FLOWER BOY: a conversation

this album uh like when i when i first heard it and the more i hear it i feel like the only like appropriate question to ask you after listening to it is are you okay like is something wrong like like it's like gut wrenching it's both beautiful it's very beautiful but it's like parts that hurt a little bit yeah it's man i was like because for cherry bomb my i purposely was like i don't want to get personal at all like i'm gonna just make songs yeah it's just all just this is a song and in this one i was like all right let me write down every feeling oh you started with emotions just just a lot of them are just asking questions a lot of the songs just have questions and it's just like how am i feeling today [ __ ] what if i go poor again what if it doesn't work and then that's how a lot of the songs just happened just me kind of just asking these qu answering these questions like so it's but it's speaking to like a move you were in like like you recorded this one when did you um but mostly 2006 like i started to end the 2015 a lot of spring summer 2016 and then a lot of fall what were you listening to like um like watching and listening to music i love i was like listening to that pop structure uh kind of just what like max martin was doing and really getting into what what pharrell and uh justin was doing yeah and um just noticing just hook uh hanging out with travis taco uh i went to a club with him and just seeing what people how people reacted you never go to clubs i hate them you never go to clubs when i go i would just study oh that that bass drop or oh that girl loves that part and just like okay i want to have a song that has that feeling so i kind of was like okay i want to see challenge myself and try to make a few songs that's not like rapidly rapping or super distorted i was like last night i went to me and lionel went to like a house party and they they all the songs they were playing senorita by justin tell me by total front and by p like all these house parties songs and cu again came on and it's full of black people yeah that for sure go to clubs yeah and they were in there like singing the lyrics and i was like oh [ __ ] i've always wanted that so just have black people dance yeah yeah so you're i was so hyped and i was we were playing jenga and i was being cool about it but inside i was like oh [ __ ] you're going crazy i finally have something that they could do that to you it's funny because i i guess i wouldn't have uh like thought about how much like pop is you know influenced in the album because because of like the subject matter like a lot of it is so heavy that's why i was just wondering were you in like a place of just like you got to feed you put the some people oh people say you put the medicine in like the uh candy or the apple sauce or whatever so like mr lonely i was like oh dude i want to write the saddest song i could possibly write and see people go crazy and like dance to it yeah it's that and at the shows that show that song is insane and it's the saddest song i've ever wrote yeah it really it and you dance i mean it's so hard it's so hard and like the greatest like bridge yeah ever what was that what was that i don't know if we i mean i'm just gonna kind of jump into various songs but like what what was like specifically that like tr why that transition like why did you think that was like needed a transit like was it like for emotional like were you trying to create 911 and mr lonely originally was a different song kind of together it was this jazz take i had that was super triumphant and just sounded grand and a lot of those lyrics was uh was in that song and i just took them and just placed them on 9-1-1 and then took the verse and placed it on mr lonely and added some stuff and 9-1-1 the version that came out is the 25th version it happened wait it's the 25th 25th 25 those 24 the first version was over uh an interlude song that tony tony tone had i looped it sang over that liked the hook that i put there made 30 beats for it it's and the versions aren't just different type of lyrics it's literally like different beats different melodies took the beat from the fashion show i did reworked that took the lyrics from the original mr only and like implemented it in that and like so the original mr lonely uh it's like a five car garage full of tank of gas some coffee every day of the week gonna go really fast but it means nothing nothing nothing without you shotgun yeah right yeah that's in the last version of 911 car garage full tank of gas but that'll mean nothing nothing so you kept that based off of that exactly so i took it from this jazz song i'm like nah i want i want them to groove to this [ __ ] so i'll put it on that i actually i always wondered why that nothing like why that repeat well yeah it just because it was from it was it was that was the base of the other one but when i put it there and dropped the beat people i was like oh people are going to love saying this and if you see it at shows i don't even say it i just put the mic into the [ __ ] ten thousand people and i'm like i figured it out and then figured out the that that feeling that you want like the feeling of just everybody really connecting with it but wait specifically the bridge on that like oh wait the uh chirp check part yeah yeah well yeah i say but like like which is the most one of the most addicting i made that i remember i made that bridge and it was just a beat and i remember stopping like i made the bridge that i've always wanted to make lonnie came by her frank however people know him and he came by and i played it for him he was like let me go in there and just try something he just started making phone noises and it worked out so perfectly and he was like all right and we kept it was it longer no okay no that part i was like i'm gonna just give [ __ ] eight bars of these chords just so they could want it yeah yeah when i replay it and that's good at that that's okay so how did you balance out and this is kind of for the whole album your love of chords with you always talk about and you always say [ __ ] don't want chords they don't and that's everything that you that's all you're obsessed with it's just everything is these specific i just want chords and melodies yeah and was it like a was it like a battle for because the whole album has chords yeah well i [ __ ] them up i didn't [ __ ] up but cherry bomb was hard to get into because it was a whole album of bridges and [ __ ] going everywhere so i was like okay let me for this album specifically add all the chords i like but do it in a way they could digest so mr lonely has some of the prettiest chords on the album yeah but i kind of hit it behind the hard drums and the fast-paced raps but if you really listen it's really [ __ ] pretty and i was like thank you and i was like i was like uh i'm definitely gonna just try to hide it in those and stuff and 9-1-1 even the uh call me some time i was listening in the gap band i was like damn these are simple chords and i love the melody let me try to implement it in this and make it as simple as possible but it still gives me that feeling so the part where i was like [ __ ] i'mma get crazy is right when steve lacy's part's over and it goes back to the hood and it's that done done it goes down yeah i was like i'm gonna go with my jill scott [ __ ] and that's my favorite part of that song just because it just it has all the chords that you love it exactly um do you wanna yeah we could cut it okay [Music] uh i can't even lie wait wait like what what's the i just imagine a [ __ ] and a wife beater and like is he talking to his friends but it's a quick shot of that [ __ ] like but i can't even lobby lonely it's [ __ ] [ __ ] just being honest with his homies or something and i was just like man that'd be really funny to chant but it's the perfect setup for when that song like comes on yeah and it sets you up for like what's about to happen it's honest but it's it's right here and they go crazy but it's like so sad and hilarious yeah it's like this there's a group of [ __ ] chatted actually that's rocky that's rocky yelling oh that's rocky that's q i think that's wyatt that's lionel that's jasper all right uh forward is uh okay first of all that tempo was very weird it's like a really weird temple that you found like was that just kind of like a well that's a that's a loop from this band called can and um i've always been in a crot rock it's like it was a sound that was like very european eastern europe and you have like can uh you have uh the silver apples uh even even soft machine which was this really proud jazz band took like influence around that time and it's kind of what porter's head listens to for influence and it's something i've always liked because it was just so weird and just these weird drum patterns and just oh these haunting bass lines and that's that's the song that they had and every time i would play it i would just rap over it and i was like you know what [ __ ] it i'm gonna loop it is it hard to rap over that no not actually it's it's actually just a one two three four but the pockets that they will use makes it sound like this weird push pull back thing yeah that's what it sounds it feels like it like you're on something you don't mean it just kind of pulls like yeah yeah and it's like well because that pocket is such a like the pace of it is uh like when you when you're rapping over it's like you do a little bit faster than i would expect you know what i mean like it's like a little bit more why why that song first why that mood first though like i just were you trying to set a i i don't know i just remember making it like this needs to be the first song just go in just so you can see where i'm at in my head and i remember writing that first fully just like i mean like really wondering like how much [ __ ] can i buy until it gets boring like how many jumps can i do on a bike until i'm over it and i'm off to the next thing and every answer that i kind of had went to the next question like it almost sounded like enough it was so existential and contemplative and it almost sounded suicidal especially like like if i'm gone and don't like you know that was the question like damn what if he's just what if i died yeah that's kind of what it was and it just to set the tone of like that's where i'm at yeah and it's not depressed like i'm not depressed at all and a lot of people mix up uh depression with self-awareness yeah and like like someone's like dude this album your person i'm like no i never said i was depressed i'm lonely but i'm having the most fun of my goddamn life yeah and but that song kind of sets like that tone but if you're okay i mean if you're not if if you're considering death right but it's not from a depressed like sad state is it from a place of like all right i got something to prove because it almost seems like you had like a thing to prove with this with this album like just i don't know to yourself or like you always a lot of people do stuff for the conversation of when they're dead like hopefully when i die people could say oh he this this and this good stuff i leave a good discography behind but yeah i like to start with every project i like to start from death and work back exactly it's just like we're all going to die someday yeah and i just walked into day one i just i just knew if this album wasn't good i would be [ __ ] that's how i felt and some people would disagree but i'm like man i'm not i'm nothing right now you felt that way coming off cherry bomb yeah yeah because everyone hated it except for like real music level who cares about drums like i opened a rap album with a a rock song yeah most [ __ ] is like uh and then buffalo comes you could barely hear what i'm saying then pilate coming it's this 80s music so they're out because they want rap then run comes they don't know and then find your wings come and it's like okay this is chill then cherry bomb just punches them so they're out and a lot of people didn't know how to take it so well like find your wings and stuff felt like uh and i don't even mean lyrically i mean like sonically it sounded more personal to you again going back to like your love of chords and stuff like that and you would on cherry bomb like it seemed like you would have like distort it like it was like you're always kind of running from it and like covering it up so that's saying it's your most personal album removed from the subject matter it feels that way like yeah sonically get that yeah yeah i never thought of that it just feels like a real okay so for the sadness of forward that goes into like almost the like i'm gonna say like cockiness of where this flower blooms it was like do you feel like you were like accepting yourself like like sometimes i'm just like it's a lot of things that and i don't want to take credit but it's a lot of things that i was doing and people were like what is he doing and then two years later it's what everyone's doing whether it's the way videos are doing or these stupid pop-up shop things or whatever and i'm not taking credit but it's like i was doing that and no one ever puts me on any of these lists or even respects me in the sense that i want it so i was just and that's why that line is like ain't nobody [ __ ] with t yeah but that may just be my ego but i but don't be too cool because i may freeze and i'm stuck in this egotistical mind state and i never move forward yeah and that's how [ __ ] freeze to death but uh but then you carry that but that is it weighs a ton my ice because it was cold water your