First Long Trip In The Mustang Mach-E! Over The Rockies To The Left Coast Battling Charging Issues

hello and whoa almost fell hello and welcome to another out of spec motoring video in this video we are going on a road trip and it's actually a pretty big one road trips are back friends and we have a mustang machi extended range all-wheel drive for the trip let's talk about the setup where we're going why we're going and all the good stuff's going to be a long one but you guys like that as do i so let's have a good road trip leaving here colorado on a beautiful sunny day [Music] this is the 2021 ford mustang mach e first edition this grabber blue color is only available in the first edition and soon to be released gt version which will be the fast one currently this is the highest power mustang on sale has about 350 horsepower so it's pretty quick but not like a model 3 performance quick that'll be the gt we'll be competing with the model y performance and has 270 miles of epa rated range so i'm excited to see how close we match that on the highway maybe we'll do a little range testing that'll be for another video of course and we need to talk about the charging curve and our road trip strategy you can see here i have it charging on my tesla wall connector with a tesla to j1772 adapter and this will keep us actually i believe we're already at 100 state of charge i think the answer is yes all right let me tell you a little bit about where we're going we are going from here in fort collins colorado at our new home all the way to los angeles california where i have to go uh do some range testing and a review uh porsha was really nice and invited me to drive uh sort of a pre-production european spec tycon rear wheel drive with german plates i love driving european plated cars in the u.s and uh so that'll be cool so i said yeah i definitely got to go do that do the the range test video for some of our other channels and uh we're going so this 330e phev needs to charge so let me unplug the mustang plug in the bmw you can see our review on this on out of spec reviews that's another one of our channels and i highly recommend it if you like all cars we still review evs so we're going to take the mustang fully charged to los angeles we're going to test two things i'm really interested in one is the charging strategy if you haven't i did a deep dive into this charging curve video on out of spec reviews that actually went up this morning and uh by the time you're seeing this it would have been a week old or so and this is a really wild charging curve it limits your charging speed at max current based on the time that you plugged in so basically if you plug in at zero percent you'll only get a short period of time at 160 kilowatts but if you plug in at 20 you'll get a bit more and uh so it really we're gonna have to figure out how to road trip this thing what's the ideal pull in state of charge and we definitely do not want to go past 80 state of charge because as soon as you tip over to 80 it drops to 12 kilowatts on the dc fast charging curve which is just insane so we're gonna have to do all of this trip running between zero and eighty percent state of charge of course we'll full charge it overnight at hotels if we can find hotels with chargers this is going to be great i just activated plug-in charge i've done this through the fordpass website i signed up put in all my details they're giving us 250 kilowatt hours free which is really nice and then the rest will go on my credit card i guess so let's try it out jump in and see if the route planner routes us through fast chargers on the way to los angeles the car just finished charging here at 100 so let's close the flap of course it's ccs j1772 it'll do 48 amp onboard charging here on ac and then a peak i've seen of 167 kilowatts here's alyssa you're not coming on this trip no you're we're basically going on a road trip to drive let's plug in the uh 3 series here this one only has a 16 amp on board charger 3.7 kilowatts not that fast but it does have a 12 kilowatt hour battery which how many of that 12 kilowatt hour battery is usable i don't know yeah not nine kilowatt hours it's got a pretty big buffer saying goodbye to blue bye buddy we'll miss you bye oppa he's like pretty much a part of the family now and where's uh where's ellie ellie there you are goodbye see you all in i don't know four to five days something like that well we are charged up to 100 you can see an indicated 212 miles again epa this car is 270 but i've been ripping it around so 200 sounds about right 210 that's honestly what i get about on my model 3 performance long range again uh with with uh on the highway this ford keeps setting off this laser system here i wonder if it has to do with the eye tracking so i'm going to have to shut laser off on the escort max 360 right there i have the gopro there for your driving footage and now let's take a look as to how the trip planner works here so what i think i'm gonna do is type in los angeles the city of angels and then where we're going is actually in gardena to pick up the porsche uh at uh their special thing why can i type i'm clicking everything wrong here because i'm looking at my phone we're going to go back to nav and we'll see what works because this also has wireless card play so we'll see if i end up using waze on my phone or this system here and i think it all depends on how good their route planning is so 852 miles to the west it's going to be about a 1200 mile drive yep 1076 miles or so it's only 15 hours it's really not bad uh it wants us to go up and over we actually can't do that because there's no chargers so it's suggesting the wrong route there i think that's the backup route that it's suggesting right so we're going to take the initial one it says they're tolls no problem let's hit go calculating 100 percent and ev chargers are being added to the trip hey this is pretty good the alert can use voice commands while driving yeah don't like that so it says nine chargers a total of four hours and 35 minutes it's routing us through a charge point dc charger 35 minutes to 60 okay um and then electrify america's the whole way through and then evgo yeah hey this is the best route plan that i've seen this thing do so far one of the times i tried it put me to a seven kilowatt charger and i was like that doesn't make sense honestly probably we'll just use electrify america the whole way we can skip this charge point at only 190 miles we'll probably stop in lakewood or maybe up in the mountains a little bit on ea and i've just tried to put on plug-in charge so i definitely want to do that and i'm also comfortable with the ea network at this point so i would prefer to use them as our sole energy provider if possible if not we'll use all these other ones well with everything set up we're topped up to a hundred percent i think it's time we head out we learn about the maki we figure out it's charging we see if this is a good road trip vehicle and we are off to los angeles now it's 1 34 p.m right now i imagine we'll get to like utah maybe to vegas tonight somewhere around there around satan george is what i'm thinking we'll find a hotel and then we'll arrive in la tomorrow we're really not in a huge time rush here time crunch we're leaving ourselves plenty of buffer so that if we do have charging issues we can handle them but i say let's uh load up and head out [Music] [Applause] oh [Music] beautiful views up here in the mountains i figured i'd take some time to talk about ford's co-pilot 360 some of the driver assistance systems that i'm using here as long as this mini doesn't crash i don't know what he's doing just move over there's no one there anyway gorgeous views so co-pilot 360 is ford's driver assistance system it is not unique to mustang machi i've recently reviewed an f-150 for our reviews channel that had this system as well and right now it sort of has limited functionality you can see it's taking corners just fine really good system doesn't do lane changes i don't think it ever will but it you know basically does the lane centering perfectly now right now i have to tell it i'm paying attention the driver monitoring system is by touching the steering wheel and putting a little torque into the steering rack now in just a few months this little sensor right here will be updated and it will do eye tracking similar to super cruise or bmw system at low speed and it will actually uh drive itself without me putting my hands on the wheel it will just uh basically stay on the road and as long as my eyes are facing forwards i won't have to touch the steering wheel which i think is really nice and honestly this is the level of driver assistance that i like in a car do i need it to be full self-driving ripping me around the city no certainly it's cool to test out but in terms of real practicality for a system this is where i spend a lot of time where people spend a lot of time commuting driving and just taking the burden off the driver for these long stretches is where these uh adas systems really really help so anyway enjoying the mustang monkey very quiet in here a good ride beautiful views really doesn't get better and surprisingly very efficient uh so far well we just did the climb so we're down to 2.6 miles per kilowatt hour but we were over three miles per kilowatt hour up until the the big pass