Bethel 21 at MAMEC: Rev. Jeremiah Wright - MLK and Reparations

nowhere to go weather good afternoon everybody good afternoon I am Elsie Scott I am the director of the Ronald Walters Center at Howard University as well as the Stewart here at Metropolitan eme my name is Dana Williams I am Dean of the graduate school at Howard University as well as the fortunate wife of this gentleman who happens to be the pastor of Metropolitan AME Church and LC and I are co directors for this neh project that you'll hear a little bit more about can we are excited about today's forum on reparations and especially excited because we have Reverend dr. Jeremiah Wright here with us first let us tell you a little bit about the program Metropolitan AME has a long history of hosting public conversations of particular interest to the african-american community metropolitan was in fact the home of the Bethel literary and Historical Society's this was a group in which historians recognized the record it was recognized by historians as a perennial debating society and forum among African Americans during the post reconstruction period it was founded here at this church in December 9th 1881 by Bishop Daniel Alexander Payne the association was born at least in part in response to a growing need among African Americans to consider how they might best respond to the challenges on set by the failures of reconstruction Bethel 21 is inspired by the rich history of the Bethel literary and Historical Association but it is by no means an effort to displace it rather it serves as a reminder that black people have always been about the business of gathering as a community and of inviting our best thinkers to help us to consider seriously the options before us today is no exception today's program is a part of the grant project funded by the National Endowment for the Humanities and in collaboration with the Ronald Walters Center and the Moreland Spingarn Research Center at Howard University and metropolitan AME Church the project has three primary objectives to organize six lectures on humanities topics to host four forums on civic issues and to digitize the holding to the Bethel literary and Historical Association we are proud to announce the completion of the last part of this project the digitization of the best Bethel historical and the Bethel literary and historical associations holdings you can now view view the full collection of the Bethel's holdings online by visiting WWE to you take a look at a few of the images we've curated here for a teaser they're showing on the screens now you'll see every from resolutions minutes to meetings and invitations and programs of course you're also free to visit the reading room at the moorland Spingarn Research Center where if you Don your white gloves you can touch them we encourage you to do so to date we've held a lecture on ancestry and that was a big turnout and also we had a forum on school choice the next session will be held on March 6 where we'll be discussing women in politics stay tuned for more information on that particular forum we're delighted to have the opportunity to host Reverend dr. Jeremiah Wright today to address the topic of reparations dr. Wright will offer opening remarks and then he will be joined in conversation by dr. Greg Carr chair of the department of afro-american studies at Howard their conversation will be followed by a question and answer period so we look forward to hearing from you all so now please welcome the pastor of metropolitan AME Church Reverend William H Lamar the fourth who will invite the spirit of Martin Luther King into this place as we celebrate this holiday and he will also introduce our featured speaker dr. Jeremiah a right [Music] [Applause] good afternoon brothers and sisters we welcome you to Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church it is my great honor to serve with wonderful people as pastor on this day as we consider the legacy of Martin King it's important for us as the church not to extend the propaganda of the nation around who dr. King was it's important for us to remember that he challenged capitalism at its core corresponding to Coretta in the 50s that he was more socialistic than capitalistic in his economic outlook that he challenged the very way that we order ourselves as a nation he called the United States of America the greatest purveyor of violence in the world and if you look at the Imperial footprint of America not much has changed from that day to this day that Martin Luther King is lauded by corporations and political leaders who in 1967 when he spoke out against the Vietnam War would not have been caught dead in a photograph with him or standing next to him and middle-class black preachers like myself were petrified to be associated with dr. King at the time of his death he had a fifty percent unfavorable rating amongst black people and a seventy-three percent unfavorable rating amongst whites so the question is what caused Ronald Reagan to sign a holiday in his honor except to transform him into a cuddly mascot of America and that's not who he was he challenged at the core the premises of this nation and called this nation to be drew in true and practice to what it was on paper and because of that grand legacy that we are called to extend on this day I'm glad to welcome dr. Jeremiah right now let me share with you something from my own past I was politicized much by listening to hip-hop listening to Chuck be listening to kr as one and there was a poet philosopher by the name of Christopher Wallace some of you all are familiar with the late great poet philosopher Christopher Wallace who one of his great poetic feats wrote I let my tape rock till my tape popped and I was one of the young men who at a very early age subscribed to the tape Ministry of Jeremiah Ryan in the 1980s I was getting cassette tapes from Chicago listening to his preaching and I played the tapes so much that they popped I would fix them and they will pop again because not only had the tape pop but my mind exploded that there was a preacher who could remain black while preaching the gospel there was a preacher who was not as many of my comrades a white evangelical in blackface there was a preacher who was not ashamed of our ancestry not ashamed of Nat Turner not ashamed of Ben mark visi not ashamed of Ida Wells not ashamed of Fannie Lou not ashamed of the radicals in our past and through his preaching and ministry brought them forward into the present age he was daring before many of us even considered risking ministry in the interest of being courageous I remember when he preached in the early 80s his series late 80s rather the good news series he preached a sermon entitled good news for homosexuals where he welcomed into the body of God our LGBTQIA brothers and sisters he was castigated by black preachers but beloved by the folk who realized that God's gospel and goodness is for all humanity and not just for a certain food [Applause] I'm thankful to God that he is among us that he is sharp of mind and that he is willing to share finally I thank God for the gracious way that he has responded when he has been assaulted by forces in the culture he has not allowed what has been said about him to truncate his ministry or to silence his voice to attenuate his gracious prophetic critique when the former president of the United States and his wife rolled a bus over him he continued to speak when the former president of the United States and his wife rolled a bus over him he continued to speak when the former president of the United States and his wife rolled the bus over him he continued to speak he said then and I will quote him that tomorrow this man will continue to do the work of a politician but on tomorrow our work continues to be the work of a grand black prophetic tradition brothers and sisters it is a pleasure for me to present to you the president days epitome of the grand black prophetic tradition the reverend dr. Jeremiah a right [Music] [Applause] [Music] when to pass to Lamar and members of the Bethel literary in his heart decided Ethel 21 to to to to of my mentors dr. Gregory Karn dr. tina williams lamar thank you for the invitation and for the privilege of being in your midst please notice i said my mentors those of you who've been through the educational process know how difficult it is she tried to say something in front of your mentor so you pray for me i told them i was not going to open this session you know I told dr. Carr I was not quite not going to open this time time together by playfully quoting the prophets and all of you love deep particularly those of you who oh geez like me prophet pastor dr. Richard Pryor because the issue of reparations is such a contentious issue with a long long history as it pertains to Africa Africans and persons of African descent I will set the parameters within which I can offer my comments my reflections my report in my position in other words I'm going to try my best to stay in my lane I am a retired pastor they call this self identification or self disclosure I am the founder of one of the three founders of the Samuel DeWitt Proctor conference the other two being the Reverend dr. Frederick Douglas Haynes a third and dr. ilene ivory Lane Carruthers born and bred Amy you'll see the report on the screen which we will get to later has her name on us she is our CEO the CFO age and I see in charge her mother mother Lois Johnson also born and bred Amy could not understand what dr. Caruthers joined Trinity United Church of Christ she had never heard of the United Church of Christ because he came from heaven sent down to the south side of Chicago to see the nature of the cult that had taken her away from the AME Church mama Johnson came to one service and joined that service I'm also a charter member of the National african-american reparations committee and it is through these three lenses of perception I offer what I have to offer today first let me give you a brief biography to help frame the remarks all for today and to give you exciting reading from which I draw my facts and my perceptions I hope you have something to write with or a smartphone to take town with the information I'll give you on you know sex and in honor of John Conyers long hard and futile fight us to establish a commission in powers which will study and