Father Spitzer’s Universe - 2019-01-16 - Explaining The Doctrine Of The Trinity And The Incarnation,

[Music] and welcome once again to father Spitzer's universe I'm Doug Keck located at the intersection of faith and reason here in Irondale Alabama on Mother Angelica way you know we depend on your feedback to make the show interesting check us out on Facebook send us a tweet on Twitter and for all things father Spitzer go to majus center.com and now you can also check even more information out at credible catholic comm which is what we're working through here on the program and don't forget we've got a wonderful book on father augustus Tolton by our wonderful friend Deccan Herald Berks service was now the co-host of Morning Glory check that out on radio as well that book is available through the ewtn religious catalogue EWTN RC calm as is many of father Spitzer's wonderful books as well as his wonderful television series that he's done over the years here at EWTN and having mentioned his name we will turn to the west coast and once more say hello to our good friend father Spencer how are you father how was your week it was a great Doug and I'm sure yours was as well having left it off at a very humorous note last week but that's right we've been laughing ever since but anyway let's get started off as we always do with a prayer in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit amen Heavenly Father we give you thanks for your many blessings to us especially the the blessing of this ministry that reaches so many people we ask you to send your Holy Spirit down upon Doug and myself and our whole audience this day so that everything we say and do will be brought to fruition in your will for the good of your people and your church and your kingdom ask you to Lord to give us a special light into the supreme gift given by your son the Holy Eucharist that we shall be discussing today so that as we receive this most precious body and blood into us we may be totally transformed through him in his heart through Jesus Christ our Lord amen and Mary seat of wisdom pray for us name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit amen and as we started last week a little bit on the Holy Eucharist and Jesus's passion so we're continuing on with that so we'll be doing that after we go through a couple of questions that have come to us over the previous shows as well a couple things I wanted to get your reaction to there was a Damaris poll that just came out where they actually asked pro-choice and pro-life majorities indicating that they want more abortion restrictions so you know even though there seems to be not the appetite to eliminate abortion there certainly seems to be an appetite to restrict it whether it least seems to get the idea along that there's something wrong with it which is important you know a factor and of course the March for Life coming up this week absolutely and I I'm not surprised frankly because I think first of all you've got this hugely increasing statistic of post-abortion syndrome and it is becoming public much as many in the media have tried to hide it it's just it you know it can't help itself it's such a huge you know factor and I think that's coming out and that's leading people you know to be aware number two I think what's happening with our young people especially you know you know wanting to get abortions at a very young age and you know this is changing their life you know their whole attitude you know I think that's another thing that's been wearing away on it a third thing that's happening is you know movies like Gosnell etc that are coming out these are you know anti-abortion movies you know that are coming out I think they're beginning to make a difference and they're really reaching a larger audience and I think finally you know you know organization ization is like healing the culture and human life international and all these programs that we have as we open them up it's really starting to make a difference and people are saying you know we we are killing children you know innocent human beings and I think you know this this new movie that's coming out Abby Johnson you know who is former worker you know at Planned Parenthood that's coming out and in Liza Rosa's ministry they're you know just talking about what's going you know the deplorable things you know that are happening at Planned Parenthood all these things are beginning to hit the public consciousness in a much broader level so I am NOT surprised that pro-abortion people pro-choice people are now saying let's restrict abortions more and more right unless you have New York and your name is Cuomo or Clinton then all bets are off it's also interesting because you mentioned Gosnell and of course the movie which was actually surprisingly popular to the mainstream media that it was as popular as it was now the DVDs coming out it's still on pre-order but it's actually according to Amazon on their bestseller list and it's actually coming out February 5th but that's interesting so ya know improving my point I think people are looking to it I think they they're they're aware more and more it you know the inescapable truth that this is a human being and you don't have to have a DNA sequencer to prove it although you can but I oh the other thing I think that's really working too is the Knights of Columbus have sponsored so many of these you know ultrasound devices including the intra you know cameras or you can really see the baby up close and personal very difficult after you've seen your own child to just say you know dispense with it right by dismembering it limb from limb so I think all these things are piling up and I I'm glad to say that they are it's I wish the media would just give us more coverage on the on the probe there's 32 pro-life marches around the country right well you know a little bit of you know attention to that with right obviously the big March in Washington