ELON MUSK: "Birthrate might be the biggest threat to the future of human civilization“

[Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] in 2017 you said the third world war will be a war with or about iai now we have a very conventional war can ai help one of the reasons for world war iii would be if one country has or one place has advanced ai technology and other powers wanted or they're worried about some country gaining uh advanced ai that would would give them a strong advantage in war then they may be tempted to attack before the country that is developing the strong ai has that for use in weapons technology russia said that they are going to stop the delivery of rocket engines is that for spacex a threat or an opportunity well spacex we design and manufacture our own rocket engines so we do not rely on any russian components at all um for for the united states of america it is dangerous or well the boeing and lockheed have historically relied on the russian rd-180 engine which i should say to be fair is a great engine they are hoping to move away from that uh in the future with the uh engines from blue origin but those engines are not yet ready for flight um there is also the antares vehicle which is dependent uses the rde 181 i believe they will not be able to fly as a result with all your knowledge and products services you are a strategic weapon in modern warfare how do you see a role in that context ukraine shows that there are opportunities that you needed well i certainly hope that um spacex and tesla do not uh are not forced to develop any kind of weapons technology obviously we would only do such a thing if it was the last resort i mean it more in the metaphorical sense not that you produce weapons but that you are that your knowledge can be used in order to make a difference in conventional warfare or in the warfare of the future which is ai um i i think i can be helpful in conflicts yeah i mean i try to take the set of actions that are most likely to improve the probability that the future will be good um and so obviously sometimes i make mistakes in this regard so it's not like i would always get it right but i aspire to get it right and so whatever you know i think is most likely to uh ensure that the future is good for you know all of humanity that that does the actions that i will take um yeah a couple of months ago we had an exchange about uh anz junger's famous oh yeah storm of steel yep you were very fascinated by that uh book which has been published roughly hundred years ago about jungle's experiences in the first world war why is why is that book so important for you well i read a lot of books um and i i don't know for some reason i'm like fascinated by uh war and history in general um i thought that youngest book was uh you know an excellent first-hand account of uh world war one and i mean it certainly i think uh a lesson taken from that book is we don't ever want to do that again that's interesting yeah that's good that's a good idea saying that because there's a big controversy around that book and some people are saying this is uh a glorifying war yeah it's definitely not and other people are saying a warning for uh not having a war ever again so you're clearly in the second camp well i think like those who are don't like youngest book are basically you know just because it's not uh 100 anti-war in the most extreme way then that there's therefore it's bad no it's like a report it's just neither yeah he's just saying is it or negative it's just describing what happened in a terrible way yeah so i mean nobody's reading any nobody's reading that book and say i want to be do that i want to do that that sounds i mean it makes it very clear it's a very terrible situation um but but he also said like it's it's not like it's it's not like there's no good that comes out of even a terrible situation there's some good that comes out of it but it's overwhelmingly bad it's just it's just really it's interesting to to uh read about history i mean learn the lessons of history such that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past well we know that saying history doesn't repeat but it rhymes and we see orion these days back to the bigger strategic picture i mean the the the terrible actions of putin are to a certain degree also a result of strategic mistakes that europe particularly germany has made the drop out of nuclear energy actually can i just say i think it's very important that germany not shut down its nuclear power stations i think this is extremely crazy i just wanted to ask a question on that because if we if we really want to reduce putin's power and europeans and germany's dependence on russian energy this works only through decarbonization so my question to you is should we have even more nuclear energy in order to get faster independent from putin and to resolve the climate issues i want to be super clear my opinion germany should not only not shut down the nuclear power plants it should reopen the ones that shut down and those are those are the fastest ones to restart uh um it's crazy to shut down nuclear power plants uh now especially like if you're in a place where there's not natural disasters you know so like if you're maybe somewhere where there's severe earthquakes or tsunamis or something like that it's more you know of a question mark is i mean maybe you know but if if there's not like massive natural disaster risk which germany does not have then there's really no danger with the nuclear power plants and you don't see any uh safer alternatives that could have a similar effect so solar and wind is not going to do it with any other ideas in mind about future energy policy i i i think long term most of uh civilization's energy is going to come from uh solar and then you need uh to store it with a battery uh because obviously the sun only shines uh during the day um and sometimes it's very cloudy so you need uh solar batteries is is will be the main long-term uh way that civilization is powered but between now and then we we need uh to maintain nuclear i can't even emphasize enough