EFAP Movies #20: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice with Capital-O Opinions and Southpaw

so this is number four in the dc eu world of tismich rhythms for us anyway we did one day for wonder woman man of steel now bvs this is um technically the second one but we are doing it in as the fourth who knows what will be the fifth this one is i would say more well known to be the worst or one of the worst right is justice league is considered the worst this is like second running though the perspective has now changed a lot of people now i think this is like a masterpiece so uh well yeah so it's a nice mixed bag i think everyone agrees the theatrical version is garbage and that's the one i saw yeah that's the only one i've seen there was loads of problems with it i'm curious how many will be sold because i already know about a couple that get solved in this version apparently but the film itself yeah i guess the less said about it the better in terms of like the people here who haven't seen who hasn't seen it here by the way am i the only one here who's seen the ultimate cat yeah i think you are well i'm sorry you're completely bl brand new on bvs right i've never seen any iteration of batman vs superman no oh my god are you not like sorry you so bad of steel right that superman is in a world with a batman and that batman is is coming for blood in this movie are you excited i'm very excited i'm the most dude are you excited to see you still say it right do as little as you can for commentary and criticism in terms of spoilers because rags hasn't actually seen this and i i am i'm invested in the idea that he might be surprised by some things okay yeah there are there will be some things there yes this is quite a movie they they paid like what was it 200 220 million went on this it was very expensive very very this was a event movie i remember but it didn't look like much money is civil war no because civil war's good this one well this is triggered this one was not as successful as they thought it would be like that stuff okay obviously 250 million not including uh marketing i just realized i actually have to be careful because there are [ __ ] tons of incredibly passionate fans okay so i didn't i didn't actually mean that because it was better it made more money in the like i'm kidding okay no civil war it just is better yeah like civil war would have made the money um to make more money all of the stuff that i've seen so far wonder woman wonder woman 84 and man of steel they're terrible guys they're horrifically bad i have no idea why you think they're good well nothing's good you're wrong you see people have been demanding a zack snyder cut of justice league because the 2017 version was so terrible and all they have to go off of zack snyder's quality handling of the dc characters has been man of steel in this movie so maybe rags this movie will actually redeem zack snyder a little bit in your eyes maybe he just does so well we can go wow i can actually imagine why people would say that we need to see the snyder cut of justice league in spite of how bad man of steel was batman v superman was so good that of course people would want to see zack snyder's vision fully realized and i want to say that's a good joke i want to say that this is my incoming hot prediction uh i think that initially this would have been one of the worst in terms of what i saw coming but man of steel and wonder woman was so much worse than i remember that i think this is going to be better than them in my personal perspective on the rankings i think i could see that happening but when we consider this has to be a sequel to those films as in the character like so superman being a dower little [ __ ] is actually going to be consistent now it's not going to be like that won't present it won't be as shocking i know this film tries to take some account for the collateral damage he saved us i know it's going to be funny still but you get on it i don't think it's going to have the severe world building problems that man of steel and bvs had sorry and even though the reality is that this movie does not give you a sense of place at all gotham and metropolis don't feel like places right it's not very interesting places we'll get to it i think it'll be bad i think it won't quite be as catastrophic as the other two that's that's what i that's my prediction still three [ __ ] hours yes it's a longman uh the theatrical is i want to say two and a half hours or something i guess um i believe it was like two hours and 16 minutes around that point the big controversialism with the justice league is that it was mandated to be at the very most two hours and so loads got cut out that's why everyone's excited for the snyder cut because i think you know without having seen it i'm pretty sure this is better than the theatrical cut of bvs i'm pretty that's just that's what i've heard from everybody i'm willing to say that for the sake of this argument generally that's the case with yeah extended cuts and such so people have some reason to to have some excitement for snyder's version of justly sure if you cut out like 30 minutes of a given movie then you might be missing some important context for certain scenes and payoffs but as someone that's watched this movie doesn't improve a whole lot well well um i don't think there's anything else to really say because the you know you're gonna get all the preamble you need from the movie so this is the second one and it's like major eventisms now so just remember everything from man of steel well you know that's all you need maybe pieces of other movies who knows anyway is everyone ready on zero yeah yeah three two no no i i didn't i'm not i'm not ready oh warner brothers made this one oh it's a leaf at least my favorite character this is a very contemplative movie i will say you know it's going to be very somber very serious it deserves your respect oh it's not trying very hard you sort of just gave up yeah that's a young jeremy irons too because jeremy hines is like in his late 50s or 60s as alfred right so that means at this point he would have been in his thirties maybe you could chase a child with your thirty [ __ ] lazy ass happy family i hope nothing bad happens to him i'm so happy now if you're unfamiliar with this you're about to see batman's origin does anyone here know batman's origin no i have not they have never they've never shown batman's origin he's batman he's the one with like he flies around hey you guys rex what was that guys this is my new gun check it out you're the gun guy you got to tell us what make and model it is that's the 1911 of some kind how long did it take him to make a 1912. was it to in 1911 oh see that was your first mistake trying to punch a guy with a gun yeah so your mistake was he was pointing a gun at you and you tried to punch him so that was your first yeah i said that already what the [ __ ] rips it how did you get that's a yeah i mean well it's the visual we got to get them pissed i'm assuming in the original version of the comic the pills drop around or something because everyone does the pills or at least i remember everyone doing the pills maybe i'm wrong he was really happy with that shot oh yeah it looked pretty neat i guess yeah it did but like it's weird that he would loop a necklace around the gun and then shoot something really weird yeah and i guess that kid is fine after a fall that high well i mean uh but uh he hey at least rob them is it yeah he didn't think anything what was that what was the whole point listen oh remember that i mean that is a bit that like zack snyder was sitting in a room and he's like wait batman's mom is martha and superman's mother's martha hmm what can i do with this i mean is it is it that much of a bigger fall than the one that he takes and batman begins that's just what about himself oh yeah why would that even matter i mean i don't know well i mean people say that batman begins is great right is that the next south pole hot take batman begins as poopy the bats have accepted me as one of their own i will become what uh wait what yeah i'm assuming dream is no no this version of batman can fly neat because he's in a coma after hitting his head on that fault they're creating a vortex inside of that tunnel you know you got all of that radioactive he's like were you bit by the bad he's like no it just was just you wouldn't believe it the bats gave me the power of flight definitely getting more of the jeeba's vibes even with bats he flies but very erratically like an actual bat imagine this is his back speed so what can you do after you got that but by a radioactive bat well i can rise very very slowly into the air mankind is introduced to the zoo why would you even why do we need the text there i think didn't i say when we were watching amanda steele like this film is probably going to have bloat that's probably already examples we've already had loads of slo-mo and stuff like that it's just irrelevant but hey yeah we don't really need this entire sequence at all or at least it doesn't disagree critical but like well i mean like does it have to be this long though so he's trying to get his oh my god there's so many people why haven't they left yet well i guess that's technically tied to the first one everybody didn't evacuate for no reason it's like well i guess yeah um i'm curious though he's got batman isms at this point right he doesn't become batman because of this batman why did he fly as bruce into and then get to a car as bru you know like instead of using the bat like there's no time okay just feels like he'd have more um options as batman to save people than bruce yeah definitely i would imagine he won't but he arrived by helicopter maybe he was already in a helicopter maybe maybe he was uh he wasn't anywhere close to gotham and yeah but i would just get the helicopter to his jet and then he can get there fast and look how much he's he's driving throughout the city like he's already lost [ __ ] tons of time yeah but matt like how how uh how close is gotham to metropolis exactly yeah they're like i know that that's very good thanks for spoiling it god damn it rags hasn't seen this movie i didn't i wouldn't even listen to him so i gotta be honest with you guys like i would be getting the [ __ ] out of here yeah i'd be like i saw the black hole [Music] cool guys don't look at explosions move away no wait you idiot get out this guy oh my goodness oh damn so batman's friend was in the building that they laser apart why wasn't why didn't he get out with the rest of them yeah was he just standing there he wanted a good view it's emotionally effective if it made sense yeah why are you running into that also that [ __ ] is like that [ __ ] is thick right batman's going to get cancer now yeah i'm not i'm not an expert on like building debris but when it's of that scale of course what does it mean well i know that a lot of 911 first responders got very ill very quickly after 9 11. definitely not a man's lungs though there are he has a power he has powerful lungs oh hi wow there's a lot of people here actually that's a shame the kids they're not hurt at all either yeah it feels like we're in a different area now okay i can't put my legs that's because they're chopped off dummy if only you got out of here sooner it's not like there was an emergency event that would have prompted that ouchy wow that's great [Music] oh i can take this guys it's a natural reaction for a person to just freeze like a deer in headlights and you know when it comes to dangerous things it's you know what we're gonna find your mom where is she is that where well luckily i told him to evacuate so she should be fine and luckily if she wasn't stupid she would have evacuated herself anyway oh by the way we should mention this this scene when everyone saw it was like oh this is major compensation for the first movie everybody was sitting there wondering how many civilians got hurt and the film never really addresses it but this film is like you know what grifton had its chance oh have mercy on my soul come on guys [Music] mmm superman you were a dick which is nice oh yeah that is nice it's actually not a terrible start no i think that seems pretty good outside of a couple bits and bobs that could be yeah i'm fine with it yeah i mean outside the part where it's like wayne's employees probably should have been already out of the building everybody should have been but everyone's like weird at least the gloom guys we got shleem for lunch here's a rock damn it marie they're minerals [ __ ] your rocks they have a cloth oh no they put a gloom in there oh my god it's alien [ __ ] oh that was easy man it feels like you you probably want to do that in a lab brother okay yeah yeah yeah i guess he just knows that you have to break it up and go let's go celebrate the kryptos bad luck blood in the sky wind is bad luck oh no coca-cola is good luck oh there she is miss lane jimmy olsen photographer they give jimmy olsen a really interesting arc in this movie though they muller well we don't tend to talk about the source but if you're a fan of superman and by extension jimmy olsen you'll be excited to see that that is jimmy olsen and he's gonna be pretty awesome in this movie i will say he's got a pretty big role you don't look african he's south african okay all right yeah you're there long enough you'll eventually turn black but this guy's new are you a terrorist i mean i would have stopped with hello he was like i don't like that word honestly i'm not a fan but you know kind of what tend to call themselves freedom fighters they don't like to be called terrorists say what you're saying it's just a camera i don't know but you're just exposed no one is different oops okay so question if you were trying to smuggle in a tracker or whatever the [ __ ] that is why would you even why would your camera yeah why would you use the camera at all why why not put it in the heel of your shoe you know yeah like a noob how about shove it up your own ass literally yes jimmy olsen is with the cia jimmy olsen well all right so olsen so like if you shoot the cia guys right you're a [ __ ] python we've lost our asset on the ground repeat we have lost our assets blatant trackery thing after that yeah of course now they're gonna like blow you up you just killed you the guy duh what an idiot maybe they were they're arrogant rags okay that's but i'm both unless that's some sort of big themey thing there are a lot of given doubt maybe it's the oh no that guy looks so genuine when he turns around like oh no please we just had a beard last night together with a really nice conversation i'm not really in the middle of the comp oh so they had like guys embedded in the thing i guess yeah but why was the guy who was embedded be the one who found the tracker and called wow the eyes on that one floor yeah they're reacting very slowly to all the gunfire was there someone in that tank i don't know it'll [ __ ] up the controls if there isn't maybe maybe disabling it or killing someone here rip those together said quickly he's coming so they know because they know okay there's some harsh lingerie that's just rude you know i will say i like the soundtracks in most of these movies soundtrack's great but it's handy so you know naturally hand zimmer and junkie xl yeah really good combo is superman gonna fly in and stop the missile well what am i doing in africa i would say lois has some incredible hahaha i've never seen this one before also um i don't know why you're smiling there are bullets everywhere pal if ever lois's life is threatened don't don't be too concerned he'll get it really fingers on the trigger for starters oh yeah well yeah that'll do it dead yep i don't think he has any problem with killing people i feel like that there were ways for superman to take out that guy without killing him though [ __ ] yes throughout every single all of it yes i don't even know that he has a problem with killing people he had a problem killing the last kryptonian but does he have an issue with taking lives i don't know did man of steel i mean well once he had it once he got a taste for death you know i don't think we have enough cancer i don't even know what the reference would be yeah i don't know what his values are it's sad about saving people they killed my terrorist husband they killed my terrorist husband okay they burned so i'm pretty sure you kind of get what they're