EWTN live coverage starting Thursday night with the the vigil mass etc then of course one life LA the event that happens out there now Archbishop Gomez promoted and then the following week it's actually walk walk for life west coast which is in Sanford for us right and got kicked off by a couple of lay ladies from one animal works for Ignatius press who got that started and you know uh you know it just goes to show sometimes a seed you plant it and support it and it's amazing how many people come out when they see that there's other like-minded people like them and they can see that out there because normally the impression is nobody goes to these things yeah exactly and even if they do it won't be covered by the media which is absolutely true but let's just hope that you know EWTN and you know maybe you know some other television stations will cover it and be absolutely we will be all over it as we as everybody knows every year ongoing gonna bring highlights also in images from other March for lives that have happened around the world many of which have been fostered by I believe at one level of airing the one the big March in Washington you know what's interesting too we're talking about you know Gosnell and the pro-life and the you know 3d imaging and stuff that's out there but you know all of science science you know here we are on a shelf deal talks about faith and reason all the science reason is on our side but yet in this case it totally gets ignored oh I mean you know when you really look at it I mean you know we have been sequencing DNA now you know the full human genome you know for almost a decade I mean there's just no excuse we know that every single solitary attached or unattached zygote right a single-cell zygote we know that every one of them has a full unique human genome I mean there's just no question about it it's human it's a unique human being and it's going to develop into a unique human being unless it's destroyed or you know something tragic happens but the main point is every single solitary zygote has mitochondrial DNA that's the remnant that's left over from our you know remote ancestor two hundred thousand years ago called mitochondrial Eve every human being has it no other animal has it we know this this is a living organism it's a living organism that's going to develop into a full human being and it's got mitochondrial DNA it's it's human it's not it's not anything other than human and it's a unique human being we know this what more proof do you need that there is a unique human life that has you know all the potential there and what you know I don't want to go off on this but right you know I mean let's face it you know all the software is there if I can put it that way and the idea that just because it has not yet developed you know all the cellular replicas you know and divisions you know have happened every single instruction for every cellular division including the entire metabolic content of this of this baby plus the fact that that baby has a soul it's all present right there at that single-celled State and and so you know the idea you know let's suppose you came in and you just say hey Spitzer you know I I just developed this huge software program it's got you know several billion you know categorized and in sequence steps in it for cell multiplication that could actually lead to a brand new supercomputer if I put it in my machine here and I said ah but you still haven't loaded it up until you're you know your central processing unit right your CPU and because it's now loaded up then the central processing unit it's worth nothing and I stamp on all those all your programming that you have given me on these you know mega disks you would be very upset because you would say this is my life's work you know I have done this is you know it's not worthless because I haven't loaded it onto its CPU yet and and this is what we're dealing with I mean it's like hello you know I mean it's not just the DNA by the way that's presidents it's not just the cellular metabolizing unit that is going to follow the instructions relentlessly until the human being is present I believe a human soul is present right at that moment and that and you know I like we've discussed the human soul and trans physical soul a hundred times on this program these are the near-death experiences terminal lucidity etc there's enough evidence for a trans physical soul to choke a skeptic so my point that I'm trying to get to is all of this is present there you know in addition to the fact you know that you have overwhelming evidence from DNA and mitochondrial you know you know presence their DNA so you've got so much present what is it that we need to ask that make a scientific case what more can we have that you have a living unique human being present who is just not completely developed it's it's like I said it you know analogizing it to the side the problem you have today is that we really know that when it boils down to it they don't really care that it's a child or not at least the people who are promoting it they just look at it and say well it's it's one person's life versus another person's life or one person's choice more important than somebody else or it's my body or all those other canards to get thrown around that's right or one person's life versus another person's Liberty right and of course the life right is higher than the Liberty right the fact that the Supreme Court in Roe versus Wade literally undermined the life right of this unique human being in order to protect the privacy which is a Liberty right of the mother it is tantamount to the Dred Scott decision earlier where the Supreme Court you know basically you know took a Liberty right for black people and elevated it above you know elevated a property right of white people above the Liberty right of black people and of course that's the same category err you know you know a liberty rights gotta