up into the mountains here and i'm surprised at how well that's doing we're gonna try and make it to the glenwood springs electrify america station but we may have to stop before that at frisco so we'll see [Music] so [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] right [Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to beautiful glenwoods springs and surprisingly three separate people off the highway came over and in traffic pulled up next to me said they watch us on youtube i mean that's crazy we we see some of our audience from time to time but literally in that short span from the highway to here three separate people well thank you guys for watching the channel i appreciate that nice to meet some of you although very quickly and uh now we are ready to try plug-and-charge this will be my first time so i've pulled you with two kilowatt stations uh this actually can charge on a 150 pretty much maxed out the 150s output a little bit more than 150. but here's the thing i want to talk about before we get to charging originally the mustang wanted to have a stop miles back and i said no we're gonna force it to glenwood springs that's where we are now and it originally said a six percent arrival then we climbed to the top of the i think vale pass and then it showed a two percent arrival here but we've arrived with 24 something like this and i was shredding i mean really absolutely motoring with some pretty quick cars no key detected phone key never works either and so what this tells me is that the internal trip calculation is not factoring elevation you see the thing is when i had selected this station we were almost at the top of the hill which means our efficiency over the last 20 30 40 miles was terrible let's say under two miles per kilowatt hour is a guess however we lost almost 8 000 feet of elevation or something so i was able to regen and charge back up therefore this was no problem to make it to so a couple couple wants here i want the machi to follow the elevation profile of the route and i also want to know the elevation profile so the tesla will tell you here's where it expects you to use your energy and to regain and it really helps you at the beginning of beginning of the trip to basically say should i drive faster or slower not any other ev i think doesn't do this uh but but i wish the mach e would have a graph that shows here's where we expect you to use energy and here's where we expect you to gain so anyway let's try plug and charge for the first time the reason i haven't plugged in i know it's bothering all of our audience because we have the cannonball mentality is i'm in no rush no rush to get there so let's charge this thing up so i'm not going to touch anything on the screen the car is completely off all i'm going to do is pull the connector over right here to the front kind of have to wrangle the connector in give me one second this is a two-hand operation these things are hard to bend in all right we are connected in let's see if this works i signed up for plug and charge on ford's website last night it took a second to process and then it said it was activated it's connecting to the vehicle and ford is giving us 250 kilowatt hours of free energy which is pretty nice thank you thank you for that and it appears that it didn't work [Laughter] okay maybe i should try it with the car on i've heard a couple people say the mustang needs to be on let's try that okay we have the mustang on we are at 22 state of charge let's grab the connections now and try it again connect it up this time plugged in the vehicle is on and it still says pay by credit card well that just sucks i think let me see if i should check the ford app one more time and see if i can maybe try something otherwise i'll just use my own app so not only do you have to activate plug-in charge online you have to go into the app and turn it on these are the things we're learning here uh normally we're experts at this this is the first plug-in charge capable vehicle i've tested every tycon that i've driven has been 2020 because all the press cars were never 2021 so they don't support it so let's this is basically tycon and machi are the only two cars that support plug and charge other than tesla of course so now that i've turned it all on we got the app notifications that say we're good to go on electrify america and green lots i actually didn't know that let's uh let's try it now and in we go will the plug-in charge work we are connecting to vehicle now let's see what happens if this works i will be extremely happy and uh definitely spent quite a bit of time fussing around here but think about all the time we can save if this works so i heard contactors click just for a second is this going to work so i heard plug-in charge will delay the handshake slightly which i guess makes sense because you have more data that has to transfer through i do have climate control off in the vehicle right now so we are running on yep off 22 state of charge driver door ajar i can't believe we're still using that just say it's open why is the door ajar man this handshake's taking a while we're gonna do this in real time folks because you need to experience what this is like it says processing payment right now which means it's connected whoa it worked i heard the cabinets click over here everything's working plug-in charge man that handshake was brutal though wasn't it that was like a 45 second to almost 60 second handshake initiating charging let's see what it says is it even gonna come up as kyle what's it gonna say hello ford welcome driver mustang maki 250 kilowatt hour ford pass charging ore per minute equivalent included i see and uh nice so we're definitely charging with plug and charge on the complimentary sessions don't i don't really mind the cost i just think hey it freaking works folks awesome and we are charging at oh not so good 30 kilowatts ah come on one victory and one failure let's see if it ramps up at all it doesn't doesn't seem to be ramping up at all ah come on all right well i guess what i'll do is give this a second to figure itself out if it doesn't increase off of 30 kilowatts i will try another station if the other station is slow then we think then maybe i thermal throttled the battery pack by driving it too hard up and down the hills so we'll give this a second to figure itself out all right folks i am going to plug this one into the car as long as it reaches it looks like it will so let me again two-handed operation let's plug this one in we now have it plugged into the other 350 kilowatt i am imagining plug-in charge will work handshakes are usually pretty good with the mustang it's given a couple issues i'm not sure why that was limited to 30 kilowatts i hope this goes higher because i actually don't think we've thermal throttled the drivetrain because i don't hear the ac chiller kicking on the mach e so let's uh give this another 60 seconds and i'll update with the charging speed all right we're all connected and good here for the plug-in charge with the ford pass charging which is really nice of them to do that but again that's 77 equivalent i just think it would have been easier for them not to include free charging and oh no 30 kilowatts again which means it's something on the mustang side holy crap there's no way we're gonna make it to california at 30 kilowatts guys all right i think i need to try 150 kilowatt station because these are the 350s i've heard a couple little bugs with abb 350s although i just charged someone the other day it was perfect um yeah we'll try this 150 right here i'll park here and if that doesn't work we're hosed let's try this out we are authorized it took a full 60 seconds this time for it to connect nice tycoon just rolled up as well let's try out this 150 kilowatt charger and see if this works any more quickly and friends this is all she wants to take 31 kilowatts my guess is we overheated it but uh what's crazy is i don't hear the battery chiller kicking on at all perhaps i need to click on climate control although i don't think that's true because when i did my charging test the other day the uh the chiller was kicking on even though i had climate control off really nice woman who owns this tycon here she's driving it from seattle to wisconsin it's her first ev road trip she said she's had almost no problems but you can tell she's not a pro plugging in at 56 state of charge that's no way to road trip a tycoon you gotta plug in at zero so now let's see what this thing does it says full accessory power active fast charging to eighty percent in an hour and forever oh my god okay folks i've actually unplugged replugged back in here with my own personal app to swipe and we're shot up to 160 kilowatts so here's what i think i think the the handshake process taking one minute takes so long it freaks something out and limits the charging current to so low i mean less than 100 amps and uh that is maybe an issue with ford's plug-in charge right now but either way i've swiped on my app and we're up to 156 kilowatts no problem i guess we did not overheat the maki we just confused it with the handshake process well this is so much better we had just tapered off of 150 kilowatts or so down to 110 i looked we should have about 500 seconds at 110 kilowatts till it drops down 32 state of charge starting i don't know what the next station