going for here no the logic is that the terrorists shot these people and burn them to make it look like superman did it but like there are bullets wait really sure if the remain actually never guessed that are you sure that's the actual reason i'm pretty sure how could anyone ever fall for that i'm also pretty sure that his heat vision doesn't actually like set people on fire it's like it cuts them in half i'm pretty sure this woman's saying he did it he came down then came fire the world has been so caught up with what superman can do that no one has asked what he should do you think that there would be some smartphone footage like i don't know what shows up in the box they think superman is responsible that's so stupid that is there were a few important things right so you remember how that book got shot like that's the proof that he didn't do it right because there's a bullet in it or something well so there's all the not evidence yeah lois lane can testify i know but i guess they don't care then why would they have sent her that's also just not how his lasers work bullets terrible i know i know do we ever find out how superman knew to be there to save it by the way was that just um superman just knows these things i guess okay if only we had superman here to break up this football fight one punch [ __ ] kills them all things get ugly in the city tonight i can't wait to see what happens well that's the thing it's time to introduce our third hero i guess because you're familiar with wonder woman from her movies so now it's time for the next one you see the bats that might give you a clue the bats came out of the chimney whenever he goes on a mission he keeps a briefcase full of bats and he releases them during the fight you has given us wunder rapists catastrophic collateral damage man and now whatever they're going to do with batman that he leaves batarangs behind man which is unacceptable yeah we we caught it's so dark it is pretty long yeah i'm tempted to turn my lights off here it's pretty rude to refer to him as hit but all right well they don't know what gender he goes by it's a bat person it's bat and bot there is a devil you're really subversive if the cop was like is it batman i guess the cops didn't clear the house is it is it batman because of the batarang we saw walking in yes batman's well known at this point right yeah like how would the police not be aware of him especially in [ __ ] gotham and also as we later know commissioner gordon precisely yeah like we have the batteries and he knows about it if the bat signal's up too that i don't know it's funny because they're trying to make a horror scene here almost but i know that it's batman so it's tough so well it's a bit of a a bit of a conflict for you right because of everything we know about batman we're like wait why are we doing horror yeah he's been around for like 20 years this is like the kind of scene that only works in a movie where he's like his first year yeah batman's first night or something yeah definitely that could be a pretty effective as well that could be really cool but given the context this doesn't work because he's been around for 20 years there's the bat signal they've got commissioner gordon and you get this funny shot how do you see him look at him how do you don't see that why why would you shoot him why would you shoot him that's batman batman is spider-man now well can he crawl on the walls wow i agree with that guy well that was lucky i never saw him before he i didn't oh he's really chill he just almost shot me wait so he's aware of who batman is he's shot and he doesn't realize that he's a like an ally to the cops well wow yeah depends how long he's been a bit of a i don't know i can i can't believe that there's cops who are like [ __ ] batman you know why didn't batman just leave in the first place because we needed our scary batman shot sorry but i i hate to be the one that says because he's batman but he's literally batman disappearing like very quietly and quickly is kind of his thing he could have crawled along the wall oh no my bloody shirt it was in here well she said so far i'm rooting for neither of them psychopath batman versus uh apathetic superman i'll take that man yeah i told you wait so she said can you not read that ever wait so this is like the key to proving his innocence this is the proof yeah one bullet as though there isn't a bunch of bullets that's not true this is really good oh i know i know it's ridiculous is that seriously because i've forgotten hey i was gonna cook surprise you i will say it's really nice to see these two back together their relationship was like the foundation of man of steel oh yeah so well flushed out and developed and everything it's certainly not the stereotype the two hot people get together because they do the woman i love listen okay clark and lois are together in the comics and that's why this is good all right we need to have clark and lewis together because that's how it is in comics you're saying what i'm saying i want to understand what happened so this are we to believe that this is like right after the the africa incident never ends soon like this is their first time talking since then uh possibly but like there was a hearing i think when you get like we started dating superman like maybe they did talk about it and she's like she's just like oh it'll be great and then the thing happens she's like it's not that great actually i changed my mind doesn't it normally take a while for like things to take place between the actual incident itself and then like a witness coming to the capitol and testifying that superman was there and totally killed her whole village no why would you do that take ages to clean it up [Laughter] you might do water damage sister dude she's just like look i'll i'll get out of the room in that tub for me um i sure do love tub kisses what up they had to remind us of that because it didn't exist in the other world how to make the best character of the movie comes to us all master wayne even you got too old to die young and not for lack of train jeremy i am he's one of those actors so i can join him no matter what and everything oh yeah definitely i like him with alfred a lot snarky alfred is pretty good yeah can i as if he's russian contracts all over the world but he's based out of the port of gotham weapons human trafficking you don't even know if he exists it could be a phantasm one that wants to bring a dirty bomb into gotham ah high stakes right new rules we're criminals alfred we've always been criminals nothing's changed oh yes it has everything's changed i thought that the branding had been going on for a while because there's a whole prison thing with it right yeah yes like apparently alfred's been oblivious to this for a while that's how it starts the fever the rage the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel trailer line true it's not a bad line yeah no that's fine oh oh no the real best character of the movie oh holy hi you're right who do you think the head is i can tell that it's the villain yeah [Laughter] one of my rebuilt metropolis crews found it little souvenir from the kryptonian world engine is that a jolly rancher also it's going to be impossible to listen to here without picturing mrs incredible the fragment is of a radioactive xenomineral when we expose general zod to the mineral wait they were just allowed to do that profound biodegradation decaying kryptonian cells like included i would have thought they might have even buried him you know what i mean not buried him literally but buried him like secret wise like oh there's no alien body shut up he's like an extra terrestrial so i imagine they would want to study him but like how come these guys are allowed to do it yeah yeah i guess you can sort of hand wave it away they have access to the kryptonite so i imagine well that's technically everyone does because it landed in loads of different places yeah like it was the crashed ships that they've been getting kryptonite from little dceu equivalent of the vulture running around it's like a guy that was running a scavenging crew what's your wish list all the jolly ranchers make them blue done he's got himself access to the crashed ship i just all right i guess built a plastic shell around it like he gets access because he's proven that he's got a material that he can synthesize into something that can threaten superman right yeah yeah i just okay i guess there's some form of a through line there i don't know yeah he's you think they'd send people with him yeah like it certainly wouldn't allow him to go in alone good soundtrack yeah i like it i have a lot of choir in this film from what i remember i like choir i do too shut up this looks bigger on the inside i was about to say the same thing you went inside spotty surely he can't have zod's body there's no way they're going to give you assad's body that's like one of the most incredible biological finds in our entire history why would okay it's cherry even touching it why why would he open his mouth with that that's weird yeah you have corona oh that was its own scene they didn't need it yeah they didn't they could have gotten why they literally could have done that why not was that was that in the theatrical version i think it was because i know that it was to look him in his eye and ask him how he decides which lives count and which ones to look but he was holding a gun to her head i was just gonna say what she just said is something i would like to ask this this universe is superman actually the implication was the a local village got like [ __ ] up after lois was saved by him so he could have helped them is that he could have helped maybe yeah oh it's the legs guy all right so if he's going to present memorial facility people that died in like metropolis here and they have a statue of superman who is responsible for that that's well i think okay look yeah like he still stopped the enemy force he did a really bad he didn't save the earth yeah he did a bad job at saving here but he didn't see yeah he didn't he didn't take him away from metropolis or at least well he did in space and then they went immediately right back down so like i i just want to know these guys wow you are strong why are you doing this i don't believe you can hold on no i don't either it's clear he's gonna wire um so this is why i'm sorry i'm doing it boys civil war is really good because the lady who talks to iron man in the beginning you had one job you know what he's doing she makes it clear where the issue lies so i wouldn't mind knowing from this guy's perspective is he just mad that he doesn't have his legs anymore no he had a picture of his family laid down there the family they don't have their legs well but again i need to know if he does he just blames superman because like he was around when it happened did it or because what i mean like kind of did it but not really as much as zod did because remember uh ultron was created by tony that's why it gets such a such an impact it's a hate crime hate crime hate crime it's what why is this in the news well they hated it end of love affair with man in the sky question mark i know that this is just my perspective but i really hate the anger they've taken about making superman a godlike figure when the whole idea is that clark ken is just a regular guy um yeah i don't like it either i i really personally do look there's an lgbt hubble back there it would totally be people worshipping him as a god sure but i just get really frustrated that throughout this whole film the through line is god god god devil's god that's really annoying i do remember that yeah that's heavy in this one as well i remember how on crazy on the nose all the the christian imagery wasn't the last one yeah it was obnoxious holy [ __ ] we're almost finished worse than this one not much has happened for 40 minutes i'm not a cop i'm a reporter oh it's even worse only people scared him people who got reason to be scared of who well there's a new kind of meaning like a man that he hasn't heard about yeah how would he not if he's a reporter you're a reporter there's a dude running around branding people with a bat that's a pretty crazy headline also he's been doing this for 20 years like clark rushing to know about batman um if there was a vigilante in germany running around branding people with a giant nazi symbol oh don't tell them um everyone would [ __ ] know about it it'd be like this huge thing why would that be on your screen that seems really dumb i was supposed to say i was honestly like you could have just took the phone away the camera angles were enough to tell us that um it was what he was doing this bat vigilante has been consistently targeting the port and the adjacent projects and tenements and as far as i can tell the cops are actually helping him why aren't we covering this people don't buy people apparently people like people in the tropics just don't know about the batman i would argue it's the most interesting story they have like surely in the nolan trilogy um batman's like people knowing about batman wouldn't just be limited to gotham yeah absolutely running around in a bat you know i just said like this if there's a psycho killer branding people with a [ __ ] nazi symbol in germany we're all gonna know about that why does he not why is he acting like this doesn't mean anything yeah i don't sorry i didn't mean to equivocate the bat symbol with the nazis he's like by the way like there's this internationally known incident i found this thing there that shouldn't be there and it's a really big deal he's like no match my guy's in the crime lab never seen one before it's called a bullet you shoot people with them recovered from the scene of the firefight in the desert not sold anywhere commercially in the world even black market so no talk about love affair with birds superman i mean just the idea of like this really muscular dude in a cape and a cow with bat ears running around beating people up and not getting himself killed that would be news everywhere dude imagine the testimony from that cop he's like this hideous creature crawled along the ceiling i shot him several times my gun which wouldn't die you'd still be like that you'd be like oh my god that's something oh [ __ ] that's weird was he on pcp was he was he was he a bat person did he inhale the angel death it's also really weird though because what is this he's always on the street was the only hydra saliva my dad always said that kentucky mash was the secret to health was that it he died [Laughter] very early i kept it just this just like the only thing he ever said he had a problem maybe one day dad will come back if i just keep everything the same engorge our faces and chocolate-covered garbage maybe one day dad will come back if i just keep everything the same it's a weird thing to say out loud yeah well the sign of good dialogue is when characters overtly state reasons they do things can i call you jew you can call me whatever you like okay [ __ ] take a bucket of piss and call it granny's peach tea take a weapon of imagination remember that long term you don't think dad would mind to do if i changed just one thing in this room that should be upside down now we know better now don't we the devils don't come from hell beneath us no no they come from the sky but then that means angels come from underground that sounds like a trailer thing but like could you explain well aliens are gonna beat us up and why does she not trust him anymore she trusted him enough to get him like access to the body like 50 minutes alone with zod's body for some reason no wasn't that the the guy's calling i guess so she's but i thought she trusted him well she seems to not she seems to have clued on to what he's probably looking to do because she was the one who needs 1991 1981 so that means three years later when max lord was uh granting everyone's witches little bruce wayne wished for his parents back and he had to renounce his wish oh my lewd oh my goodness there's really runny tar in there could this be another dream like the back puddle but like why touch it yeah even in a dream i wouldn't touch it in a dream i'd be like that's gross oh my goodness it's batman oh no no it's man bat dad i've been vampire my dad turned into a zombie bat bruce did you have the zombie bat dream thinking about bats there's a lot of drinking in this movie how else do you deal