develop reparation proposals I offer you my summary of HR 40 and the excellent article written by congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee quote HR 40 is not a symbolic act it is a path to restorative justice her article can be found on HTTPS WWWE touch too much to write down or to happen to give invite you to put on your nose and your phone let me give you the clippers and look up www time hey cou lion seat I don't work you can find it there or you can just google google the title HR 40 is not a symbolic tact congresswoman Jackson as a powerful summary of the battle that extends further back in the past and the 40 years that John Conyers tried to get Congress to pass this resolution she closes her presentation as follows and I quote though critics have argued that the idea of reparations is unworkable politically or financially their focus on money misses the point of HR 40 commissioning to mandate the goal of these historical investigations is to bring American society to a new reckoning with how our past affects the present condition of African Americans and to make America a better place by helping the truly disadvantaged consequently the reparations movement does not focus on payments to individuals but to remedies that can be created in as many forms as necessary to equitably address how many times of injuries sustained from cherrylle slavery and his continuing verses Jumeirah focus on finance is an empty gesture and betrays the lack of understanding of the depth of the universe moral issues that continue to haunt this nation ankle-high watch strikes to you I was telling the students at Howard the chapel assistants who got time together after service yesterday I watched ice cube and barbershop two last week once again so I could see once again how the American public is duped by good entertainment laughter miss education and a conversation about reparations they completely missed the point and they're far too many whites and blacks down the wrong path congresswoman Lee concludes her investigation by saying quote while it might be convenient to assume that we can address the current divisive racial and political climate in our nation to race neutral means experience shows that we have not escaped our history so the civil rights movement shown as many of the most racist practices and structures to subjugated the african-american community he was not followed to silver.i school who was not followed by commitment to truth and reconciliation for that reason the legacy of racial inequality has persisted and left the nation vulnerable to range of problems that continue to yield the division racial disparities and injustice by passing HR 40 Congress tests our movement towards a national reckoning we need to bridge racial divides reparations are ultimately about respect and reconciliation and the hope that one day all Americans can walk together toward a more just future that's the first thing I'm up in a graphical suggest you Sheila jackson-lee sahaba HR 40 it's not about money just a quick footnote as I've listened to the video this morning and across the years says Reagan signed into law a third Monday in January paying dr. King's day I've heard repeatedly speeches sermons and clips some things haven't about equality had it dawned on me while reading my colleague of mine Anthony ready Hari DDI he thought I baby away you can look him up the most of us do not understand the difference between equality and equity anthony better freddie is an afro with his practical black theologian in one of his books he ever faced his congregation not a college full of University Professors but an ordinary black congregation in Brixton in London or the differences between equity and equality he talked about dr. King wanted us to have that word equality Rommel if you know the difference between equality inequity don't everybody raise your hand once to show his congregation the difference he whose two devices one was the game of musical chairs now only who's he is no musical chairs our children Millennials and below no electronic games they do not know how fast they meet Deepti games for those who are under 20 125 under 30 musical chairs are simply played by putting 10 chairs out and 11 people walking around those chairs while the music plays when the music stops these seven behinds try their best to find their way into 10 seats the person left standing loses then you take one chair away you now have 10 players with 9 chairs and so forth and I wanna tell the music stops the scramble for the seats take one away the one standing loses until you get down to 210 people lose ones here walking round and round and around that one chair just music stops and then it's got about to see okay if I didn't see the congregation love that game and they smiled and laughed I had a good time not knowing that's a bastard slipped in to the ten people walking around to professional athletes [Music] so I didn't matter when they were music stop one of those two athletes was gonna be the winner from Jump Street the other thing that most people forget about that game is that the person controlling the music he knows when it's gonna stop question and it's watching to see who's behind as closest to the chair when they stop the music we walking around him chairs thank you thinking louisville danny has four two volunteers male through twenty five-year-old male half row British male weighing between 120 130 pounds English a little cardiovascular distress no high blood pressure so diabetes type 2 he got two volunteers now their ego correct that's equality then he put down the starter's block and walked off 100 meters and said it is how does a starter gun the prize goes to the one who finishes first they both took off one of the African British brothers finished up 30 yards in front of the other one it was even right right the both same age same race same way the same health conditions correct nobody told his church members to one of the two volunteers was a man named Hussein bolt it looks but the only way you can have her fateful racial equity is to give the church member a 50-yard head start when you shoot that gun that's equity our kids go to school using the same textbooks that mrs. Walker used white kids got smart boys like NCIS and I know that feel our kids have never seen a smart board but he is providing our children with the same Head Start that the white kids have when they go in the first grade and it's not about equality is about equity [Applause] next time I suggest a bibliography for you who works at I'm sure those of you from the highway community have read they include Michelle Alexander's book the new Jim Crow mass incarceration is one of the results of the inequities forced upon African American people especially african-american males my next book I recommend to use Randall Robinson as the debt what America whose blacks it's opposed to the terms of understanding how complex this is yoga praises his thousand thoughtful intelligent and coordinated efforts can begin to address in a positive way they Sheila Webb erases Mary Frances Berry's work is equally important it is titled my face is black is true : Kali house and the Slovaks slave reparations John has he coats whom I suggested her car ought to be methyls presented today and he ignored me brother coats has worked the case for her braces found in the Atlantic Monthly shield 214 described as the work that really began to open up the dialogue and caused it to be seen as a serious discussion and not a silly suggestion Raymond one voice of Morgan State his books should America paid slavery in the raging debate of reparations is a third book have to talk to her others her team of researchers is having to a problem what to tell it's a PowerPoint they were going to run through I have to put together my dr. Caruthers see over the Samuel do a proper office we discovered we read completely blessed by here's the other book sir Hilary packhorse bzk Lea's as emotionally right Oh tighten another but his book Britain's black jet so Hillary crunches the numbers and she'll suggest what one of the European powers did and how much money they made has engaged in slave trading human trafficking and black parties being parted parted on the open market I was fearing one of the chaplain sisters yesterday yesterday sir hello it looks at the tonnage folks at the Captain's Log looks at the ship's manifest to see how many bodies left Britain Liverpool how many arrives in the British colony what the desert what the cost different ages children and women translates prices so how many billions of dollars just one of the European powers rules European descendants descendants of the European slave trade out of Britain he accounts meticulously for what Britain now you can just imagine what Portugal the Dutch the French the Germans and the Spanish tell by looking at what his doing much of the math or by simply following the money finally in my short bibliography I would urge you as members of the university community fathers of the Bethel is literary and Historical Association to eat greatest even Wilders book heaven II and IV race slavery the troubled history of America's universities before giving you a quick overview or summarization of the PowerPoint but our fathers have you'll do it Proctor conference five years ago we hear one more critical bibliographical footnote it is not a book that I'm asking you to read it is a statement but one of the freedom fighters you know all of the most important freedom fighters and his troubled and apartheid in South Africa brother Steve Biko back in 1972 thirteen years before the Cairo document was signed Steve Biko was presenting the plight of the ordinary black South Africans Kosovo lived in townships like the way so Kylie Cholula to longer poor blacks who not in bed with the apartheid regime who not getting favors on the ridge to quite land-grabbers Steve Nicol representing the blacks whose young warmly calls is right along so here in America in 1972 Tito was pleased for the black churches to stop being prisoners of colonization and stop read Cosmo of respectability that kept blacks in Chains psychologically economically geographically and demographically Eco argued that the church leaders including the African Methodist Episcopal Church in South Africa the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church