is but we will take a look well now that we're charging at actual good speeds man that was frustrating and annoying i still don't know the root cause but i think the extended handshake has something to do with it i called our friend evie dave this is actually evie dave's muck he purchased it for us to use for videos and for his channel so thank evie dave for letting us use the mustang and i called him he said oh ford's slowing you down because they're giving it away for free i i just don't think they're doing this intentionally i think they want the best customer experience but maybe i give them too much credit who knows i don't think they would do that so let's go to los angeles let's see if it recognizes that we are plugged into a charger or not and will give us correct guidance from there so actually we can go to recent destinations and we can go to los angeles california and driving options that one and let's see what it says calculating happens quick eevee chargers are being added quite quickly obey traffic laws be alert and use okay commands while driving so it says 88 miles to sam's club to 49 percent then to green river coffee walmart days in i mean this is really a good route plan i can't can't argue with it uh 88 miles though i think we should just head out here and go because we're already tapered down to what does that say 44 kilowatts what oh my goodness let's take a look there's no kilowatt meter in the mustang so you have to rely on the screen over here which is super annoying 44 kilowatts why why would it taper i don't understand it should be doing at least 70 now 35 kilowatts oh come on we're having some weird issues today maybe this wasn't as much of a charging bug as i thought connectors in there everything's cool well i think we have enough juice to get to green river coffee it's all downhill from here so i'm sorry to uh the next charger the problem is that one's really far off the highway but the charger after that is pretty far down the road so i don't want to do too much of a deep charge here i'd rather just uh get out and head to uh i can't even remember the name of the town the one at sam's club anyway it's 88 miles down the road let's leave now because 44 kilowatts isn't great off we go [Music] quick gopro clip here you can see i've made these charts from our tycon cannonball drive this was our trip plan and we followed the exact same route so this is how i'm gathering all of my elevation data into glenwood springs you can see we lose 3200 feet so i can just rip it as hard as i want to get that does colorado get any more beautiful than this we are so lucky to live in this state look at the mountains all around absolutely gorgeous a great view in the rearview mirror as well and man are those just gorgeous peaks off in the distance love it love this steak [Music] so [Music] we have arrived into glenwood springs with uh 29 miles of projected rain 12 it says now do you want to recharge required at ev stations well the thing is it should know we're at a station and then it should tell us please plug in and charge here for this long uh you would think just the simple things would be smart really good looking uh subaru wrx although not digging the wing on a non-sti uh the door handles on maki by the way work like this you push this button and then there's a little plunger that extends here at the bottom that pushes the door out so you just push and then you pull right here on this little handle pretty interesting let's open up the charging port and try plug and charge this time around i did drive easier on this drive just to try and keep the battery temperatures low cool it off if that played a factor i'm not sure so let's grab the connector bring it around get it plugged in give me a second to put this in there we go we are hooked up let's see if it takes 60 seconds with plug-in charge this time i'm not sure if that first experience was representative of the technology let's see we are uh six seconds in eight seconds into this process now let's give it some go go time in the meantime i have turned off the mustang mock e and uh yeah nice nice charger here i'm starving there's a golden corral i don't know if i'm that hungry though but i'm also not seeing anything else there's a del taco all the way over there that's not much better not really much else around here so i think might be golden corral for me we'll see still communicating 40 seconds into this process it says processing payment and once it processes the payment then it will start charging i guess it should just start charging and then if it can't process payment just shut off uh would be the way i would do it for customer experience because i'm sure ninety percent of the time payment's gonna go through initiating charging okay contactors are going mustangs happy i shut it off but the headlights are still on that's pretty weird oh i have the man the headlights set manually on that's right here we go 250 kilowatt hour ford pass charging everything seems to work right there fingers crossed we see more than 30 kilowatts come on 72 still not good but uh oh 129 hey the ford pass free charging thing it so it i guess it doesn't have to do with that handshake who knows why we had those issues back there then uh maybe it's just something got mixed up but uh hey 155 kilowatts i'll take it we'll charge up to uh i don't know maybe 50 60 70 we'll see how long the next one is cars looking really good getting a little bit dirty but man i love this grabber blue color in the mustang it just pops you know if i was to buy one for myself maybe i would get like a gray or a black or something that blends in but for camera for thumbnails for video yeah grabber blue all day long i was just on my way to figure out dinner plans and we have a charging session error it said power report power port fan failure and i'm guessing that means that the fan to cool the cable failed i'm not totally sure let's try it one more time but this time i think i'll plug in on this station gosh this is just i mean the tesla experience is just so much better than this there's just no no way around it this is painful but honestly it's not going to get better unless we highlight the problems and hope for the best and push the technology that is why i'm committed to road tripping non-tesla still just to push this stuff so we are now trying to charge on this one this charger just came up as unavailable uh i don't know if you can actually see that on your screen here let's get it dialed in there you go you can see the two red dots so maybe i just chose the wrong charger didn't say that when i showed up now we are in the middle of the 60-second handshake i mean it feels like you can just you know run a mile go run a marathon while it's handshaking i i've spoken to uh the director of technology at electrify america who's a friend about this handshake process and he was like there's nothing we can do to speed up the handshake process because we must follow the protocol which he created by the way and uh the problem is just change the protocol come on this is crazy uh you know there's no way that we will have 60 second handshake times into the future you plug in a supercharger v3 into a tesla boom five seconds later that thing is doing 250 kilowatts right through the port maybe it's not as safe but i haven't died yet so how unsafe can it really be um anyway let's check this thing out right here here we are charging up working great plug and charge worked and we are charging at 155 kilowatts awesome love it 156 kilowatts really good uh charging session now i think i'm gonna run over and find some food at least the ford pass app lets me know when charging fails uh which is really great all right folks i stooped down i had dinner at the golden corral man was that terrible just the the people in there were like screaming and that like people are like breathing all over the food i don't know i was really nasty so i i can't say i recommend golden corral to go on a valentine's day date or something anyway bad news the ford pass app has been yelling at me for the last 20 minutes to move the car because of idle fees because it failed again but i was not going to cut my golden corral dinner short so i'll pay whatever the idol fees are although i still think they should reimburse me i'll have to call them about that not a big deal the station failed and then they're going to bill me for having dinner anyway the station's just behind me over here the maki is sitting there not charging i can't imagine it charged very much because it happened as soon as i sat down man what a trip so far folks what a trip let's hope it improves i'm gonna move over to 150 kilowatt unit because we haven't tried one of those yet maybe that's the magic trick is just to use the 150s fingers crossed let's try it and here is the error a vehicle protocol error this one i've seen three times now for this mustang on different chargers at different locations and not just with electrify america so off here and let's try that one there i guess well we could have been charged up enough to leave but no we are at 33 and we have just started our 60-second long handshake in hopes that we can get some charge in here and then we'll be off to utah i'd like to try and get to st george tonight i know that's a big ask but we'll see we'll just go until i get tired i guess and we'll find the