with everything in this universe do you think lex luthor is the white portuguese well bruce wayne can't break into lex luthor's house bruce wayne won't have to he's been invited oh neat oh that's convenient neat yeah boys rich i guess the convenience element is he needs to get into the house and lex is doing something that having a party allows for invites oh it's night bat jokes on you batman so that is jared leto's joker that killed robin then yeah uh yeah some people have theorized that jared leto's joker is jason todd oh ooh why do we need that we need to see the badass look at it look at it we want all of you to look at it but he's such an unnecessary and gratuitous shot well yeah so i would in sort of if zach were here i'd be like when we're on the cutting we're in the cutting room i'd be like do we need the um the taking off the blanket from the car the cover and do we need the shower shot do we need no listen if it doesn't happen on screen it doesn't happen which means if we don't show bruce wayne showering he never showers who's that bruce wayne how the [ __ ] do you not know who bruce wayne is you're a shitty journalist it's like not knowing who elon musk is yeah like bruce oh no it's you [Laughter] know remember that was her first appearance yep this is from the greek twenty-five keep an eye on her she might slip something in people's drinks she might slip an emotion interacting you know you know what i wouldn't want to do that at this point she's so funny corridor in the basement go down the stairs hey look they account for a superman having super hearing wait is she annoyed because she's like that's not what happened i'll tell you the real truth and she tells like four different stories that all don't make sense so you're getting the lore wrong that tall skinny asian woman that's supposed to be mercy graves right i think so yeah interesting how like she don't give her [ __ ] anything to do in these movies i'm sorry how are you in here yeah dude like i know you're explaining it makes it worse let's make it worse though because everyone's like oh my god got security i'm so overrated oh i just thought the bathroom was down here i must have at last martini was uh two too many that was your excuse that was the shittiest lie ever also wait he's trying to play as drunk you arrived like five minutes ago oh you're just gonna leave him don't leave him you can stay in the server room mr wayne why is the server room a staircase away from like the main party it seems so strange yeah it looks like it's showcased as well with like the whole like check out our suit the glass titles and everything the bitter sweet pain among men the woman's face because because that is paradoxical and um stop it i hate you know arguing from that patient but this is a just really shitty lex luthor in general i'm afraid we already have a window washer the red capes are coming it's not lex at all from what i know about well i don't know what you thought you heard out there but i know what you can prove and it's nothing and knowledge is power and i am no it's just a shitty villain in general you can't take him seriously yeah i own metropolis my technology built it my will keeps it going and nearly two-thirds of its people work for me whether they know it or not even you have to admit it's a model of efficiency um no what am i i suppose i say oh look who's look oh what's your position the bat vigilante and god civil liberties are being trampled on in your city good people living in fear don't believe everything you hear isn't you destroy yourself he thinks he's above the law so do you plan on criticizing those who think they're above the laws a little hypocritical considering every time your hero saves a cat out of a tree you're at a puff peace editorial about an alien that's not above the law though if you wanted to save the count of a tree that seems pretty chill i love it in movies when people trail someone like right behind them well he's [ __ ] now unless there's something on tv what the [ __ ] you'd really oh no there's a fire somewhere you just let you followed him and he's right back here does superman not care about this okay why would why would you even why would you want to him because i was actually gonna compliment the discussion between batman and superman like wasn't too bad but now i'm just frustrated stupid things why would she want him to know she stole it and why would superman give up following the batman he's chasing like yeah okay someone's stuck in a flaming building that okay but his priorities are all over the place it's so this is something i kind of wanted to draw wonder woman is actually kind of like cool and mysterious in that scene but we know she he allowed one person in a flaming building to distract him from the mission of like stopping this vigilante that he considers worth stopping there's not a time on earth that someone isn't in trouble you know yeah so i wonder how he reconciles that of course i don't want to be too mean that's precisely what he was asked by that woman right like how do you decide which lives are worth saving so was it literally just because he was aware of this one in which case if that was superman's deal would he not work with the government and be like tell me about all of the people who need saving and i will go nuts man this is really subtle oh my god it's like the other movie when he was surrounded by skulls except they're all alive and they're working he's still like is surrounded by skulls i guess i feel like that story would be pretty cool like he's saving people constantly and it has like a huge mental toll on him because like if he can't if he doesn't function at full capacity then he's like a bad person that sort of thing he's like dragging the ship that's completely on its side well as long as the people inside know that and they just left our interventions how he was waiting he just like knew his superpowers he knew that also it's very lucky that thing didn't just [ __ ] split and you know break under him but how did he know this would happen did he hear it sense of priority in the universe hey it's black science guy wow that's really good universe yeah the whole building is flooded but they still had a kind of paint up here hey they grabbed it on the way up i like that you're showing him save people that's a plus i'm not a fan of how once again he's super apathetic about it but i guess that's consistent with the previous movie then there's like wait does he do this a lot is this like a constant job like why is he just floating up there like why isn't he just getting down to business that's what i mean about the apathy thing he's like well guess i'll save these people too like so does he only say the people that have the giant uh superman logo painted on their roofs he goes for them and he's like you guys need to paint something up i'll be over there then like he doesn't care about collateral damage and saving certain people's lives sometimes but now he does i i have to ask why are they painting the big superman logo rather than just a standard sos we'll just help yeah well yes this could be the superman logos and just an o in the middle just discover both your bases maybe the superman logo was already there they just they wanted to paint that up there before the flood as like hey we believe in hope how come dad never left kansas he let him die he stayed with him he probably left kansas depending on where the tornado took him yeah not sure i can talk right now honey i'm cooking your meal for your father oh wait he's dead yeah oh wait i'm after all whoopsie only there was something that some super powered individual this is this is a new scene could be darpa black box maybe they gave them out to the rebels to test in theater using live soldiers as guinea pigs that's what testing is such a [ __ ] prediction and this is what makes you such a good reporter stuff like this still shocks you wait why would that make you a good journalist they tested bullets on people like yeah well if it's shocking right technology wouldn't they have found this out already they collect surely they would have like did they just ignore all the bullets in the scene of the crime i mean i don't know who is he wait so when he brands criminals they end up dead by like why would criminals kill the criminals yeah i was trying to figure out why that's why yeah why would they work for batman why would a kid like surely they would hate batman yeah surely the brand would be like a mark of honor almost wait why he brands people that are like human traffickers and rapists and like you know it's basically a means of signaling hey these are like the on the bottom of the food chain i think but like okay why would criminals well they actually explain this don't worry the building from uh oh it's professor x what is that why did you okay what the [ __ ] do you want to help you step funny that's mean ableism jokes stop it why would you i used to not be able to do that my wife walked out on me i can't even piss standing up you can't do anything standing up wait so he's mad that he lost his legs she's like he's sitting down every day it's really not that bad placing his picture of his of his wife and daughter down i could have sworn that it was like maybe the daughter died maybe he's yeah maybe his daughter's eyes his wife left and he can't piss [Music] that russian guy did he just tell one of the inmates to kill this guy why is it because he talked make batman look bad maybe i think so yes yeah i think that's why this is happening okay that makes more sense although but then why is that batman who knows that people get killed he yeah still hate your culture well but he can't do anything about this right like this we'll stop branding people okay yeah yeah the brandy people it will get them killed then why is he still branding people yeah that does make the question of like you may as well just kill yourself if you're just gonna like allow it like if you know there's a course is the us providing experimental military arms to rebels in africa why would i [ __ ] tell you you belong in here here's the truth a reporter got greedy for a scoop and went where she shouldn't have superman acted like some rogue combatant to rescue her and people died don't invent a conspiracy the fact that you think superman did this is [ __ ] nuts you'll marshall manhunter as well so now now i'm super wondering why you would be so i lost you my copy okay can you give me like a character who's martian man hunter i have no [ __ ] idea nothing like an alien shape-shifter from mars who could fly and do he's part of the well he was part of the justice league like he can also become implacable phasing through walls you can walk through walls so could you if it was 1938 but it's not 1938 wpa ain't higher and no more apples don't cost a nickel not in here not out there you drop this thing is that somebody cares about is that his meme just stop doing the right thing stop doing the stories that are interesting about the bat vigilante and the neighboring city talk about baseball okay that's the stuff that people will want to read about is he thinks it's too on the nose what is going on back here guys come on let's go [ __ ] losers but even in even in fictional universes he's not funny i think jon stewart i think john 2 is funny i think john's pretty funny too he's way better than trevor noah oh everyone is wonder so now we're in museum with wonder woman why i have a song on my ipod did i miss something it's the sword of alexander it's the blade that cut the gordian knot you know something that rare you'd think you'd have such better security than this i know i don't know isn't this like incredibly amazing uh no i don't know like i i don't know but on those like getting it's a fake presented and out of this oh okay never mind oh wow yeah i mean i mean it's just a historical artifact i don't like it well it's fake though [ __ ] fake stuff this is shostakovich whoa touching me too i mean she's not really one to talk about me too that must be really uncomfortable that metal digging into your neck no it's i'm sure it's really not being comfortable at all she's used to wearing uncomfortable [ __ ] like in uh wonder woman is beginning with the the tiaras i bet with that dress nine out of ten men let you get away with anything literally right doesn't have to be wearing a dress no oh i don't think you've ever known a woman like me a woman that can't act i didn't steal your drive i borrowed it oh you'll find it in the glove compartment of your car i think that she is actually doing a better job here than she was yeah i think she's doing a lot better here yeah i agree maybe she's better it's the scene it's the scene she's got like a stick no it's not the scene yet it's not yet we're not a uh it's almost the more we learn about their outer about her the the least interesting she gets so wait just to clarify she said she saw everything she looked at everything on that usb right hold on this is probably going to be really important going forward well this scene is mainly the visual we can talk over it that's darkseid's thing it's nightmare the nightmare you yeah look oh it's god of war omega thing but like it's gonna show up [ __ ] yeah doesn't dark side burn that symbol into things or some [ __ ] i don't know yeah i think as well because he has a mega yeah i love this post-apocalyptic school bus this is great the nightmare world spelled with km that is so [ __ ] crazy is there a reason we're seeing like batman's i think crazy is meant to be the original plan for this uh this little arc that we were meant to be going on with justice league right oh so the idea here is we're having a future flash or is this a dream i'm pretty sure this is a dream i think it's a dream surely no no i think like this is i'm pretty sure there's like a reason why this is happening it's a dream but i'm pretty sure it's meant to be something that is like a plausible future almost to spook him into doing stuff well i think we find out uh wants to see that's right yeah we do so this is like he's got like a team of people who are sympathetic they're like his bat army yeah yeah it looks like it they're his allies i would join his bat army i like how it's just the imagery of batman wearing a big trench coat [ __ ] hilarious the rock yeah we got it i just wanted like they just they decided to bring these green light bulbs here as a means of tricking batman why would they need to go that far just pull the gun on him anyway i don't know oh no look it's superman soldiers but they work for superman well they've got superman logos on their arms oh my god are you on team b or oh yes all right i think this is meant to be like injustice sort of thing as well like it's meant to be oh good job guys he was like the main one you had to get shoot him in the mouth this looks like it could be a cool story why didn't i get so close he had a gun oh yeah that guy like trying to oh they're all closer moving in closer and they're not shooting look at this this is this is like it's got a cool factor but everybody closes the distance you know how you fix this you have those allies from the movies no you you have batman's allies still fighting and distracting the other guys oh yeah oh my god who are you people well are those no doors from residents again it's the future who knows who they are well what do you mean like who knows yeah we still know what else how spooky oh god who could be responsible for this oh my god it's so long why do they well i was gonna say again not a lot has happened and we are one god we still got two hours yeah like this wow this is a chunker of a movie dude the snyder cut is gonna be oh god this is the thing that true crazy whenever people have batman captured and they don't take his mask off well that applies to so much stuff not even just batman like mando oh it was that easy to take off where's his war paint under his eyes doesn't look good why no he killed lewis lewis what oh here we go time travel yeah not lewis it's lois you [ __ ] idiots yeah okay so what i got from that was fear superman you were right about him the lowest lane is the key now i want to hear rags's reaction to that rags do you have the faintest idea what's [ __ ] happening right now um not really no so he had a dream in a dream that was being caused by someone traveling through time instead of a message i have mentioned how much i hate time travel none of it if you have