uh please do not shut down the nuclear power plants uh and please reopen the ones that um have been chat this is total madness to shut them down i want to be clear total madness let's see whether your very clear words are hurt in germany i'm trying to use the strongest words yeah i would say this is a national security risk it's not like like listen play time is over okay uh obviously play time is over this is a national security it's a national security risk to shut these things down it's another bitter uh lesson of that war uh it is not only an issue with regard to climate it is very much an issue it's a national security resolution and it's a climate issue for you know replacing i think people don't understand like you know the coal power plants uh because of their emissions they cause a certain number of deaths every year far more dangerous than nuclear power plants do you have um any other let's say unconventional ideas to deal with the challenge of climate change is it possible through the reduction of consumption and through new forms of energy to resolve it completely without china being completely aligned or should we have a different way to look at it some people are saying perhaps instead of just trying to avoid a warmer climate we should focus on how to live with a warmer climate and adapt to that is that an option and i think we just want to take the set of actions that accelerate the transition to a sustainable energy economy and that sustainable energy economy is going to be like i said primarily solar with wind you absolutely need stationary storage batteries because of the intermittency of solar and wind and then then there will also be hydroelectric geothermal nuclear um these are all fine and the combat but we want to you know just move as quickly as we can to a a sort of a solar electric economy uh so um you know sometimes people say oh well it's cloudy or something you know what about solar and it's like do plants grow they're a solar-powered chemical reaction if plants grow you have solar power obviously how do you think they grow i think we just want to try to move this quickly as possible um and um i do want to emphasize that while i think solo will be the the main uh source of energy it it won't be everything it's it will like say there'll be nuclear hydroelectric geothermal wind and and the faster we get there the better for the world it's really we're kind of running this climate experiment but it's an experiment where we know that that's pointless because uh we know ultimately we will run out of coal uh and oil and gas this is uh it's not going to last forever and so we have to transition to something that is long-term in any case because we will run out of hydrocarbons to burn so then let's just not run the experiment uh but i'm much less of a climate alarmist than people might think although of course my words are taken you know sometimes always amplified but uh how is it going to look like in 15 years better than uh today much better than today from a sustainable energy standpoint much better yeah much better um so your bet is we are going to solve the climate issue yes absolutely we will solve the climate issue uh it's just a question of when and and i'd say like the fundamental good of tesla should be thought of as by how many years did tesla accelerate the sustainable energy revolution that's the fundamental historic code of tesla not whether it would occur it would occur anyway but by how many years did can tesla accelerate that transition you once told me uh about uh population that uh the decrease of reproduction rate birth rate is one of the most underestimated problems of our times can you explain um yeah so most people in the world are operating under the false impression that uh that there are too many people this is not true earth could maintain a population many times it's the current level and the birth rate has been dropping like crazy um so and unfortunately like we have these like uh ridiculous uh population estimates from the u.n that need to be updated because there just don't make any sense um really you can just look at say what was the birth rate last year how many kids were born multiply that by the life expectancy and say okay that's how many people will be alive you know in the future and then say is the trend for birth rate positive or negative it's negative so that's the best case unless something changes with the birth rate i mean you can look at take japan for example i think i'm just going off memory here but i think the population is roughly 110 million but last year if you take the number of uh children born times the life expectancy which is 85 years it's very impressive life expectancy then japan would uh have i think around 68 million people roughly half of the current population that does not tell the full story because those that you would have an upside down demographic permit you already have an upside down demographic permit where you know a lot of old people very few young people and um um you know so how is this that upside down demographic permit is unstable that's also here why we'll need alternatives you have to recently presented optimus and you shared great expectations what that could do for the world yeah could you explain a little bit your motivation i assume it's not only about the first visit to mars that could be done by optimus it is more than that a game changer in ai could you share a little bit your your vision yeah i mean with respect to ai and robotics i always approach these things with some trepidation because uh i certainly do not want to be play a hand in anything that could potentially be harmful to humanity um now humanoid robots they're clearly happening i mean you look at like boston dynamics they their demonstrations are better every year so there will be humanoid robots i mean the rate of advancement of ai is very rapid even if tesla stopped doing ai that would i think we're still on a track to develop artificial general intelligence meaning intelligence smarter than the smartest human concretely optimus is going to be used in tesla factories