in South Africa in 1972 they needed to stop being Uncle Tom's have become a part of the struggle presentation in 1972 Pecos said quote no nation can win a struggle without faith would you please say that you know don't struggle without faith the same people who he loved and he respected church leaders like she's our Lulu Lee and dr. Allan Boozer before we need any further let me ask somebody here who is chief happened the truly the literary and Historical Association lot of people know you are instant at the end of it somebody said it little loud I think here the first African the first African to the Nobel Peace Prize faithfully is the African National Congress and ad/da co-ed in the crowd Congregational United Church of Christ South Africa he wore his Chiefs mad the leopard Boyer had to the ceremony's only on his daughter and giving it to him that's the only time the boys had publicly his Chiefs cookie Eko loved him it was that of course Big O is mad total but in 1972 the desert was not a bishop so Steve locked arms with Lou totally opposed to make a differentiation listen carefully between the faith and religion who's that puts it this way who their religiosity is satisfied with for faith is concerned with substance where religion seeks a place of comfort within the world and his rules structures and systems faith disease to disrupt those systems and structures challenging those rules and exposing them as rules which favor only the rich and powerful when war is at its most profitable and religion is that is most complacent because religion is complicit Saint his most combative in his work for peace where religion betrays the poor and is Craven before the powerful faith stands with the poor and seeks to empower the powerless we're religion worships at the auto greed and prosperity faith reminds us that we cannot serve God and money so much as this go back and listen to a TD jakes song I listen to your bishop what's the bishop Tom wouldn't see the prosperity I wish you prosperity Jesus said you cannot serve God and money one TV evangelist who was at the white folk until his wife got cancer say the only thing you see is how you don't have faith word of faith tell me you poor good you want to be poor you cannot serve faith says Jesus said God and money when religion puts on the robe of cowardice and towers up covers up the lie faithful closes of sin righteousness and stands for truth religion embraces political pietism calculated forgetfulness and hard-heartedness and calls that reconciliation faith calls for repentance they translate sent to justice restitution and the restoration of dignity in other words faith calls for reparations restorative justice religion beats the drum of hatred requirement and extremism faith sings of song of justice love and freedom Ramanujan preaches exclusivist Dogma faith resources and the inclusive love of God where religion justifies hypocrisy and bigotry in the name of God faith along with the prophet Isaiah exposes the truth which is this quote this people honors me with their lips but their hearts are far from me faith stands with Jesus as Jesus says as I am lifted up I will draw all unto me the emphasis is on the word all no exceptions no excuses no ifs no buts you know however if that's not standing on the side of reparations with Africans and persons of African descent I don't know what is Steve Miko was challenging the church to black church to take the faith that it professes and began to practice it Piko was so into black church leaders to get them to challenge the white structures that perpetuated NGOs has perpetuated apartheid perpetuated hatred bigotry and racism Steve Minko was more like a combination of Malcolm and Martin King than any other South African leader now put the three of you who were taking down notes let me give you a quick recap of my recommended bibliography it includes the Alexander Beckles berry people who's that coats Robinson Wilder hanwen boots if you're serious about learning more about this contentious argument of everybody's look at those authors to see where I'm getting and we're to sell me to a proper girl maybe I will be from you know to the summarized PowerPoint because the second slide there was up here is a quick definition of preparations process to remember to repair to his door to rejoin to replenish to sit right to make amends to reconcile and always to operations is a measure of justice justice he furnishes the sixties no justice don't be no peace dr. King was a drum major for justice without justice there is no peace the word reconciliation appears several times in the discussion reconcile resistive definition before you Allen Boothe the young put this on your list in my classes dr. Carr I always have my students and the key is one of easier as I put this in your books I'm going to read as soon as I finish this degree yes sir yes sir who's that candy young have a book called radical reconciliation which gets to the root a reconciliation who very calm root and I cosmetic papering over painting over but going to the root for those of you like gossip you love the book he points out how the white power structure tried to paper over the whole apart eight years of 1940 in 1994 with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and they make it look good the clerk had Bishop to head the division that gives it a sense of respectability you got America South Africa America the world's most beloved clerics heading the Commission to those not fool others you kateri he knew exactly what they were trying to do and lose that deal right about how he blew their minds are not being duped by this Academy these also is a chapter how is that our students like Nakia what is chapter 7 so how does a new class yes we assignable students are available was Chapter seven about they don't know I always ask my students chapter seven about in radical reconstruction who's that dr chapter 7 is about me [Music] he'll still be ready my face can you see that it's like somebody might be too small I'd say we're gonna fly through this that shows you how far back I part you Jakarta how far back as holy issue of everything's closed these look like the International tapas of right yeah were you with any of those how was it how was it covers on racism into in 2001 in Durban three information okay the United States would not good enough you boys are the conference in Durban that's exactly right but Chicago still sensible this kind of reading Emily this was right after 9/11 2001 what kind of leads the rice : pal they say don't go and well they couldn't go to say a little bit more to you in hurry affirmed yes resolutely their path in the resolution 2001 United Nations called slavery a crime against humanity to make a whole lot of the Zionists man they called it the words to our cars in the history of humanity it's like not only with the United States not attend not only with the United States not left Janaka covered [Music] Carla that's right Jimmy Carter because yes record is not a party because was calling one in the State of Israel a party yes phase speed Lobby Mayan DC think so grab the heart of the empire but he's in mar-a-lago to I'm sure you sit down it's not a workday my friends peered from Otto's my friends here CIA in fact I got I got this also for believe me Teresa fly brown the premier habilitation the professor homiletic this he not team total course and I noticed every time a student would mess up badly I mean really badly she would say with the broader smile on her face bless your heart southern honorific bless you also we have time for dialogue I don't think Proctor would mind those of you who would like a copy of this report about reparations that's a need I was trying to remember the word flash however if you'd like a copy of this zina call the little red thing if you'd like a copy of this PowerPoint already thing please let Reverend doctor notice I made her a minister Dana Williams Lamar I know she will get your copy free of charge holy I'm getting ready to go get your bride to power parties feel charge still renting host when I get there yeah the conversation oh absolutely absolutely never round of applause you want some [Applause] that's right so yeah I think I think we're done with the here thank you very much thank you brother now let's see if this thing over there for you back test it can you can y'all hear okay then you want to hold on to it your turn my not ok yes well there it is I'm gonna put this name every go here brother like the corner there mum alright so let's do it properly then one more please round of applause for this first section of the Reverend dr. Jeremiah a right Jimmy no question [Applause] resist the urge to do what the euro Bob would do which belie prostrate and just do like this that in my head um so just as a matter of process with this latest in the iteration of Bethel 21 it's ten minutes to two I'm gonna give over the great balance of this time to conversation and I mean everybody in this in this in body and this collective thought maybe we would do a few minutes and we know we have a hard stop because you got to go back to Chicago checking for others would say where they get their very own weather but you know you but before we do anything else though with your indulgence Baba um rather more thank you everybody here at Metropolitan absolutely please there may be one or two people this may be your first time in here if you are every if this is please don't leave without going up in the balcony looking at that stained glass every ancestor and they're so powerful think about Martin Luther King's birthday of course which was the 15th but this national holiday which really is the result of how many people here in Washington DC participated in or over the art of since the early 80s one or more of the DC rallies or marches to make Martin King's birthday and nationality absolutely thank you because it was DC that pushed the country and right now they're in South East at the Martin Luther King I think it's the 39th March they had you know some of y'all remember Stevie wanted to come here for the big rally and the hotter than July tour and Marion Barry ran the city which meant they had to do what he said all that came out of this so that's number one and then number two to bring it because those who saw the advertisements saw that