to travel through time to deliver a very important message to someone you think you'd like practice it beforehand well and then you'd have it spoken very clearly indirectly instead of as he said he he miscalculated the timing clearly no that's not no no no no no because what he said is very unclear yeah yeah lois lane is the key what do you mean by that do we need to kill it we need to save her is she gonna do something like well what if what if like the time that he thought that he was going to that would have all made sense i don't know i don't see how it couldn't benefit from being more specific in any time yeah maybe yeah yeah yeah i mean you just said like hey you're right about him and he's like yeah i know you're right about him you've always been right about him yeah say for example he bet he's good or bad you could have said he is good or bad not you were right about it we've got some important dialogue here all right we got we got trailer dialogue but you've never been too hot at lying to me the white portuguese isn't carrying a dirty bomb what is it carrying it's a weapon it's a rock they're going to ram it into capable of weakness kryptonian cells the first sample big enough to mean something turned up in the indian ocean three months ago it is now aboard the white portuguese being delivered to lex luthor who i am going to steal it from to keep it out of luther's hand to destroy joe now you're gonna go to war that son of a [ __ ] brought the war to us two years he has the power to wipe out the entire human race and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolutely not today 20 years in gotham alfred we've seen what promises are worth how many good guys are left how many stayed that way okay bruce so should we kill you you could be a threat like this logic is pretty [ __ ] flimsy i'm gonna be honest yeah and it to me it's just like we need to get him to want to fight superman so how do we do it well superman could be evil right yeah you have to show me superman like being evil all you need to say is i should have that weapon just in case just in case that's all you need to say but of course he wants to immediately work on superman so stupid [Music] because it turns instead of having two good guys with two perspectives it's just batman's just the bad guy what else could you really say and he's also stupid enough to believe that superman really killed that village full of people yeah that's that's annoying they took him out of gotham central they moved him to metropolis inside they know you know the mark all over guards don't care that's the judge oh so your your husband was a [ __ ] horrible person what was your husband mixed up in human trafficking trafficker you know what stops him a fist bullets a fist good reason you're talking to me i'm superman i can punch him to death for sure wait so superman is gonna hunt batman down to stop him from letting child molesters and child abductors die well like that's the hill he's gonna die on hold on like because his i guess his logic is that um he believes that like batman maybe causes more problems than good or like that his methodology is really poor but he can't yeah um no i don't know there's so many pieces to this yeah like if you just mean like he's going to die on is a stranger what they want to sell to us is the batman's gone a little bit loony and he's he's a bit more punishery than he is batman right and then superman is like that's inappropriate i'm going to stop you that seems to be and batman simultaneously thinks the alien is dangerous i have to kill him like that's our sort of it's a little wake for both there's lots of pieces hey you guys see batman standing up there the sniper rifle no that's just terry it's harry here we go oh yeah you know what i'm excited i'm excited the bat sniper rifle well twing there you go you got yourself a trekker i remember every detail in this particular action scene that i'm so looking forward to see it again yeah look at this i don't know which one you're talking about because there's multiple that i remember man an hour and 15. yeah there's my choir this whole sequence exists purely to show us the new batmobile you know what i'm okay with that they will help they could be hurt by that well we already know he's super chill with [ __ ] people i think oh well okay oh jesus damn they're so yeah they're [ __ ] up first thing is like you're lucky the grapples hang it onto that thing like it's you're also risking yourself big time if that gets caught on anything it [ __ ] your car up completely but uh i'm sure it'll be worth it for whatever payoff he's gonna do with it why do they stop don't stop god how did you possibly could you well okay that's wow how could you have possibly known that it would have okay whatever it's batman you know you just now see when i first watched this film i'm i'm like man okay wow all right and then this happens here comes batman's response these are the weapons of cowards power weapons are precise and quiet it's so unapologetically like nah that might totally [ __ ] good like it's it's gonna [ __ ] around because it's bad because batmobile is like totally bulletproof so he's not really at any risk there visually this looks like the first transformers movie except people are dying a lot oh no a gotham tank uh oh no filled with explosives oh no not explosive so the driver wasn't actually paying attention to the road wow wow that was wow how about that imagine waking up in the morning seeing that was your boat you'd be like wow oh hey fliers i feel like we watched something recently that we were like why don't they have flares batman has flares batman's got you know you know he's got gadgets oh hey superman what the [ __ ] are you doing here in this exact spot too like why oh okay so remember when the fisherman tackled him that fisherman is more powerful yeah we need we need kryptonite for that guy that's a really strong fisherman superman just let that truck go like he doesn't know why batman was chasing chasing them they had like a guy with a bazooka in the back yeah he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] we'll talk about that in a sec this is probably worth a dialogue though consider this mercy here we go tell me do you plead okay when rich evans repeats this scene to himself and he goes stupid design for an entrance by the way yeah this car was like more [ __ ] you will just totally miss just drown you couldn't have eased people into this new bat lag could you yeah yeah just having blowing up cards full of people man not gonna lie when i first saw that i was very upset so superman right superman is on the prowl for batman he hears explosions i guess looks into it he's like oh my god the batmobile there must be batman i don't care about whatever this situation is i'm going to stop batman we're not going to find out who he is because why would i want to know that also why he's chasing this truck guess when the car fell on it it was a very sticky bat tracker i mean you got real lucky wait he needed to well i guess that he his first plan was to get it when it wasn't you know so what's interesting about this is in the theatrical version i don't think they show any of this and so he and i don't remember saying this yeah like he he's obviously this is going to be how he's able to steal the kryptonite that's not a spoiler don't worry he's gonna get it um it happens off screen in the theatrical version and it's really [ __ ] confusing is this him okay so i thought that lex luthor was already on his radar though so why does he need to fire a tracker onto the truck if he knows that that's what it's like well it could be stored in a secret place yeah so then why doesn't like luther do that well i'll ask you this it'll be really lucky that it doesn't get moved to another area after it's delivered on that truck you know if it would batman be [ __ ] because they wouldn't be using that truck again how do we determine what's good good is a conversation not a unilateral decision so i urge superman seriously elastigirl i can't get her out of my head how far will he take his power she's like a superhero honestly it's weird they haven't shown him being like bad just very negligent yes well like negative in stopping things i don't even know that it's clear that that's the issue you know like they don't make it clear that that is the issue yeah because of metropolis because of something it's very general the fact that batman said like he brought the war to us like wait batman what do you think happened in the first movie because i'm curious what you think happened because i'm willing to believe he could believe a lot of things i'm just really curious what he thinks the events are that clark invited them here let's fight because he killed them all very much in favor of earth you don't know this world what it's human it's humanity why don't you you don't know them [ __ ] it's fine oh we're not even halfway uh oh my goodness i just want more action scenes they're way funnier i mean so far i guess this is the best honestly easily so far yeah i think so far yeah this is definitely more this feels much more like a movie the others feel like a [ __ ] crazy though this is maybe the longest not in time well uh it's competition in wonder woman right we have a lot of time left we'll see how much it is it is quite slow i would say so she sees russian guy outside her apartment and then she decides to stay on the bus and go somewhere else yeah why would uh why would russian guy be after i might just be forgetting oh i think this is extra footage like extended cut stuff it is but why is russian guy after uh i think it's because she was [ __ ] on superman so it doesn't work right there she's messing up oh okay cool somebody wanted to remember but wait how did they know that she was going to pass that this is i can't believe you actually weren't kidding about this like if if any of them had just searched the [ __ ] scene of the crime all this [ __ ] would be it's like they're treating this as hyper secret right now well yeah it's really weird it's bizarre no they've got like this like magnet that like tracks all the bullets and then you know takes all the bullets out but they miss the one bullet apparently i don't know what i'm being sarcastic yeah i don't think he's being sorry i just i just don't know i can't i can't make sure i kind of want them to cut back to that flashback this giant circular thing comes down it absorbs all the balance except for the one yeah i can't pick up a book wake up sheep all right and this this is what war looks like i have nothing oh there are plenty it might be because she's telling the truth now and so is lois so that's why he's here i guess but she didn't tell the truth before he was after her right i don't know like why why it is how it is that he knows that we have to kill her yeah i guess why didn't he why didn't they go after them prior why now like why not wait until after she gives her testimony that's like complete bs and then they kill her right after yeah yes yeah i would have thought that yeah i don't know it's like they intimidate them right now yeah go anywhere you know what mercy you go in and make sure no one takes my seat is she not a valued member of you know i shouldn't say anything greg why hasn't he been getting our checks he is mr winner he gets a check from the victim's fund every month he returns them i am your ghost dude you said your wife what the hell yeah why was this yeah he saved your life why haven't i seen that i'm sorry i'll get to the bottom of it wait that's it i'll get to the bottle how could he not have seen anybody who did see it would be like oh my god mr wade this is kind of crazy they're sending them back with horrible messages oh i accidentally um paused and played for a second if you can all do that as well we'll be back yeah wait for how long literally just one second at any point i i don't know it's too late now uh now i've waited too long no no everybody just has to do it for one second no no i i've already paused okay that's fine we'll reset the second the time bar is so chunky it really is it's a stronker of a time oh here we go yeah that's the diner looking at the tv yeah okay all right wait one twenty seven zero zero right yes yes one one sec one second one second not right yep i don't know not yet not yet not yet yeah no not yet not yet all right i'm at 127 now oh my god we were synced waiting for it to come out so well even when we're out of sync we're still oh my god is anyone not ready i'm i'm good excellent three two one go the last thing we need is delays on this [ __ ] movie we're not halfway through we are already halfway no we're not we haven't made it yet man i wouldn't have survived this last night jesus he's above kind of a blessing in disguise it's funny because i've seen people say like i can watch schneiderka i've seen you know i survived lord the rings like below the rings is good you can't like you know the oldest lie in america senator that power can be innocent power can be innocent good luck apparently it's a lie that power can be innocent that's not one of those lines that makes me think like oh that's a cool line it's more of a huh oh no oh russian guy is right behind the african lady now man i'm gonna pull a house of cards and push her in front of it well yeah i'm guessing so what would have you what would he have done if she wasn't this close to the edge stab him maybe uh here it comes well surely he'll get caught well yeah of all the everyone saw you do that yeah and now everyone is going to find you and they're going to see where you go like literally if if you were in a crowded train station and you saw that everyone would go stop that guy dude i would get the inclination to tackle that that guy has no aliens like oh my forehead no aliens i i doubt that you would stop at tackling you would stomp his face i would be very upset that someone just threw someone onto the track so i would be upset for her because she'd be dead like a citizen's arrest sort of thing well especially if it's like if it's a woman people can be very protective about that especially if it's a russian guy [ __ ] russians yeah they left poor reviews of tlj [Laughter] is he overdressed or underdressed i don't know i think he's just dressed like this is what i wear isn't that another element of like what everyone doesn't like is that his suit is kind of muted i don't i don't mind this his character that's fine actually i think you're right it does suit his dour apathetic [ __ ] existence doesn't it yeah what's that jar there i have saturday a little moonshine to say that [ __ ] why didn't you spot this earlier only my work is she spelling it it is that it is it's what they said earlier take a bucket of piss and call it granny's peach tea so how long have you seen lex luthor been pissing in that jar i don't i just this is such an odd moment that she would have sat down there was a jar of piss on her desk and she was like that's strange and she didn't smell it no one smelled this till now also i would not touch that lid this is what yes i know right man have super smelling he's like why is there pee on your desk ma'am oh [ __ ] now what i do remember is that his thing it's made of lead that's why superman couldn't have seen it okay but does that make sense for the scanners well if the scanners are x-rays then and superman's got x-ray vision well i wouldn't rely on that i don't know if that's how that works i i like i said i'm asking because i don't know how that works now i remember being very confused by this because they immediately know superman didn't do it so i'm not sure what the objective was here also lex killed his like first hand person yeah the lady why did he kill her yeah mercy graves what was the point of jimmy olsen and mercy graves within their first movie you do have everything in place of course lex you don't think i'd let you go out there half cocked what would you do without me let's hope it never comes to that you let your family die how do how do you even think that's true white sorry white now i remem i remember i remember wait do you know why i know why i know with the letters and the checks but maybe i'll wait until wait all the press was behind the barrier she said i'm the press can you let me in okay what i will say is we might have to go we don't have to spoil a little just a little bit because we won't have time to talk about it when this film starts