garden my [ __ ] and stunt i got a flower chain made like with all these different things and that's what i was talking about but i was also like you know what [ __ ] these [ __ ] keep doing my [ __ ] uh and tell these black kids i can do what they want that's what that's one of my favorite uh lyrics is just tell these black kids they could be who they are dude like it's one of my favorite you had another uh uh um god you had another lyric like that on cherry bomb that was just like uh the world is yours a little like my little [ __ ] yeah bro does your like i love that uh like it's a similar thing tell these black kids they can be who they are dude were you saying that to you you're saying that to like well i'm saying that too i'm saying that to me too but like it's a it's uh it's no one saying that to these to to kids that look like me or to anyone that looks like me we've had this conversation just wanting this snowboard when i was 12. but someone's saying oh that's white people [ __ ] black people don't do that yeah no you don't do that don't put a damper on me and tell me what i can and can't be just because of the way everyone else was that's my same color and i just feel like you're like wanted to tell them like no be you be who you are is such the alternative to what expectations are placed on like a young black guy growing up like it's always it's you're influenced by kind of everything like just kind of like all culture and so do you think you accepted that about yourself through your music on the first knew i knew who i was at 12. i think you wrapped maybe 28 of the album it's like so i wanted to my goal of this album was to shut the [ __ ] up and let all the features be the leaders yeah yes rex here sing for two minutes before i come in with the eight bar on boredom and then i'll have another a bar but i want to shut up and just let the string section be two minutes at the end boredom i think i i thought it was this morning i was like boredom right now it to me is like you're billie jean really it really is kind of a i i seeing people connect with that song that song like i think i called you and said i don't know if this song is creating an emotion for me or if it's like the soundtrack to something i already feel like that's how powerful i think it is i wrote that literally it was 5 p.m on a saturday laying on my back looking like so bored it was nothing to do no one was hitting me back jasper was in the other room bored out of his mind but i didn't see him all day my room was warm as hell because i liked the heater on and it was nothing to eat but dry cereal and i'm just sitting there like what the [ __ ] am i gonna do it's and i literally wrote that verse in like 10 seconds because again it was these questions and these legit feelings of boredom that i was having and it was it was weird to me because it's like i'm in a tax bracket where i could kind of go you do anything do whatever i have all these cars i could go drive yeah i have nowhere to go and i'm just bored and it was it was just confusing to me because it's like you didn't understand how you could possibly cannot be bored when it's but it was nothing interesting to do at the moment which was crazy so i was like [ __ ] it i'm gonna i'm gonna write a song about it jasper has to wrote that song i wrote this song over the chords of uh god bless the child by stevie wonder i figured out the chords looped it and just had it playing for hours in my room and i wrote the verse which was a 30 which was like a 40 bar verse originally but i cut it in half because i was like the hook needs to come back so at the end of uh the first verse it's like um boy i did that right when we edited because it went to the rest of the verse it was like originally i'm bored and getting desperate phone is not it went straight to a different version it was a different pocket but i cut it because i was like i need to put the hook back in here because i don't want to hear myself yeah because it's a weird chunk just i'm bored fine sometimes yeah it's just like that right when we was editing finishing i was like no no [ __ ] that put the hook i'ma change the second verse yeah a little bit and like so the pocket is easier to wrap so everyone could say it because it was too rapidly and i was like nobody gonna hear this deep ass voice rap for that long let me shut the [ __ ] up and do a hug so all the white girls that coachella could see and i'm not lying doing festivals you realize white people love singing along this [ __ ] yeah that's why the [ __ ] boredom is too bad it's probably justice like sway hey you when you do uh when you're performing this album live you start on where this flower blooms usually and it's like is it a longer intro yeah yeah so the when this album i wanted this album to sound like a disney score just like very magical my perfect little indie movie and [ __ ] sound like the album cover looks yeah sound like the album cover looks like but it turned into you know what it turned into but where there's flower blooms we had this really beautiful longer intro i shortened it a bit but it sounds like the beginning of them it's sweeping and yeah and i start the shows with that because it's like bringing them into my world and then it drops it gets crazy but yeah wait and wait how long did you why did you trim it and not just like go it's just by i just wanted to cut the fat i wanted this album to be no longer than 45 minutes and i think we hit like 45 and 36 seconds or 46 minutes and i was like okay cool the shortest plus i wanted to be short and get to the point yeah um you were saying uh like talking about questions and every song is sparked by a thing uh one of my favorite it's my favorite sequence uh of this but of these songs but uh pothole is inspired by something your mom said to you yeah yeah is that like that was the a long time ago she was just like yo some some people just aren't really uh as loyal or close to you as you think and i'm always like shut the [ __ ] up like what the [ __ ] are you talking about yeah sometimes moms know best and i've had to find out on my own like oh wow like you're she wasn't wrong about that person and i kind of wrote that verse like my mom told me blah blah blah blah and uh and you're so you're seeing that more yeah you started seeing that yeah and i even even like and i and i did it as a car like i drove back to the points where she told me specifically like uh when you make three less it makes it right so i i was trying to double back to and the streets are filled with clues that she told me which by the way notice that that's some of your best right the i see some familiars i see some people i knew stuck in the cul-de-sac i pull up get out what up i want to help you but what you want for some people they don't want for themselves