we had dr. King and had dr. right and between them there was an addictive symbol which translates as doing the impossible and so the demand of reparations anchored in Martin King Jeremiah Wright and that genealogy that art and I look at that stained glass we're having to think about the fact that dr. King said every minister in his I came through his mother and dr. King's mother's grandfather Willis Williams coming out of slavery his son happened Daniel was in lead with that brother right there it was at about 3:30 on that Henry McNeal Turner and they started George equal rights League and I think was Bishop turned it sig got himself let go come down and help out of heaven and pass judgment on my manhood so why wouldn't you buckler pass judgment after he had been elected to the Georgia State Legislature under that golden dome and in Atlanta so the AME Church and the Kings go all the way back in that sense but I want to ask you first about the role of spiritual practice and ministers in this long struggle for reparations particularly dr. King who writes in and I resisted the urge to bring Ottawa's books out I just brought one this is dr. King's first book written he was 28 years old strive to a freedom in the first chapter he's talking about taking that pulpit at Dexter Avenue in the shadow of another dome the oldest dome like that in the south the Montgomery state capital cradle the Confederacy and dr. Wright how much work did dr. King face and how much work do we still have to face with in thinking of reparations as an internal struggle for we as we repair ourselves and then an external demand how much work did he have to do to get past this class issue in black communities I'm thinking about the man who he followed into the pulpit in Dexter Avenue a few if you catch you out yeah I'm not a minister I'm not my last Baptist but I know this man right here has the whole library in his head and I hope you catch that drift and just real brother for a minute and we in a minute we're gonna open this up but how much work did he have to deal with in terms of our own people particularly in the church as he's dealing with this question of self repair reparations demands yeah there's a lot of work on I'm not sure he ever succeeded in that and there were the young to me miss her tomorrow what have you recently left of Bishops fragments read the third and our classmates nice mess of them all the time I saw his daddy's picture downstairs on the wall he worship the last time in life at our church Bishop John Brian was preaching Perry Nelson together for the altar call he whispered to me please help me get up he was that sick he couldn't get up off his knees but I maintain that I love that 18:16 Tim how argument my playful argument with Frank that they have always been in the United States and I just saw evidence of it there's some time for her in Cape Town to Lamy churches to warn in the north and the one of this house Nance Morris Brown right at 12 o'clock noon yes sir no I think it was dr. Williams I've read the history of the Bethel star literary and Historical Society's in the back page 81 dead one founded by whom and again Daniel Alexander Payne I love him cuz he provides the key for argument but Frank Madison me call my good evening friends including Palmer Lois Johnson and Ivy Lane brothers Daniel Payne hated black music I heard you preach that sermon sir because he represented the white strain of the amateurs where was the AME Church started Philadelphia Pennsylvania when Absalom Jones and Richard Allen would drag how to st. George's Methodist Church that was 11 years after 1776 1776 when the war of independence was fought eleven years later Philadelphia was still very very British and the way they talked they were British in the liturgy they were British and so absolutely on into another white church he became the rector of T first African know the a first Episcopal Church for Africans spring still Anglican still very white pretty down took the book of order from the Methodist Church white out of England and became the founding pastor of mother Bethel a freaking Methodist Episcopal Church very very pretty the songs are British the anthems of British the liturgy was British the Decalogue was for us Towson have no other country once you got in fact Coker step back so I like to get the boat we come the first prison appointees don't don't make me go there because there are another one of those differences tomorrow say we will take someone just showed me one of the remind me as if I didn't know I've been fighting it all my life is the color issue my child come on now if you say class I'm like this is named Sinbad yes yes Sinbad see what I won't look at me going back to Africa you say what tribe you from you see the high yellows calling what it is but in addition to the colors you talk to car yes sir the slave Diddy's pee hated attention but has become my mantra is studying at sacred music he said to a presiding elder in Charleston South Carolina because once you get south of Maryland Virginia pinging in the North Kannada and South's Kannada and the low country Georgetown South Carolina go down there listen to the music it sounds like Johannesburg a region but to be entering so he said to the presiding elder Payne did we got to stamp out this fist and heel music and the presiding Elvis said back to the bishop bishop memorizes vo none else for today without the beat the sphere honk OH [Applause] now that pure African understanding of sacred music pan with the spirit don't come are you talking about the importance of security yes do you know the name of the pastor Dexter Avenue by the way of course his niece was that led to walk out in Virginia the great burn and John was no question really my blood comes all you Virginia crazy Negro no please say a little bit morning is it true they ran him out of that pulpit oh god yes no his daughter you haven't uh preparations by the way this is really a reparations conversation her daughter's us in California for Smith Church yes I started asking her because I heard this rumor I want to know if it was apocryphal but true she stopped me mister she said it was so I was sitting there he had a member of this congregation son died no whose son was murdered it was a gangster never talking to doors of his first killed in the crap game for cheating and the family was out of hearing where dis church he said the man didn't walk down the aisle while he was alive why you want to roll him down there he can't you know know they went to the Board of Trustees heavy contributors they said if you told another service service at your church but not in taking our membership somewhere else we're taking our money the trustees ordered ordered him turn the funeral she stopped me right there and told that as a story they proceeded him in Scripture I had to call the worship opening him scripture reading the lessons for the service Old Testament New Testament pastor resolutions another him silent reading of the obituaries he stood up into the unity and he said Gregory car was a bad Negro he said last Friday night Amen the Negro that was better than he was coming out and taking us go to the cemetery that kind of radical and John's believed in and think about this in terms of reparations in this context and then we will come at South Carolina woman John's you know let's grow on food that sell our own stuff let's set up on the steps our own business all and work coming very much out of a reparations tradition he's yesterday you preached a little bit toward the end about Bishop Kenny and about living off the land and when you mentioned the rep for the first reparation what we see in this country of course is right during the Civil War in South Carolina and in Mississippi when the Union uses Africans against the Confederacy by giving them land they had been working on of course they betrayed them in South Carolina I think they sent general Howard out to tell them that they couldn't keep the land but it's that notion that while we're making a demand of other people we should be repairing our sales it's like that absurd Exeter Avenue in a way for God food in fact a little bad thing y'all come back for free as a spy on self-repair yes Virgil because we've been damaged Mantor even many of us don't even know the depth of her damage system about that you say something yesterday about the difference between bondage and enslave right the association of black psychologists 25 30 years ago said in order to be a slave to have to give psychological a sent to the enslaver Harriet Tubman Amy Zion bartender Delta Michigan remiel Turner Negroes who refused to get fired the rules established for them by the table class never gave psychological has sent they said do you know what a slave secular is under very their slave secular you can find about 10 of them in the book of Negroes folklore edited by sterling Brown learn about Tom's pranks and use in addition to the spirituals Africans enslaved in this country but just like us Harlem Dingle Church and they made fun of the church this is the sacred songs that came out spiritual there was some non sacred song they created I call slave the secular I can teach you one very easily all you have to do is say how do we be then which art in heaven hallowed be thy name thy kingdom come Thy will be done be like here's a second city the Christmas singing in discussing is how Father which art in heaven - I'm a slave secular yes income will feed the power we'll be right there if I hadn't took that I would know God knows probably lie there was always that part of our community that made fun of the white man's religion because like the Ethiopians they knew just gonna tell you not to Jesus we do does not disappear till we look white worship this is not derogatory it is descriptive white worship decent Wizards over time to talk to John Kenney anti somatic body negating you stand still you cover your body with robes and John Locke's caps still do the Navy Church in Johannesburg if you want to show emotion be short by using your elbows see your body affirming because the body is not dirty to Africa and y'all coming music cuz that's simply what God gave you the feed the baby I started be ashamed of right and Negroes who bought into somebody else defining them couldn't understand that because it reminds them of Africa do you know