to ramp up because lots of crazy [ __ ] happens um if i remember correctly lex is the one that's sending the creepy messages right and he's trying to rile up batman that still doesn't really explain so was that guy bouncing the checks back or not and if yes yeah surely he that means that lex luthor knows that bruce wayne is batman yeah yeah and how would he know that i mean if he's been going for 20 plus years like i don't know like this if nobody else knows wait how does he know that i don't remember if there was anything to give that away but the more interesting part for me is just all the mechanics with those [ __ ] checks if the guy bounced them back for some reason that didn't get to wayne like they just didn't tell him he's like how did i know about this like oh i guess we'll try and find out i guess we just i don't know do anything and if they don't know you're gonna [ __ ] off if the guy knew he was supposed to be getting checks from wayne then it would have taken a phone call so it's all very weird but then also lex got hold of those checks and started writing weird messages on them to annoy batman i guess wait did you understand like all of us have messages for batman or bruce wayne well it's meant it's meant for tech you know both because for some reason lex knows he's who he is and he wrote those messages to annoy him weird i feel like he'd do more uh i don't know why you blew up the capitol building though that still no i don't i was gonna ask if you knew yeah this will launch like the biggest investigation in the history of investigations right now like i told you before fundament they all know superman didn't do it yeah maybe this film has the worst out of the set for plot because it's not simple at all like the others are is the idea that he's actually framing uh scoop mcnary's character the one on the wheelchair maybe but why to what end um i guess the idea is that because scoop mcnairy was crippled by superman and then became a terrorist okay sorry again we're gonna have to move on to the next thing now so i knew that's gonna happen right so the idea here is that batman has come and gone he's taken the kryptonite when his men arrived they would have told him yo superman was trying to [ __ ] destroy us so uh sorry batman so like the kryptonite is incredibly special too so the only way i can explain this because there's no [ __ ] way that he would have had that work there's no way he would have allowed this to happen unless oh no the basketball is deflated my question is was this on purpose did you want batman to steal this maybe because if you look at his face it doesn't look like it was a person well i mean i think he'd be okay with the idea that batman has kryptonite if he's trying to get them to kill each other i was gonna say like again not trying to not trying to okay why would you leave your calling card that's [ __ ] responsible um but why was like lex is happy about this right yeah like he i can't tell there's no emotions on his [ __ ] face my assumption is lex wants batman to have the weaponry to kill superman so he can drive them to fight each other that seems to be his goal in that case why even have it delivered to lex to fake that he wanted to keep it for himself when he doesn't actually i don't know all this time i've been living my life the way my father saw it shitty belongs for a go thinking i'm here to do good superman was never real what did you just say that i've been living my life thinking i'm hit too good thanks to my dad's like the one that told you to let a bunch of children drown yeah and let him die in a tornado no you do well if the therapist heard that they'd be like that bad is not your father okay yeah that's [ __ ] weird it's like someone down the street is that lois latest apartment oh he's super bad hey hey i don't think that this is her apartment this is her hotel room yeah but they're still in the room yeah this is you see the washington monument unless there's like a washington because he knows where she is all the time ultimate joke is that lois lane up there if you look closely at the washington point you can see spider-man oh my god this little red blinking light you pay close attention you can see a good movie in the background so okay he managed to clip off his [ __ ] zod's fingerprints jesus christ shouldn't death thing just immediately i thought that man of steel showed that you don't necessarily need uh the right fingerprints to activate the things right i don't know look the important part is that he's activating [ __ ] like i just want i guess it's gonna happen first took this where is he right now what ship is this this is this is the solid ship i think it's called like the phantom zero or something why are they letting him go and come in here well this is a part of the deal yeah he was but he's like unsupervised yeah i don't know why it's not super fast yeah that's a little bit different than the one that was trying to destroy metropolis would you like to assume command yes i would very well that's how that works you activate it it's like oh hey you can control everything tonian archive contains knowledge from a hundred thousand different worlds why are you telling me this at all thank goodness why are you teach me i'm gonna teach him about everything [ __ ] that scene man what are you is him getting in there with those stupid fingertip things and then and then taking full control that's going to enact all of the third act so it's just yeah it's major that he could do that but it gets worse so whatever i didn't think sad shift i thought that ship was at like the arctic or something no no it's the ship that crashed into metropolis oh right right right the one in the antarctic or whatever was supposed to be supergirl's one yeah wait was that supergirl ship apparently um it's confirmed in like the comic that goya has got a hand in that apparently supergirl was in that ship and she died oh what girl's dead in the dc just keep killing off superman i don't know by the way this is based on knowledge from uh the editor from man of steel effect movies he's got a little edit in there that shows that that's apparently the truth she's just dead hello editor man here just a slight clarification on my note from last time the man of steel prequel comic does not explicitly show her death but instead shows the ship crash landing after a struggle with the villain of the story before then showing a figure emerging from the ship now this figure could be supergirl or it could be what's his face who gives a [ __ ] if it is super girl it's still reasonable to assume she's dead as that was 18 000 years ago and there have been no stories of a woman with superman's abilities popping up throughout history as far as we know so yeah probably dead and if not that just raises further questions goya you [ __ ] hack why i mean you could do something with that why would you just kill her off i don't know i i guess they knew that they weren't getting many movies so oh this bad os they have logos lex gave them the justice league logos so lex gave her a double w so he knows that her name is wonder what do you name her that was he like well like i think that that actually shows up on her costume right the w is kind of there on the costume was that ever a thing like in her movie like they ever named her wonder woman no they didn't no so lex named her wonder woman lex named a wonder woman canon it's like j jonah jameson naming people in the spiderman universe i love it we're gonna call you han solo you got excited rags oh what was this remember those great characters oh yeah they're great they're playing a theme we're crossing over the worlds are colliding you know i'm gonna say that theme is cool but it doesn't fit one woman at all yeah it's a it's a cool theme yeah she's just it's the idiot so it's hard to you know remember this was before we knew that this was back when she was mysterious to be honest this might be a civil war black panther thing like she's she's she's been she's alright so far yeah yeah oh zod your naked floopy body how did you get again you just asked me because he's allowed to just be in here alone he's allowed to be in your load and has access fully to the ship and his odds body it's [ __ ] amazing and why because he figured out that kryptonite hurts kryptonian bodies okay here this is this is good you remember you remember yeah don't stop i just want ranks to understand for sure so in a pool of goo with zod's deceased body and he poured his own blood on his face which so now wait well i don't even want to let the film say anything rags what do you think would happen if you did this advising action forbidden it has been decreed by the council of krypton that none will ever again give life to a deformity so hateful to sight in memory the desecration without name and where is the council of krypton destroy it sir then proceed very well what okay so are you have tentacles um i just like okay this is like tanking a little bit now like because there's so much about that that makes no sense at all and it enables the finale before you even questioned how the mechanics functioned how did he know how did he know about any of it well because i think that he uh he had the uh oh well the computer i tell yeah the computer he's like tell me everything i think at one point she was like well if you mix your blood with the body of a cartoon and put them in this goo all right that makes total sense though right fyi don't though it's bad leonardo dicaprio found quote a jackpot of bomb making materials inside keeps apartment so they have framingham was it co-conspiracy yes but why i don't know there she sends a scout by the right rags that's metropolis and across that bay has got them they have very close oh wow they're like right next to oh i had no idea yes bruce wayne really could have suited up as batman and gotten into his jet and flown all the way over well oh my god that's like that's like if there was a vigilante in saint paul and people in minneapolis so what i find interesting like a point of praise for the film of course is like right you've seen scenes in garth amanda in metropolis aren't they very distinct in terms of like how they're designed it's pretty cool you can tell in an instant like where you're at sort of thing um no what what was that joel schumacher is you if you wouldn't have told me that these were two different cities right next to each other i would have just been like oh is one of like the east coast ones on the west coast or something what people are going to say is like no but there was like an ace chemicals thing in the background it's like yeah that's okay you could have done better than that again joel [ __ ] schumacher how did the guy in the wheelchair hang up all those superman red things onto the ceiling that's impressive he used a little stretchy arm he was mr fantastic why don't you think you'd be pissed if you were mr fantastic and you lost your legs man it's like a stretch of my dagger still not only of stretchy limbs the inside of the chair was lined with lead you couldn't stop it you couldn't see it wait so is the criticism of superman that he didn't see the bomb coming i think that's why they think he was a co-conspirator because he didn't stop it what the [ __ ] would the benefit be for him why would you assume that no why would he do that it makes him look really crappy hi yeah dad kevin costner i flew all the way up here from the tornado it's robin hood i'm actually alive this tornado threw me all the way out here now we just need to say are you a false ghost he goes no a memory something isn't it i'm in kansas live on a pancake so we come to the mountains all downhill from here down to the floodplain where i'm at the bottom of the world that reaction 12 is basically the audience are we done yet we need to pee i remember one season the water came bad i couldn't have been 12. dad had out the shovels and we went at it all night we worked till i think i fainted but we managed to stop the water we saved the farm your grandma baked me cake said i was a hero did you have this accent before i don't remember him talking like this i don't remember this having an accent either you just have to decide what kind of man you want to grow up to be clark your grandma baked me cake sherry upstream that's not you later that day we found out we blocked the water all right we sent it upstream the whole lang farm washed away while i ate my hero cake their horses were drowning i used to hear him wailing in my sleep did the night very slow and raspy now when i met your mother she gave me faith that there's good in this world what wait the story was the um he accidentally got a bunch of horses drowned right so why why would he why would that make him believe there's nothing but bad in the world that's weird a weird thriller this is a [ __ ] idiot he just lost weight what oh hey ghost more slow-mo it's a long movie man yeah and justice league is going to be an extra if we want justice league we wouldn't even be halfway through dude we would be like five minutes away from the end if it was justice league that's right you're gonna watch it on a weekend though right please i'm older now than my father ever was this may be the only thing i do matters 20 years of fighting criminals amongst nothing criminals pull one up another grows in its place okay batman think that like if i can't stop all criminals it like doesn't matter yeah like i was about to say like why are you suggesting we stop doing that because they keep coming back we cure one disease another one just happens too so [ __ ] you know my father sat me down right here told me what wayne manor was built on first generation made their fortune trading with the french pelts skins they were hunters time to hunt me an alien well back then a lot of people were hunters just saying yeah i mean they didn't really have a choice oh they didn't work in like marketing alfred's like wait are you saying that you're a hunter too is that was that i understand so falls the house of wayne i mean it's been waiting for more evidence seems like there's a story there right how was robin killed what happened to wayne manor you know batfleck make a prequel my son's the [ __ ] most strongest person in the world i have this shitty job why would you do it this way or you're trying to feel like her yeah the way to do it would have been when she's leaving for work and i have a guy grabbing not like the cars it worked right oh so is this the first time we've seen his giant suit oh [ __ ] we're doing it all right here we go so wow i've never seen this before hey remember the title of the movie well so i'm gonna say [ __ ] it i i i wanted to mention it earlier but i didn't i really like batman's voice modifier makes him sound [ __ ] cool as [ __ ] it's so much better than the nolan yeah it's a shame that the movie sucks yeah well so what my point's gonna be is like i don't even mind the way everything looks for this particular moment it's just that everything it's built on and what it is a terrible i think that how does the voice modifier work if he doesn't have a mask over his mouth um yeah there's like a microphone in there it adds like it makes it deeper and it adds like a filter of robotic it just sounds so much better than anything nolan did and all i remember from the nolan ones is that he insisted the christian bale do the stupid voice i don't know why the voice nobody likes the one i actually i like how ben affleck looks as batman like even in the regular bats dude i think it looks great dude i like that he's got you know like dad bod but with super muscle i don't know how yeah he's really physically imposing yeah also did this guy really pose as a floor cleaner just to kidnap him do you think he likes cleated flaws he's like ah [ __ ] it it's a secret so they were waiting for her to walk here and he was buffing the floor and yeah i guess so um obviously they'd know about the superman and lois connection from the beginning again also wouldn't that have been caught on camera [ __ ] it nah in fairness i guess they can't really do much with it other than be like these guys took a these guys are these guys even on this this russian dude's been on loads of cameras at this point yeah somehow he got out of the train station after pushing uh in front of a train in front of everyone i want a blood bomb boss give me guillaume he reminds me of that enemy and a guy in resident evil 5 rags the