[Music] BD: Welcome to "Something More." I'm your host, Bob Duvall. And I'm here with Tom Horn. Now Tom has been a guest
on "It's Supernatural!" many times, and Tom is
a best-selling author, publisher, CEO
of SkyWatchTV. He's a radio-TV personality. God's using you, Tom, in
so many different ways. But I want to go back to
when you were in your 20s. You were a new
believer, and you died? TH: Yeah. BD: Tell me about that. TH: Yeah, so, you know, very,
very hungry, young Christian, just very passionate,
praying every possible hour of the day. And
basically, begging God to please let me be
involved in the ministry full-time, that's
all I wanted to do. Like the Bible says,
"The zeal of the Lord hath eaten me up," right? And so, I came home
from work one day, prayed before I went to bed, for
probably several hours. BD: Wow. TH: And then
went to sleep. BD: So, you were hungry. TH: Yeah. BD: You were -- TH: Very much so. BD: Okay. Wow. TH: But went to sleep,
and the next thing I know, I am standing in front of a
very, very brilliant light. And it's actually
impossible to put into words exactly what it
was that I was seeing. There was a brilliance
of rainbow-type colors, so this was more
than three dimensional, this was 10-dimensional
or 20-dimensional, or something. BD: Now, it was, like,
instantaneous? You weren't going through, like, a
tunnel, or any -- TH: No. BD: Okay. TH: No, it wasn't your standard,
like, near-death experience. BD: Yeah. TH: Or maybe it
was, I don't know. But anyway, I'm in front
of a brilliant light. Now, somehow, I knew that
I was standing before God. I also somehow knew
that He had told me some things, and He had
shown me some things. And in fact, part of
what I never get into is, I also knew that a scroll
had rolled out in front of me, and things were
playing out on this, like I was
seeing the future. BD: Okay. TH: But then
all of a sudden, He tells me, "You
have to go back now, and you're not going
to remember." So -- BD: That's crazy, though.
It's, like, He brings you up there, He shows
you all these things, and then He said, "You're
going to forget," you're not going to
remember this stuff? TH: Yeah. Right. BD: Why? TH: Well, I didn't
know until later, I learned later why
that was the case. But the last thing I
recall is me saying, "Please, don't
let me forget. Don't let me forget,
it's too wonderful. Don't let me forget." But He had told me I
was going to forget. So, I started
falling backward. It was just as if somebody
had pushed me out of an airplane, and my back
is towards the earth. I could literally hear
the wind going around me, it was so vivid. And this light is moving
away from me very quickly. Moments later, I literally
saw the roof of my house go around me, right? And I landed on the bed
with what felt like a thud, right, and I sat up in
bed. Took in this deep breath [gasps] like that. And now I was no longer
in this dream state, but I was literally
physically awake now and sitting on the bed. BD: Well now,
I've got to ask you, Tom, how do you
know you really died? I mean, it could have
just been a weird dream. TH: Right. Except for the fact
that I hear weeping. And I turn and I
look, and my beautiful, young wife is
sitting up on the bed, her head is down
inside of her hands, and she's been
crying for a while. BD: Hmm-mm. TH: And I said, "Babe,
what's the matter? What's the matter?"