that's one of the use cases but what is the broader use case uh beyond tesla yeah i mean optimus is a general purpose uh sort of worker droid um so the initial roles for optimus would be in work that is repetitive boring dangerous that kind of thing basically work that people don't want to do unless they're paid to do it why has optimus 2 lacks just because it looks like a human being or is it more practical i thought four legs are better four legs good two looks bad it reminds me of oil humanity has designed the world to interact with a bipedal humanoid with two arms and you know ten fingers so if you want to have a robot fit in and be able to do things that humans can do it must be of roughly the same size and shape and capability the prototype is going to be ready by the end of this year when is it a product that can be mass marketed mass-produced that's the hard part um i mean i don't know i think we'll have something pretty good at the prototype level this year um and it might be ready for at least a moderate volume production you know towards the end of next year do you think that optimus is going to play a role in our daily life helping us in the household and things like that um i think it probably would yeah i think so it's just like say general purpose humanoid uh yeah so you said the potential is bigger than the than the potential of tesla if that's true for cars yeah then it must be really a mass market product yeah sure uh well i mean say like what what is an economy uh like what people get confused sometimes they think an economy is money money is a database for uh exchange of goods and services and for time shifting the exchange of goods and services that's it's a money is a database money doesn't have power in and of itself like you can run the thought experiment if you're trapped on a you know a remote island a shipwrecked on an island um uh and you've got a trillion dollars in a swiss bank account it's worthless you'd rather have a can of soup so you know all the bitcoin in the world you're still going to starve so uh the actual economy is goods and services um so then what limits the output of goods and services the limiter is labor even capital is distilled labor so the limiting factor for the economy is is labor and so if you address the limiting factor for the economy then it's not clear that an economy in the traditional sense has any meaning anymore because you have no constraint on on goods and services um the only the only things that will be missing are things that have artificial scarcity so that way we decide to make it scarce like a particular piece of art or a particular you know home in this exact location or something like that you know but for but there will be no shortage of goods and services but anyway optimus is also an answer to the problem of uh uh drop in uh birth rates if we have not enough human people want more bots to get the work done optimists will be helpful with respect to dropping both rates but i mean like i said you have to say like if these things continue then what happens humanity dies out is that what we want or step by step replaced by artificial intelligence human beings that neuralink is empowering well yeah i mean your link in the short term neurolink is just about solving um you know uh brain injuries and spinal injuries and that kind of thing so to be clear the the for for many years neurolynx products will just be helpful to someone who has lost the use of their uh arms or arms and legs or who has uh just a traumatic brain injury of some kind that's that's what your leg will be useful for for many years but you know our last conversation you said that neurolink is among all your projects for you the most uh important one is that still true um i know i said it it could be i wouldn't say for sure it is the most important but it could be the most important in that the there is a long-term mitigation to artificial intelligence uh which is that uh we could effectively merge merge with artificial intelligence by by improving the speed of interaction between our cortex and our tertiary layer which is already silicon we're basically we're already a sort of a three level intelligence creature the base level is the limbic system the sort of animal brain or reptile brain essentially the sort of fundamental you know yeah that animal or reptile brain and then there's the cortex which the cortex by the way is largely in service to the the reptile brain could you imagine that one day we would be able to download our human brain capacity into a optimus yes i think that is i'm not saying this is i think it is possible i think to do that is possible which would be as a different way of eternal life because we would also download our personalities into about yes we could download the things that we believe make ourselves unique now of course if you're not in a body anymore that there's definitely going to be some difference there you know so um but as far as preserving our memories um our personality if you will uh we could i think we could do that the moment of singularity that ray kurzweil has i think predicted for 25 is approaching fast do you think the timeline is still realistic well i don't i i see this as not i used to i i'm not sure this is a singularity meaning like i'm not sure there's a very sharp boundary i mean already there's so much compute that we outsource um you know our memories are stored in our phones and computers with the pictures and video um you know computers and and phones uh amplify our ability to communicate uh enabling us to do match things that would have been considered magical um and had had you burned at the stake in you know maybe 300 years ago um and um you know you could have two people had to have a video called uh basically for free from two parts of the world you know on opposite sides of the world it's amazing so we already we've already amplified our um our sort of human brains massively with computers um and and and i think an interesting ratio to roughly calculate would be the um amount of compute that is digital um divided by the amount of compute