one that is really annoying and on the cruise ship becomes a huge monster wait i'm sorry let me turn this down what what's that the uh this lax reminds me of the bad guy in resident evil 5 who's on the cruise ship well the ship oh yeah yeah really annoying you're making me look bad i'm a victim of circumcision is he gonna push her off to blur superman here why would you say that why would you say that because it's like what he's gonna do do you know this because you've seen clips no i just like of course this is what's going to happen it's because i've seen movies well i question rags what a silly thing to think would happen considering we don't even know where superman is how would you how would you know this would be because this film doesn't care i think it's ridiculous to suggest that the movie would do something so stupid yeah cause like rags i think you're a silly person to assume something so ridiculous cause like it wouldn't make sense how would superman arrive where do you even know where he is i can imagine he's on the toilet right now oh hi there how though so i heard this you're in here i heard a defensive brand's gonna [ __ ] up lex luthor now by the way uh apparently superman knew that lois was in danger at this point but not his mom so um uh i've heard the defense of this is that superman has a constant like ear out for raised heart beats from lois oh god [ __ ] so first of all yeah not his mum but second i'm here to save you lois he's like no i was just masturbating it's okay i mean it's so [ __ ] and now lois can just say hey lex luthor pushed me off of building police officers uh the problem of absolute virtue i'll take you in without breaking you which is more than you deserve the problem of you on top of something uncanny about the superman's level i'll take you in without breaking you ah cause that's what god is horus apollo jehovah cal-l clark joseph kent see what we call god depends upon our tribe clark joe god is tribal god takes sides the first character from daddy's spirit it's a really half-assed version of jim carrey god is all-powerful he cannot be all good and if he is all good then he cannot be all powerful all right he's powerful enough and neither can you be i don't need to see the fraud you are with their eyes you brushed a woman off a building i don't yeah like i don't know if people were saying that superman is all powerful i'm desperate what is his motivation two years growing but it did not alarm him over actually a little redness i think the idea is he was abused by his by his dad so he's mad that superman you just heard the line there though right where he said yeah i wrote letters to bruce wayne so he knows he's bru he has to the greatest gladiator match in the history of the world god versus man yes superman's going to laser eye batman it'll be done you think i'll fight him for you um yes i do i think you will fight fight for that special lady in your life she's safe on the ground how about you close but i am not talking about lois every boy's special lady is his mother oh [ __ ] i forgot i had a mum [Music] [ __ ] again like if i was being as genuinely like as benefited as possible lex doesn't like the existence of powerful powerful beings is that it i guess it's just like he wants to see what happens really that's it i thought he well but like he's not against batman he wants to kill superman if you kill me martha dies and if you fly away martha also dies but if you kill the bat martha lives why can't you detect him arthur is you have a super hearing there we go i just mean if you can do it for lois you know and now god bends to my will why would he like i just uh why why any of this are waiting at your ship for the world to see the holes in the holy yes the almighty comes clean about how dirty he is when it counts to save martha bring me the head of the bat well then he'll just say yeah they kidnapped my mom so i had to man so like lex is hoping batman will kill him because he has access to kryptonite but what if superman literally lays at his head off well then might superman look bad i guess but he's even though would batman's reputation isn't exactly fantastic right now no i know yeah right oh the music at least yeah music is so good but like i just don't get lex i just don't get them at all and i don't know what it is with the dc eu but they cannot write villains at all which is funny because i remember one of people's complaints was hey the villains are good in dc movies i don't know ares is pretty cool he's pretty cool well yeah we got zod lex luther i guess max but people were saying that before max sorry doesn't remind you vultures [ __ ] because he's an iron man villain isn't he you're holding up you've been holding up an m60 at her for how long i think like 20 pounds that's insane this old lady's dangerous m60 and to remind you guys by the way the early early game marvel villains their problem wasn't that they make no sense at all it was just that they were lame they're not that bright yeah um obadiah didn't make a lot of sense i'll give you that loki did loki was good right he was good pretty good roads gallery i think but we're talking about the comics there not like i like them looking at the television right outside the [ __ ] window we haven't even gotten to the joker of the dc eu yet god there's so much stuff in this goblin lois oh hey i have to go to gotham to convince him was he just standing there the whole time i don't remember this thing no one stays good in this world god everyone's so cynical it's whatever oh here we go here we go teaser trailers well we can talk over the first bit i was just gonna say that like i wouldn't be too concerned with how the stakes are set it's like well superman um knowing who you are i'm assuming you'll just explain to batman what's going on yeah you're the world's greatest detective help me find her a new message boys share too oh he cracked the drive where she couldn't okay remember that photo they posed for they shouldn't have yeah did they write a secret you're on a secret mission no don't put it on your instagram ah damn it i like she's scrolling again she's scrolling her interest oh boy all of them would you like to see disney's the flash would you like to see more disney's avengers ponies oh the music is building up d-rags i knew that you you you were unsatisfied with wonder woman and the batman and super i was i was somewhat unsatisfied yeah but check out this dude he's like a train like this this was this was inspired by a train right sure that's the other way oh this is aquaman aquaman wow that looks a lot creepier than his movie why does he have glowy eyes this is my house even even though it's shitty so why isn't that i feel like this is very different from how it's portrayed in the movie i feel like the hair would constantly get in his way yeah you think he'd tie it right through save them a lot of money on the cgi budget shouldn't they be well this may be happening now wait if they canceled this whole movie well ray fisher is not like i don't think he's getting any more movies he's caused a bit of a ruckus oh it's skynet man yeah what an interesting object i wonder before time there was okay this does not like seem full oh jerry i hope this is safe it just rapidly grows some cybernetic arms and i'm curious how that makes any sense at all but whatever moving on with enough training he's not standing there this whole time onwards where is he you should still you'd be awkward but it better be better if you sit in a little lawn chair [Laughter] call the heliport shopper we can barely afford a bicycle you want to chase the story go to the ship superman's probably there already perry it's not her story then you definitely can't have it well oh i mean wouldn't you be like what do you what do you mean what are you doing are you trying to save someone's life why does the newspaper have a helicopter um i mean we'll uh to move people around to get reported journalists dude yeah i didn't realize the new york times had a helicopter they probably do very dramatic whoa why so we can you just softly come down well remember he kind of doesn't like that man right that's what those extra scenes are meant to tell us please i was wrong you have to listen to me lex wants us oh that was interesting that you just said lex wants us to i might i might inspect that yeah bruce i'm the greatest detective after all so hey batman going after lex earlier in this film batman if you have any kryptonite weapons that would have been the time to use him while he was you know frozen i understand oh explain things to him use your word why'd you do that use your words use your mouth literally tell him lex luthor's manipulating you lex luthor's manipulation all right bullets yeah you already know the bullets do [ __ ] all the superman why would you not why did you not have these with kryptonite bullets why not i don't know why so much kryptonite just a little bit in each bullet he froze him with the sound barrier things we didn't do anything other than that he just watched him get frozen by them he was like you would think have him get frozen by the sound sit by the sonic cannons and then activate the car tonight talk to him talk to him no no no no hold him off and then tell him that's a totem god but he was like says my mom lex has my mom look he has my mom he was a little bit annoyed at the other stuff now he's going to talk to him he's like what you did was mean but now we can have a chat oh okay oh why what you wanted to explain this to him the civil war final fight is bad because they don't explain the situation to each other some people give this a pass i wanted it you'd be dead already why would you say of all the things you could have said if i wanted it you'd be dead already it's like so why aren't i x-ray vision make that yeah yeah that would have been yeah yeah no you know rip tonight in the form of gas going into your lungs and [ __ ] he might actually just be straight up [ __ ] yeah yeah there shouldn't be recovery from this well if there is an answer if there is i would like us to keep a note of how long it takes that's fear you're not brave men are brave i kind of like everything about this except it's what it's housed in isolate this one set of moments here and i'm cool cool imagery cool music yeah and like i like the idea of lowering superman's strength enough that he can actually take him on as a guy yeah but if you're going to use kryptonite weaponry on him why why are gas well also because that sounds like a really great idea well no yeah i'm not questioning that i'm i'm confused that if your goal is to kill superman where's the kryptonite knife where's the kryptonite yes that's what i was thinking of remember he has to lead him to where the spear is in order to stop why didn't he have it why why didn't he have a kryptonite knife hidden it's really stupid how about like like an assassin's creed batman knife you know what i mean batman you had a really good upper hand there and you've lost you had a huge window to clarify it took superman what like 30 seconds yeah it wasn't that long to recover oh he's not quite there yet oh right yeah this is the i like this by the way it's empty yeah what did you think was gonna happen i just don't get it yeah again kryptonite fart gas instead of a kryptonite knife why well both because the kryptonite fart gas is a really good idea yeah it worked really well i just don't know why you didn't i'm saying instead of the knife the well surely he like he has enough to make a knife though he made like a spear and he hasn't do the huge against the idea of him using kryptonite fart gas period the problem is he uses that and only that instead of a kryptonite knife i guess while he's weakened you should have a kryptonite arsenal with how much he had yeah hillary clinton i questioned how exactly was he hit that made it so yeah that happened yeah i don't without him being seriously hurt because it looks cool right but it's got that sam raimi spider-man look yeah it's that'll do a little cool battle damage there's one weakness porcelain i i guess that roll roll away from the kryptonite like i guess it's not like it doesn't act immediately you know what i mean that's why he's able to still punch him that hard if breathing in the gas is like breathing in poison how does he just get over it and like well does kryptonite simply make him non-super or does it kill him it makes him weak it said it was like decaying his cells that's a little bit more than making him weak no enough should kill him with uh that's the issue with when you try to actually explain what kryptonite is so like he should be in serious trouble here well i mean batman better hurry because it won't be too long right i guess like saying that as weak as a person he should be dead right like that full should have killed him i mean he went ah it's like hey what are you doing oh wow clock is ticking that's right i mean i feel like he should already be at least back to fifty percent i bet your parents my parents told me a different lesson dying in the gutter for no reason at all how did he lift up so i don't know that went from about a meter away from batman to about seven i don't know what happened yeah what the building might collapse if you knock all this down also it's not going to do much if he's already kneeling back to recovery right if you force it to that's the crisis on infinitism's line my parents taught me a very different lesson life only makes sense if you force it to also then something completely nonsensical happens and he dies maybe um it could be argued that superman is still weak because the kryptonite spear was in that room yeah maybe i mean certainly he's got him now quite specifically that traveled a good distance it was lucky batman got thrown into this building by superman imagine he went any of the other directions oh here we go what was that what does that mean what's that little look i love that little so every time that bruce wayne hears the name martha he just gets this flashback just in case the visuals aren't enough rags his mother's name was yeah the superman's mother's name is also martha oh see them just in case just in case the the shot of martha wayne's uh grave or tomb wasn't enough we also get this we get two reminders as to what his mother's name is wait just question is batman wondering whether superman looked into his mind or something like how do you know the name it's his mother's name thank goodness you were here to explain oh wait i'm sorry she didn't hear him say martha yeah no no she knew that that would be the thing that would have made him upset no well she was she was really far away but she had an echo like we don't need to talk about why this is all terrible right i think i i get it this is horrendous yeah what's worth saying is that the fight wasn't good before that either [Music] uh i was pretty bad there's a couple of bits i like but most of it was [ __ ] um and it's all based on the fact that neither of them talk to each other i kind of came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits with any credibility you know what i mean more than four or five lines and you start to notice like wait these are two guys dressed up one guy drews up like a bat and the other one has a big red s on his chest and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other and it just you can you know it's just it's a dangerous thing you know and then batman gives up his entire crusade because apparently superman had a mum what do you think is sprung out of the ground like at urukai like as you have to wonder all that fight would have been did batman think that superman was just a goblin person i bet your parents taught you but you mean something a few moments later this is his mother's name that he just like had no he didn't love anybody wasn't loved by anybody and did nothing but bad things like he he clearly saves people they have an m16 and a flamethrower what the [ __ ] i gotta get the dangerous lady it would have been so much weight without friends my mother needs me so batman has completely flipped he's now one yeah everything he's totally different also there's no [ __ ] way that clark would agree to that that he'd be like yeah i'll go and see what's going on with the ship because lex is doing something weird you go save my mom he'd be like no you go check this out yeah i'm saving my mom it's such a bizarre moment i don't know why they did this