And when she's able to collect herself, she explains
how she had woken up in the middle of the
night, and I was dead. No breath, no
heartbeat, no pulse, no anything. BD: Wow. TH: And she had literally
spent quite a bit of time, something like
maybe 15 minutes, trying to resuscitate
me, trying to blow into my mouth, beating on my
chest, trying to get me to respond at all. BD: So, you were dead-dead. TH: I was dead-dead. BD: I mean, it wasn't
a like a minute, a 15-minute period. TH: A long period of time. And so, you know, I'm
trying to take all of this in, and still wondering
what had just happened to me; where was I, what was
it that I saw, why was I told I
would not remember? BD: Right. TH: You know, I probably
shouldn't tell you this, but the next day, I went and
found my pastor, right? And I tell him what
happened to me. And his response,
you know, was pretty much, "Well, you
probably ate too many chili beans before
you went to bed." BD: Ah. TH: He thought maybe I
had even been poisoned somehow, right? But
the idea of something supernatural just
wasn't in his bailiwick. So, I learned really
quick, you know, and the New Testament says
not to give that which is holy onto dogs, or -- BD: Mm-hmm? TH: You know, pigs will
turn in random under feed, and so, I'm not saying
my pastor was a pig. BD: Right, yeah, yeah. TH: Nice AG guy, but
he just didn't get it. And but what
then happened was, that caused me to really
withdraw into myself and not to talk about
any of this publicly. But it was praying,
every single day praying. You know, why
did this happen? Why would You -- it didn't
make any sense to me. Why would You
tell me things --? BD: Mm-hmm? TH: But then say, "You're
not going to remember." BD: Of course. TH: That just didn't
make any sense at all. BD: Yeah. TH: But I also happened
to be reading through the Bible for the
first time in my life, book by book
through the Bible. And a few weeks
after that event, still praying
about it every day, I'm in the Book of Job,
Chapter 33. And you know what the
charismatics talk about, the Logos and Rhema? BD: Right. TH: The difference
between the printed word, and then when the
word comes alive, right? BD: Mm-hmm. TH: And I was
literally reading through, and here's what my eyes
fell upon in Chapter 33 of Job, Verse 14,
"For God speaks once, yea twice, yet man
perceives it not." Now that's the first clue
that there's something hidden here, right? BD: Mm-hmm. Right. TH: Verse 15, "In a dream,
in a vision of the night, when deep sleep
falleth upon men, in slumberings
upon the bed, then He opens the ears
of men and seals their instructions that He
may withdraw man from His purpose, and hide
pride from man." And there, for
the first time, was the answer
to my prayer, really in great detail. He even explains why
you're not going to remember. He says,
this to withdraw man from His purpose. I
totally understood that even as a young
preacher, that if I had then saw the fact that
someday I'd be sitting here with a guy like Bob
doing television, and you know, on the
Sid Roth program, BD: Mm-hmm? TH: And if I would
have seen all of this, being a publisher, being
a best-selling author, speaking at conferences,
you know, what would I have done? I would
have aimed at it, and I would have done
everything I could do to go directly there
and make it happen. BD: Right. TH: That would
have been my purpose. He wouldn't let me
remember why because He had a different path that
it was important for me to walk through,
both the good, the bad, the struggles,
everything that I would have to learn that could
season me and qualify me, that later on be
able to do what I do. But He also says to
hide pride from man. BD: Mm-hmm. TH: As much as I'd like
to think that as a young preacher, if I had seen
doing all of this stuff that I would not have been
lifted up with pride, it's very possible, right? BD: [Laughs]
Yeah. TH: Because
again, not seasoned, not experienced.
So, there was a methodology behind it.
And so, BD: Okay. So now God,
though, did have a purpose, and He did unfold to you
later on some of those things that you
received in Heaven, but you didn't remember. And when we come back,
Tom is going to talk about one of those things that God
showed him. [Music] It's an amazing prediction about the pope that came true. Come back and join
us in just a moment. [Music] BD: Welcome back to "Something More." I'm here with Tom Horn,
and before we get to your prophecy about the pope,
one of the things that God revealed to you was
something that was happening, or going
to happen, in the religious institution
you were part of. So, what happened
with that thing? TH: Yeah, so I don't talk
about that one very much publicly, because there
are elements of it that are embarrassing to some
of the executive members. I was, I went on to
pastor, by the way, for 25 years in the
Assemblies of God, or right at 25 years. I was an executive in
the Oregon district of the Assemblies of God
for about eight years. And right when I
retired, and by the way, I've never been so
busy, being retired, in my whole life. But right when I retired
from the Assemblies of God, I had a vivid dream. And when I woke up, I
wrote down almost a whole series of, like, 12 points
of things that were going to happen, one of them
even included the death of a young man,
before it unfolded. BD: Mm-hmm-mm?