anybody following slavery several black churches African mrs. puzzle included forbid to singing of spirituals in song in worship cuz throwback to slavery can we're beyond that we can we listen we can we can speak as you speak because we can worship just like you one hour from called worship debilitation to get eight minutes more communion sunday because we were trying desperately to be accepted some of us still are no question and that's part of the fight so we have in repair we don't even know we need repair that's right we still say stuff you say your mother your grandmother will slap you downstairs no question that sits on that Obama yeah my mother back in the 70s yeah 70s no sixties had a beautiful night for y'all I got some pictures Nina what you say I look like boo Nina what did you think Brady crew wrapped that's what you think where Williams and somebody with my mother said to me she's for sehri County Virginia but why you mess I have like that you got good air slavery 60s mr. toponi laughing my mama right now I missing yesterday I've got two new planned dollars if it my babies are born we check on the air we check the fingernails no quest because you're always married meaning high rock don't get close to white as you can just a lot of self prepared needs because we hate ourselves absolutely Celestia's and doctor no in a minute we're gonna get folks no I already have them to start writing down questions to come oh you have them good so we'll move to that want to build a little bit of a bridge there because you've established that and that class tension that internal repair thinking about a speech doctor no not a speech no Queen you get your finger it's one thing no maker I did not come back to and you see this fear white folks are afraid of the Holy Spirit that no question about it see when black folks are screaming shouting falling out with your African practices and sir corner different slain in the spirit scary to us who have been educated right that's where the Bassett and that's where I really wanted one of the last public comments dr. King gave as you know this was October late October 1967 so he's come out against the Vietnam War that April and you know as we heard you say the more he's wildly unpopular but he's in South Korean Charleston South Carolina when he's talks about what it would mean really to repair I'm time up the external demand there and he says among other things that he gives us a kind of an example like you gave you can't he said it's like letting somebody out of prison and then telling them they don't have a place to stayed and give him bus fare back you can't and he lays out the whole case really for reparations that came give this speech October I think the 30th 1967 and as you're talking reminds me in that same speech he says I'm not interested in the first Negro to do something I want to know about the second to third the fourth because it's in this worldview where he says you know black achievement as individuals isn't what we ever were and it's and it begins here so how much of our reparations demand and you've laid it out like saying the PowerPoint dr. Caruthers has done it but you working with narc the african-american reparations coalition instituted black world in Cobra all the organizations how much of what we're seeing today in 2020 it still needs to be informed by the logic that we are making a demand for all of us and with all of us rather than one here one there one another there and dr. King near the end of his life grounds it in a collective work in a state as you said that really represents that kind of spiritual practice all the way back I mean can we have reparations one by one don't so then what are these people talking about then when they talk about let's give people checks individual checks reserved and how much how much of how we think must inform our demands in then it's not about individual compensation no and as I was telling one of the students chaplain sisters yesterday when you look at one or two of the works that I cited it appeared graphically I will never see no will you don't worry one higher in our generation the benefits of what we're asking this nation to do my grandchildren agree oh we are going for as a people yes not whether they came from Haiti to make Oh Georgia but anybody black takata's it's hardly Atlantic cause of the slave trade grants for free health care money for education free college free graduate school for my two granddaughters who just porn for their kids that's right ain't gonna see nothing not a penny but because we see what we did for the Jewish community after the ha put the Japanese after their internment come on brother it's what I'm thinking about money please we start translating that in the money it's not about money for us it's about repairing the damage you did because it's a created inequities and wealth I inequities and else here how do you repair that not with a band-aid no John towers a dependent but how do you do this period one last footnote on spirit before it wasn't even asked to vote to bolster a but that's what I said about Tina's IDing elder telling this campaign Perry Everett not you the more dear to me you little my mommy made you eat second second Kings third chapter but Josephat wants to know - Dakota Bella he doesn't allies trying to talk him into fighting and us alone together in your profit here called the Kings prophets say you're gonna go on a friend to notice that there is a real profit they're saying what the king wants medicine teeth profits is Louis these profits are saying what the king wants me to say Pierre allegiances to the government about dinner to God how about that hidden another profit somewhere that's the way yeah life is here go get he likes him the colonizer and answer the questions here we go Lord and he said I don't know you will be here but I can't stand you all your mama he says he says but because he's asking ok I will prophesy give me the passage the next words I don't know can't be a musician and when the music starts to play is when the spirit comes on him yes sir yes sir so we can scare the people speaking in languages we don't understand because the hair two people doing dances we don't understand we never learn total spiritual necessities that are found biblically it's like a knife a the story now you ain't got no business no problems doing the stanky leg same heat brother is that a slave secular somebody's doing a holy dance but spirit is a non sequitur you can't have this fear that you can communicate the scientists are gonna turn so corporate communal worship yes it's as natural as breathing that's what the ring come after the service was all no question two rings OH tell it haha still goes on in the low country I asked wanted students yesterday did he know it's a local people had he ever been to the low country to see me Atlanta now let me uh let's uh but the process is we're gonna get these questions let's open it up some here because um one thing about the Bethel literary society as you all well know some folks may not know that this was like a metronome talk about her rhythm this is this convening which stretches back over a century and this is just the latest in this rebirth iteration really convenes us together we should be feeling that spiritual kind of things so I mean these folks are here to hear and not only bit to hear but to be in dialogue so I'm gonna resist the urge to follow this laughs that last comment up with a question and let's get this get some folks up I got Steve dr. Cordain good Oh y'all lookin through him like why y'all are sorting in just let me know when you're ready up very quickly dr. King as we heard it again we heard ribbon Marcia wildly unpopular that last year comes out against the war Vietnam after he is killed it is the two years later James Forman busts up with the black manifesto in the same church he never saw a church excellent so we'll all have it for $20 but uh what in 2020 and and of course in a you know if that became we're here what he is here in the spiritual sense the way you've been treated is very consistent with the way he was treated including by those in power regardless of cover what is what is the demand now what is the demand upon our institutions not just the black church not just black colleges but the but devant the place where the vast majority of our people live which is beyond those walls what is the what is the demand on us now in terms of making the reparations to me in the spirit of a dr. King saying I'm a spiritual I'm not politician I have to make this demand this is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world and I had to stand against it what is our what is our demand now in fact to use the topic of your sermon yesterday what do you see Jeremiah I see our demand now the same as it was when he was alive but nobody would listen toil did I see the young people as I said yesterday the generation has given up on the shirt but he given up on God yeah I see them pairing their demand for us forward sorry I remember the other coat of his just as powerful as when you read about number one purveyor of violence taken to the next era do you look at his coat on militarism yes the triple he militarism materialism and races right yes sir no militarily this is one of the oh no excuse me not one oh this is the military capital of the world no question you know he's got no problem praising the military budget every year and debating over oh well that we could hear Conyers yes puzzle to studying the impact post Calif slavery upon the continent of everywhere and all this descendants because the military runs what happened on the secondary we murdered oh yeah other presidential it there hasn't been a president sitting in the modern era that hasn't the fact Trump's got a lot more killing to do to catch up with Obama but that's a story for another day yeah they both had kill this but they get absolutely yeah here's a statement of McKim others laugh comedian how are these already said quickly you seen these t-shirts the King on one side buried on the other side yes sir fulfillment of the fulfillment of the dream right so King said I have a dream Perry said I have his own many many draws many Jones in fact let me let me close with and there being the reason that brought strive toward freedom is because he didn't make it to 40 as we