other than wanting batman to have another action scene because they have him say like will not steal no reason like so it's meaningful he's gonna save this martha and i'm just like [ __ ] off superman would save her he's faster and more strong than you like why would it's stupid well i guess their logic is white no lex will kill her if it's you but if it's batman then no wait around no i know it would be the reverse if anything if they see superman they'll be like oh [ __ ] it's the plans failed if it's batman they'll be like what the [ __ ] what's this oh this is weird also i guess i'll just keep this dude dude oh oh i remember do it oh this is gonna can't wait at least we get the action scene that i remember being good yeah good action scene it's just fun kind of got a [ __ ] framing unfortunately yeah it's again spooky things happening at the ship superman go deal with it it's like no no no no no no like i guess that they just simply wouldn't know that he's here to save martha fought him earlier i don't really i don't really mind batman showing up to say i just mean it would be superman it's just it wouldn't work no no i mean like why they don't kill martha immediately here um well they're that they're attacking either maybe their plan their plan doesn't account for batman showing up i guess like i guess so if superman shows up then yes they kill martha but if batman shows up he may not necessarily be there to save martha it could be some other thing because he was uh taking another one earlier like i i feel like that's what the film believes but if i were one of these bad guys i'd be torturing her straight away yeah i'd be like yeah this is clearly contingency you know three or whatever someone showed up things getting [ __ ] up she has to die that's the deal yeah and superman can do this in like half the amount what i mean it makes no sense that i would let batman do this it's the rule of cool at play here oh we got the screaming thing it's like the dark knight soundtrack see like they're all like oh god what if doesn't he need like a belt of ammunition or something for that m60 cause it ain't loaded oh his works a lot of the guns are out of play yep he just snapped those guns in half wait where did his bullets go uh yeah i know he's full of proof but it would still you know i got hurts that he's ow nice oh jesus why did you shoot at him yeah why didn't you just shoot why did he opt to show like batman i got yeah i'm gonna [ __ ] you up well down he goes it is a cool action scene yeah this is a good action scene yeah it's like the only good live action fight wait don't get the one magazine damn i guess oh this one this one he's dead a lot of these dudes are dead well yeah the guy who got a batarang thrown into his throat he's dead he just i don't know what it is he just comes across like he punches so hard this bat yeah yeah yeah this batman is very much much of a cool yeah that's what it has to do with like the [Music] it's the sound mixing honestly that like the impact of the punches you really feel it he's also just a chunker of a batman look at him he's such a beefy boy he's a beefy boy correctly looks like super method actor like he bulks up like crazy and [ __ ] he also like runs like a a beefy boy yeah oh god if only it was good like this i i rewatched this scene on youtube on occasion it's a it's a good action scene i gotta tell you it does make me really upset that like we're never gonna have a really cool like infinity war kind of like yeah you know you see movie because they [ __ ] it up they [ __ ] all of it out they have yeah yeah it's over it wasn't that was a really nifty fight yeah that m60 is not lifted there's no bullets yeah there should be like a big ass pack on the bottom yeah it has to have like bullets yeah so oh here we go what's what's the most uh what's the best place to shoot a guy with a flamethrower pointed at an old lady in his brain i agree what does batman do oh what i don't know about that one mate i don't know how that would get ready for the one joke in this film i'm a friend of your sons i figured the cape like the only joke in this whole movie it feels like i want to tussle zach's hair i'm like oh a moment of like not miserableness wait are you guys aquaman gonna pick it up no during this whole thing she was like i'm gonna find a weird area to toss the spear into that will be relevant later right i just it's so weird that she decided that it was weird that she's just like i'm going to throw this in this water pit how did it take you so long also laser hair laser him right now laser boom out of time and one bat head short that'll be the cook excuse me uh gotham roast hello break the bad news i'd rather do the breaking in person i want to clarify the lex was excited to get the call from the russian to say they'd burned superman's mountain to a prison he was excited to see batman superman's reaction he would kill you that's it instead he's annoyed because batman patrolled him sorry that meant sin is existing why did batman call him to say like lol you sucks if man won't kill god the devil will do it if man won't kill god so rags as you can see the the drama is over right like batman superman they kind of chill now so what we doing what's the drama uh there's is there going to be a zombie kryptonian he has to fight it's a very beloved character from the comics that he's going to have to battle now wait for it ancient kryptonian deformity blood of my blood but why also moving your hand around like that that wound ain't sealing oh it's the it's it's one of the trolls from moria i hope you brought your mithril dude they've got a little machine in the background it's like what is going on yeah it's uh it's doomsday how did he grew him super fast he grew a doomsayer also like lame why did you do doomsday this early zod's zod's body mixed with lex luthor's blood that makes doomsday well they said resurrecting kryptonians has like tissues anyway but apparently adding lexus blood really does crank it up wow the editing kind of annoys me that superman saved blacks there in a way he's supposed to be cool with killing people oh no here comes mass destruction that he's like oh no not again it's that trope of being okay with killing people until it's you know the antagonistic bad guy who was yeah anyway why would this random creature be is he like has he got zod's brain or i don't know i don't know i don't know yeah just if you remember correctly doesn't do say like normal like its own thing and not like a clone thingy i think groom stays meant to be his own thing zombie zombie zod zombie oh damn superman's already kind of done as i was like stop it i'm the cool one not again i promise to destroy buildings anymore somebody announced that this place is mostly nobody's around oh they're done well definitely can't send a police helicopter after this one at least well we still need a giant light beam that shoots up into the sky hopefully we get that lens time for the justice league to team up and take on doomsday turkish airlines so this is pretty interesting to think about huh there's this creature that's going to be causing some havoc i guess maybe wonder woman will come out of retirement because i mean you know man of steel events wasn't really a reason for her to get involved in that and as we know if she is sheltered from the world it's not like she spends wow that's some crazy aim what a yeah what a crazy throw he wasn't even looking for a legendary urukai who lives like how did you get so busy oh oh there's something you can do oh my god oh god holy [ __ ] oh he just he just did the godzilla thing yeah so metropolis just got nuked a second time how best to describe it metropolis airspace has been closed briefly excuse me is that a second joke excuse me i think that was the second trip he's been snacking throughout the whole movie as frankie said he's like the best character he is the best character pretty much yeah i really do like jeremy irons as alfred yeah okay wait so superman travels really [ __ ] fast okay he's just we're already cleared this guy the clouds he's going up looks like he's taking it into space we can go straight to key red mr president not yet dude crazy let him hide it let him just keep flying forever yes so the logic here is should we nuke him now because it's away from civilians just let him throw him into the sun so let him keep going i think it's a fair question to ask but there is an obvious answer they're already yes are you [ __ ] me they're about to fire there is no nuclear missile there's no [ __ ] way look how far he got oh my god there's no way dude wait are they shooting didn't get superman they're shooting these two yeah this is the target and look superman's almost perished him into [ __ ] no just like let him keep going let him keep going it's so funny i hate this movie already now yeah just like let it let's just let him keep going let him fly eternity hey superman why don't you just like move out of the way like grab the missile grab the missile and like eat it away from you i lazy this is the right thing to do but like now doomsday is going to fall to the ground so well terrible there's a couple of things that could happen one the the best case scenario is they both die because kryptonians can't survive a nuke yeah we already know that's not the [ __ ] case yeah so the worst case scenario is that doomsday also dude there's all that radiation like blowing up a nuke that high up it's not it's not that high up the nuclear warhead will detonate high above the earth's surface and people on the ground will not feel a thing powerful electromagnetic waves destroy electrical circuits one of the most wired nations in the world will go dark i still blame superman somehow like i feel like they're still going to get serious repercussions which is weird when they were much higher up than that they were in space yeah they were like already in space projectile one impact strikers island east of metropolis that's uninhabited and yes thank you thank you for that thank you you nailed those two lines words she goes it's a metropolis oh that's what it inhabited too probably projectile two was superman so the manhunter now's the time the nuke hit superman and doomsday doomsday crashed to earth and he's already up at them superman is floating in space dead temporary even though doomsday was the one who absorbed the brunt yeah i do not understand how any of that makes sense but fine also now he's got a second are you a are you a scaly boy now what's going on now he's looking like uh-oh number three hey laser yeah it was a short laser but it was something it wasn't even it wasn't blue so imagine for a moment if you will the superman had crashed down there and doomsday was floating up here looking like this i'm sorry how would the force of the nuke have made it so that superman was just floating right above and he fell i don't [ __ ] know man i think it's unkillable but your martian manhunter now sometimes spring to action yeah yeah buddy you should be helping also batman i'm not sure you can help with this one yeah i know you want to try buddy but look at this alfredo then you could yeah okay i'm out [Music] alfred it's kryptonian only crypto weapons can kill us they might if you had any left spent at all he's got one gas round and the spear it's true if i can penetrate the skin the spear will kill it so isn't that what the spear is for penetrating the skin so yeah get it to chase me just go back get this yeah so he needs to get the spear so if he has dooms they chase him then he'll get the spear and kill him instead of just go get it and come back with the spear and then yeah come back to doom says chill he's just sitting here yeah why are you going to make him follow you into gotham into a yeah he's highly populated why would you too that's right batman gotham is gotham is barely inhabitable all right oh look he died and he's come back oh lucky the sun just came like jesus took it really awkward if it was just you know on the other side uh whatever they did with his face was really uncanny because i guess the nuke also powered up superman after a second no the sun yeah the sun did it but but so the nuke powers up the doomsday but it doesn't power up superman yeah because he's got lex luthor's blood and likes his powers up both but nukes kill people lies i don't understand just because nukes kill people in the real world doesn't mean that they can't people in the comic book movies it's like someone's got to say them don't you love that trope with they just can't get out of their vehicles the ejections just don't work for some reason with their [ __ ] braces yeah everyone cheer please they always how much christmas she is look she immediately used her best weapon on it no i didn't do much use your love laser go i used your laser love do you learn this like 80 years out of life go back up superman and so lois seeing this is like the spear of course i have no idea what's happening but we need this beer her objective is to throw a spirit just don't get it why did she conclude oh i need the spear like how do you what remember guys the porn is abandoned so it's okay yeah they they're brought into importance with the finest beer i've been a little busy this thing this creature seems to fit on energy yeah that wasn't very good and also probably wasn't a good idea to throw it into an explosion remember the shield she doesn't have in 84. i've killed things from other worlds before no you haven't you haven't killed yourselves where was that movie i guess we're gonna get another one prequel at some point she's got a sword and shield now we didn't know nice she had a sword in the first movie they got vaporized but the real sword was love yeah she's gonna oh my god again okay look at this batman hid under a rock now look what it does to everything else congratulations no no it's fine he's got the backpack it's so [ __ ] dumb they made it they made sure to show us that he jumped under a rock and then they shoot rocks again wow that's a good shield yeah made from pure series stolen can kill her maybe it's made from aries as bolsack you know it's like really just super thick good music again though yeah yeah so superman oh my god maybe we should take him up into space yeah what seemed to work pretty well so his sword can cut through him like remember kryptonite is the only thing that can breach this skill as crypto is but his sword also can it's like what is this sword because you you've lost the god killer what is this one i love that it's just batman just simply can't do anything against this thing yeah i feel kind of bad for him it's like dude you should go like i don't you know also i find it infinitely funny that she's about to drown because she was because she's through the spirit lois you had one job but of course whenever she's in distress superman detects it use this laser oh remember he has lasers yeah yeah this is like a harry potter yep you just got a face laser superman oh i remember it's not heard he can hear that oh how did you hear that over everything yeah how did you know what it was yeah how do you figure that's a person rather than just rubble moving around i don't know but yeah there he got her again because she can't be killed lois in this movie lois at all of them but like she doesn't need to be in these films they just drop her in to be she feels just token yeah i saved you because that's what i do remember we love each other this is so sad very much get the spear can he not even hold the sphere okay yeah i guess you can buy like this back right yeah just hold it really far away lift it up with your feet genuinely but what is dude return shot that's cool that's a really cool shot yeah but like this is what zack snyder does hey look that's a cool shot like yeah he can do really cool shots he just can't write or you know direct versus yeah uh dude this couple of seconds has more stakes in it than anything in the movie yeah like [Music] batman so yeah batman has to try his ass off just to not be in his way like that's actually interesting yeah i like that but the other two are just sort of like yeah punch punch punch punch i guess lois can like oh right he's got the kryptonite he's all flumpy now so remember when he when he was holding this the spear he was really weak yeah remember that yeah like really weak like he couldn't even [ __ ] get up though right because like when he gets shot the bullets don't go the suit