that is biological and how does that ratio change over time and with the there's so much digital compute happening so fast that that ratio is increasing rapidly talking about speed you have the vision that one day starship could be able to get from a to b in 30 minutes all around the globe is that correct and if so what would the time frame for this vision it's like a global super taxi you can just go from i mean san francisco to nairobi yeah um i mean the landing the landing will be loud so you'd want to probably be connecting uh you know um cities that are next to oceans or seas such that you can land maybe uh i don't know far enough offshore that the latin landing noise is not disturbing to people but coast to coast that would be a realistic absolutely yeah yeah it's like an icbm but to change the option package from nuclear to landing delete the nuke ad landing elon you have solved so many problems of mankind and presented so many solutions i'm surprised that one topic seems not to be too fascinating for you and that is uh the project of uh longevity and increased lifespan uh significantly why are not passionate about that well you're not personally interested in living longer i mean i don't i don't think we should try to have people live for a very long time for a very long time that it would cause ossification of society because the truth is most people don't change their mind they just die and so if they don't die they will be will be stuck with old ideas and they won't society won't advance um i think we already have quite a serious issue with the germantocracy where the the leaders of so many countries are extremely old look i mean in the us it's you know very very ancient uh leadership and it's just impossible to stay in touch with the people if you are um you know at the you know if you're like many generations older than them um and the founders in the us they put minimum ages for uh political office but they did not put maximum ages because they did not expect that people will be living so long but they should have um because you really want in order for a democracy to function well the leaders must be reasonably in touch with the bulk of the population and if you're too young or too old it's you can't say that you would be in touch is there a kind of ideal age and how old would you like to get well i think for political leadership i think you want to be i don't know um within ideally within 10 or at least 20 years of the average age of the population this doesn't sound too crazy um so um you know for me i don't know i mean i certainly would like to maintain health for a longer period of period of time but i'm not afraid of dying i think it will come as a relief so only you may not be able to see the vision of spacex come true in your life well i'd like to live long enough to see that being at a net worth of 230 billion roughly being perceived as the richest person uh on earth well i think putin is significantly richer than me you really do yeah yes well i i mean i can't go invade countries and stuff i i believe i mean there's like some old quote that from was it was it crassus or uh that you're you're not really rich unless you can afford a legion do you know do you know john law i don't know john law used to be the richest person on earth 300 years ago okay he was a poker player a gambler on the farm he was the biggest art collector on earth so a lot of superlatives wow in the end he went bankrupt what so pretty far to fall did you ever thought about that option that something could go wrong and that you could one day lose everything i mean there's been many times where i expected to lose everything not you know i mean who starts a car company and a rocket company expecting them to succeed certainly not me i thought they both had less than a 10 chance of success and frankly uh i wasn't wrong uh in that in 2008 we had the third failure of spacex and if the fourth launch had failed spacex would be dead in 2008. um we didn't have no money for a fifth launch and for tesla uh we were tesla's got been on the verge of bankruptcy many times um and we we closed the last the financing round in 2008 because remember at the end of 2008 general motors and chrysler were going bankrupt and ford was almost bankrupt so imagine trying to raise money for electric car startup while general motors is going bankrupt and people were angry that i even asked so but we were able to just barely raise enough money to squeak by um and close the financing round for tesla on the last hour of the last day that was possible in christmas eve 2008 and if we're not closed that financing around then it would go on bankrupt two days after christmas so you know what you're talking about yes this john law uh like a bankrupt fine or whatever i don't care john law got famous with the sentence uh liko no me the economy is me i just got french or english scott as she said yeah there's like a nice phrase in french he worked in france and his main language then was france so um so the question is do you see any danger that one day not only big platforms like google or facebook could face uh much more rigid regulation but that elon musk could be regulated because of regulation actually as it is uh you know spacex and tesla are regulated no but i mean that that there could be a discussion that it's just too much uh like in too many areas like i have too much power personally or something well i mean uh if you if you build in many sectors that are absolutely crucial to a society very dominating see you on mars suckers that's the [Laughter] yeah okay so one way one way to uh to avoid that is to be a good citizen and you are and you have your own foundation could you tell us a little bit about your projects what your foundation is going to do in the future what your priorities are is to donate money and to improve the world beyond your business activities yeah i mean i i do want to emphasize that spacex and tesla fundamentally intended to improve the probability of the future is good so this will do more they will do more than anything i do from a charitable standpoint in