Right. TH: And I sealed this
and sent it to the state superintendent of
the Assemblies of God, gave my son a copy of
the letter. And not long ago, my son recovered that
letter. And he came back to me, and he was
just ashen white. He said, "Dad," he said,
"This is spooky. It's scary." BD: Mmm? TH: He said, "Every single
thing you put on here happened exactly
as you detailed it, including the death
of this young man." BD: Mm-hmm? TH: So that was one of
the times. But again, there's a lot of elements
to that that could be embarrassing to some
members of the organization, BD: Right. TH: So, I don't talk
about it often. BD: But the fact was, you
heard it in a dream ahead of time. So that's
sort of the pattern, then. TH: Yes. BD: God unpacking,
unfolding these things to you at the
appropriate time, like in a dream. You'll wake up and you'll
have a knowing, TH: Mm-hmm. BD: That this
is going to happen, and then you
documented that. So, let's fast forward
then, a little bit, to the whole
thing about the pope. Now this goes back
just a few years to, let's say, 2011. And
you and a researcher you were working
with, Chris Putnam, TH: Right. BD: Were looking into a 900-year-old prophecy
by St. Malachy. TH: Mm-hmm. BD: About the popes. And what was that about? TH: Yeah, so allegedly,
Malachy O'Morgair, he was an Irish bishop,
and in the 1100s, he was summoned to Rome
by Pope Celestine II, to give a report
on his diocese. So, there's a
big long story, we talk about
it in the book, Petrus Romanus, he's
traveling across Europe. BD: Mm-hmm? TH: He's saying the
conditions of the average person -- and
he was really a people's individual, he
cared about people and their suffering. And he's seeing all this
terrible plight across Europe, then he
winds up in Rome, and it's just the opposite,
the opulence, right? All the regality and
the gowns and the fine wines and
money and power, BD: Yeah. TH: That the
popes were enjoying, and the cardinals
around the pope. And he was really
put off by it. So, he gives this report,
now he's leaving Rome, and as he's coming
over the top of the seven hills, according
to the story, he suddenly receives a vision. And
the vision's actually a judgment against
the papacy. He sees that God is only
going to allow this to go on so long. And so, he writes down
a series of 112 lines, each one of them
representing each pope that would arrive in
succession. BD: Wow. TH: From Pope Celestine
to the final pope, who he calls
Petrus Romanus, Peter the Roman, right? And this would be the pope
that would be sitting on the throne of
Peter in Rome, when the earth enters
into the great tribulation period, and the false
prophet arrives, and the personage of this pope,
pope number 112. BD: Okay, but
that -- but that's, like, centuries ago. TH: Right. BD: So, let's fast
forward a little bit. There is this Belgian
Jesuit priest named Thibault, Rene Thibault, TH: Mm- hmm? BD: Rene Thibault,
who studied this Malachy prophecy.
And based on that, he decided, or he
predicted that a pope would resign in, like, 2012. I mean, that was 60
years in advance. TH: Right. BD: And your
associate, Chris, translated, studied
what Thibault had to say. And you all came to
the conclusion that yes, this was going to happen.
And you had a dream in connection with
this as well. TH: Well, so here's
what, yeah, so this is what's interesting.
Thibault never said that a pope would resign. BD: Okay. TH: He only said that pope
number 112 would arrive based on his predictions. BD: Ah. TH: Which some of it
was just based on just simple mathematics, the
average span of a pope, you know, formulating
that forward. BD: Mm-hmm. TH: He also got into
some mystical stuff, you know, the stars and
the moon and alignments, and just a bunch of stuff. But he predicted about
65 years now ago that the 112th pope, would
arrive, he thought, sometime around
April of 2012. Now here's what's very
strange about what happens with me is, I
will see something, I will write it down
ahead of the event, ahead of the discovery,
and share it with people. And the one about the
Pope Benedict resigning in 2012, I spoke
everywhere about that. BD: You went
out on a limb. TH: I really did. Two
thousand and ten, I go to bed -- and by
the way, I don't know the significance of this. BD: Right. TH: Maybe somebody
watching this show can tell me. It's always
right at around 2:00 a.m. in the morning. BD: Hmm-mm. TH: When I fall
into this place, and I'm back
there now again, and the scroll is
unfolded again. And I see this stuff in
very vivid depictions. And this time it
was really simple. All I saw were very dark
clouds rising up over the Vatican, and I woke up.