be a higher right than a property right because a Liberty right is necessary for the very possibility of a property right just like the life right is necessary for the very possibility of the Liberty right if you're dead your liberty rights are a moot question so I mean the hierarchy of rights has been clearly established since the time of father Francisco Suarez was the first person to articulate at a Jesuit priest for which I'm very proud I figure gonna be there that was yeah back there at 1612 or so other Jesuits can do some good news too I mean it's the Jesuits we have some really wonderful guys I mean we really do I'm either there's a but and the Francisco Suarez was one of them and I must tell you you know since he articulated it everybody said the right to life liberty property and the pursuit of happiness yes John Locke drop pursue the happiness from Suarez's list and Thomas Jefferson drop property from you know a Suarez's list but the fact is the hierarchy the the order on the basis of necessity was always established it's common sense it's very clear life rights are necessary for the very possibility of Liberty rights therefore they have to be higher rights or what we call more fundamental rights right okay well our topic is going to be in the Holy Eucharist but here's a couple of quick questions from some recent programs especially having to do with first couple have to do with the Magi dear father Spitzer you recently talked about the Magi some believe that the star Bethlehem appeared prior to the birth of our Lord we talked about this recently yet many believe that the star actually appeared when our Lord Jesus was born do you know when the star actually appeared and this is ago in London ago I would have to go with the people who said before because clearly the major I saw an astronomical phenomenon that caused them to think you know as that it was a potent you know that that pointed to you know a king being born and and so they would have had to have followed that potent and it seems like as I said I think maybe last week or the week before you know Jupiter you know was was you know out ahead of the Sun for several days in a row which would have been a very unusual phenomenon no dim dimly present in the morn but an astrologer would have noticed this and said wow this is weird you know this this never happens they would have been looking for things in the early morning and notice something unusual but a layperson probably wouldn't they would have probably interpreted but you know Jupiter being associated with Zeus right king of the gods that that somehow this was associated with a king being born that was probably pretty normal and then they had to follow you know you know the the star that is leading westward you know and you know so they would have had to have you know had some time to do it so ago I favor the old hypothesis that that it definitely appeared before Jesus was born and it was kind of a preparation almost like John the Baptist is present there ready to announce even you know in infancy the coming of the Lord now here's another question now this was a follow-up to a person who had posed an idea of a time line related to the Magi and this person wrote it was because they had their own perspective they said dear father Spitzer in response to a recent epiphany question I'd like to suggest my understanding that imagine I were not in Bethlehem when Christ was born but st. Francis later incorporated them into nativity scenes that the Magi came when Jesus was a toddler living in Bethlehem the Holy Family later fled to Egypt after Joseph was told in a dream to leave and came to Nazareth after Herod died and this is Olivia so this is her understanding of the that's certain yeah Olivia that's certainly a possibility because scripture doesn't tell us otherwise right I mean there's the suggestion that it's near to the time when Jesus was born that they arrived but certainly after it so but you know a toddler there'll be several years after it but there's all kinds of different timelines that people ascribe to the coming of the Magi and and that certainly yours is not out of the question by any means i I've always just sort of made the assumption though I have scriptural evidence for it nor astronomical evidence for that matter that would suggest that it needed to be closer to the time of Jesus's birth but you have a perfectly plausible suggestion there and you know it would work by scripture and astronomical evidence both well I guess the question might be on that one too is though it's important and understanding historicity of Scripture and what things timeline at the same time does it really matter whether they showed up you know the night night after five nights after a year later I mean effectively you know the fact that they were there is what the message was supposed to be right that's exactly right that people from the east these Gentiles these astrologers you know who you know came and and they wanted to pay their respects you know already it's the announcement of the Gentile church but you know arising out of Israel through the new Messiah okay here's another question it kind of ties a little bit into Christmas but this person wants to know and dear father Spitzer in order to obtain an annulment by the church a key requirement is determining whether or not the marriage has been consummated the dogma that Mary is ever-virgin implies the marriage to Joseph was not valid was marriage defined differently than so I guess he's talking about the consummation of lack there and of course well of course you know God validates the the marriage thereof Mary and Joseph even though she did not have relations with him so you know that's sort of the divine validation and so you know I mean God's in charge of canon law and I was not in charge of so you know he can you know as it were make you know the the valid dispensation as it were for his son by the way