just leave them so do i stay here and try to figure it out or do i go and traffic is picking up and if i don't leave now and get on my path and do what i need to do i'm gonna be stuck and five years from now tyler the creator doesn't exist so it's either i stay here or i just say [ __ ] it and focus on what i got to do so i speed off and i'm doing what i'm doing and i just metaphorically want [ __ ] to know like yo i'm still here with power in my vehicle if you ever need to jump or help or anything and but i had to switch gears on them is there but i'm basically saying the damn verse but yeah no no no i mean it's definitely it you can tell you're speaking to an experience or some experience yeah and just realizing some not even in a negative way but some people are things or potholes and after too many potholes you're not going to be able to get anywhere because it just [ __ ] the tire and the wheel alignment and things up like that situations people certain things could be potholes to get to your end your end destination and you just got to watch out and that's what my mother would always tell me and i didn't believe her until i had to experience it on my own oh wow when and jayden came at what point and jayden i was like when i when i wrote the hook i was like oh my god jaden's voice would be perfect for the tone of this instrument yeah and i just had him come through and he did it and he was so hyped and he knocked it out so quick and i [ __ ] love jay and that's my boy and yeah yeah that because that's also i was going to say i mean i think lyrically one of your that like you just seem to be in a real zone right there where did you record that in the album like was that like uh that was the earliest song loki for the album i had that like september 2015. was your intention to wrap more on the album than you did no i wanted to rap less but i ended up wrapping some more because the verses just ended up being so good and then um at the end of pothole it's this guy named alex from wild high club this is band i love my skip tracing my favorite album last year yeah they put out in my favorite song number 10 chapel perilous i'll skip tracing is my [ __ ] that song is such i can't wait till like when i die and i see a movie of my life and that song plays such an important part but uh yeah i don't know you'll be able to see it but you know yeah and pothole was that yeah did you the song was complete then you added just the snow that was in the my when i first made the beat or whatever it was these chords i didn't use or anything but i just recorded them real quick just in the section in the session and i just sang over real quick like it was like a melody i was [ __ ] with and i left it at the end and when we were done with the song i was like oh i forgot that was there [ __ ] it leave it at the end and that's what that is because what's crazy about it because of that piece and it goes into garden shape and i when i first heard it i i couldn't tell i couldn't differentiate like the songs i it just kind of flowed seamlessly into it and i i wasn't sure because also the way garden shed is structured is it's like three different emotions like that you go through it's like you go through a whole emotional arc before ever speaking on on the record what mood were you going for like what was it well i remember making that i had those chords on piano and i was like it's not hitting so i had austin from slow hollows come and just play replay the chords in the guitar and i had it looped and it was just there went to sleep woke up early the next morning played it and literally just was like let me add the most simple drums that that was like added a quick synth it was like boom boom boom wanted that guitar hits and then go back to being the prettiest thing ever yeah and i was like it's like turbulence yeah yeah and i was like oh my god i think this is the most beautiful thing i've ever done and it took a year to write the singing parts and figure it out and it was so many other melodies and i was like wait this is supposed to not have much so when i wrote the parts figured it out and i was like estelle would be great yeah with her little accent and just her tone over this all right and i was like my voice can't do it my wrath is gross but she came and she figured out he's a professional and it was it was really fun doing that with her and for the verse i was like let me wrap double time because then it's three it's three one two three so it's a weird kind i was like [ __ ] it i'm gonna make sure my pocket is just crazy just like jumping all over the place just to give it a new feel from the first half how do you do that effect on even just saying guard and [ __ ] because the way you say it and it's like so uh i i've always kind of hated my voice so like my stuff from like 2008 i would pitch it up then 2009 10 i would pitch it down mm-hmm because i just hated it so around this time i was like let me give myself a fake accent i don't know what it is but let me start pronouncing [ __ ] dear so guarding chicago for the ball like bored and getting desperate as hell said like i wanted to do that because i was like i hate my voice let me make it interesting for myself there was a um uh oh i ain't got time and you got time if there's a you know cause i'm just like man that song is so busy and so crazy i don't need to match that let me be super chill about it and just like oh boy i need to clean next how i got this far let me just be smooth and cool on that [ __ ] i ain't got time sounds like it sounds like it and aunt putting earrings in her purse about the fight yes yes that's what i want i like i wanted that intro to be like oh [ __ ] oh we should leave yeah so when it drops and it's almost like latin about like that beginning so that's a sample from uh uh my mind's going blank but i had looped it and uh originally that wasn't it so i originally made i ain't got time during life of pablo sessions at kanye studio why didn't kanye get on it that just seems like that's he just didn't like it but i thought that would i ain't got time for these [ __ ] so you had yeah cause you and it was just my handcuffs and that was a whole separate beat so then i was like [ __ ] is something here something cool about the iron guy time hook um which i was bad at hook so when i had that hook i was like man i finally did something great yeah so i kind of meshed these two beats together and it was a different beat that i had with the put it together it's like okay i got a hook i have my first verse so i need a clean mix happy birthday you [ __ ] and i was like man on the second verse i know yay is not doesn't like this song so nicki minaj's voice would be [ __ ] perfect for this yeah we sent it to her she was like all right we'll hear that we heard out like a month later it