terms of of usefulness to humanity i mean tesla's about accelerating sustainable energy obviously that's important spacex is about making life multi-planetary and of course providing global internet through stalling these are fundamental goods that the good of those companies will far exceed anything that i do from a charitable standpoint and i have to say it is very difficult to give away money effectively if you care about the money actually doing good and not merely the perception of doing good but do you see any concrete project that you would like to focus on like for example food supply starvation as a big topic or anything else that comes to your mind for your foundation activities well the you know i the like i said it's a big struggle to give away money effectively uh if you care about like i said if you care about the reality of doing good and not the perception of doing good then it is very hard to give away money effectively and i care about the reality perception be downed so there's you know obviously environmental causes there this education especially science and engineering education pediatric health care you know uh hunger these days is is more of a political and logistics problem than it is not having enough food there's a lot of food in fact you know in the u.s uh in many many countries the the issue is more obesity than it is a hunger uh so um but i always like i'm looking for ways to give away money that are effective like what do you think i should do you know what heroes of uh underrated heroes are the people who are doing a service in hospitals helping elderly people and i think they don't have a lobby okay so i think to do something for them because we all need them if we are in trouble sure think about it if you google elon musk i think you have 156 million search results really 76 million twitter followers you are definitely one of the most popular people on earth is popularity a pleasure or a liability for you well it makes it difficult to go buy a coffee at the corner store that's for sure um so it's so it's hard to go around places you know um i used to be able to just you know go to the store or walk down the street and now it's quite difficult to do that it reminds me a bit of uh the former chancellor of germany helmut kuhl who once told me you cannot imagine how terrible it is to go to restaurant everybody recognizes you who comes to your table yeah ask you for an autograph that's terrible there is only one thing in life that is worse if nobody comes to your table anymore i suppose so well i would for i i really uh it's hard for me to go to a restaurant um so um and if i do i just try to find a corner table and that's kind of dimly lit or something where i can sort of stay out of the way but you cannot turn around is there anything that you um most urgently wanna achieve well i mean the whole um i mean the in the you know the pressing items in the short term are com completing full self driving so that we have full self-driving operating uh at a substantially uh safer level than humans basically it's it comes down to solving the problem of real-world ai that's that consumes a lot of my mind and then getting starship to work not just to get to orbit but to achieve full and rapid reusability which is really the holy grail of rocketry that is necessary for humanity to become a multi-planet species is there anything that you would and don't think those things might happen this year is there anything that you really would like to achieve which you think is going to be impossible um impossible is a strong word but you don't like that word well it's just a strong word i i mean i sort of approach things from a physics standpoint and the word impossible is you know more or less banned in physics um so um i'm really worried about this birth rate thing that's been troubling me for many years um because i just don't see it turning around you know i every year it's worse and uh i drive my friends crazy advice perhaps that's a project for your foundation sure okay you're a multi-talent person is there any field of total incompetence i'm terrible at dancing although you like techno music so much yeah but the nice thing about techno is you don't have to be able to dance very well you can just jump around basically [Laughter] walter isaacson is planning a biography and he has written a biography on einstein on steve jobs on benjamin franklin and leonardo da vinci among the four with whom would you like to meet and have a glass of wine well i mean we're honored to meet any of them even for a minute um i think frank i think ben franklin would be the most fun at dinner and who is the one where you would say i'm closest to him would it be leonardo da vinci i think i'm uh you are a renaissance pretty different from those people you know everyone there um it might actually be ben franklin frankly uh you know he did a lot of science and engineering stuff um i don't know but um you know it's funny davinci uh thought of himself first and foremost as an engineer and in his like application like when he applied for to you know for his position uh um you know that that led him that enabled him to create a lot of the art uh his application was all about his engineering stuff and then at the end and also i do some art [Laughter] it was just funny that um that that he really davinci really thought of himself as an engineer and you know i mean for the time he was pretty impressive uh the german author thomas mann once uh set the purpose of life to be an engineer in the interest of progress of mankind sure is that a good definition for your own ambitions yeah i think that is a good definition is freedom for you the most important value of the society no i think not being dead is i mean like like no society if everybody just cares about that you know i'm just saying there's a maslow's hierarchy you know of of of like okay you know i i these days we you know back in the old days i mean you know a good year would be a year where not that many people died of uh hunger uh you know plague not that many people froze to death and not that many people