there was no canon law really before the year about 160 you know when you started having some early canons being developed you know and then of course you have say say Pope Gregory you know and then of course we got a much operation of canons etc but the main point is is you know the church had to give these kinds of rules later on the church to resolve all kinds of complications and conflicts that were there and it's it's part of the you know the the discipline and you know and also the doctrine of the church yes a consummation would be required so but yes God can certainly dispense with that any time he wants and certainly one of the cases is with respect to his son okay make sense next up dear father Spitzer and we've had some questions about this recently I pray for my relatives have passed away on a daily basis how can I be how can I be sure that my prayers are actually being heard and are benefiting my relatives if my prayers are getting through are they of assistance to my beloved relatives thank you from Anthony from Niagara Falls in Canada Anthony I have got to tell you your prayers are getting through you do not doubt that for a second you if I might use an analogy you're walking around it and a thought in God's mind and the infinite eternal powers you know mind and you're walking around in that thought and he is so totally conscious of what you're praying for 24/7 and by the way so it's his son and by the way you know Blessed Mary has been you know allowed to have you know that privileged access to hear these prayers as well so for all intents of purposes do not doubt for a moment that your prayers are being heard the main thing you know that you have to be patient with Anthony is God is going to respect human freedom he's you know he's you know even though you're praying for your relatives and and everything remember they also have to choose him and and even after death you know Catholics we believe that there is a time after death where we can actually kind of get our lives together where we can be purified again in that state of purification we're gonna have to choose you know to follow you know where God is leading us and and God does lead us I mean but we have to follow that advice I mean many times you know God will wake me up at 3 o'clock in the morning and now I recognize the signal you know okay Lord speak I am listening yours dear servant is listening here and so you know I want to hear what he has to say and okay what are you telling me okay I want to comply with this I want to follow that I know your advice is going to lead not only to my salvation but it's going to help me to help others to their salvation it's going to be good for the human community and and good even for my life in this world I know that Lord so speak your sermon is listening but when I think back in a number of times the Lord awakened me at 3 o'clock in the morning before I was 20 years old and I was just an idiot you know I mean I heard nothing you know I mean I was trying to be a good guy you know but are there I was I was at college I was enjoying the experience of college I was a very serious worker a very serious student but of course you know God would kind of wake me up and I go what's all this you know there's some haze in my brain you know and and so I didn't listen no you know but after a while you know mm-hmm okay yeah this is the Lord speaking here and and of course I know that the Lord uses suffering but he's not gonna over well he's not gonna come out and go Bob you know are you listening I mean sometimes he can be very pronounced I mean he's gonna wake me up and he's gonna persist and persist you know and I go okay okay I'm tuned in here and if I'm still not tuned in he'll give me a good dose of effective desolation and that emptiness that feeling of emptiness loneliness and alienation it's like like okay I'm listening now you know and so I come around but remember he's always going to be using your freedom right and he's gonna work through your freedom he's not gonna Buffalo you into following him and so this is the main thing that would you know so when we pray just you know just trust God he's listening to us he's doing everything he can within the scope of a person's human freedom yes sometimes if st. Paul is getting out of and persecuted Christians and and the Lord is saying okay we're gonna have some intervention here you know kablammo I'm gonna know was that before sufficiently intervention is that what you're saying well for say Paul there may have been previous interventions but he wasn't listening so he had a kapowee intervention and and it kind of worked out pretty well right exactly so uh obviously God knew what he was doing what here's another question it kind of touches into this in the sense of the thin veil they'll father Spitzer after my father died I felt like I was in a thin space crossing between now and eternity I met a man at the time that I felt I had known even before I existed even as a child I had odd memories that I cannot explain I'm a cradle Catholic I love my faith and I'm devoted to it but I can't shake the idea of reincarnation this is from Laura Laura I have to tell you a reincarnation is simply not true we are born we are given a unique human soul at the time of our birth now you know I have every reason to suspect that from a lot of empirical evidence but that's what we are told in our faith so the main thing is you know we have to hold on to that and then ask well what what could be the cause of these sorts of memories and so forth and so on I've talked about you know a spirits that are you know still hanging out as it were in the world today right these are human beings that are hanging around and sometimes those spirits can actually make themselves felt to you now you you just you know they can interfere with you just like you know a diabolic spirit can can interfere with your own consciousness it can't take over your freedom