closest hotel with the destination charger will be the goal just like with every road trip gotta say this is a good car drive's amazing i really think the only problem with this car is the charging the efficiency's even been very good so far it is just this annoyance of dealing with the networks and honestly i think it's not on the ea side for the most part maybe that failed station was but you know it's certainly a fault of both but i really think a lot of these are on the early software of mustang that's causing some of these little uh bugs and hesitations but nothing like standing in the middle of a sam's club parking lot at night in colorado to figure out your charging issues am i right and uh yep 125 kilowatt charging right here let's see if it uh refreshes and goes up at all doesn't look like it's going to guess it's just i can live with 125 kilowatt that's fine i'll take it well hey i just put in the la thing i'm just going to close this really quick because i wanted to show you this this is good and now it's gone where'd it go anyway it said we've arrived and here's how long we need to charge in order to go the problem is it doesn't say anywhere how long it wants me to stay it just says charging to 80 what it should say is how many kilowatts you're doing first of all your time to 80 your time to full and how much longer you need in order to make it to your next destination factoring in weather driving style traffic elevation wind man no one can get this right uh oh folks charging station fault c manual okay let's see what the charging station error is i feel like this is happening every five minutes or so it says stop reason vehicle protocol error again well i guess we'll just unplug and replug in i think that's really the only thing we can do here so man this is this is garbage experience real garbage experience and i hate to be that guy because i'm like the one pushing non-tesla evs harder than anyone saying we can make the future easy we can make charging work no problem and here i am constantly dealing with this nonsense whenever i take my model 3 anywhere it's super easy and again i hate it when people say stuff like this because i'm like no we broke the record into tycon new york to la it's doable it's great but this is unfortunately the reality and there's no way i'm gonna sugarcoat it you know i'm gonna show you exactly what happens uh and as it goes and there we go back up to 127 kilowatts let this puppy charge up for now and i'll let you know if we have any more problems otherwise we'll charge up just enough to get to the next station all right we are charged up to 57 state of charge i think we should just head out we're gonna go to the green river coffee it's a hundred miles away the car expects a 30-minute charge let's remember that and let's see how long it takes for us to actually charge there should be an hour 25 minutes of driving um actually let's take a look i can look at details i can see it's a 150 kilowatt station although i think that's a 350 it's in the ford network although maybe the mustang doesn't care because it's rated at up to 150 has a 10 out of 10 rating not sure from what service and pay required yes all sounds good what happens if i hit replace then i get to choose what other stations i want to do around there um we could just wait and charge up a little bit more and make it to this one whatever that is let's see what this charger is it won't let you click on it of course ah this is frustrating all right i'm gonna see if it makes sense to wait and charge and stretch it to here or to do a quick top up there and then go to this one so i agree with what the car says to go to green river that makes sense and then this isn't an ea station the next one's celina which is 238 miles from here we're not going to charge up that far so let's head out of here honestly i can't even see what kind of charging speeds we're getting i have no clue because it doesn't show in the car so let's go over here 102 kilowatts isn't bad not bad do we keep it here at 100 kilowatts and then just go to green river that's a tough one because it doesn't really stay above 100 that long i say as soon as we dip as soon as we dip under 100 kilowatts let's unplug and go that'll be the plan with the current charging profile of mustang maki it doesn't necessarily make sense to drain all the way down to zero pulling as low as possible so you can rip max current until it tapers like most evs like tycon like model three that you're used to seeing on this channel the mustang mock e gives you more power for longer if you arrive with a higher state of charge and this is their arbitrary charging profile limited based off of predictive temperature but not actual sensor data they're just slowing you down because they think it might get warm the thing is you can just unplug and replug back in and get max speeds we'll do that test another day but keep an eye on our reviews channel for all the charging test stuff let's take a look are we dipped under 100 kilowatts yet man it's so annoying to find charging nope just sitting at 102. we'll stay here and then you know if we pull in the green river with uh 30 40 great we'll just get higher speeds longer that is the fastest move right now we have just charged up to 67 state of charge the charging session failed again and we had just dipped under 100 kilowatts so i was gonna leave anyway so this is our our forced departure by ea yep we'll get out of here don't worry i guess we'll just keep trying to see if this issue goes away at all on the trip let's put this uh charger away here boom and now let's see yeah we gained 22 kilowatt hours in 12 minutes which isn't bad look the charging curve is great if you start deeper in the pack it just sucks if you start down here it comes down low so you have to unplug and replug just proves my theory that the fastest way to road trip a mustang is by plugging in and unplugging which sadly already you have to do because of all the station failures how ironic let's go [Music] welcome to green river coffee shop this is kind of a weird exit because there's a road that runs parallel to the highway right here the highway loops down and comes back this goes straight through so while it is pretty far off the highway you keep moving in the same direction so it doesn't really bug me too much the superchargers are just on the other side of the bridge over there which we've stopped at we've also been to this ea station a couple times now and i've plugged in and it's flashing red and it says charging station fault on my phone you can't see that but this still says it's connecting to vehicle so let's unplug cash why are there so many problems with this all right let's unplug let's take this connector it all says it's available so let's try this here plugging in boom let's see if this works now some i don't understand why it would make a difference based off of which handle you use you would think it would all be the same and the car is flashing red is it because it's locked i didn't mean to lock it maybe i'll just keep the door open and it says connecting to vehicle and the vehicle says fault again you have got to be kidding me come on driver door ajar full accessory power to start press brake it doesn't say any oh charge station fault right here okay let's try this station then i have now plugged in on this station right here it's a 150 kilowatt it's also the chatimo unit so hopefully no leafs show up although we really are in the middle of utah out here i don't think too many leafs are road tripping across the country i can't imagine any live in this town that'd be kind of cool though now it says connecting the vehicle and now the car seems happy so we'll let it do it hint let it do its handshake what am i trying to say let this thing charge up hopefully this works now always a good idea when you have a mustang apparently to park in a spot where you can plug in from multiple chargers so you don't necessarily have to move the car it looks like it's all good everything's been authorized we're initiating charging here hey this is pretty good folks 150 kilowatt unit maybe i'll just try those instead of the 350s for now on but we had issues at the last 150 so shouldn't make a difference really and we're going to continue still using the ford free charging service which is really awesome and there we go 73 kilowatts 102 kilowatts well we'll take whatever we can get at this point looks like we have a peak here of 124 kilowatts that's all she wants to take really not great charging speeds honestly you know they ford claims 150 kilowatts but look i don't know how they can claim that if it only pulls it for such a short period of time under certain conditions i really think uh automakers need to share the charging curves as part of the data with evs you know rather than having us go through all the trouble and testing it certainly happy to do so keeps us in business honestly i was just talking to my dad about this on the phone where the only reason we're doing what we're doing is because everyone else is getting stuff wrong so i guess selfishly this is good for us but uh we really hope i mean personally i want this stuff to work um and this is uh frustrating to me not only because i'm trying to get to la which that's not my main concern it's just because i keep thinking about what if my mom bought a mustang what if