was like she couldn't come up with nothing and i'm like damn this don't evoke nothing maybe i'm just trash i was like [ __ ] it so i wrote this did you send it with the hook yeah it had the hook all that and nothing happened so i was just like all right let me add a second verse and i was like nat turner would be so proud of me and when i was younger nat turner was so cool to me cause he rebelled against all that [ __ ] so why the [ __ ] well i didn't want to say all these white boys got their style for me so i just wanted to sound like [ __ ] like you wanted the emotion i wanted the emotion of that turner or something that's something that turner talks to but you're a house [ __ ] so you don't know how my [ __ ] going for a rough one with my big lips and my big nose and my short head cause you don't already know how slow my [ __ ] grows and then you switch and then i said i want that [ __ ] beat to just go just weird just sound like pink [ __ ] goo just just hard it almost sounded it not this but almost like chopped and screwed type of you know what i mean because you could feel the turning to just i i was like i'm a bar out i really want to bar out like how wayne used to make us feel like oh 607 mix tapes and i just want bars bars bars to go in uh uh uh shout out to the let's fight boy uh hard put a swallow like thick soul to walk with because my pockets look like thick yoda i'm with a skywalker i'm running round solar anakin skin sprite in my tent cola getting neck from a bra like some thick shoulders until i bust like that nine in your heat holster everything i say is hot [ __ ] i speak toaster and the bread orthodox like i eat kosher shout out to they gave a big loaf of green bread got me chillin like a clean sofa what's that thick older like focused black boy it's just fun watching you go into rapper i like but i was like i need to do that at least you just wanted to go in because every song is hella personal and i'm in love and i'm look i'm sad i don't know and i was like no let me bar the [ __ ] was that the thought behind who that boy yes just go bar out well sort of the feeling of it i made who that boy for schoolboy queue all right one of them nine in the morning wake up make the beast like oh schoolboy q would sound great over this and man i could convince him to get rocky on it so i sent him the beat and he didn't reply i texted to him so i was like [ __ ] it i sent him a voice memo with the flow that i thought of it was like who that boy who him is what a [ __ ] with a trump on a oh no i'm gonna text khan and you could keep um like just doing that so he could get an idea of how he could rap on the beat i sent that he didn't want it but i still was like all right let me just let me just add a temp verse to it so i put a temp verse over it it's like let me write a good verse and that was the first verse and um i was like yo rocky i got this song i just think your voice would sound perfect over it he added his verse to it and then i added my third version we did the back and forth thing when he came in there just in the booth like he came up oh y'all were doing that studio after and we just went back forth i was like this is cool q still didn't want it and i was just bummed so i was like all right whatever i would play it for a few people and they will be like yo this [ __ ] is hard like [ __ ] who never liked my music would just be like this [ __ ] hard yeah and it felt cool because i was like damn you never liked it but i've always wanted to make some hard [ __ ] in that world it's like what you're saying about even like that feeling of the party and just seeing people dancing you really yes i was like always intrigued so i was like damn okay [ __ ] it i'm gonna keep it so we had the song we had it and it's this photo by this girl named jonas bergen uh big i can't i can't think of his last name but he's a photographer and he has this photo of these people at the beach and it's they're having a good time but it's just one lady with her arms crossed that's looking back and she's looking back like something is coming and that photo spoke to me because i was like i want to make the sound of what's coming huh right there i want to make what's not in the frame yeah and i was like i'm gonna make the make the theme music for this photo and that's why i added the minute intro with the strings i wanted to that's all i wanted to score that photo the swell of whatever and a shadow of that approach and i wanted for that minute everyone in that photo to turn and when the beat drops that's me poo that butt and it's just [ __ ] what and they're running and shit's blowing up and they don't know i mean i've seen you do it live twice and i uh it's not a lot of your songs that have that like true effect of that drop like that anticipation that leads to that drop and it's a crazy thing watching people just lose it right is that one of your favorite moments i dropped i wanted to drop a [ __ ] bomb i wanted that i like that feeling of going of if they don't play in the club but knowing that it could or like [ __ ] in atlanta blowing their subs out because the bass is just so so hip or like when you hear that you know oh she's like jaws yes this album was supposed to just sound like a score yeah so you were a lot of them so i was just really doing that and that photo specifically just was that also uh i haven't been to a mall since you said i don't shop at the mall oh y'all just dumb oh yeah yeah yeah i i i went to a mall once and i felt very guilty for some reason just feel like i just felt like yeah even even even as like when i started buying my own clothes at 14 15 like the stuff that i wanted just were at these different boutiques and like random stores and stuff but it was your first like cool ass piece of clothing uh when i was when i was 15 i saved up a hundred and twenty dollars about this yellow and purple zigzag ice cream shirt from union and i was ridiculously happy i saved up so much money here's the question and i didn't that was a lot of money for a 15 year old to spend on a shirt yeah but i always see these two different people people who complain about the price or people who say okay i'm gonna do that and i was like oh that shirt's that much [ __ ] that's a lot but i'm gonna work my ass off and get that shirt and i did and i spent 120 on that shirt and it was my favorite thing here's the question how often did you wear it like how did you space it out [ __ ] [Laughter] because you can't that's not really specific that was uh like at least twice every two weeks okay so like yeah i spaced it out but i loved it i loved looking at the bag i just like i loved it just the design and um yeah that was that was my [ __ ] that was your [ __ ] it's funny but uh talking about like just rap two and you talked about wayne i love anytime