FASTEST CHAINSAW CHAIN?! How to square file a chainsaw by hand.

[Music] go take your contacts out okay old man step number one if you guys are nearsighted and you're almost 50 years old hey your eye correction out it's essential you'll see way better lighting a nice lighter everything and since I'm losing my night and I'm trying to beat old Jay last video I did about sharpening I showed you how to round file this is the same just five minutes ago Jed and I were out there and we did this test and if you remember the stock Oregon chain cut that piece of wood which was exactly the length of my guide bar so cut that big piece of fur in 26 seconds twenty six point three second twenty six point three six seconds after I was done with the chain eighteen point nine four seconds after I took the gullet out leaving the gold in twenty two forty six all in all my chain was twenty eight point fourteen percent faster than the stock Oregon chain so now Jed's gonna go after it with the square file he's gonna show you guys how to do that and we're gonna measure the difference the reason I do round and not square is frankly that takes more skill to do it with the triangle for the square file and I've I'm trying to learn but I haven't gotten it down yet so just gonna show us he's gonna show me how to do it I want to try sharpening my cell like this too so it helps to ram your chain up crazy tight that's basically just a redneck chain tensioner and I started changing your top kind of okay when you coming down so with this this is technically hexagonal we call it a triangle so we can't come to six but essentially a six-sided file and I'm just nicking the top of his tire out there I don't know if you can get in there and see that but yeah I'll just put this file in the gap here I'll come down at about 20 degrees and as long as the flat part of this file is riding like flat on the tie strap then I know that the relative angles of chisel angle top light angle and side plate angle are going to come out correctly so when this corner is located right in the corner of the chisel I know that I'm getting the correct the three relative correct angles so see how he does that yeah it just makes it so the chisels will not rock at all unless you're pushing really hard with the file they'll just basically stay stationary and it's much easier to align the file properly in the exact corner of the jewel and that's a little bit I'm not perfect like that that top plate angle is technically a little bit too steep for square grind that's more like 30 or 25 you if you're looking for about 20 maximum yeah they take a certain amount of gold material oh it's like a little file one of the diameters is 5/16 will be sharp in the top and I was with Jake 5 30 seconds 30 seconds I'll use that when I've done that when it dug dug out the proper dish in my gullet square filing takes me no longer at all huh and I really like how cleanly it cuts especially if the cleanup gozman and an undercut or something like that it'll cut in at an oblique angle just really precisely right rather than like sometimes if you're trying to clean it up the chain wants to kind of roll on the side of the angled piece of wood doesn't want to go in yeah I'll flip your chain yeah you can smooth they're cutting did you do the whole chain I did the whole right side I'm flipping over to the left okay so Jed flips it over just like I do how'd you get started on this what made you decide to start trying to go square on these I mean um not a whole lot of residential guys yeah that's the thing I've always kind of been enamored with the methods that the timber fathers use you know both in getting the trees over in how they cut wood and why and in bucking logs like their technique in bucking and everything it's always like fascinated me so I'm like well wait a minute why do they like a square grind and I read well because it's faster and I thought well like a little bit faster or what and then when I learn how to do it I couldn't believe the advantages gained both in the cleanness of the cuts just using using a sauce especially a top handle I just to my top panel chains and explained that uh yeah I just expense so much less effort on an old man to be able to reach out maybe both hands on the top panel that's still you just blasting through big rooms do you use the same file for the top handle as you do the big saw yeah yeah I do these will fit the little peeko chain these triangles won't fit in when the chisels new so I use like a goof file or even a double bevel file but once the chains down to like half life something like that I will use the triangle just cuz it's kind of easier to use than the others we're grinding files like the goo file in the double-double but they all do essentially the same thing so I want to try to get like a really clear understanding of like the angles that you're doing here yeah so you're going in a downward angle right that's about 20 degrees down on the file like if this is zero yeah that's roughly 20 okay a lot of people think of like 90 so so this way you're essentially 45 it's it's something like 40 degrees this way but if you just think about bisecting a square so 45 and 45 you're gonna be really close but because of trigonometry or something I don't understand that ends up creating about a 20 degree top plate and roughly if you can see from the side Jake that there's that little baby straight angle on the side there and that that comes out about 10 degrees kicked out this way or almost twenty ten to twenty degrees something like that so you're going to a downward angle and you're putting the corner of the triangle in the corner of the cutting tooth yeah you really want to be bang on right inside it put your file in there yeah yeah it's rested in there yeah so so there's a micro edge here should go right in the corner between the side and the top so you'll know if you're not writing flat if this bottom part is just an incidental advantage is that if this flat part of the file is rather flat on the tie strap and you're at 40 degrees yeah you know that that has the correct angle so you should just see you want the bottom of the triangle flat on the tie strap exam and you want the corner to go right on the corner in there now you know all your relative angles are matching and then you go down so it's like 45 degrees this way and then 45 degrees that way this yeah actually 45 degrees to the Guide bar roughly 20 degrees at a down where I go I don't know exactly it depends on like 404 she looks like you you're going down and you're just tickling the tie strap yeah that's it that's how you know you're just barely touching the tights so you see that right where is it where is the tie strap right yeah yeah so if you're just barely touching the tie strap you're that's how steep you want to be right so how long have you been doing trees dead I think 17 years 17 years you did yeah shed loves cutting trees what do you say Jed's still our husky oh man I think the five hundred eye is gonna blow us away what yeah if they ever at least sit over here the three nine five is so legendary I don't see that soft I mean here's my naivety but I cannot see anything ever feigning a 395 rates great weight class like that's the old seventies that wall 372 s we're the same