about God's love and God's grace and God's forgiveness when your marriage has ended the title of that sermon is the toughest sermon ever preached and I talked about how difficult it was to try to preach given the personal circumstances to which we were living at that point one of our members whom you know and love judge our Eugene pension his advice to me help me make it through that sermon through that season he's saying you were not called to be the gospel you called to preach the gospel the next most difficult sermon I ever had to preach in my estimation would be the Sunday I finally preached about what happened to me in 1975 I mentioned it in class today when I didn't go into any detail of 1975 our denomination voted to ordain homosexuals at that General Synod of our denomination I was made aware of just how homophobic I had been and no I was homophobic and when I heard the presentation made to us by the chairperson of the gay caucus it rearranged all the furniture in my head to such an extent that I couldn't preach I couldn't talk I couldn't talk about it for four years and four years later I I took a deep breath and bit the bullet and preached the sermon this imprint good news for homosexuals and that was very difficult because and tough for me to do because I knew I was going out in the waters where people didn't want to hear anything about what I was saying I mean their minds always made up and many of them were as sometimes unconsciously a homophobe because I had been I wasn't even conscious of how how homophobic I was until I was confronted with my own feelings and my own thoughts and not knowing how the congregation would accept it was a little scary it was very scary by God's grace and Providence it turned out it was a blessing that changed the life of our church it opened the floodgates for members who were gay lesbian transgender to feel they could come talk to their pastor without being condemned it opened the floodgates for members whose kids were gay to feel they had somebody they could talk to an ass answer some tough questions that one of the persons you know she wrote the book my rose her son died of AIDS she said to me pastor why did God let me carry this boy in my belly for nine months and he's going straight to hell the day his feet hit the ground I don't understand a god like that well they turned out to be a blessing but I was scared I said I know this tickle he's calling the meeting to put me putting me out of here on that sermonette but what I did again was a Sam Proctor afraid kind of thing I was preaching a Lenten series of sermons at the cross I had to cross and then each week I would talk about somebody else who was at the cross you know Mary the mother of John was at the John was at the cross the mother of Jesus was at because Sonny's leading up to Lynde and that Sunday I preached about the Roman centurion now in the black church when their gospel music concerts if you look at the bottom of the program almost inevitably you see an asterisk saying program subject to change sometimes they'll add following the readings of the Holy Spirit and I use as a subtitle that Sunday at the cross program subtly change caution the Roman military man was programmed to look down his noses as use he's an Italian program to have allegiance to the Emperor never only the Empire Roman centurions were not allowed to be married while they want active duty so he's got a mind set straight I'm doing my job this guy says he's the sciences he's King of the Jews in three different languages ain't no King of the Jews he's answer X just like these other two that's how he was programmed but he got too close to that cross close to the cross he hollered out surely this must be the Son of God well using that as the hook I talked about how I was programmed to think of so if you stay away from them people but Bernie Mac say does about to be walking like this here I mean stay away from that's how I was program I've just raised that way anybody ever bother me touch me not but I was just programmed that's you know you and my program was changed by God's Spirit whispering and I you know something wrong with you ain't I'm wrong with him well that but that was difficult that that's Sunday I had butterflies you know how you have butter fire before you preach I have butterflies all through the sermon doing everything up to the benediction but that was I would say the toughest most difficult so could you define black preaching for me it is preaching and I'll use a variation of definitions used in the classes I teach all the alligators you know it's contextual and it is preaching that comes out of the context of the african-american experience where the combination of Scripture and the cultural historical contemporary reality for African American people intersect that's black preaching is not all prophetic sometimes it is sometimes it is pastoral and priestly priestly in terms of people like my son just died what is God saying he died in gang violence he was standing like Miller said last night I was standing next to I mean Morgan said I'm standing next to my my ace boon who from Morehouse he shot and killed it that no one's God what's God got to say about that that kind of black cultural reality Anil drive-bys in Highland Park in rich white neighborhoods that reality trying to have an after-school program you can't have an after-school program on the southside of Chicago because kids got to get on the bus and cross three or four gang territory lines that cultural reality is a very different cultural reality than Evanston Illinois so a combination of the reality lived reality of those persons african-american in the congregation and what the gospel of Jesus Christ says the Word of God says and where is the intersectionality and that's that's my definition of black preaching this morning you spend some time talking about non seminary trained preachers and seminary trained preachers so does one really need seminary to be a really