or your consciousness oh but it can certainly plant memories and suggestions and all kinds of things believe me this happens all the time and it's not just restricted to the devil it's not just restricted to a diabolic spirit you know other spirits can can be around so you say well how did this child maybe like yourself how do you have these memories of something that happened to a guide that you know that lived in the 1940s and was a fighter pilot and died in the crash maybe that fighter pilot who's died in the crash is still hanging around I see and it somehow chosen you you know to sort of you know share some sort of thought with now I mean I in my own life you know I sometimes have a similar sort of thought you know and and you know that you know gosh do I did I go back somehow to 19th century England or something like that and I don't think I ever of course you know was it was a soul of 19th century England but I do think for some reason and you know my my grandparents had a big huge you know home it was a huge mansion in Honolulu and on that third floor my grandmother would always just say stay out of that third floor there's something up there and nobody ever went up there really but of course no we nobody ever did but of course you know my brother and I right you're just you know all right oh yes I was tell you not to go there it was the first place on your list right yeah that was the first place on the hit list so of course you know we went up there when my grandmother had gone down for a nap and we were at the house and we were in my grandfather's sunroom and so you know John I went okay let's go up there so he goes zooming up into that room you know and boy you know you just felt you know even in Hawaii there was just something you know you you know I mean maybe my grandmother spooked me out you know but whatever the case was you know I I thought I really felt something there right and of course it turns out that that the person you know had a background from England had lived in this house previously and so forth and so on and I just thought well maybe there's just some sort of remnant memory hmm from my connection with that person you know well my brother and I were up to no good in that third floor of our house and and that's certainly a possibility but that's where I would attribute these memories from it actually comes from I think a deceivers or a diabolic spirit that's making suggestions but it's not you are not a reincarnate right you know it's always interesting as we go to break right now that everybody's reincarnated there were always famous people they were from nobodies ever just Joe Blow the six-pack guy was delivering milk okay with you father Spitzer as we take a break much more head father Spitzer's universe returned with some questions and then also talked about our topic the Holy Eucharist and Jesus is passion stay with us much more head [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] talking more about the Holy Eucharist and Jesus's passion here in the heart of father Spitzer's universe and we moved back on with father Spitzer one last question before we get into the topic this one's semi-related dear father Spitzer is there a way that we can better understand how the souls in heaven relate to those that may they may have known I guess in life who have been condemned to eternal fire god bless you this is George so I guess is there any relationship or any cognizance between people who knew each other who ended up in unfortunately opposite locations well I don't think there probably is you know I I do think you know that a human beings that might have you know you know been condemned or something of that nature or even chosen hell a chosen condemnation which is you know normally how it occurs it has to occur through free will but those individuals sometimes can you know join the ranks of other spirits and in in the world and they could influence what's going on here and including yourself and I do think some hauntings that take place and in houses and again I don't want to get into paranormal things but somehow hauntings that happen are not just diabolical hauntings I think they are hunting's by people who are thoroughgoing ly evil and you know have chosen a kind of you know dark existence for themselves they have come back to spread a malicious evil the very kind of thing they did on earth and have chosen in the afterlife now when this happens I do think you know they they tend to go back to where they were you know you know a house that they may have lived in or something familiar you know but that need not be the case they could actually attach to somebody but but the point is yes there could be some communication but remember their communication with you will be malevolent it will not be good you don't want to get any communication from them and your best option is when you think that someone who might be in that state and you never know it could be a complete deceit on the part of the devil remember he is the Prince of Lies and so the main thing is you don't know who's communicating with you right we don't want the Robbie Manheim deal where he thinks he's talking to his aunt and he's not he's talking to you know a diabolical spirit but the point is that you don't know who you're talking to you should never communicate with somebody who looks like their malevolent you should never trust anything that a malevolent spirit is saying including their own identity and finally at the end of the day ask st. Michael and Jesus to protect you or the Blessed Virgin Mary st. Michael and Jesus to protect you because I'm telling you you want to stop that communication immediately and I use the st. Michael prayer I use the brief form of the st. Michael prayer immediamente and so I just don't want to be in communication with them and I don't trust a thing they're saying so if they say aha you know you know I'm your aunt and I'm in hell I