someone that doesn't really know cars that well bought one of these things and this is their experience this sucks so i really like that i don't even remember how i got here but i got here somewhere in the menus and it says it wants me to charge to 57 so that won't take us too long then it says go to the walmart super center to the next charger well great i don't know what town that's in nor can i see i know it's an electrify america um but i can't zoom in here to see where that next charger is so maybe i have to do it the manual way like this to see where it's thinking about taking me uh electrify america walmart 30 minute charge so that's the next spot then and so this is the one in let's see what town it is is that an airstrip how am i supposed to see what town this is in gosh simple things folks simple things i have no idea richfield utah okay so that's going to be our next stop off to richfield let's see if i can do a calculation to see how much longer we need to get to richfield i've manually entered in our next stop which will be salina utah i like this stop because it's literally right off the highway super easy to get to and if i remember correctly the new signet units which i want to try with the mustang could be wrong about that but i think it is the new signet units anyway we'll find out uh we are at 48 state of charge i have no way of knowing how fast we're charging without getting out man someone's burning something around here it smells like a wood fire real nice and we're still doing a kilowatts which is pretty good so all the way from 20 to 48 we've done we just dipped under 100 kilowatts so 15 minutes we've gained 26 kilowatt hours 14 minutes 26 kilowatt hours you know what that's not terrible it's not certainly anything uh excitingly good but i gotta say that's not a terrible session up what the hell as i'm talking it literally just faulted out you've got to be me vehicle protocol error as usual now look this says it's the vehicle error look at what the mustang says the mustang says this is great this is great i love this the mustang says charge station fault so the charger says hey the car is the problem the car says hey charger's the problem both companies trying to protect themselves as my guess this is like the 10th time that this has happened in the last five hours to me i've restarted the charging session and we're all the way back up to 130 kilowatts honestly no reason to leave now i guess this is what i should do is when it starts to taper under let's say a hundred and uh i don't know 105 kilowatts unplug re-plug back in because uh yeah we could have we might even be able to stretch it past salina and head to richfield or even farther if we can get a good charging curve so we'll try that out all right now we've tapered down to 86 kilowatts only four minutes since uh we've been charging but i think uh it's time to go because uh now we've probably hit the internal charging profile where it actually can accept more than you know 100 kilowatts into the car so let's uh put this back and the good news is we'll just arrive at salina or richfield we'll figure it out on the way depending on our efficiency with a higher state of charge than we would have which means it will probably charge a little bit faster so let's power up throw this puppy in reverse boop and off we go also here's a little funny thing with the backup camera on you can adjust your heated seat see i'm going to hit the heated seat and it won't work but if i take it out of reverse and i hit the heated seats now i can that's been bugging me same with fan speed and all the other stuff so many weird bugs so many weird bugs oh and i left the charge port ajar i love that that is also a jar ah i'm used to my power charge port on taikon and tesla i forgot about this uh having to do this manually that's such an amateur move though i'm a uh not a fan of power charge doors actually i prefer the manual ones just less to go wrong because as you can tell there's quite a bit that does go wrong off we go proper out of spec road tripping here climbing up big elevation the one thing i know because the mustang doesn't take into account elevation on the trip when i plotted those tycon uh graphs for our cannonball i know that we gain an overall of 1 234 feet from station the station but we go up like six seven thousand feet and then come down a ton so right now i'm expecting it to start freaking out but the good news is pretty much after this hill it's all downhill into town i did drop the speeds to 65 just for a bit in case i miscalculated but there's the downhill sign so i think we'll be good to start raising up the speeds here folks well a little midway trip update here not too much to see honestly haven't seen another passenger vehicle almost at all on this stretch all just uh trucks and very few of them very desolate road here on uh i-70 heading over towards uh i guess the 15. so pretty interesting the mustang maki of course doesn't do uh gps calculations so every time i reach the crest of a hill it says i'm out of range of chargers good luck you know you're not gonna make it anywhere and then at the bottom of the hill you know i get uh you know at least six miles of buffer i think we're gonna pull in at low state of charge but we'll be totally fine the last 15 20 miles or so are straight downhill so as long as i can crest that last ridge we will cruise into town uh you know i certainly am glad that we did that little extra top up at green river i should have checked the elevation maps before we left on this stretch i always forget how hilly this stretch is but uh have to say the mustang didn't do anything to help me out here it just said we were ready to go and then of course it's been yelling at me left and right about not making it to the charger pretty interesting welcome to salina utah this will be our first time charging on a signet ccs fast charger we'll grab this connector this will be the easiest to get into the car i say that even though i have to put the phone down it's kind of getting chilly the cables are getting a little colder we're down to 40 degrees the car is at eight percent state of charge see the mustang shouldn't have been freaking out because it should have known we had that big downhill downhill into town um pretty crazy actually i just went to go search for some hotels in the area excuse me hotels in the area that have a j1772 charging port uh and there are none at all like no hotels with charging uh honestly no hotels really at all so that's interesting we may just have to keep on the road i'm getting pretty tired kind of wanted to stop here honestly but we'll i'll do some research and see if i can find a spot looks like this connected just fine handshake didn't take nearly as long as uh it has been at least and we are charging let's take a look at the speeds man it's windy out here yeah that's not great speeds is it come on let's go ramp up uh what on earth is this thing doing there we go well it definitely interacts with the signet units totally differently than the abb units i'll tell you that much and now it's ramping ramping ramping nice this is how it should be whoa 152 very good nice charging up so you can see here we have tapered down to 98 kilowatts at 40 percent let's unplug and re-plug back in and see if we can go any quicker here so i'm stopping the charging session by hitting unlock there we go unplugged we're gonna hit finish finish come on and now we're gonna plug back in so as we're letting this ramp and connect back up basically i'm testing to see if it'll go back up to 150 kilowatts or if it'll just sit at a hundred my guess is we'll get max speeds again uh the closest hotel with the charger is two hours away i forgot to bring my tesla to j1772 adapter but that hotel is still an hour away and i'm pretty tired so what i'm gonna do here is charge up for as long as i can stand it tonight while the battery is warm and things are good then we're gonna wake up in the morning i'm gonna try and find a wall outlet plug it into a hotel here there's like a quality in a comfort in a super eight for some reason the super 8 has like by far the highest rating so i guess we'll just stay there they're all like 65 dollars i mean no good options here here we are ramping up 95 kilowatt hundred and two hundred and six 113 120 130 140 155 165 165 peak what a difference that makes now the question is are we gonna stay at this speed for long enough to justify all the time that we just spent hooking up the answer is maybe i'm not so sure we'll have to do a test at some point but not tonight so right now we're doing 160 kilowatts into the car which is great uh i wish the they would improve the charging curve because the battery can take it just let it have it and we're going to charge up to at least uh 50 to 70 percent here uh then we're gonna go to the hotel sleep try and find a wall outlet wake up and rip it warm everything up on the way to the charger because it's probably going to get kind of cold tonight it's already down into the 40s so man i'm getting tired pretty good road trip i'm glad we're gonna spend the night here in salina utah plenty of hotel rooms available so uh let's go find a spot just uh heading out of the hotel here nothing fancy but really wasn't terrible it's pretty clean behind me you can see the mustang plugged in so last night i charged up to uh 