AND HOPEFULLY. >> TAHMAN BRADLEY: AS ALL RIGHT, OUR THANKS TO A NEWS NATION FOR THAT COVERAGE. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. UPDATING YOU ON MAJOR BREAKING STORY. A DONALD TRUMP A SHOT IN THE AT A CAMPAIGN EVENT IN PENNSYLVANIA. ONE PERSON DEAD, 2 OTHER PEOPLE CRITICALLY WOUNDED IN THAT SHOOTING. BUNCH OF BULLETS FLEW APPARENTLY FROM A SNIPER WHO IS OUTSIDE OF THE CAMPAIGN THE FORMER PRESIDENT SAYING TONIGHT THAT HE IS FINE. THIS IS BEING INVESTIGATED AS AN ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF A FORMER PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT BIDEN. I'M CALLING CALM, SAYING CALLING THE SECOND SAYING THERE'S NO PLACE FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN AMERICA WITH JOINING US RIGHT NOW IS TIM MCCARTHY BY WAY OF ZOOM. WAS THE FORMER CHIEF OF ORLAND PARK. HE ALSO >> WAS A FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT. >> JACKIE BANGE: WHO HAPPENED TO DEFEND RONALD REAGAN BACK IN 1981, WHEN THERE WAS AN ATTEMPTED THEFT, A FASCINATION ON RONALD REAGAN WAY BACK THEN WE HAVE SPOKEN TO MANY A TIMES. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO KNOW YOUR FIRST REACTION WHEN ONCE AGAIN OF FORMER PRESIDENT THIS TIME IS THE TARGET OF AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT. >> WELL, IT'S SHOCKING THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS TYPE OF THING. AGAIN. FORTUNATELY, IT'S AN ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION AND NOT AN ASSASSINATION. BUT IF THIS TYPE OF THING YOU HOPE NEVER HAPPENS. OUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS AND DISCOURSE IS PRETTY ROUGH. BUT THERE IS NO REASON FOR ANYTHING LIKE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN. PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW IT HAPPENS. WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT IT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND NOW, IT WAS A SNIPER IN BUILDING. THAT HEAD OF YOU AND OF COURSE, WAS ABLE TO TAKE A SHOT. IT WAS PUZZLING TO START WITH BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO BELIEVE AS YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE ARENA PRIOR TO FORMER PRESIDENT GETTING THERE WAS SWEPT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS EXPLOSIVES OR WEAPONS. SENATE AND THEN EVERYONE WHO WENT INTO THE ARENA AFTERWARDS WENT THROUGH METAL DETECTORS. SO IT WAS PUZZLING TO START WITH IS BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK OR A STARK ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN THE LONE GUNMAN AND WITH THE EXCEPTION, OF COURSE, OF JOHN KENNEDY. BUT YOU START BEEN THE SAME IN THE CASE OF PRESIDENT REAGAN. WAS A GUNMAN THAT GETS CLOSE. SO ITS HARD TO TELLS POSSIBLY WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE IF IT WAS RIFLE ROUND. YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN CASUALTIES BEHIND THE PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, THE JUST NICKED HIS SO SOME REPORTS I'M HEARING YOU MAY HAVE HIT THE TELEPROMPTER FIRST. AND THE PRESIDENT MADE BEEN HIT BY GLASS BREAK. IT SITS REPORTING. NOW HE'S PROBABLY HIT BY THE BULLET. SO IT'S A TERRIBLE THING FOR OUR COUNTRY. I MEAN, WE'RE STRONG WILL SURVIVE IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE NEVER WANT TO HAPPEN. DUH IN ANY OF OUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS OR IN OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE. YEAH, AND THAT THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF TEMPS SAYING THAT HE WAS HIT. >> TAHMAN BRADLEY: BY THE BULLETIN IS HERE FOR SOME REASON. THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. THE