And the minute I woke up, I started to write it down.
There wasn't a lot of detail, but then
I started writing that Pope Benedict XVI
is going to resign. And I even put a date
and a time on it in April of 2012. So, came on Sid Roth's
"It's Supernatural," I'm on all these
different programs. BD: Right? TH: All kinds of media. BD: Yeah. TH: My own program
as well, by then. And I'm saying, I predict
that Pope Benedict is going to resign,
he's going to do it in April 2012. Well,
I'm saying this in 2011, right? BD: Yeah, but Tom, we get
all the way through 2012, and nothing happened. TH: Yeah, that's what
it appeared, right? BD: Yeah. TH: In fact, by the way,
because I had gone so far out on a limb -- and I
knew that this was going to happen, no doubt
whatsoever. I had seen it. BD: Right. TH: None of
these quickenings, revelations, so far have
ever failed to come true exactly as I've seen them. So, this really
had me bewildered. Now I was back
to God again, now wait a minute,
what's going on here? I don't get it. BD: Right. TH: So, we go all
the way through 2012, but then what happens
is, February of 2013, the Vatican announces
Pope Benedict XVI has resigned, he
is stepping down. BD: Okay. TH: Right? But that same day, and people can Google
and read this for themselves, the L'Osservatore Romano, which is the Vatican's
media outlet, printed an article,
but they also gave an interview to a New
York Times journalist. BD: Mm-hmm. TH: And in that interview,
they admitted that Pope Benedict actually
officially, secretly, resigned before
the Roman Curia when he returned from a
trip in March of 2012, and they accepted it
in April. So, it involved both March and April.
He did it in March, they accepted it in April
2012, just exactly as I had predicted that
it would happen. And by the way, if
you read the article, it says it was kept
in a strict reserve, a for your eyes only, top
secret security clearance required, right? But
even for cardinals. Most of the cardinals
were surprised, they had no idea
that this had happened. BD: Wow. Did you get that? So, God showed
this to him, he knew it, he
knew it was true. And even though he
went through 2012, didn't see evidence, but
when they got to 2013, it turned out, yes,
it really happened. Okay. I want to get to a more
current prediction in the next segment.
[Music] And this is something
that's going to be coming up, and it's earth,
literally, earth-shattering. You don't want to miss
this, come right back. [Music] [Music] BD: Welcome back to "Something More." I'm here with Tom Horn. It's been a fascinating
discussion. And Tom has so many
different books on different subjects, and
it's -- we could sit here and talk all day, but
we don't have all day. But before the break,
I talked about a more current prophecy, or more
current prediction God has shown you that's
going to come to pass. About a year ago,
you had a dream. TH: Mm-hmm. BD: Tell me what
that one was about. TH: Yeah, this was
the most frightening, the most terrifying.
And it kind of stands at odds with the fact
that I'm a positive person and I like
to speak positively; I don't like talking
about things that are fearful. But
this literally shook me to the bone.