50 52 on the electrify america station the ford app shows you the real-time status of the battery pack but you have to like refresh it it doesn't show how fast it's charging so let's see actually how much we topped up to uh we're just down the street from that charger there was like only crap hotels i really wanted to try and find one with the destination charger but i was pretty tired but this hotel here is super eight which i can't necessarily recommend staying at uh in the middle of salina utah was kind enough to let me plug into their 110 outlet right up front here and uh because the walls were so thin i could actually hear people walking up past our room saying oh that's the electric mustang so let's unplug and see our status for the day wow we actually gained quite a bit of juice so we're up to 67 state of charge which is awesome so i'm going to grab a little bit of a to go breakfast here jump in and we're going to be off to the next station well thanks so much to these guys for letting me charge up overnight gorgeous views here in utah and here is the trip plan that the car wants us to go on it wants us to go 77 miles to days in and then another 100 131 137 it all seems pretty good uh we'll see if we can stretch it past this days in here i believe that's the richfield one could be wrong we'll see let's just get on the road and when we start getting low we'll look for the next available charger and i'll just keep an eye on to make sure i don't go past one where there's a big gap plenty of ea stations along this route so let's rock and roll i have to say guys yesterday was a little frustrating road tripping the mustang maki first we had those plug-in charge issues then we had those issues where it would randomly stop but i have to say last night at the signet chargers the last charging stop went flawlessly i unplugged us as soon as we were ready to go so uh so far it's been a really um interesting all over the place experience and totally inconsistent which to me is the most annoying thing if we had one problem and we had it over and over and over and we could replicate it then we have a pinpointed issue that we can then go to ford and electrify america and say hey guys here's what we found which i would absolutely do you know we we're very lucky uh in my job reviewing cars i get to know all the people who make the cars and ideally i want to showcase how good they are because i love cars and i love electric cars and i love pushing technology but if it's not good i can't showcase how good it is obviously i'm going to show you the real the real deal and so the problem for me right now is just the inconsistency of the software on the car the chargers i think only that fan issue is the only one that one where we had uh in grand junction was the only ea issue maybe i'm wrong but uh off we go merging up on the highway here on to i-70 gorgeous views you guys got to see this check this out you have to forgive the dirty windshield it is a typical out-of-spec trip but look at how beautiful this utah landscape is as stradman would say views on views in utah absolutely gorgeous i'm going to engage copilot 360 right here we should be locked on there we go speed limits 80 why am i going so slow gotta go 85 let's just go 90 in the mustang we can burn some juice and heat things up before the chargers let's rock and roll [Music] welcome to beaver utah real windy out today crazy windy actually i mean it was blowing us all over the road i drove uh relatively quickly to heat up the battery pack because again it's sat overnight just on the level one we are plugged in to the abb units the ones we've had the issues on although someone had commented on my twitter just now and said they had problems on signet units the same ones we've been experiencing so uh yeah not totally sure what's going on here let's get this thing going and see if it works all right plugged in connected charging on the first to go these screens are hard to see 72 kilowatts let's see will we get a little bit more sometimes it takes until the next frame refresh yep there we go 145 kilowatts plugging in at 20 state of charge which ford claims is the ideal state of charge to plug in for the mustang so let's charge this thing up until it tapers 161 kilowatts hell yeah i just ran over the store to get a phone mount for a little live stream i was planning on doing off from the road so let's take a look at the charger here touch to return okay i've touched come on there we go still 107 kilowatts folks this isn't bad just plug it in at 20 might be the ideal i mean look 100 kilowatts on a 100 kilowatt hour pack is pretty bad at this state of charge but considering all the other things we've gone through this isn't terrible please forgive the wind noise i am setting up to start with the live streaming with my phone so i'm using another camera here we are charged up to 57 state of charge we are at 79 kilowatts i think it's time to leave so let's hit this i'm going to start the live stream pulling out of here and then we will be ready to go so for the next let's just say couple charging stops maybe the quality may not be as good just bear with me let me know when you see the full video go live if you remember this clip from the live stream in the main video because right now we're recording one of those five second segment pieces of the road going by welcome to beautiful washington utah where we're charging up the mustang maki initially we plugged in we charged perfectly really good session initially uh we're doing a little live stream audience over here in the car we then unplugged uh plugged back in to test some charging curve stuff it ramped back up to max speed and then we started to have some charging faults moved around but we have a pretty solid session right now we plugged in at 20 state of charge we're up to 66 percent and we'll be heading out here momentarily so for the last couple hours i've been doing a youtube live stream we just finished up really fun great group of people watching i'll put a link down below in the description to this video or alyssa will she's editing it and uh yeah really really fun and so that's why the youtube wasn't uh you know super exciting the last few stops but now we're back to our normal schedule we are ripping through the desert right now take a look at how beautiful this is [Music] so [Music] oh [Music] it's crazy windy but i just had to pull off and grab some shots here out in the desert look at how beautiful this is the wind is so gnarly [Music] [Applause] [Music] oh [Music] welcome to the las vegas premium outlets we have an i3 here we have a ticon here we're going to get the mustang plugged in it's just super windy out there so i wanted to do the audio inside the car let's get it charging so i pulled up to this station with a dead screen completely offline wouldn't work we moved over to this one and it's now doing plug and charge just fine everything's working great gonna do its handshake process payment through the ccs connection and then we should start to charge we're at five percent state of charge plenty of juice 10 miles of rated or i should say predicted range super windy out here folks we have process payment charging is initiating everything is working great really great blacked out tycon over here love the look of a uh tycoon totally blacked out that looks awesome and so here's the problem we have the ticon over here i'm blocking the spot that doesn't work but i guess i could move but it doesn't really make a difference and there's plenty of open spots but yeah see i don't know how fast we're charging and the sun is so bright i can't actually see on the screen how fast we're charging so what i think i'm going to do is just run into the outlets behind me and grab some lunch the only question is what do we get oh man so many good options kind of thinking pizza just walking out of the outlets got some pizza and got a notification charge station fault from the fordpass app damn i tell you this is like you can't leave the car you can't go anywhere [Music] guys check out what just rolled up it's the i believe the new hyundai ioniq 5 this should have a great charging curve 800 volt system architecture looks really good checking take a look at those wheels super super neat can't wait to see how it charges i'm going to try and sneak a view at some of the stats which will be neat ah the i3 just freaked out because of the wind so here we are plugging in the hyundai ioniq 5 on the ccs 350 kilowatt station let's see what kind of charging rates it gets and there it goes unfortunately they couldn't charge it here because the credit card reader wouldn't work and they like to log the charging sessions with the credit card readers of course i offered to start the session for them so i could log the charging on my side but uh unfortunately that was a no-go and the mustang just in case you're curious has faulted exactly four times here at this station and uh the ionic looks great in size comparison really good roofline about the same carries all the way over to the back love the wheels on this thing really good proportions and uh yeah they're testing it for roush right now doing some engineering stuff and uh pretty cool got some michigan tags on it look at those tail lights too thing looks pretty good off it goes folks i can't make this stuff up we just faulted again i'm going to