DOCTORS TELL US OR SOMEONE WILL LET US KNOW THAT THAT THAT WAS MISUNDERSTOOD. >> CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WAY, HOW THE SECURITY MIGHT MIGHT THE LEVEL OF SECRET SERVICE SECURITY MIGHT DIFFER FOR A FORMER PRESIDENT OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL RATHER THAN THE SITTING PRESIDENT HAVING AN OFFICIAL EVENT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS COME TOGETHER YOU WANT THE AUDIENCE TO BE CLOSER TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT. HOW IS THE SECURITY DIFFERENT IF AT ALL? >> WELL, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY. RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT PROTECTION FOR THE PRESIDENT. ANY TYPE OF YOU OF THE PRESIDENT WOULD NORMALLY BE BLOCKED OR YOU WOULD PUT IN BE PUT IN THAT POSITION WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE FOR YOU. SO YOU REARRANGE WHERE THE PODIUM WOULD BE. SO THERE ISN'T A VIEW OUTSIDE THE SECURED AREA. NOW. IN SOME CASES, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU IT'S NOT THAT SECRET SERVICE HAS COUNTER SNIPER TEAMS. YOU SURVEY THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THAT IT WILL HAVE OVERVIEW OF WHERE THE PROTECT THE IS GOING TO BE. I DID NOTE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING WOULD APPEAR TO BE A SECRET SERVICE COUNTER SNIPER TEAM OBVIOUSLY OR POSSIBLY THEY NEVER SAW THE PERSON. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES YOU WANT TO BLOCK THAT VIEW. YOU OFTEN SEE WITH THE PRESIDENT COVERED ARRIVALS. SO WHEN YOU ARRIVE SOMEWHERE, GOES UNDERNEATH THE TENT. THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU WANT TO BLOCK ALL THE VIEWS YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE WHAT LEVEL OF THEY DID HAVE METAL DETECTORS. SO THEY'RE GIVING YOU. SO HE'S GETTING ALMOST EVERYTHING. THE PRESIDENT GETS. BUT I COULDN'T TELL YOU RIGHT NOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR BUT THEREFORE, THE PRESIDENT, ANY VIEW OF THE PRESIDENT FOR BUILDINGS THAT. YOU HAVE SECURE THE BUILDING AND PUT THE POSITION OF THE PRESIDENT POSITION WHERE THE VIEW IS NOT ALLOWED HAS IT'S BLOCKED WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHIELDING WHAT YOU CAN PUT UP CAMPAIGN EVENTS, YOU CAN PUT UP BANNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE DONE FOR THE PRESIDENT. I'M NOT SURE JUST EXACTLY WHAT TO A LEVEL OF PROTECTION ARE GIVING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND IT APPEARS THAT STARTED CLOSE TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT GETS. >> JACKIE BANGE: TIM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS A FAILURE OF THE SECURITY? >> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN PRESIDENT REAGAN WAS SHOT, THERE WAS A FAILURE TO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T USE METAL DETECTORS AT THE TIME. BUT WHILE WE HEAT WHEN HE WASN'T KILLED, HE WAS INJURED. SO, YES, IT'S IT'S IT'S A FAIRLY PLAIN AND SIMPLE TO FOR PROTECTING HIS HIPS. SOMETHING WENT WRONG. SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGE. ANYTIME PROTECT THE U.S. HARM, THERE'S SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE OR IF CRITICALLY. LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED WHY IT HAPPENS AND HOW IT CAN BE PREVENTED THE FUTURE. >> TAHMAN BRADLEY: YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON DUTY FOR A WHILE WITH THE SECRET SERVICE, BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SECRET SERVICE AND HOMELAND SECURITY HAVE ADJUSTED THEIR PROCEDURES TO DEAL WITH THE RISE IN OUR POLITICAL POLARIZATION. THE THREAT HOW PEOPLE ARE INSIDE IT, YOU KNOW, EVEN HAVE MORE GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY THAN WE HAD IN THE 80'S WHEN WHEN REAGAN WAS SHOT, HOW YOU KNOW WHAT ADJUSTMENTS HAVE THEY MADE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH JUST JUST WHERE WE ARE THIS. BUT IN THIS COUNTRY. >> YEAH. ABOUT 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO, I HAD LUNCH WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE SECRET SERVICE WHO WAS IN CHICAGO REVIEWING SECURITY FOR THE DNC, THE DRIVING UP TO MILWAUKEE FOR ITS SECURITY FOR THE RNC. AND THEY'RE DOING ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. WE LIVE IN AN ERA NOW WHERE YOU SEE YOU KNOW, THE STANDOFF TYPE OF WEAPONS, CHROME'S RIFLES THAT ARE ACCURATE FROM HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS YARDS AWAY. I E D THERE'S SO MUCH OUT THERE NOW THAT THE THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ALMOST ENDLESS. I KNOW. TALKING TO THE DIRECTOR JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT CAN POSSIBLY YEAH, THAT CAN BE DONE IS BEING DONE. BUT REMEMBER, THERE IS NO FOOLPROOF SECURITY ANYWHERE IN THIS WORLD. THERE'S NOTHING FOOLPROOF. FOR EVERY PREVENTIVE MEASURE YOU TAKE SOMEONE COMES UP WITH ANOTHER THREAT LEVEL. SO YOU TRY TO BRING THE THE INTO YOUR FAVOR AND THEN COUNT TIME. THE FINAL RING OF PROTECTION, WHICH ARE THE AGENTS ASSIGNED TO THE PRESIDENTIAL DETAIL TO REACT TO IT COVER AND EVACUATE THE PRESIDENT OR THE ARMS REACH THEORY OF GOING AFTER A A A PERSON WITH A WEAPON OR THE THREAT. IF IT'S CLOSE BY. BUT FOR EVERY PREVENTIVE MEASURE TAKE, SOMEONE COMES UP WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER IN ITS 3.60, IN EVERY DIRECTION ABOVE BELOW IT AROUND. NOW IT'S A DAUNTING YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THERE'S MORE WEAPONS OUT THERE THAN EVER BEFORE. AND THE PORT, IF THEY CAN FIND OUT WHY THE PERSON DID WHAT THE MOTIVE WAS. I KNOW SHOOTER APPEARS TO BE DEAD. AND WHAT THEIR MOTIVE WAS FOR DOING IT. AND THAT FROM THE INTELLIGENCE SIDE IN THE FUTURE. >> JACKIE BANGE: TIM, HOW DO THINK THIS WILL CHANGE ANYTHING FOR THE UPCOMING RNC AND DNC >> I CAN ASSURE YOU TALKING TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE SECRET SERVICE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE IS BEING DONE AND I THINK THEY'LL DOUBLE THE EFFORTS AS A RESULT OF THIS. I THINK YOU WILL SEE. ARE OUR POLITICIANS COURSE, CANDIDATES FOR THE PRESIDENCY. THEY WANT THEY WANT TO BE OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC. THEY WANT TO MEET THE PEOPLE. OF COURSE, IN OUR COUNTRY, WE WANT TO HAVE A BE ABLE TO SHAKE THE HAND OF OUR OUR POLITICAL CANDIDATES. SO I SUSPECT YOU MIGHT SEE LESS VISIBILITY OUT IN THE PUBLIC FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AS A RESULT OF THIS. THE SECRET SERVICE CAN ONLY ADVISE WE CAN'T ORDER THE PRESIDENT OR THE FORMER PRESIDENT CANDIDATES NOT TO DO THINGS. YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO REACT TO PROVIDE THE BEST PROTECTION THAT'S AVAILABLE. SO I THINK YOU MIGHT SEE LESS VISIBILITY OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WHILE HE'S IN MILWAUKEE COVERED ARRIVALS AND OF COURSE, NO VISIBILITY OUTSIDE OF THE OF THE PROTECTED AREA. IT'S TOUGH JOB. YOU KNOW, OUR CANDIDATES WANT TO PRESS THE FLESH. THEY WANT TO SHAKE HANDS YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY ADVISE YOU CAN'T FOR SOME NOT TO DO. >> TAHMAN BRADLEY: YEAH, THEY REMAIN COMMANDER IN CHIEF. WE TALK ABOUT THE RNC, WE'VE GOT A STATEMENT FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CONFIRMING THAT THE RNC IS A GO THEY SAID AS THE PRESIDENT COMMUTED FORMER PRESIDENT COMMUNICATED TONIGHT, HE'S DOING WELL. HE'S GREAT FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT LOOKS FORWARD TO JOINING THE DELEGATES IN MILWAUKEE THIS UPCOMING 10 REALLY CURIOUS. YOU KNOW, THAT CLIP THAT WE ALL KEEP SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN OF OF THE PRESIDENT, IF HE SAYS BEING SHOT IN THE EAR, WHAT WHAT DO YOU SEE FROM THAT FROM THE VIDEO OF THIS INCIDENT TONIGHT? >> WELL, I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE TO SEE THAT TYPE OF VIDEO AT ALL. AND WHAT? TROUBLES ME. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, HOW IT HAPPENS, HOW THE GUNMAN GOT TO THE HOW THE PROTOCOL THE FORMER PRESIDENT WAS WAS THE BUILDING SURVEYED DID OUR COUNTER SNIPER TEAMS OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T SEE THE PERSON. SO THE IMPORTANT THING NOW IS TO LEARN FROM THIS AND THANK GOODNESS THAT WERE LEARNED. IT WAS ONLY WHAT APPEARS TO BE A MINOR INJURY. OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT LEARNED FROM IT. SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. IF WE HAVE TO RAMP UP THE SECURITY FOR ART CANDIDATES EVEN MORE THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE WANT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER. AND IN SPITE YOU KNOW, OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE GETS PRETTY ROUGH. YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN AND TO CONTINUE FOR THE TIME BEING. SO MOORE IS GOING TO BE DONE AND THE THE THE OUR CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE LESS EXPOSED AS A RESULT OR TO USE THOSE TECHNIQUES TO DIMINISH THAT TYPE OF EXPOSURE. >> JACKIE BANGE: ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, YOU YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE YOUR IMMEDIATE REACTION, YOUR PERSONAL REACTION TO THIS? >> SAID THE PEOPLE WERE INJURED. FIRST AND FOREMOST PEOPLE WHERE I UNDERSTAND KILLED AND SAID ABOUT THAT, THEIR PRAYERS GO OUT OUT TO THOSE FOLKS GLAD THAT IT WAS ONLY ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF THE PUT THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE FINE. BUT IT'S GOT TO BE LOOKED AT CRITICALLY AND THOROUGHLY. UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED THAT THAT SURE IS GOING TO BE DONE. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE MOTIVE OF THE PERSON. NOT THAT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO YOU CAN LEARN FROM IT A LITTLE BIT BUT IT'S HORRIBLE THING. WE THOUGHT TO 14, THE HISTORIC ASSESSMENT SPEND THE LONE GUNMAN. YOU DON'T DISCOUNT THE THE PEOPLE WITH SNIPER RIFLES WILL NEVER FORGET THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. IT'S JUST ANOTHER SAD TIME FOR OUR COUNTRY. BUT THE COUNTRY STRONG OBVIOUSLY FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS STRONG. GOING TO DO JUST FINE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HOLD HIS HORSES TO KEEP HIM FROM GETTING BACK OUT INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. I'M SURE >> ALREADY SHOWING RESILIENCE IF WE COULD CONTROL AND PUT THE STATEMENT FROM THE RNC AND AND TRUMP BACK UP WANTED TO READ FOR YOU THAT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY THE STATEMENT FROM THE RNC. THERE WE GO. SO IT IS BUT SIT TIGHT, WITH YOUR AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE PRESENT PROBABLY GOING PUSH FORWARD. WELL, HE IS IN A STATEMENT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE SAYS THE MILWAUKEE CONVENTION WILL GO FORWARD SAYING, QUOTE, PRESIDENT TRUMP LOOKS FORWARD TO JOINING YOU ALL IN MILWAUKEE AS WE PROCEED WITH OUR CONVENTION TO NOMINATE HIM TO SERVE AS THE 47TH PRESIDENT UNITED STATES AS OUR PARTY'S NOMINEE. PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE HIS VISION TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT RELEASED A STATEMENT SAYING I SAID, I WANT TO THANK UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE AND ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE RAPID RESPONSE AND THEN WENT ON TO DETAIL ABOUT BEING SHOT IN THE YEAR IN THE BLOOD GUSHING DOWN HIS EAR AN ACCENT OR A OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. THESE THESE CONVENTIONS GET EXTRAORDINARY PROTECTION IS IT TAKE TO SAY THAT THAT THE PLAN IS TO HAVE MILWAUKEE BE THE SAFEST CITY ON EARTH NEXT WEEK? >> YOU KNOW WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO? THE SECRET SERVICE IS PUT CANDIDATES, THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE BULLET PROOF BUBBLE. IT CARRY AROUND THEIR PUT IT. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT I SURE YOU EVERYTHING IT CAN BE HUMANLY DONE. I'M CERTAIN IS GOING TO BE DONE IN MY LUNCHEON WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE SECRET SERVICE STREET. WAS GOING OVER THE THINGS THAT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THERE WAS A STONE UNTURNED. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU DO, YOU TRY TO BRING THE ODDS IN YOUR FAVOR. IT IS ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE THREATS ARE ENDLESS. WHEN I SAY 3.60, IT'S ABOVE BELOW AROUND AND YOU KNOW IT. GOES BEYOND JUST THE PHYSICAL THREATS. NOW WE KNOW THAT THERE'S THREATS THAT COME FROM CYBER FROM DRONES FROM A VARIETY OF OTHER DIFFERENT THINGS. SO WE'VE SEEN INDICATIONS OF PEOPLE USING LOT OF TECHNOLOGY. TOO. ATTACK. OUR EMBASSIES AND PEOPLE IN OUR EMBASSIES. SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WEAPONS OUT THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, SECRET SERVICE STAYS AHEAD OF IT AS MUCH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MILWAUKEE'S BIG TOWN GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE CHICAGO AS WELL. BUT EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE HUMANLY DONE IS GOING TO BE DONE. >> JACKIE BANGE: YOU MENTIONED YOUR LUNCHEON WITH THE DIRECTOR, NUMBER OF TIMES. NUMBER WONDER IF YOU'RE A CONSULTANT ARE STILL INVOLVED IN THAT. AND NUMBER 2, I WONDER THERE IS ONE THREAT THAT YOU'RE SPENDING MORE TIME ON. YOU MENTIONED CYBERSECURITY VERSUS LONE GUNMAN. UNFORTUNATE. THEY'RE ALL EQUAL. >> AND NO, I'M NOT A CONSULTANT WHO WAS JUST A NICE GET TOGETHER. A SHOOTER STAFF ASKED ME TO COME DOWN AND WE YOU KNOW, A LOT STORIES FROM THE PAST. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE CHALLENGE FACING THE SECRET WITH THE CONVENTIONS COMING UP. BUT IT'S IT'S AN UNENDING CHALLENGE. WHEN YOU FINALLY WHEN WE THOUGHT METAL DETECTORS WITH HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM. YOU KNOW YOU, COURSE WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION WITH A SNIPER IN THE BUILDING. SO THE THREAT IS ENDLESS. THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED YOU KNOW, WE ASKED IT WAS A FAILURE. GUESS IT IS A FAILURE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THE REAGAN ASSASSINATION WAS WAS A FAILURE TO TO THE EXTENT THAT HE WAS INJURED. BUT FORTUNATELY, THE CONVENTION IS GOING TO GO ON. THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE OKAY BECAUSE YOU SUPPORTED VERY RESULT, RESILIENT AND PROBABLY MORE INTEREST THAN EVER TO GET OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT AROUND THE WORLD. WE A LOT OF VIOLENCE, A LOT OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE. >> AND APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT IMMUNE FROM IT EITHER. NO, WE ARE BUT AS YOU SAID, THE FORMER PRESIDENT