know but this was written when he was in his 20s and the land there twelve chapters in his book the last chapters entitled where do we go from here so the book that was published after he was killed the title for it is in the first book he published in the wake of the Montgomery bus boycott but the last line this book he says today the choice is no longer between violence and non-violence as we know famous dicta it is between Navas and non-existence that's right remedy be vices 2:28 he says the Negro maybe God's appeal to this age an age drifting rapidly to its doom so this is a king after selma this is a king after birmingham this king before any of those things he says the eternal appeal takes the form of a warning all who take the sword will perish by the sword now he's writing that in his 20s so people you know now of course we frozen him and as you said we frozen him on washington monument there gonna be an American as if that's what he was asking for and but when you anchored us in the spiritual you've transcended the political but everything has to be informed by the spiritual that bridge that you have walked and continue to walk that became what he inherited from his people from our people just for black people but reparations is really the trial is America is on trial and he did say that right he said what is that last piece they found those notes America may go to hell so let's ask about reparations and pawn there it is the first moon reparations and politics is that right politically and you've been involved in a lot of this work you think we were all together in 2015 we all started we started the national after American reparations Coalition in New York I think that was a most part Robson's brothers church but then Robson a me in design yeah been doing rows ropes same night talk a bit on the man's funeral that's right we left Abyssinian Baptist Church and went over to the AME Zion Church big Bethel has won a few places Paul Robeson could sing in public ghazali respectable negroes turned it back on it ropes in another reparations guy he and William and Louise Patterson 1951 they go to the UN and say we charge genocide all that tradition so in this moment politically what kind of things do you imagine based on your long struggle in this movement should we be doing politically how should we be interacting with the political process around reparations we got a presidential election coming up for burning the risk imitating Sisyphus I believe we should yes probably will not come from the church at all from Maryland seeing them for the scene where and possibly trying to force politicians to take this issue seriously how one Rosalee Williams oh you're marrying it wins the candy yeah she came out and said she's supported yeah in this city among other places yeah forgetting other policies partners strangers Island or consistent what about Sanders in Warren when he started talking about a wealth tax one of the reparations conversations that we've had in terms of land dr. King talks about this too in fact he gives a long sermon where he talks about how black people were denied the land and he says the land is then given to the white immigrants from Europe okay giving him all these millions of acres that he took from Native Americans and then turn around Crete land-grant colleges that he can learn how to farm and the internet tell black people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps but but we we had a book with Freshman Seminar this this fall called repair where Katherine Frankie says this should be a tax under wealth transfer and in reading that the young people say well that sound like what Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are talking about but that would benefit everyone so reparations isn't about just us right I mean so so if there's a wealth tax and turns into wealth transfer twenty dollars over the next couple of decades and that was turned into there's no such thing as free anything we pay taxes so subsidize education subsidized health care is that the kind of thing we should be scrutinizing these presidential candidates I got em I think so I believe so yeah yeah yeah one of the things that I haven't read one of the things hockey wondering about it was waiting to see his in this whole LOTOS argument and I'm attacking little Martin because he's of Haitian descent how is it in Haiti beat the French and that's the gone and we still heylia still paying reparations to the friends yes sir yes sir were you answered that earlier they were in that ring shout cover there boys came on ceremony whether they would it uh honestly cast down the image of the white man's God was brought down your tears for so long and speak to Liberty that was in a spiritual ritual by the way that's the Haitian real I ain't ready for that name but let's talk about that because this American descendants of slavery does cut us off from the reparations struggle that we've seen in this country and since you did participate and continue to participate in these internet you mentioned sir Hillary Beckles correct me if I'm wrong did he speak from right here that's right so people watch c-span and saw Todd I seen him down there at the Capitol what you didn't see he's sitting in there who got to speak he didn't get to speak with Sir Hillary Beckles who spoke right here with your friend Ron Daniels everybody else here this next question asks somebody asked us what role do you see Africa playing the African reparations movement in this process and should the African Union be engaged [Music] the embassy because I can imagine what about this thing I think Africa should be engaged I just like approaching the subject of reparation he cleared which country which nation you're talking about of the 54 countries yes sir so you wouldn't see it as a collective the way it would it be a so was it my shoe Dhabi Oh Lord that hosted the the reparations summit in 92 or 94 I guess our would know but they called her by the Nigeria in Abuja they were in Abuja that's so I'm sure that's on the read on the rate of thing yeah yes absolutely and there was a conversation but you thinking it would be better to do nation to nation so I was hanging in your whole investigation where you can we say Africa yes we know who we talk about God I think that's see I felt conflicted forces I know more about the evidence that everything you I went to duty has telling me to be 10 years to the Africa Union of churches they were very excited in that for the first time since they had an African Union of churches Pentecostal sat at the table as equals prior to that meeting Pentecostals say we have nothing to apologize it is by this time they were there too excited they been African countries were pretty pissed cooling medium is a Anglican they were all excited that the Pentecostals came to the table not to fight put the talk and dialogue to be in conversation and look at things in terms of how do we go forward I said I was conflicted why because basic Jews who would not come Anglican but the meeting was held in Uganda oh so he has a political power Uganda's position on sexuality yeah to say it would be hypocritical me to know where I stand on this issue and going to a country that is rapidly homophobic how do you square that with prophetic with this in that way you supposed to go then that took students to that church he preached in like you say he taught that into little things where you got a gun and contemplate your work goodness and I know that tradition he was training it's probably too late let's ask should the Electoral College vote be included with demands for reparations meaning should the the abolishment of the Electoral College be included since it was devised in a formula that involved and slayed people should it be abolished since chattel slavery is supposed to be over I think it's an appropriate if slavery is really over shouldn't that Electoral College end as we stand poised on perhaps the next what do you think should that be a kata reparation and I think it should be a part of their preparation demand unless were able to get rid of it before that Wow it's interesting okay let's get team oh by the way they be city passed the Equal Rights Amendment and Richmond with last week I guess and everybody with their guns is down there right now so those of you monitoring the situations send prayers and get read by your fists up just in case I think was Richmond is Richmond where um what's the guy that preached the sundew move beyond Jasper's that with John Jasper's talk about my job mr. Paine crazy really never judge yeah Megan so given Donald Trump's full-throated support for vice principal I got you I guess I can partially go I'm sticking with your car yes sir and the first question about politics money I'm uneasy for two reasons one two reasons Howard mentioned one has to do with Tory politics operates here's what I mean be honest show of hands how many of you know what the negotiated settlement of South Africa was negotiated settlement you may have heard it called but yes he gets me ends up the average South African white and black did not know what the negotiated seller was by 2 mm she was negotiated before 1994 those long lines of Africa justice are standing in line to vote I had no idea what had been settled by politicians yes sir before they got to the polls before they got to the polls Madiba was a part of it all no question - white power politics power strokes have sat down with the ANC leaders and negotiated a settlement do you want Mandel out of prison sign here do you want to partake in sign here down before you sign read first of all we gonna make this whole front row clean airs still Ramaphosa ok these go get a million dollars cash tax-free secondly you must agree no violence yeah whatever you do you got acute the violence out number two why forget to keep all the money the bank's to military yes sir which is why black South Africans love Mugabe both obviously know y'all stolen then we take in the back yeah Rick Zimbabwe wait again take back the land you stole from us they had to agree to give up the land the gold the military the banks the currency if you want Mandela y'all be the dance to the toy toy thinking it's a wonderful win yeah because of the negotiated settlement because the only way he's gonna get out totally apart they roll in and if hope holding had