way my new ex torques 372 is it's okay it's pretty good I was told that one of the reasons this tends to cut so much faster than wrong is because the increased flow between the side and the top plate so you're effectively tunneling out a much bigger area so again like how Jake hogs meat out of the bottom part of this side plate or what we call the gullet that made a noticeable improvement so what this is doing is taking neat out between the plates it's like making a hollower viaduct back to Jake's door plain analogy like a carpenter's planner it is severing the wood fiber differently then then the Ron does and I was also told by Tamra cutter up in Alaska that the reduced top plate angles produce reduce driver drag in the bar groove now Jed do you do anything different with the rakers no no I I keep them exactly factory specs on the raker mind you not with these organs I haven't used these so that goes by inches and I've only use the still gauge which is like point six five what Evers I think it's millimeters so we're almost there over there are you done yeah we're there no bump the racers down probably a notch just cuz it the top plates are getting smaller at this point you know so I'll just feel it and then I'll scrape one off the top and I do I do round the little bit there you don't have to do that oh so you want to explain that yeah so that's yeah I get mine too whatever got 0.65 is I get it to there and then that's flat and I go like this you don't have to but that'll make your saw bore better on the west coast we don't need more very much but like I'm sure for Euro ballers and for even East Coast guys who are used to shorter bars in a harder wood it's very important to round that goofy flat spot out that you're gonna make as you take your rakers down because that little bump in the font that little corner will actually because when you're boring you're using the round part of the guide bar this bottom quarter here so that actually protrudes higher and it's as if you haven't taken your breakers down enough yeah I think that's the only reason that they tell you to run that and I know that guys that don't do it still they're saws or I mean they're ripping sharp so it's not that big a deal I just kind of check I go like this giving one swipe put it back and check I can feel this one I got years ago in the metal so hard that I know the flat files not really taking any material off it it just kind of skids across it which is nice these are hard to get now in this particular kind of Steel I don't know why that's a pretty good tooth it sucks and you can see the you know the chisel angle of the top sleeve that is what you want to said they're like okay so yeah that dirty little line bisecting those two plates is what makes what makes a ton of chip flow that's also severs the wood grain a little more effectively I was told ya they are what is the cheapest you know yeah so can I get this is it more expensive no yeah that she doesn't pretty good yeah where are you done alright so back to the log deck glasses it again all right so everybody remembers the last video the same log I just took a cookie off a little bit ago what was it eighteen so 18 point 94 seconds that was the last time that I got so I sharpened it got it 28% faster from the stop chain and now Jed's sharpened my chain and we're gonna see what is faster square filing or round filing [Music] [Music] [Applause] 14:51 so what was mine 18:18 Jed's is four seconds faster than mine so a 14 oh I gotta write this down we're probably coming close to a half huh yeah I got it I got to do the math on this that's fast dude yeah it was so fast it cut fairly well dude 1450 yeah look at the size of the chest man that was way faster fourteen and a half seconds compared to my 18 this is cool every step of the way it's been faster I got to write it down on my paper and then do some more math but nice job dad that was awesome alright time to do some math so Jed yeah so you're now your squares 1451 to the stock 26 36 times so that's so much faster dude way better the stock chain 26 seconds and Jed got in 14 seconds I gotta get the percentages and so I gotta do a little more without the percentage calculator dude that's good man that's crazy that is so much faster why is the stock chain so bad a bunch of timber cutters and Madsen's all grind up different chains I think one foot they had 14 different guys and the winner I can't remember how much how much faster has chain was over the stock but the guy from Oregon cutting systems couldn't believe it give the guy a brand new yeah that's almost double their speed that's amazing it's weird dude yeah you did such a good job I gotta hit the percentages okay so I did some I did the math so so check it out Jed okay so if you remember my previous video first we ran the stock chain 26 point 36 seconds and I sharpened it but I left the gullet in and that was 22 42 so I got a 14% in 14.90 for it there's an increase that I took out the gullet I got 1894 my chain cut twenty-eight point fourteen percent better than the factory stock chain so trees and sharp is almost 30% faster then gent hit it with the square file and got down to 14 point 51 seconds so then so the Oh Jed's chain is 44 point almost 45 percent forty four point nine five percent faster than Oregon's chain and his chain was twenty three thirty eight twenty three percent faster than even my chain was so there you have it that's the round you know rat so stock round square and there you have it I mean square and it's jegi Jed you said twenty three percent faster that's crazy I just can't what you specifically said it's twenty three percent faster yeah maybe you said that a long time ago and you were telling me about it they make a manual filing gauge for a double bevel file I've never bought it's like $350 I wanted it but they found out yeah they put there to kind of feed machines feed rate measuring machines with their round and their square and they found it at twenty two twenty three percent that's amazing you hear someone say Oh sharp like a brand-new chain well your brand-new chain sucks that oh yeah okay starting to get cocky here what you need is you need an inbred Jed chain 14 I mean Jade you're 45 percent faster almost that's amazing dude you're almost twice as fast or was that would that be wait no I don't know how I'm no good man yeah that's why we do trees anyways yeah way faster than the stock that's amazing man good job that was so cool yeah no problem it was just amazing to me that you said 23% 23% yeah yeah nice job Jed and there you have it that's how you get that's how you do it square a file Jed just picked up this grinder we're gonna get that dialed in and we'll do another once that style then we'll do another video see how to how to square grind change the grinder yeah that'd be sweet yeah nice job Jed I was awesome you

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Keywords: chainsaw, round file, Jacob rogers, Jake rogers, treeson, arborist, how to sharpen a saw, wood, how to, tree sugeon, tree, wood cutting, stihl, razor sharp, husqvarna, Jed walters, inbred jed, square file, triangle file, double bevel file, square grind, chainsaw blade, chainsaw chain

Id: 96moQqxqzdo

Length: 21min 34sec (1294 seconds)

Published: Sat Mar 07 2020