wouldn't believe that for one minute you know just don't even consider it a fan run I can assure you at 90% chance it's a suggestion with the devil from the devil trying to discourage you or more or more right you know not just 90% okay well let's move on to our topic talking about our Lord of course the Eucharist and Jesus's passion in the credible Catholic series that we're working through in there you say talking about our Lord you say this is my whole self given up for you in the sense of what our Lord was actually saying and you say that this is this is remarkably similar to Jesus's definition of unconditional love in John's gospel gift of one that holds self you get that kind of John Paul to self donation there right yeah that's right that's exactly right and I think it follows because see they're two Greek we're talking about the eucharistic words of Jesus right and you know he says this is my body given up for you well that that's the the very first part of it now the word body can you know in the Aramaic it can be translated by two Greek words one of them is is essentially soma and the other Sark's Sark's means flesh on the bone generally so I would translate as flesh or as soma means body in the sense of the way we use body in the word everybody or somebody which would be like you know every whole human being right the whole self we're not just talking about every flesh or some flesh we're talking about the whole person right well soma generally refers to you know as they use of body in that whole person sense now when you go to John's Gospel clearly you see in John's Gospel right you know that that there is no greater love love that a man can have than to give you know his life for his friends you know now life is your whole self for your friends right and so I said you know this is not only just a gift of Jesus's whole self right not just his flesh but his whole self and now we know his crucified self has risen self his divine self right his whole self given but a whole self given is unconditional love no greater love than that so it's the unconditional no restraints no greater than love that's what's being given you know at once so it's Jesus is you know crucified body risen body and and of course divine nature divine personhood combined you know given away which is his unconditional love all wrapped up in the same Eucharistic species of bread we celebrate now you also say this unconditional love is corroborated by the gift of his blood which according to Jewish custom is separated from the body of the sacrificial offering and then you go on to say about the fact that the blood of the Passover lamb put on the doorpost of every Israelite household and you relate that to Jesus in a sense taking the place of the sacrificial animal he replaced the worldly freedom offered by the Passover freedom from slavery in Egypt with an unconditional and eternal freedom from sin and death right and and of course you know again we're talking about the eucharistic words and you know what Jesus is doing here now I remember when I was in grade school you know I hear this is my body this is my blood so of course my hand goes up immediately and I asked the teacher well why does he have to say his blood I mean his blood is part of his body so I don't get it well here's the reason for my poor teacher didn't know but she was a great teacher anyway but she didn't know the answer so didn't know you were in a class or we're gonna be there but the Jewish sacrificial when Jewish people did sacrifices what did they do for example a sin-offering so you take an animal like a bird or something of that nature and the first thing you did was you took out the blood from the carcass right so the flesh was over here and the blood was over here then the flesh would be sacrificed first afterwards the blood would then be sprinkled around the altar right which would lead to the redemption of sins because that the people thought that the sins had gone into the blood of this sin offering now this is very very typical way of looking at things in Jesus's time so when Jesus has the right of the bread which is the right of the flesh the body first right then you know there's the dinner and then after the dinner there's the right of the blood right the right of the wine which is the blood when that occurs every Jewish person is going oh this is a sacrificial offering now why is he making a sacrifice not of a bird why is he making a sacrifice of himself this is my body this is my blood why would he be doing that because of course the self sacrifice is a complete gift of self for the forgiveness of sins this is the cup of My Blood right the blood of the new and everlasting covenant which will be shed for you and for all for the forgiveness of sins or the many for the forgiveness of sins now when you're looking at missed the formula right every Jewish person would have understood exactly what Jesus was saying that he's making the sacrificial offering he's going to become the new sacrificial offering the son of God will be the new sacrificial offering rather than an animal and it's going to lead to the definitive forgiveness of sins because he is the son of God he's the one taking the place of the sacrificial animal and he does it out of an unconditional act of love complete self-sacrifice equals love just look in John's Gospel now the main thing then for Jesus in doing this is he wants to take the place of the animal he wants to sacrifice himself out of love completely for us so that our sins will be definitively forgiven but that's not the only analogy to the animal as you just pointed out Doug what the other analogy is is when he you know he goes up to set to allow himself to be persecuted and sacrificed he does it on what feast he does it on the Passover and of course you know the feasts of the Passover this is where the Israelites are celebrating right where you take an unblemished lamb from either the Sheep