good preacher I believe they do and I can defend my prejudice and my bias when you say the last part of your question a really good preacher one who can plumb the depths of what the Word of God is saying not just do a powerful story and the illustration to get folks to join on their feet but to really open them open up what that scripture is saying I think seminary training is a absolute requirement in terms of helping them to become better more effective preachers yeah so what then would be the characteristics of a good preacher or an effective preacher one who makes the the Word of God one who makes the story of Jesus one who makes the transformative nature of the gospel of Jesus Christ come alive in the hearts and lives of those before him or her every Sunday every Sunday to me also effective would be messages that reach every socio-economic level and every age level sitting in the congregation that to me is is the is one of the hallmarks of being a good preacher next a preacher in the black preaching preaching tradition tell me about you had to preach your mother's and your father's funeral I believe so tell me about tell me about that preaching task you were there you were there both times but my mother died when I still have to preach I said I said I've been preparing for this one for 22 years I had 22 years to prepare for I knew I was 22 years before my mom died which would be 19 years or 18 years before my father died my parents made it known in writing that I was to do their sermon their eulogies with their pastor signing off notarized by a public notary public that he was giving me permission to preach there in case he died his successor wouldn't know he'd give him permission for me to preach to preach their funerals the preparation and the proclamation pieces are wait the ways in which I want to answer your question preparation when I got this notarized piece of information from my mother and father and saw they had planned their whole service who they wanted to read the scripture what songs they wanted what scriptures they wanted read I looked down and saw my name and I called my mother immediately I said I got you I got you information good put it in a safe place you got a safety deposit box I said yes ma'am that's not why I called you why'd you call me I said because you got me down doing your sermon and my daddy's sermon - I can't do that my mother said what you mean you can't do that I said mommy you're my mommy I'm gonna be snotting and crying trying to preach she said boy if you think death is the end of this thing what the hell you preaching on Sunday maybe you need another job maybe you just travel 18-wheeler okay see so I'm gonna see you again if you live right well in terms of being prepared and prep preparing the message there was no problem from that point when she put that in perspective for me if really Jesus has become the firstfruits of them that slept if he's not risen was Paul saying first where they never did we have nothing to preach in you have nothing to believe that this is not the end of this okay I got it I got it okay now the actual proclamation in terms of that emotional moment for my dad's my mother was a piece of cake because I've been through it with daddy Bubba my dad's funeral I was sitting with the family in the wake the way the visitation our and people from Trinity we're in Philadelphia started coming by shaking my hand and the more people from Trinity came by the more choked up I was getting people who made a sacrifice of time and money to come all the way to Philadelphia this to be with me for my daddy's funeral and they kept coming I told my wife for him I said I gotta go I'm going in the back she's what's wrong I said I'm getting ready to cry she said well you will see these people after the service I said blobby through this I can't I can't break down now I'm one in the back so I excused myself from the family went back to the pastor's study and pulled myself together and got ready to preach 5 10 minutes to 11 I came out into the deep a lube was going on organ Prelude I came out into the sanctuary and when I went up into the pulpit they started putting chairs down in the pulpit because a busload of Trinity folk had just pulled up and when I saw that busload of folk the water started coming again Charles Adams saw me you saw me about to break down and Charles Adams came across that divided chancel and came over to me and leaned over him he said je you have one job today that's preach the gospel just preach the gospel of Jesus Christ that's all you got to do I could be crying I can get teary later and emotional and reminisce later but my job at this moment is to preach the gut and the gospel says this is not the end so those that's what it was like in those those moments I was to say what mommy died I had 22 years to prepare for that so I just had fun reliving her life as I tried to craft the usurer about her life and her dedication to the gospel one more tell me about the last sermon as the senior pastor of Trenton I don't even know what it was I really held the I don't and I don't remember for some reason one we had a succession plan and when my successor came in his first six months he preached one Sunday I preached twice from January of a second year until December that year I would preach up in the generator which that which switches in June for a whole year he did one I did too for the next year he did too and I did one I was easing myself away from the congregation and we never told him who was preaching when they find out when they got there and sometimes you know how the members come and try and see who's in the center chair we would blow their mind because I'd be sitting over he's and instead of shirred I get up a priest they didn't know who was who was preaching and with that's flipping back and forth like that I really don't remember because remember I went on sabbatical so it would be the last Sunday in February that I preached and I was in I