plug back in i want to charge up to 80 percent here stretch it to barstow let's skip baker if we can and uh man this is just super super super duper annoying we only gained 11 before it faulted but with all of the excitement of the ionic five showing up and all the charging bugs i haven't had a chance to eat my pizza we're at 69 state of charge we are doing i can't even see how fast we're doing it's double digits so not a hundred kilowatts i can see two i can't see what the digits are i need binoculars if you own a mustang maki you must buy binoculars so you can see your charging speed it's the only answer i'm going to eat the pizza we're going to charge up to 80 percent we're going to barstow it's 140 mile drive we are at 70 percent rated or a predicted range is 158 miles right now except i believe there's an uphill climb so charging to 80 and heading out if we're not gonna make it we can stop in baker but i'll figure it out from there so let's rock and roll well after all that excitement i just finished eating we're at 81 we've been there forever of course we're down to 12 kilowatts i don't need a charger to tell me that i just know the charging curve drops like a brick when you hit 12 kilowatts actually 14 kilowatts pretty good probably because we're running the ac compressor let's stop charging and uh let's head out to barstow and we have baker halfway if needed man it's crazy windy out here we may need to stop in uh baker if the efficiency is not bad we are rolling into baker california i couldn't figure out why i couldn't find the electrify america app uh station in baker and it's because uh for whatever reason the app shows that it's not even uh there the car doesn't know it's there it's there i've charged there we charged there on the cannonball plug share so someone just used it so that's where we're gonna go i think the uphill at a baker and a bar stow with this much headwind we need just a little top up maybe 10 just for buffer plus you know if i really wanted to stretch it to uh barstow maybe i could i'd drop the speed to 70 75 but hey we're i'm in no rush i have to be doing this thing tomorrow morning with the ticon so uh it's three in the afternoon i figured let's just stop in another opportunity to see how the charging works maybe we get a good one if for whatever reason this electrify america station doesn't work there's a uh evgo station just down the street at the world's tallest thermometer which i've kind of always wanted to go to that station let's try the ea station let's go over look at that evgo install just because i think that's neat it's also one of the first evgo 350 kilowatt stations so let's go explore around baker for a couple minutes so here is the electrify america station it's right next to the tesla supercharger tesla supercharger has 40 stalls of course i believe some have been upgraded to a v3 i think maybe actually they're all v3s now that i'm thinking about it and here's the electrify america station so let's run over here park in the shade and see if we can get this thing to charge up these are 50 kilowatts 50 kilowatts yeah that's right i was talking to ea about this site they were saying it was hard for them to get the power here and the reason it doesn't show in the app i remember why silly me i have the app showing me just 150 kilowatts and more and all of these are just 50s but this is sort of their flagship site so i'm going to flip the mustang around get a cool picture of it charging here because this is kind of a neat charging station so you can see here the electrify america branding the solar roof is really neat looks like it's charging the mustang just fine all of the superchargers over there of course big fast charging park this is really neat i hope we see more stuff like this more convenience stores attached and yeah beautiful views this is pretty neat well i was on a phone call for a while but that's okay we're in no rush we are charged up to 70 state of charge let's hit stop again only a 50 kilowatt charger this pack it's 125 amps this pack is a 350 volt pack i believe anyway it's mid 300's therefore that's why we're only getting 43 kilowatts uh because again it regulates in amps not not really in kilowatts and uh there we go 10 and 32 cents i've learned something really interesting let me explain plug and charge technology has been really good up until i just had a realization i just ran out of my 250 kilowatt hour free from ford thing and then i realized that they are charging me 43 cents a kilowatt hour now i pay four dollars a month for electrify america pass plus a membership which buys my rate down to 31 cents per kilowatt hour there is no way for me to use the plug-in charge on this vehicle and take advantage of my passplus membership so basically i should i just can't use plug-in charge anymore i have to take out the app activate it with my app and uh use my membership that just seems pretty silly to me what do you guys think comment below well i almost forgot but i promised you guys a trip over to the world's tallest thermometer let's see the mustang says it's 78 degrees outside that cooperates pretty well with the uh thermometer over here let's take a look and let's see this eevee go station this should be a pretty good looking station here we go to the evgo fast charging station cool that it's labeled and here it is i've seen photos of this site but i've never actually been back here before and they have like a temperature 134 gift shop of some kind check this out this is pretty dang cool nice you have some 50 kilowatt units and then we have some chatimo ccs i don't know even know how to see how fast they are but check this out this is so cool abb charged with every charger here is different pretty interesting [Music] [Applause] [Music] welcome to beautiful i don't even know how to say it hesperia california massive install here we got one tour egg icing us up here multiple chargers offline this is pretty wild actually all of those are offline these are the only ones with lights on it let's take a look we've i just plugged in over here because this is the way that i came up look at that beautiful view off in the distance i've activated this with my app because if i use plug-in charge it builds my credit card at 43 cents per kilowatt hour here i pay 31 cents per kilowatt hour either way it's charging let's let that go so this station is online inactive that one's definitely dead let's keep taking a look here this one oh online and active oh i must have missed this this one's online and active let's keep taking a look the ice tour egg that one's online and active that one's dead and how about this one online and active okay not too bad just two of them are down then neat well really nice to see this many plug-ins here uh not nice to see the tour egg ice in it but hey what can you do pretty good location too piology firehouse subs really good stuff around here and the mustang of course looking good so let's take a look at our charging stuff we plugged in at nine percent state of charge great thing that we stopped in uh baker of course we could have made it to barstow maybe 122 kilowatts not great starting to get chilly out here we're down into the 60s for sure and uh it's cooling off quick welcome to the desert does not retain heat so i'm walking over here just to the other side of the parking lot because ea has some extra stalls which is super interesting that they would put them all the way over here as well so i've seen this now at a couple walmarts here in california only in california and yep they're the handicapped charging ones i think there must be a legal requirement for this because this is uh yeah dispenser 10 here's number nine and 10. so this one's 150 kilowatt charging and this one's chatimo and 150 pretty interesting so we have now charged up to 50 state of charge here's where we're staying for the night i just booked a hotel town place suites uh in hawthorne so it's that uh what 89 miles to get there 104 to go and it's all downhill so we are good to unplug and go and uh yeah we'll just plug in at the hotel and make sure they have a charging point which they do and folks we have made it to my hotel here in los angeles beautiful night out little windy we have a great outdoor fire pit right here ford focus electric charging up pretty neat to see i think what we're going to do is we're going to cut this video here we've made it 1000 miles or so from denver to california i'm gonna do some reviews of driving this cars and driving this car in the hills in angeles forest shredding it seeing how it drives in performance situations cruising in the city and those videos will all be on out of spec reviews so make sure you follow and then we will pick up this video again when we are done range testing the porsche tycoon rear wheel drive and heading back to denver in just two days from now one i get two videos out of it so you guys don't have to ask for more road trips and two it just makes these things a little bit more manageable to watch i think so stay tuned for the next road trip which will be road tripping the grabber blue mustang maki from here in los angeles back home to fort collins colorado way big elevation gain it's gonna be a tough one we'll see if we can do it and i will see if the charging gets any better i'm gonna go plug this thing in on the level two and get to bed [Music] you