the goats and the unblemished lamb is sacrificed at Twilight just right representative of what the Israelites did before they fled and then of course what did the Israelites do to prevent you know to enable themselves to flee from the captivity to freedom they put it on their doorposts of every israelite household so that the Angel of Death would fly over would pass over hence the name of the feast Passover would pass over it now the point of course is in the Passover it's not just the forgiveness of sins it's now the freedom from the Angel of Death and it's not just the freedom from the Angel of Death to escape captivity at a particular point in time it's the freedom from death to us to escape the Angel of Death forever so that is to say - for eternal life there's no possibility anymore so Jesus takes the place of the unblemished Paschal Lamb he takes the place of the Passover lamb goes up to Jerusalem on the Passover to be sacrificed at this time for the pure reason of freeing us from sin freeing us from death freeing us from the evil one and from all darkness and bringing us into the into the kingdom with him of his eternal love his eternal joy his eternal goodness and his eternal light and that is what he's doing I mean there's there's no question about it right it's the love that will save the world and we're receiving it into us this is his precise intention so what if so if a Jewish family let's say didn't do that but sacrifice and put the blood on the on the doorpost would they have been impacted the way the Egyptians were in general then yes yes exactly I mean as as the modern generation might say they would have been toast okay for all intents and purposes than the reign of terror that came down that enabled the the Israelite people to go free would have also rained down on them right okay again because I guess it wasn't that the angel couldn't figure out who the Jewish people were without him that honor it was really an automatic of their only kind of obedience obedience faith and obedience okay very good here's another question we say here and you alluded to it a little bit before you said we need to understand the first century Jewish view of time in memory the grass the significance of Jesus is ritual yeah yeah last week we just concluded our a show by talking about you know the you know the collapse of time in two directions and and so when Jesus says do this in memory of me or he says this is my body which will be given up for you right which is given up for you right when he's doing that that is is meant to be taken literally when he says do this in memory of me he doesn't mean just calling it to mind mentally that's a Greek thought that's not a Jewish thought that's a 20th 21st century American thought that's not a Jewish thought that the anamnesis the remembrance literally is a reliving to collapse the present moment into the past moment to receive the grace of the past so let me sort of re-exploring didn't didn't hear it last week but that the main point is there's two collapses of time going on by the way the Jewish audience understands this it's us who come along you know or Martin Luther who came along later on who's looking at this from you know you know a 16th century Germanic perspective you know and looking to the Greeks for his understanding of this he misunderstood it but I'm telling you that that the church in its initial centuries understood it perfectly well and so did John when he was writing the sixth chapter of his now the the main thing to look at is what's the first collapse of time remember there's two ways you know that you can you can collapse time into the future or you can collapse time into the past Jesus is sitting there at the Last Supper with his disciples and he says to them this is my body given up for you now we put the future tense in there but this is my body given up for you is right now now of course when you hear that you don't say oh he made a tense error you know instead what you look at is a ho he really means that he is reliving as it or as it were he's pre living this future moment so he is the Prophet right and more than a prophet he is the Messiah son of God who is communicating completely through his divine nature to the mind of the Father who controls time Jesus completely knows that when he utters his prophetic word the father literally is hearing that prophetic word at that very moment and in Acts the collapse of time from the past into the future in other words when the collapse of time happens it doesn't happen in an absolute sense what happens is the event of Jesus on the cross is collapsed into his present moment even though that event on the cross is in the future that event collapses into the present this is the completely commensurate with Jewish thought now in the same mode what happens is that when you know Jesus does this it's not just that the future moment collapsing into the president literally his body on the cross is collapsing into the the species of bread that he is holding this right the bread usually is my body right a given up for you and the same thing with the blood it's not just the blood that's being shed on the cross it's collapsing literally into the species of the wine in the cup this is the prophetic word his word reaches out to the future through the mind of God and collapses the future event excuse me collapses the future event into the present but that's not the only collapse of time I know that sounds confusing but believe me if we're gonna get it we gotta get it and so you just got to think like a Jewish person you gotta literally you know think that God's in God's mind any event is collapsible into any other event and now we go to the priest who's elevating the host let's say at the consecration so when I'm going to be elevating the host and the consecration at 12:15 today what is happening what does Jesus mean by do this in remembrance of me what is happening when we