preached at one time that's that last Sunday in February and first of March I was gone three different gas preachers preach that first Sunday March we left on vacation the next day Monday Monday March the second and I don't remember I remember getting them ready in a series of sermons moving up to my last time there but but I don't remember the exact sermon on the on the fourth Sunday in February what advice would you give to young preachers probably the same advice my father gave me when I was scared to death Charles Adams whom I mentioned this morning God wouldn't blame Hancock's great-nephew was one of my preaching mentors heroes from the time I was in Virginia Union underwear because he used to come to Richmond to preach was uncle I was just amazed with him and when he started coming to our church the first few second year he came to our church 76 the year before you you joined he started inviting me to come to his church and I always had an excuse I had known a wish desire ever to be anywhere near his pulpit ever 67 6 77 78 79 and 78 October 78 he came as he did once a year and after our sanctuary choir sang the Semana camp he stood up and acknowledged everybody and then he said I'm inviting this choir to come to a concert for my ninth anniversary at - memorial everybody clap he said I also want you to sing at the eleven o'clock service that morning because your pastor will be preaching my anniversary service and they clapped again I didn't clap either trick me and he covered up there cuz I no matter what Sunday he asked me to come I always had a conflict always on purpose well can't you come on April I got a funeral that day I mean here we are in October as we got closer and closer I got more and more nervous and that Saturday night before I preached as always my dad called we called each other on Saturday night and he said how you ghost up and I said no sir he said what did you say I said no sir he said boys 10 o'clock at night I said no what's wrong I said I got to preach the Charles Addams Church in the morning he's an and I said I can't preach like Charles Addams he said my advice to young ministers God didn't call you to preach like Charles Addams God called you to preach like Jeremiah I beat you am i right pretenses I'm gonna go on back home they know they love you they don't know who their pastor they love him your people love you be who you are be who find your own voice John Bryan says something very cute it's all ready to be a copycat even long as you know with the cat the copy you can use methodologies and different techniques that you get from Frank Thomas from Allen guzik from Charles Adams from Gina Stuart from Anita Lee from Claudia Copeland but that ain't you bu and young Peters need to be themselves and let God speak through them because God called them I just was sharing with ministers my women ministers God calls you to be a minister not a man stop trying to preach like a man peach like you use your own voice and I think that would be the advice I would give young preachers preach God called you to preach embrace that call and develop your preaching your preaching and your voice and use it to the glory of God what question would you like to respond to that I didn't ask what am I doing here Oh I heard you mentioned with one of your students judge in nineteen goes Tara texts and the difficult texts like Juanita William saying well better than many of the Williams not better than similar to Anita there's a book that I did not mention this weekend while being with you and your students in which Alan Boozer has a chapter meet Lee on our hips book have you seen it in my tea our eye on our hip he edited a book called the biblical text in the context of occupation those are as difficult text to preach as the Tarot Tech's of women getting raped in slavery oversimplified here's here is the question raised in Chapter after Chapter after Chapter in that book approach from different levels by Christian clergy Palestinian Christians the narrative we know and embrace is that God led the people have promised out of Egypt using Moses to lead them out of slavery into the wilderness for forty years at the end of forty years he goes up into a mountain against a private burial service Joshua leads them across the Jordan River into what what does he lead them into what do we say you know into the Promised Land and the question the biblical text erases what kind of God you got and then promise you my land explain that well question wasn't asked us how do you preach so sex Freddy hazel I gave him that book for he hates it I can't preach nothin else from the Old Testament cuz you said this is the land I promised I swore to your forefathers no that God or that you just have find taking over somebody else's land how do we in the context of Palestine today how do we in the context of South Africa having I mentioned some names today people never heard hi and son they don't know what that that country was taken from them occupied by foreigners who now claim that that's their land this country was taken from its original how do you preach the Word of God in that context and my question it wasn't that is how do you how do you get clergy how do you get seminarians how to get preachers to wrestle with those texts and come out with some good news and for the folk who occupied it any good news at all where is the Word of God in terms of good news for them in light of those texts well we appreciate you taking the time we've had a wonderful couple days with you and you've been generous with your time and we're very appreciative and we believe that your life and your ministry is a testimony to what God can do when you offer yourself in service and it's an excellent model for our students for those of us who have come under you across the years and thank you for so much I don't have words to tell you thank you for thank you for having me appreciate

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Published: Tue Mar 31 2015