And we don't have time in this interview to
go into the details. At first, I thought I was
looking at a giant dragon that was way up
in the heavens, moving, undulating,
serpent-like, towards earth. But
then I was pulled up above it, and
looking down on it, I saw that it was actually
a giant space rock. And the way it
was turning is, it was moving
through space, and the light of the
sun was shining on it. It gave it the impression
of being a great dragon that was moving
through the heavens. Now, fast
forward in that story, what I saw terrified me. I saw it impact the earth. It was catastrophic when
it did. And when I woke up, I almost
literally fell out of bed. This had more detail
than any vision I had seen before; a lot of
it is in the book, The Wormwood Prophecy. BD: Mm-hmm? TH: But when I woke
up, I sat up in bed, I started to start writing
down what I had seen. And it was as if a
voice spoke in the room, and it said a
single word, it said, "Apophis." Now, I knew that there was
an ancient Egyptian chaos dragon named, Apophis,
the enemy of light. BD: Mm-hmm? TH: I didn't know
a lot about it. I also knew that NASA
had named an asteroid "Apophis," and I didn't
know anything about that. BD: Okay. TH: And so my
first mission, as soon as I
got out of bed, went to my
computer, turned it on, as I started doing
research into the Apophis asteroid, and all of
the details around it, and what NASA
first said about it, what they're now
today saying about it, and the potential for it
to strike the earth in just a bit over nine years
from right now -- of all dates, by the way,
Friday the 13th, April, BD: In 2029. TH: In 2029. Yeah. BD: Okay. Wow. So that's kind of scary, Tom.
[Laughs] So, you know,
especially believers, hearing that. What
should they do? I mean, you know, we don't
want to live in fear. TH: We don't want
to live in fear. But of course, this
is part of prophecy. The entire eighth chapter
of the Book of Revelation deals with what
astronomers, now, I learned this after the
fact, actually believed is detailing the four
elements of an asteroid impact on the earth, from
each of the first four trumpets. It literally
caused me to start reading the scripture
differently. But when you say, you
know, what should Christians do about it? BD: Right. TH: I read Luke 21,
starting at 25 now, differently than I ever
did 25 years as a pastor, but check out
what it says. It says, "There will be
signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars"
And the Greek word, there, stars, is asteron,
asteroids. BD: Really? TH: Uh- hum. And, uh,
"Upon the earth, distress of nations." That's exactly
what I saw, "perplexity," that's exactly what I saw!
"The sea and the waves roaring" That's
exactly what I saw! "Men's hearts failing them
for fear for looking after those things that are
coming upon the earth." That's exactly what I saw. "For the powers of
Heaven shall be shaken." That's exactly what I saw. But then note
how this ends. "But then shall they see
the Son of Man coming in the cloud with
power and great glory. And when these things
begin to come to pass, look up and lift
up your heads, for your redemption
draweth nigh." All of the ancients
believed that asteroids were messengers of
the gods, and in the Bible it's a messenger
of God Himself. And the message is,
lift up your head. Look up. Your redemption is drawing
nigh. Preaching the eminency of the second
coming of Jesus Christ is something that's
been missing in the church for the last few decades. But I actually
believe that by 2025, people are going to be
able to take a telescope at their home, look up
into Heaven and they're going to see Apophis
racing towards the earth. BD: Mm-hmm? TH: Twenty-four months
later they'll be able to see it with the naked eye. BD: Right. TH: And what I saw was
everybody on the planet on their face begging God
to deliver them from this menace that was coming. So, I think this could
actually initiate the next great awakening;
a final revival, if you will, that will
help to usher in literally millions and millions of
people around the world. And then there's one
other element about this, and there's a precedent
for it in scripture, and that is that the
judgment could be averted. If enough people pray, if
enough people turn to God and rend their
heart, it says, instead of their garments,
it could be averted. There's a pattern for that
all through the scripture. BD: Absolutely. TH: The book of Joel,
"If you will turn to me, I will send you a blessing
instead of a cursing." The story of Jonah being
sent into Nineveh, up and down the streets, you're
going to be destroyed in 40 days. BD: Yeah. So, there is,
there is good news. Tom, thank you for
being my guest on "Something More." And thank you for
watching us and visiting with us today. You know, there
is good news. There is good news
of revival coming, of people seeing the
threat and turning to God. If you know Him already,
follow Tom's example. Be hungry, be
desperate for God. Be open to
hearing from Him. And if you
don't know Him yet, today is the day
of your salvation. Turn to Him. Where there's hope,
where's there's, there's excitement in
living the life that God has laid out for you to live. God put in Tom
instructions and things for his life, but God has
a plan for you as well. Thank you again
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