no idea that it happened people in the United emigrated from did not know that it happened and that's that eyeballs they enjoy so distrustful politicians it was clear to me terms of the other reason is the historian of Allegiance our second reason we're not easy our politics my primary mentor in the history religion to talk to Charles long and after long put this question to us had you ever noticed how many political parties they are in South Africa or in England just use those two countries because a part of the negotiated settlement was however the vote goes these many seats will be guaranteed in Congress for the white racist de Klerk party that's right guaranteed hard infinitum until Jesus comes y'all can have 20 million blacks as opposed to two million wife put these seats in your Congress are guaranteed for white folk well you got the Labor Party you got the Union Party you got the Liberals you got all different parties to get certain seats in the ruling houses politically have you ever noticed that anybody besides those of us in Chuck's class that he pointed have you ever noticed how many parties they got in England UK South Amer Chuck said the only two parties in the United States of America when I'm on the left one on the right and you ain't and neither one of them don't need the one I'm gonna give a damn about y'all [Applause] so very quickly given Donald Trump's full-throated support variety MC and Putin cyber support to trump what we need to do to defeat Ron in 2020 realizing politics is just one step in this process politically we need to double or triple the popular vote we already want to hop the popular vote the last election that's right but we need twice that many numbers know how cool it is theologian that question in a different way yes the other theologian is named professor Dave Chappelle yes sir yes sir yes sir who said chop has been able to do in this divided country divided from its inception exacerbated in 1800 over the issue of slavery further divided under Joe but he's been able to do with northern politician especially president has been able to do he has brought together Republicans Democrats independents we are all who hate his guts it's true and Bill's on that many Republicans of JumpShip and will continue to jump him crazy yes so build on that strength listen you are his ancestors own make any mistakes this is definitely into fire order because the next question actually speaks about one of those people who ostensibly politically jumped ship so to speak Michael Bloomberg yesterday he was in Tulsa are you watching Watchmen know that a Regina Kane got it right went back to the original concept of God but in any rate Michael Bloomberg was in Tulsa decided black Wall Street in his speech he proposed new economic policies designed to help black voters and money for reparations what are your thoughts in this couple of books on here priced a record racial reconciliation and conflict of mind two books that are added to the bibliography book what do you thought was bloomers ankle he's not giving up his billions did what half a billion to Johns Hopkins about 15 minutes ago what are your thoughts on cash for reparations as somebody like Bloomberg I think any offer of cash starts from the wrong premise after I give dad I'm done yeah yes sir just like we passed a civil rights bill the voting rights we've solved the race problems we're in a post-racial America that's right that's right scholars feel just a little blip on the radar screen put it in church language I know you still remember church language this is the difference between commission benevolence ministry we should benevolence and ministry is easier when the mark stands up sunday talks about the latest storm of nature either in Haiti or in Joburg for the members in worship to come out of their pocket one time that's missing a missionary offer yes sir I never liked we threw it there yes sir put his head up and say I need six students from Howard six students from Georgetown six doing some American to commit to two years and Juber I don't see no volunteers well I think in hell we've got it down to a week yeah I'll turn this bad boy burger the gesture living exactly exactly yes sir go for that matter south easy no question and what it's supposed to give out of my pocket I feel like coming here mm-hmm then take a selfie see him post it on social media now dear mama in the casket did you did he kiss me umbrella me smile grandma she did so I distrust in the offer of money thank you a man from the plot from a keyboard thank you mom there are records financial records of the transference captivity sales of kidnapped Africans on all continents proceeds have resulted in generational wealth from this theft what about targeting these infant political to the finance or targeting these corporations and it correct me if I'm wrong nor exposition in Cobras position is that there's not only a demand of the government there's also a demand at corporations see a little bit more presidents how do you mean I've heard about or know about Georgetown but targeting corporations was include universities and colleges and someone had begun to respond positively to their absolute I wasn't a theological it did as high as I was I was talking to the executive minute senior tomorrow questions expensive Harris I stopped my boy downstairs about Lincoln University the lincoln university was started by white Presbyterians yes who were reacting to the racism oppression not letting any black people in the seminary sorry started president pressing those quite a long line and started Lincoln University for me I was going into ministry yes I was telling I didn't know you should go on co-educational time went there and saw all these beautiful black women with robes across this many brothers can't have his potato tonsils I said the girls go here and he laughed at me cuz I was so out of touch that's what you get me an OG c valedictorian and salutatorian could Nigerian women not unusual brother yes sir see that good princess one of the schools there's anybody here for me with whatever son has done I was telling her no he got that one Harrington you love the way yeah we're Northwestern University yeah a freshman first turn black City Councilwoman introduced to Bill Carter pass and is now in a force taking what would have been text of all the Rifa money from the first until Jesus comes right using that as reparations yes and the first week is over $300 now mind you don't forget though as we know Bible that I think that they're 15 licenses that were given an Illinois not one to anybody black so a lot of this is black people taxing themselves even as these companies that rich themselves these proprietors but it but we shouldn't go any further with you more and mentioned Everson without acknowledging that Chicago leading Illinois to the Illinois State wide slave trade commission coming out of driven by Chicago and of course Chicago coming into that word actually going back before they I guess it would be Gary 72 there was reparation conversation but the first presidential platform if I'm wrong was Jesse Jackson I think in 84 and 88 which of course ties I see sister Walters there your husband Ronald Walters the intellectual architect there but later so reparations has been a presidential-level conversation but it was driven by Illinois what is it about Chicago in particular that allowed draw to kind of be a grounding force for combining the political DiSpirito and cultural and getting real results like what we see in Evan's Evan's how many of you listen to the worst Whur top so last week or week before last and ii said was he had Remy when Bush had finished Jeffries on the first part then he had Tony Brown and Carolyn right the quest help about Chicago and member of Tony Bella Anthony Barton said did y'all hear this once he said there's something about Chicago and some basha cargo Negroes are you crazy what you from Chicago response if you don't wanna mess with her no questions we just say that's like you're from Chicago you brought that from the East Coast that's a Philadelphia but I'll go back as far as Harold Washington yes absolutely no please when Howard showed us how to bring together people who don't even speak to each other they're normally dirty it's a work together on a common agenda yes and Hispanics who disappointed us at first I do hear what they were saying Hispanics jump ship I was supporting some of the black community was having a problem with and they all the person function Hispanic woman said we have no permanent friends mm-hmm I have no power me we don't even have memory i/o operations yeah you know if you write on this issue with you dear all in excess you yeah bye Felicia that's a that's an original CBC there are lazy pants let's go to education very quickly and cluster these with a monocle it'll climb there clear questions about HBCUs mr. black college is there a role for HBCUs Morehouse Virginia Union Tennessee State tower in this struggle for reparations in your mind that's one of the reasons I gave a bibliography hoping that Howard students would read yes sir one of your students from the course prepared yes who's talking to me yesterday Thomas bus people I asked her about her I asked her about Tunnel Hill sickos mm-hmm can I read oh you didn't require Beauty we only get to pick one a year brother we're doing the best we can we get them twelve hundred at a time but it is a losing battle I shouldn't say that it's not a losing battle it's a shifting battle you made that point earlier we're moving against moving image literacy the internet social media and so Dooly know it and we'll go back and work a little harder next week there's nothing happening if you know it should be I'm saying I guess the University to make sure our students are knowledgeable about the arguments can read read even thoughtful different arguments absolutely so that they are well versed not a killer barbecue you know it you didn't follow good education everything you've said today in the arc of what you've worked your whole life speaks to collective work because even as you said I'm thinking myself what else could I do differently realize it's not really mean it's institutions that have to do this work so that none of us are outliers so you having come through strong institutions having work to continue and continue