from smuckers to dropping seeds it's like weighing over a jazz just a jazz record it's just one you rarely hear it he did like it was like two on the carter three mm-hmm but and like the mystery that but it's i remember i made one of three has comfortable look he has a hey they have dr card uh yeah but that's just really a loop and it's the uh i'm i may drop the seeds and it instantly i think i think lionel was there it was just a quick instrumental i mean i was like i'm getting wayne on this i'm getting wayne on this i only want 16 bars maybe eight but wayne has to go over this why the decision for you not to join because i was like i was like no i just have a little hook at the end but i want to hear wayne over these notes and this pocket and i want to see what he would do and his high-pitched voice over this lower tone of like this this weird brian bennett like lounge library music i made i want wayne over that because i mean after a while hearing hearing wayne over some like 808s and some [ __ ] like that it's like cool well he becomes really cool like you sound like so and the whole album was supposed to be about flowers and gardens yeah i was just saying what did you tell him the whole i was supposed to be about every song supposed to be about flowers and gardens and so supposed to supposed to sound like a score but it ended up changing and this is one of the first songs finished like potholing dropping seeds and i was like uh yo um just swap about flowers and garden trees whatever and i was on tour for cherry bomb in omaha nebraska and i got a text from him like check your email i'm like i check it and me and travis is sitting there what the [ __ ] and not only did he bar out but i've never heard wayne over prices write music yeah and i'm just like yeah smuckers was the closest that we got and i was like i did it again and i was like and so on topic it's it's so on topic it's so so good sometimes it's also like a really what is it like a minute and a half 36 seconds it's goddamnit 36 seconds it is 36 seconds isn't it i've added a whole minute to like that's that's dropping the live versions longer but yeah how long did you make it like initially and why and why i wanted it super short just as just one of those just interludes that i just keep wanting to replay but that's um that's like the music that plays in my head just daydreaming just those chords just like in my dream world it's chords that just play in the air mm-hmm like 20 years old like on my dream planet that's what it is but that's literally just my daydream just music just notes and that's what it is no drums just melody and then that's when you know shane powers and then shane powers voice which fits really perfect really well with the juxtaposition says you want to be super [ __ ] like it's so aggressive goes in to see you again with the humans in my dream state yeah i mean that's because that's my that's my daydream music sometimes yeah the intro to see you again seems like a like a poem that you wrote just like a little like what what's what is see you again like what is that about is it just is that still speaking to loneliness is it speaking to like the female that's how it's supposed to literally be about just the dream person like you literally i only see you in my sleeping in your dreams when i could never find you i've been where are you and that's what all those those things are and i the can i get a kiss can you make it last whatever i'm about to go to war i don't know if you could go into war that's just i'm going to wake up yeah i wake up and go to the real world yeah that's literally what that is and then i was like this needs to go somewhere so i was like i'm gonna just have an eight bar rap verse really short but i just want it to [ __ ] punch and that's when it switches yeah you hear me okay you hear me in the background like i'm gonna switch it up okay boom boom boom and that's when it goes like that and i was like let me try a different flow i want to sound like a [ __ ] okay okay i just thought that would be cool what the [ __ ] do you what the [ __ ] you don't understand me what the [ __ ] like oh by the way dirt colored eyes is roasting it cheek dirt colored eyes i tried to i was trying to say stuff in a different way oh i love your brown eyes no let me hmm the and then speaking to the theme of flowers speaking of the theme of flower these rose tinted cheeks these dirt color eyes sugar honey iced tea bumble bee on the sea like it all ended up working out that's kind of the energy you bring to glitter right it's just kind of it's like this fun that is like more pop more and like what so glitter is just what like is that you just singing [ __ ] around just like being on my mind yeah i'm losing cuz i hope that we who's that is who is that's frank what are those runs in spite who is that well you know i mean it's you but i'm just saying i love 90s r b yeah just because it was hard drums pretty chords and people trying to outrun themselves hitting those gospel those gospel runs and that just always got to me yeah and i wrote that for bieber oh really i wanted justin to have that song but i didn't hear that i hope because i feel like a firework i feel like glitter and every time you come around i i thought he would be so cool doing that but uh didn't ever return the call so [ __ ] it i'll just like [ __ ] it out write it and just make it cool um and then slow it down then well before that i was like damn quavo has a cool voice and cool pockets i wonder if he will be cool on on the rap part for this because i didn't feel like writing another singing verse and then i was like ah you know maybe maybe i i don't know here let me let me kind of rap in how i would like cueva to rap and then that's when mirror mirror on the wall feeling good feeling good and great he's like fired by inspired by quavo so glitter was one of those songs i was like man let me let me do that and i listen to all the music slow down like just yeah you do you do that a lot is it just trying to isolate or is it i don't i just like it better not slowed down but pidge down yeah yeah that's what i mean yeah yeah pitch down so i was listening to glitter like that and then i just slowed it down just to see and that's when i started uh i rapped like this monthly dude bad boy one and i was like oh [ __ ] let me write a verse real quick who did the guitar on when uh st steve lacy i was like come here i got these chords come play these chords on the guitar he came and then i was in my room just [Music] and then i say scum [ __ ] flower boy and it just all just mashes and i shout out track 10 off the skip tracing album yeah on that verse and it just sounds like a sunset and it it it sounds like uh it sounds like defeat but it's beautiful and that's what i wanted to capture as the last