Channel: Out of Spec Motoring

Views: 432,340

Keywords: Tesla, Model 3, model s, model x, tires, drift, skid, track mode, Kyle Conner, Roadster, Elon, Rich Rebuilds, Road Trip, Cold, Weather, Range, ESP, Track, Mode, Performance, Standard, Short, Review, Comparison, Buy, electric car, electrify america, problem, issue, bug

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Length: 76min 32sec (4592 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 02 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/[deleted]]

Wait, so with plug and charge you still have wait for the handshake to complete so you can press the 'start charging' button? Seems like a waste of time to require the operator to confirm the start of charging. Obviously they want to charge if they plugged in.

Is the plan to eventually allow for simply plugging and charging?

[u/rosier9]

TL;DW?

[u/presonphillips]

I feel like everyone that buys an ev from the legacy companies is going to start to want a Tesla because of these specific issues. I’ve been driving a LEAF for years, and the more I drive it, the more I want a Tesla. If they can’t get this kind of stuff in shape, they are going to lose every buyer on the second car.

[u/MindfulRoamer]

I haven't watched the video yet, but it seems like Kyle experienced problems, based on a quick looks at the comments on YouTube, which isn't surprising. I bought a used Bolt for ~14k last year and have taken it on multiple road trips. Suffice to say, the reliability of EA needs a LOT of improvement. Frankly, I'm astounded that people are spending tens of thousands of dollars on vehicles that rely on such a network. Good luck to Mach E owners!

[u/Jarrodslips]

I considered the E-Mach, but went Tesla for many reasons, the supercharger network was a biggie, and this video proves it. Also, this is the first year of Ford's first real EV and it is not tried and true like Teslas (remember the first M3s?). Good luck getting a mobile tech to do your warranty repairs at home too.

[u/[deleted]]

During the charge the EA station and the Mach-E need to periodically perform a handshake over the data lines. I haven't read the protocol specification and so don't actually know why, but I can guess based on how I know systems like this tend to be built. I might guess that the car needs to periodically report to the station that it's safe to keep pushing current. That signal either isn't making it through to the station, or the station doesn't like the data that it sees from the car.

If that's the case, then there would be several potential causes:

• The car is actually going out-of-spec with some metric, and EA doesn't want to keep pushing current to it. Some temperature reading might be okay for Ford but not okay for EA, for example.
• Both EA and Ford implemented the protocol correctly, but the protocol specification is bad.
  • A "bad protocol" can include some parts that are ambiguous or undefined, and EA, Ford, or both chose implementation details that result in communications failure.
• The protocol is good, and
  • EA implemented the protocol correctly and Ford didn't.
  • Ford implemented the protocol correctly and EA didn't.
  • Neither EA nor Ford implemented the protocol correctly.

At this point we don't know what's going on. However given the fact that tons of other EV models are able to charge just fine on EA suggests that there's something specifically about the Mach-E right now that's the problem.

[u/kneughter]

I LOVE the look of the Mach-e (although my friends disagreed) I seriously considered it until I found out the time line for delivery didn’t really line up with my current lease expiring AND it didn’t qualify for federal and provincial credit I was going to get with my Tesla.

At the end of the day, I really love the model 3. It’s such a great ride. But know I also would have loved the Mach-e. I think the more competition, the better for the entire industry. The charging network (outside of superchargers) isn’t great in my neck of the woods. So anything other than a Tesla probably would have made me a bit more nervous to even attempt a long road trip.