to extend strong institutions how do we you know I'm thinking again about dr. King then was dr. King was that dr. King was that King who said how do we get rid of self-centeredness and he says one of the reasons we get rid of self-centeredness is realized that anything we've done or are doing is the result of somebody else's sacrifice somebody else's work how do we get ourselves into the position where we understand that our work can't be achieved except to working together everything you've said is kind of leading us to this moment and there are a couple of questions to hear by the way to speak to that general thing that one does I'm trying not to go straight to South Africa but I am going there yes sir let me start with it with the conversation I overheard it had dinner with students the African understanding and I would go back to understanding that term self-repair yes sir there we are an African people living in diaspora yes no I can't say the second third fourth generation assimilation ESMA solar because a whole lot of damage but starting with the effort that you are an African person living in diaspora all right yes the African understanding of personality formation and the European understanding of personality formation formation I like night and day take your time Europeans to find themselves using the language that you use a king yourself something that the self tests how European's just got person of information starting with coquito here goes soon yeah take heart i am i think therefore i it's about hi me follow about cameo I rebelled therefore I am focus on me self translated in the Hollywood I did it my way about that the positive thing about because to make sure because we don't have time for this minute that self we have control of the individual self that becomes the first property interest if you look at the European legal universe and then extending that self to other objects becomes the centerpiece of the legal universe that's what we call prodigy real a personal property which is why 3/5 mean I can diminish your humanity because I'm the only human being when we talk about reparations we often talk about in terms of material interest in part because of that Western worldview I don't know why that who told you you were in charge the ball was getting ready burner environmentally no but you're at the core of that worldview is a sense that somehow you're not connected to anything except what you can take from somebody else I did it my way yes sir don't the alphas have to learn something like the night that covers me black as being I'm going that great leather stuff now you go stop putting that written by European of course talk about Jaime no question I am the master of Muffy oh wait somebody else had learned it too then you'll have to learn that in it you know you didn't know you to help I am she was a lot of Greek letter in the girls are no Invictus oh no an didn't that the name of the movie they made based on the book man no and then went into cell I'm sorry I think we on the same right now go no getting Africa and I think the question was having to do that yes turning Africa so look I started being every gonna do many of us do not have to go back as far as Africa we can do it two or three generations that's right Africa is defined the personality by virtue of the community that produced you community no question about it yes sir [Music] some of us yep remember anybody old enough to remember dating dat i NZ young people the Overton's you and your fifties hello that a young you know you go get it and talk to these young people right here yes sir if you date her today you found the aussie rules you pull up to the front of the house blow the horn she comes out chicken a second in our day till you get out the car no question caught up on the porch bring the mail take off your do-rag go and sit down to talk to the mother and father or mother or father cuz they won't know who you are who your peeps who are your people they go to my father follow the ball you can do crazy people knew him right because you are defined by the community that produced you I recently lost in seven two thousand so you mean over 2009 I was in Norfolk Virginia at the banks we practiced church Who am I I'll go he's the bass same progress Church by business people without person at the time dr. Griffin had died they were taking the offering and things are quiet the organs playing softly I said if it's a black they finished offering me I love you too both who connects this old lady was walking down the hall Walker and he stopped service for her citizen and 19th other back down no she was on the playground the interim process a reveler things he wants you and me I looked up she pointed me so I won't talk today is open she said ain't you Marion is a boy see my mother who bridesmaids in each other's wedding in 1938 [Music] I'm defined by being we're here for no question yes sir the community produces you in South Africa I said I didn't want to go there too quickly there is the same I wish all of you could learn it today is very easy to him in tu-tu-tu-tu-tu sir the last word is in gp2 you think about - you know we're bad - how about - home - to want who about few who were buying for in South African - I was leading 30 years ago or electric that morning I was lecturing on the difference between Africans understanding of personality and I using BT as an example OSes ferry from Kenya I am because we are yes sad because we are I am yes I have no identity of the we apart from the way you are give me my identity during the morning break our South African tour guide John Doe killed face a ribbon do you know how we say in Zulu head enclosure but you said this corner I said said a lot of things is only talking about he flipped through the notes and beachy I say yeah you know he says they may wish to Oh curse so Mona I'm lost he said we say about you and he literally froze me I've stood there staring at him he said you know Jamie I said I don't know what that means - he's an individual who can never be fully human think about - unless he's in relationship with the community about the human beings she I was stood there staring at him her he said do you know it into his penis and to his in each of those words [Music] Ubuntu the word for community is important to pay all our NTU to know then to you as I said tango confided over home to us how would I know until you piece it into you is one of the Zulu words for breath of God indeed I think her Bible says some about that after the topic later God breathed into the nostrils the breath of God they became living soul without the breath of God we are not human we're not fully human and we cannot be a community without God's breath I was staring at him because Baba ISA and I had just left Dallas Texas and he showed me this PowerPoint that he did our blacks look like in Hawaii before the white man out there look like homecoming in Jackson Mississippi I was staring at Tonto for this reason you know what Native Hawaiians call Europeans how exactly h AO really howling wait generation who i means those without breath [Music] for you to take another people's country you have no God in you for you to rape other people's women Kevin Oh God when you get sick they call a cow Hawaiians call a Caju ka hu who is like the physician in the Book of Jeremiah is there no physician there not a graduate of my hurry is there no bomb and guilty and not a graduate of Howard the one who knows the roots or those with spirituality what groups what are those good to prescribe from the ground from the earth through trees from the knees that when you are sick the car who comes and sits in front of you and stares at your church at your chest in silence then coordinates her or his car who is masculine or feminine breath with your breathing when you breathe out they breathe air maybe then they breathe out all right because they're trying to get the breath of God in you coordinated with the breath of a car in them because they believe whatever physical illness you have has a spiritual origin and if they can find out what's going on with you spiritually they can then diagnosed properly prescribed properly if you have no breath you have no God on that note [Applause] and more please for for blessing us with that breath bobble the continuing in the bethel tradition Asante sana and let's give our full round of applause as repertoire comes a close that's all thanks that Bethel twenty one team would you raise your hands members of the team our staff especially Lucile Knowles and Terry Johnson the Howard University office of the chapel dr. Linda Jones of the Graduate School and a hospitality team here at Metropolitan we thank you all we thank you all before you leave let's spend a moment in silence and I'd ask our senior spiritual leader here dr. Wright to lead us in a word of Prayer you ever see a turtle hood Tahoe offense standing on a fence post remember that that turtle did not get there by himself he's dead today Oh God because we have been lifted up by Bishop in Romania Turner I see Reverend easy having that Turner Harriet Tubman Sojourner Truth Perry McLeod Bethune Bradley Douglas Donna yar Assad to our campaign the first and second we stand on the shoulders and have been lifted up by a supervisor Pam DeVoe basically William DeVoe Adam Clayton Powell senior and junior all poured into Benjamin Mays partners our King brings a new light and host post that the writer of Hebrews describes of those down Tierra's on from the stand we thank you for Daniel Coker please thank you for Richard Allen we thank you for Daniel Payne we thank you Bailey on Higginbotham we thank you for Kumar Singh dr. quick quick quick hard we thank you for dr. Dana Williamson tomorrow we thank you for parents on tomorrow we thank you for those who do their best their very best to hold up the blood-stained banner in spite of what his world says we thank you for this time together for this day of remembrance and rejoicing and has believed this place of worship learning and studying we thank you for never leaving us alone grant us as we go from this place the appease your power and your part through Jesus Christ our Lord we pray and all the people who believe the heart will say Amen man ain't no joke brother

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Published: Mon Feb 03 2020