song and then i was like no i can't end it with that this album needs the credits oh is that what oh that's what sparked and that's what enjoyed because it was just like that's over the okay that means is that you and p just kind of how's that so enjoy today right now is literally a beat that i've made in five minutes lina was there we was going to trampoline world i was like wait that was the loop and then added some chord blah blah blah at the middle part oh [ __ ] it's done left it there didn't touch it and then the last part in 2012 or 11 me and pharrell we won the studio it was just a simple drum pad and i was like hey could you sing over these chords and i'm going to treat it like a sample and it was the ah yeah i refound it it was like [ __ ] i'm gonna add it to the end to enjoy today right now and i put it there it's a crazy yeah to an emotional you know what i mean like an emotional uh album that goes through loneliness and like all these emotions and and paranoia uh uh into just like oh this is a delightful he he's okay yeah that's what he's doing right yeah he's okay a lot of people what annoys me people will come up and just film me can i get a photo and i'm like no and they're like oh well [ __ ] you didn't leave and i'm like but i'm down to have a conversation like [ __ ] put the phone down let's talk i'm not gonna talk you'd rather have a movie at this show like this and i'm like i'm [ __ ] five feet in front of you i'm right here in real life yeah but they'll rather enjoy that moment two weeks from now because the end of enjoy right now today just is so like stevie yes it's like a real stevie and that's the godfather of just my existence the first stevie song that you uh uh really was just like oh you gotta listen to that you were infatuated with was uh uh never in your son oh man just because those number five on in square circle i think from 87 88 that weird time could be 85 i because i could be off but it just sounds like a updated stevie wonder song if uh timberlake or someone was going to sing over it yeah but the chords are crazy and the reality just keeps on just going that's a whole is that your favorite what's your favorite stevie cor like i know it's hard that's impossible but i'm just saying like uh you have too high oh too high you have the ending the ending of too high where it just because the the tempo kind of slows down just like it's just it's one of the greatest like just slow down the it lands like a leaf someone you love is looking for another pure love crazy looking for another pure love is the weirdest temple like it like think about that temple just like yeah [Music] like so weird and then obviously golden lady number four golden lady is perfect because it's a version by jose feliciano jose feliciano jose feliciano of golden lady he does california dreaming and golden lady yeah but it's this run that he hits in the golden lady version of that that i have on my phone in my video that i just [ __ ] oh really over and over and i practice it because i'm like i want to perfect that one day there are certain um jose feliciano does it's a version of too high of of stevie jamming the two high and then going in the golden lady where's seven seven what is what concert uh it looks like that same concert girls to do the thing you call my if you really love me if you really like it he splits it up there's a woman in that uh shot that looks like my mom and so i already love the thing and then there's this a woman in the shot that looks like my mom and and i just watch it and almost cry all the time [ __ ] is crazy um but wait wait what i was gonna say because uh uh the stevie man i'm blanking on uh it was a it was another question off of something that you said but okay that so that's you and pharrell what is pharrell just comes in with vocals on the thing yeah i just was like can i use these old vocals he was like yeah and i was just like let me just have it at the end and that that's the [ __ ] that makes five-year-old me melt that's when i was five the notes and i didn't know what chords were what anything was but i was i always say it goes down and yeah it slants and slams i played a song uh for you uh by stevie wonder and take six uh uh why i feel this way and i remember you were like almost like you made me turn it off and you're like in a fetal position take it because i don't know what the [ __ ] those notes do to me ever since i remember being seven mm-hmm and when it would rain i would put on either uh number three from love deluxe by shade uh couldn't love you more mm-hmm or i would put on uh number 10 always on my mind by brandy yeah and yeah those chords i would just look at the sky and the i would cry because the chords would just do something to me and i don't know what it is i can't explain i hope when i die it just gets explained to me but they do something to me and i've it's almost like a dog whistle for like dog specific chores that yeah i think we have a lot of similar cuz we've talked about like really specific about like uh the bridge of music soul child's half crazy dude same one four three one four three how many times is the soundtrack to my top three times of my life and that's some cb2 just it's like the loves in need of love today type of just vocal and kind of phrasing that music like dude the bridge of senorita i want to just [ __ ] kill myself is that your favorite bridge i mean i know that's such a you know it's it's like i can't reference that a lot it's too many half crazy's bridge is insane too yes yes like music first two albums really shaped a lot of them yeah they're a reason uh newness all of those yeah number two dear god he was on the scene yeah the settle for my love bridge is crazy yeah yeah it is very yeah it and those like it really comes out in like your work the bridge on uh since i had you by marvin gaye which is written by leonard yeah and uh french waltz by leon where is a bridge itself what's crazy about since i had you you forget that there's just a woman moaning over most of the the whole song she's just like she wasn't moaning like the whole time yeah she makes no goddamn sense no the bridge on number three by cortex from uh tropea blue i don't know how to pronounce the title because it's french but it might be french i don't know but number three it's lafayette samba or something the hook is just this girl like excuse my voice and it i want to kill myself every time it comes on i have a 10 minute version of it looping oh you just you did it yeah someone made a 10 minute version of this song called smile by pharrell that came out on some japanese disc and the song not like the classic the song is kind of gross but the bridge is it's i have a 10 minute version of this yeah and it i played it for lionel he just laughs because he's like you want to listen