relive the Christ's event of the Last Supper event when we are raising this host in the air in the chalice in the air what happens is that Jesus's event at the Last Supper literally collapses into the present right so the present event you know now comes into this bread this host that I am holding and what's coming into the present it's Jesus giving himself at the Last Supper that's coming in well what is he giving us he is giving us the bread that has been transformed into his body right when he goes to the future that body right is is now in the in the host that he's holding that very bread turned into his body is now present in the host that I am consecrating the collapse of time occurs through the mind of the Father through the mind of Jesus and when it actually takes place we are receiving his body we are receiving the very body that he gave to his disciples right at the very Supper where that body was collapsed from the future event into the present we're receiving that now it's it's literally collapsed into the host its collapse his blood is collapsing into the wine and so that the sacrifice then the unbloody sacrifice is complete and we're receiving the real body and blood of Jesus into us okay that's what he intended right well obviously otherwise why would those people have turned away when he said you know will you leave me - I mean if it was just you know you know kind of talking about it philosophically there was a sure that's what you we believe you that sounds good yeah okay where are you going to go is right yeah exactly are you gonna leave me - and there we go you have the words of eternal life exactly I'll leave you a lot of us remind ourselves the times we read the headlines in the church you know get upset but even where you know where are you gonna go exactly you also just before we go I don't want to get too deep but Johannes Betts talks about a word named yeah anamnesis or something on that what is that yeah okay anamnesis in greek means memory mmm but that's always just saying when Jesus says do this in memory of me right I mean it comes out we have a Greek New Testament right and so we're using Greek words and anamnesis for a Greek person means call it to mind but remember this is a Greek translation of a semitic of an aramaic word and and so the aramaic has a completely different meaning and as a different meaning in the prophetic context in which jesus is uttering it right and it has a different meaning remember the priest originally is called a prophet in the church and the the priest remains a prophet i continue to have the power of the prophet that is given to me at ordination which comes from the very power of the prophetic power that comes to the apostles through that lineage now so that the idea is when this is prophetically altered the prophet has the ability to come to collapse time in the future and in the past through the reliving of an event or through you know the projection of a future event so when the you know the Prophet does this right and when Jesus does this that the Son of God right he literally is saying I'm going to actuate my presence in this sacrificial Supper that is you know collapsing time between now and my future crucifixion I'm gonna do this for you in perpetuity every time you relive it so with the word anamnesis you have to read into it relive not just call it to mine relive for the efficacious moment of collapsing time so that my body will be present in the host right now and this is the way the early church understood it I mean you could have never gotten John six out of that you know you know the Gospel of John chapter six out of that you know otherwise I mean they had to understand the correct meaning and and I just don't see you know if a pregnant president you know god bless him you know if they say well I just don't see how that's possible all I do is say well how do you understand John six like I don't see how you can understand it any other way and by the way he repeats right you know that it's his body and blood his real flesh is real food you know his the bread of like a hundred times you know what what do you want well if you know I mean it's just like great the universe I would assume that he could take care of this as well with that being said we're asked for your blessing as we head out the door father absolutely and bow your heads and pray for God's blessing and may the Lord of all unconditional love and mercy the Lord who would come down and give himself completely forth and give us this great sacrament of the Holy Eucharist where we could receive his very body and blood and unconditional love into us for the full transformation of our being in the forgiveness of our sins unto our salvation rain down in grace upon you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit amen excellent thank you so much father Spitzer's we shall see you next week next week it will be very good and of course for all of you out there just a reminder beside seeing you next week this week we've got the 2019 January 18th this Friday March for life Washington DC Katharine Hayhoe and father Patrick and of course we got the mass from the Basilica on Thursday evening and of course after that besides the one life LA event and the walk for life westco's coming up the following week we've got World Youth Day as well coming up Tuesday January 22nd running through Sunday the 27th coming from Panama City Panama and of course father mark will be there on location I'll be helping out as well so look for all of those events and join us again next week as we talk about explaining the doctrine of the Trinity and the Incarnation quite a bit to think about till next week when we rejoin father Spitzer in the heart of father Spitzer's universe at the intersection of faith and reason I'm Doug Keck I'll be looking for you [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause]

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