were killed by the neighboring tribe back in the days that if it was like hey we only lost five percent last year that was great you know now now now those things are really uh you know not not concerns anywhere near they would like level of what they would be in the past what did coda do to the freedom uh to freedom in our society well i think uh freedom took what was severely restricted uh with with kobet do you think it's a long-term effect do you think we are going back to old norms well the jury's out on that front you know are you worried yeah i think that i think i think we should roll back uh government power uh that was massively increased in the covert times um you know i think we're at the this point um the tail end of it or it's no longer you know a major concern and so we need to actively roll back the powers of government that were created during uh kobet you once said on mars uh if there's human life there should be direct democracy yes i think direct democracy is less susceptible to corruption than representative democracy um i mean the other recommendations that i'd like to like in any laws need to be short enough that everyone can read them as well um and and there should be some uh uh it should be easier to get rid of a law than make one do you see any positive effects in the covet pandemic i think there are many many sublinings um the uh advancement of uh synthetic rna was accelerated significantly because of covid and it's going to help with cancer allergies bacterial diseases yeah yes i mean synthetic rna is revolutionary medicine that most people are not aware of just how much of a revolution that is i would say this is like medicine going from analog to digital and and that could be the big accelerator here uh like uh during the plague which also was an accelerator of progress in society and medical progress big times um yes uh it's actually interesting you know english was was suppressed in england for quite a long time because william the conqueror was uh norman french i mean so it wasn't even french french it was like a different version of french yeah but that was the official language and the courts were only in french for hundreds of years in england if you wanted to go to court you had to you have to either be able to speak norman french or hire someone who could um or and and then actually the play got so bad that so many lawyers died in the play that they didn't have enough people who could speak french uh for the court so they said okay we have to have the courts in english because there aren't enough people alive who can speak nor in french so indirectly the plague was a trigger of democratization of society i mean yeah i mean it was it it actually did uh i think for society as a whole improve things at least at least based on my observation of things in england uh the uh people were actually able to speak english in courts uh because they had no other choice um and and a lot of other things were improved um there was a labor shortage uh because of the plague and so uh that that gave put a lot more power in the hands of laborers um so and and give them more freedom of action um so elon i think we have to come to an end but just a couple of very brief questions what is your biggest fear well i think there's you have to say like what are the existential threats that humanity faces um we spent a lot of time talking about the birth rate thing um that that might be the biggest single threat to the future of human civilization then there's um you know artificial intelligence gone wrong is a big concern um i think religious extremism is a concern you know what is your biggest hope my biggest hope is that humanity creates a self-sustaining city on mars you said that you cannot be and don't want to be alone i very much share that feeling yeah where does it come from i think it's just a natural human reaction i mean most people a lot of people are happy if they are alone i don't i really that's uh i think most people are not happy being alone um would you are you do you feel lonely i mean there are times when i feel lonely yes but i mean i think it's it's pretty basic like if i'm say working on this starship rocket uh down at you know south texas and and i'm just staying in my little house by myself especially if i forget my dog you know if my dog is not with me then um then i feel quite lonely because i'm just in a little house by myself with not even a dog last question you have once said um if i'm not in love i cannot be happy are you happy at the moment i think there's degrees of love um but certainly for want to be um we're fully happy i think you have to be happy and work and happy in love um so i um i'm medium happy there are degrees of happiness can love for projects for work compensate love among people i think love of work in my experience could it best make one halfway happy perhaps that's your biggest hope to be really in love i have been in the past i try to be as literal as possible uh i i would be happy if humanity has a self-sustaining city on mars because then the probable lifespan of humanity is much greater you know i think we really just got this you know consciousness like this little candle of consciousness like a small light in the void and we don't want that small candle in a vast darkness to be put out thank you very much elon for that conversation all right thank you you

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Published: Fri Apr 15 2022

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[u/comoestasmiyamo]

It does seem a waste to shut functioning nuclear. Unless you have an excess of genuine renewables.

You still have to deal with the radioactive waste and the site is useless for decades. Am I right that Germany replaced atom power with coal power?

If you have it, use it. Just don’t build more because there are better, cleaner, cheaper, faster options now.

Do not let perfect be the enemy of good.

[u/comoestasmiyamo]

What is the book Elon names please? I can not make it out.

[u/interbingung]

You think that madness ? Imagine government shutting down the whole city.