to this part of this song for nine just specific and i'm like [ __ ] yes but you get that like you were talking about the uh oh i know i was going to say jose feliciano also did like my fire and it was is this one guitar kind of thing riff that he does that i just want to loop over and over i also like uh what what are you playing piano on that i uh i the chorus of wolf are perfect man like i watch this video of just you doing the over and over because it's just this beautiful that's my i've always liked that even in yonkers like the second verse is just some piano chords that come in for two seconds and i'm like like i have i have a version of that where that just loops i want to talk about the well kind of the opposite of these beautiful chord emotions november is like one of the heaviest songs right and it it's you're like paranoid is that is that the theme would you say that so that was the thing that was the last song for the album that you recorded yeah literally and um it was just me thinking just literally yeah it made me be like what is are you and clancy okay what if when i put who that boy out no one cares what if i'm hustling backwards what if my accountant is stealing money from me and i don't know it yeah just everything that could be the worst thing that could happen to me at that moment i was just like what if i remember talking to clancy right after and he was just like yeah he has a love hate with me on this album [ __ ] pothole he's like only trust me and then by november he's just like this [ __ ] stealing his went through this whole like but is it was it just you it seemed like a journal entry yeah in november of 2016 was probably the greatest time of my life why we had rented a house out every morning we would wake up right for the jellies um i was starting to get involved with converse after that was done um we would spend time at least me and jasper playing the game i went about the vr stupid playstation game we had the new mario switch um when we were done working why would come out we would go to the park or just like go bike riding or just whatever go to shows and then i would go to the studio and i'll be working on the album tell me what's your november is it a person uh it it could like it could be a person it could be a song it could be a time but just those things that just make you super happy and it's kind of like the totem in inception yeah yeah literally and that house we had on cold water um was just an amazing time yeah and i was literally wearing hawaiian shirts in january and it was cold yeah but you just it was that was the mindset you were in yeah it wasn't it was [ __ ] great dude it was so goddamn good yeah i'm but it it's funny how if you would have ended the album with november how it would change people would be like yo give this are you okay oh yeah no people are you okay very concerned about like yeah i'm really glad that you kind of switched and went up and and the whole time being a car ride and me ending that verse on november with what if i thought the break was the gas what if i crash yeah if these deep thoughts is my last let me pull over quick yeah that's when i make the phone call for glitter which is just a voicemail or whatever it it all yeah it's really it all ties in why flowers i never asked you like what what was like the symbolism behind just they're beautiful they're just nature's eye candy and i thought it would be cool yeah and that cover being golden hour for the past few months every golden hour i listen to night and day by everything but the girl and tracy thorne is the singer who sings from everything but the girl they have a lot of great songs and the first part of november is me singing something they don't want to talk about it i wrote that wanting tracy thorn to go there but i'd never asked because for that specific part i already got rejected by rick ross because i wanted an a bar from him there so his voice is such a heavy voice the tone of his layered over there would have been perfect but yeah it kind of didn't work out and i was like whatever so i just put that ref there for tracy thorne but i never went through with it because i just was like i just want to finish this album um i'm over it i feel defeated [ __ ] it i'll just leave my voice there and that's and that's what that is and i want it i want to play boy cardi on november on the part where i'm like take me back take me back yeah i think that i think his voice is like a go-kart like in new york i'm really right like the handling is so personal and i think it's so sick yeah so that part in november was take me back i was gonna get played with cardi to do it that would have been rick ross you playboy cardi and tracy thorn oh just one yeah but it came out great it came out great and it's crazy a lot of these songs on this album is just songs that people didn't take but i think because it came out and it works i could now maybe be like hey pop artist i just want to produce or hey i could write a cool little melody like let's do it hopefully no one's called yet but i mean but you want to do that you want to just that's all i want to do like if i if that if i could be successful in that because you always talk about wanting to score things you talk about this being just want to score some score a few things and just produce songs i don't do i don't have to wrap it all and make clothes and just create other [ __ ] but i don't want to [ __ ] rap well i mean look but it's fun it's funny i like it but i mean like i say that i mean i'll go [ __ ] put a verse on something because it's still fun like yeah i mean but but it's not even just about that it's more feeling you know i mean you almost create music like a director you know it's all it's about the encompassing feeling of everything you know what i mean so it's like like again like garden shed is like it's just an emotion that then you rap on when it suits the emotion like guard just sounds like the indie movies i like yeah and then who that boy sounds like horror this whole album was just a goddamn score yeah you know somebody got to give me a goddamn chance the 70 year old white dude still do it like come on well i mean you have fun such an amazing year and you know uh i'm very thankful that you make music thank you yeah really i'm like really thankful that you make music it's genuinely beautiful and you know i think it's i'm trying to think [Music] go

Channel: Tyler, The Creator

Views: 4,207,098

Keywords: tyler the creator, jerrod carmichael, scum fuck flower boy, sffb, flower boy, interview, grammys, two furry chairs, send one your love, see you again, golf wang, 911, i aint got time, musiq 143, cortex samba, justin senorita, pharrell smile, garden shed, boredom

Id: WrcwcMIYpQg

Length: 58min 19sec (3499 seconds)

Published: Mon Jan 22 2018