never gets [ __ ] up yeah yeah well zod could spin him around by his cape and it doesn't tear or anything i'm not saying that for any reason oh look at that sexy pose she's so into this she doesn't care if anyone's actually safe she's supposed to look does that not feel inconsistent she's like oh [ __ ] so we've just discovered she's super cool with fighting people his sword can kill this thing for sure that's amazing and it's like our only host like what little character wonder woman has like she seems to be like yeah fighting she's like black panther kind of like in someone else's movie he's [ __ ] great yeah i would argue she's definitely stronger in this movie than i need better than this yeah oh yeah so if her sword is capable of chopping that thing's hand off she could easily chop that thing's head off too yeah yeah so what we need to do is batman needs to fire a gas grenade and then wonder woman needs to chop its head off wonder woman's also way more durable in this movie than any of the others again the first one like a bullet could have killed her oh you can fly while holding it nice tell the truth i don't know i don't know how that's gonna tell the truth it's like i'm just angry and i don't know why where am i i'm hungry now's your chance now is the chance chop off his head it's the one contribution that batman can make to this fight i would actually say as well hey batman what was your follow-up there like what were you gonna do did you know i guess that he apparently he knew that superman was coming with a spear he couldn't have so they don't talk on little little things hey that's not [ __ ] can you do that i mean superman's weak sorry i guess when you get weakened by kryptonite oh yeah yeah that's right that's right yeah that's why i said it yeah it's just it's just amazing that wonder woman could have done what is wonder woman doing right now actually it fell over yeah make sure it goes right through the hole oh another laser we did it so lame and that you wasted it that is the death of superman comboed up with batman what is it returns but which is the one that returns dark knight returns the dark knight sounds yeah man what a what a waste of it like oh if they had built this up over like i don't know six movie arc or something dude this is the civil war ending equivalent for the mcu dcu sort of thing no this is the second movie in the dc eu second one i know this is the fourth in our like yeah but this is the second that they've done also like that they've released we're just like the whiplash from watching wonder woman 84 to watching matter stealing this like are these movies aware of each other do you all know you exist was there a plan funnily enough yeah you watch it chronologically and you're like what the hell is this movie trying to say wonder woman's been fighting for ages more jesus imagery right here yeah it's not this film's fault that wonder woman has been battling people for years and just said that yeah it's not this fault yeah um though i would say it is this film it is kind of this film's fault for like implying that wonder woman would come out of retirement for this fight but not the one in man of steel i don't understand that at all yes yeah yeah yeah unless she just wasn't around maybe she wasn't available you've got to account for that they try but they fail i know this is very sad by the way that act is really bad though in this one that's an expression sort of yeah is making it all a thing one woman's like i think i am sad it's weird okay so so like earlier in the film she's doing a decent job with acting and now it's like kind of just going away and then we have the wonder woman movies where she's just awful it was diminishing the moment she entered i mean look at the way she's standing there she looks so bored yes it looks like she's just rolling her eyes it's like ugh i lost i i lost my not lost my flight i missed my flight by the way no commentary on like was anyone hurt by this like civilian life it's just like no no no no no i'm upset all clear it's fine oh this is the stinger right this is this is uh this is an additional scene inside there's 20 black zero yeah oh well yeah but this is the stinger one of possibly many stingers i guess i don't know hey guys do you recognize this guy i don't remember this why would this be a kryptonian ship what so the ship was telling lex about steppenwolf and the mother boxes and the mother boxes yeah why are you in the there's little beans in it get out of the goo remember because lex is bold this is a payoff guys seriously i feel so bad for like comic fans getting this lex luthor i control everything in this town superman your cooperation is not really necessary the offer was merely a courtesy imagine if they messed up that shot and they weren't recording it's like oh [ __ ] okay yeah god like they take your hair like they don't shave it down so you're like completely bald i think people are allowed to keep just differently superman dead there should be a comma between uh night of terror morning of loss one of our own clock kent will be missed like huh very somber movie it's a very bad movie pay off yeah to like a big long story it does feel that way doesn't it like look how far we've come it's like the second move look at all the the empty businesses oh it's like corona is the implication that everybody's at superman's funeral i wouldn't go i'd be like [ __ ] him that's fine he did a pretty shitty job at stopping zod so yeah you could yeah i could see some people being pissed at it but at the same time they would have been it would have been nice to have had that be in this film that conversation between anyone will be in like wow he [ __ ] it up and something like no he saved us he said we never really got a strong understanding of batman's position other than that ginger oh look at that and it's reverend is that the same reverend that he asked for advice and then ignored yeah he went there to it did nothing basically nothing happened oh look it's kill the children man [Laughter] so i have to ask like how exactly did they manage to get clark's body back if uh he was killed in his superman costume and probably an autopsy was done on him like you know when he was in a giant hole in his chest yeah then they had to like somehow get that out and then have him moved to kansas kryptonian biology they'd be like whoa look at these cells look at everything whoa yeah he's he's not being any atoms amy adams put the glasses back on him before the police showed up so why is he cosplaying right now how's it stupid how did clark didn't get here where did superman go and he stole superman's outfit too like is there a car you gotta fly somehow there can't be a body for both of these funerals right so no and also wouldn't somebody just look at the two pitches be like okay so superman looks very similar but this guy clark kent who died the same night yeah well that's not enough to go hey you know dave grohl looks a lot like the drummer from nirvana and then and then when superman comes back clark kent is going to come back to life at the same time too there's no way that no one will know hey they'll be like how does he how does he have a sacred identity after he oh i guess yeah we won't we won't know that because it never we never really got there did we because oh my god we might get it in snyder cut maybe maybe hope you like slow slow motion rags oh i've watched 300 it's all good yeah he's had loads with two hours and 45 in like it's he's definitely experienced a bit of slow-mo at this point and if we were watching justice league the new one we'd still have an hour left you know you know that's going to be jesus at this funeral superman has his funeral one of the boxes is empty i'm guessing it's clark's box is empty i'm guessing they're both empty actually they probably kept the body so no no no no the the one with clark's body that's that's not empty they showed clark's body oh yeah you're right yeah i assume that when the case because that would have been dumb yeah uh wait so they didn't how does that work wow how does that work that was exactly what i was trying to point out is like when uh superman when superman's body is found it's him in the superman costume with a giant hole in his chest so that it's like well then how do they they get him away from wherever they did the autopsy how does he know that superman is dead if there's no body that's precisely yeah and then one of them one of them lacks a body we just found out it has to be superman because clark's body's there which means wow i have a lot of questions there's something they're giving away like a folded flag like he was in the military right this is a really necessary shot by the way it is slo-mo it's so cool imagine being ginger guy in the first movie they're like you're coming back for the second one like oh my god really holy [ __ ] oh wow yeah yeah i was just ginger guy but like yeah everyone like loves him he's really funny and nice and we're gonna make you doomsday like what you ever thought about forming some kind of a league for justice or something putting together a team about to get that scene i failed in life i won't fail him in death i don't think no you didn't you saved his mom and killed him considering your capability yeah it's pretty good and they'll fight we have to stand together a hundred years ago i walked away from mankind it was like maybe 30 years ago men made a world where standing together is impossible impossible um so everyone renounced their wishes yeah everyone went together in 84 yeah i find it endlessly amusing that just justice league is the one that patty jenkins considers illegitimate when this film is absolutely part of the canon patty jenkins shot all over this film like she didn't give a [ __ ] because remember wonder woman one ends with her riding off into the sunset to fight more but that was after that was awesome oh sorry that was in the future yeah so once she got the photo back in that that's when she's reignited to to fight again right which is weird because at the end of this film they're already talking about um creating the justice league why did you say they'll have to fight what but okay wait i have more than that just a feeling that's it just a feeling it's like finn and rises batman is force sensitive he's like all right weather [ __ ] off i was just going to say that wonder woman when the war ends when she beat series and she's all chuffed about it and then she sees the the people have died and she's all sad and stuff that didn't seem to me like the film was saying she's done with men or man rather so unless these people are working with batman i don't know how this happened what lighting somebody said the light switched we made it all red oh zach oh my goodness this is high top production this is how it all caves and civilization on the way i'm insane i'm not even fit to stand trial we have hospitals to treat the mentally ill with compassion but that's not where you're going i arranged for you to get a transfer to arkham asylum in gotham i still have some friends there they're expecting you see so that makes it sound like he does send the branded people to go get killed at gotham and they've heard it but in the dark among the stars the god is dead so does lex luthor went like this [Music] why did batman do that no no he's hungry so does he want the world to just like get destroyed [Music] he sucks in this movie he shaved his head for this why do they shave his eyebrows well did they no he's just no they didn't eyebrow he's just he does unfortunate eyebrows is he happy that darkseid and stuff are going to be coming to earth and killing everybody that's what i'm trying to figure out here like what what are you trying to do what's your goal also why is it that batman was hell-bent on branding him and then once he told him i'm insane he was like well i guess i would like why would that make him yeah what was the point of him bringing out the brand just to smoke i mean he punched a white hole with a breath was it just to intimidate him did he change his mind like i i don't when he told him he was insane he was like there's a place to deal with people like you it's it's arkham city asylum but i would have said you there so what convinced him to do the thing i don't know this makes a lot less sense now hmm that makes sense what are we supposed to think of the dirt rising there i don't know that should be that should be the [ __ ] that should be the name of this dceu reversed as the dirt dries that was evs it was indeed that was really awful yeah yeah it was pretty bad pretty bad but you know what i wouldn't say it's as bad as man of steel i wouldn't say this is as bad as the three yes i am the best of the four i think just one you know what this this has jeremy irons as alfred this has a pretty cool batman it's got a really great batman action sequence fundamentally though like there are a lot of plot problems they're just yeah the plot is yeah i don't know i think i think the first half is better than anything else but the latter half is worse than man of steel i would agree the first half is better but a lot of that's because it doesn't seem like much is going on how much is happening i would also don't forget how bad man of steel is please i beg you yeah yeah no no i don't really if you want to reference anything there's probably going to be an equivalent for band of steel right maybe i don't know this like sum total of everything we saw today is pretty awful so i agree i don't know i feel like i'm on an episode of best of the worst yeah it was really hard to like figure it all out but um my gut instinct is that this sits above the three of them i think this was a surprisingly tolerable compared to the other three surprisingly tolerable compared to the other three is the the key word not just surprisingly tolerable i i enjoyed some of this you know some of it yeah yeah it was enjoyable first i didn't enjoy any of those lost through man of steel i enjoyed wonder woman you enjoyed some of wonderful yeah i want to imagine the key difference like anything i referenced in 84 for the most part there's some of max lord that i'm enjoying because i think it's actually good but then most of it's because it's hilarious there's stuff in this and i'm enjoying some like yeah okay yeah like this is entertaining there's some unironically okay stuff in this film yeah yeah i was enjoying it physically okay i was enjoying it for the reasons that they created it like they were like oh yeah it's weird yeah batman cool look at that fight isn't that cool yeah you know what's funny is uh someone might be like you think bbs is better than wonder woman you'd be like you need to understand the context of that statement okay wonder woman's really really really bad i don't know i feel like there's like there's go ahead the only thing good about wonder woman is parts of um what's his face uh spine chris character that's basically it um this has a cool batman a cool alfred so already it's a head well it's probably worth mentioning as people should probably know we don't mind batman killing people not necessarily as a continuation of any other batman who doesn't just as this clearly this instance of batman is a disgruntled crazy man and so him killing people is something that he has decided in his journey that he will do yeah i'm gonna drop a hot take here i don't have an issue with batman killing people in general because unlike superman he doesn't it's not like he's bulletproof he's unkillable and he can deal with people without any risk to himself yourself with um his psychology is that he doesn't want to kill he doesn't want to become the people he's trying to stop and stuff like that become that's what people usually point to but i would just be like this vision of batman isn't isn't doing that i don't know i think it's fun i think it's fine to not want to kill people i also think it's fine for him to take the approach of well they are using guns i'm not i need to use lethal force like i will use lethal force if i have to he's um he's much more punishery in this than like i don't yeah i don't think it's wrong lethal force to defend yourself for me my thing is more just i just don't like it i don't really like this batman but it's fine like you can do what that's probably the whatever way you want the whole take of this whole thing is probably i'm totally fine with him for the most part not necessarily how he's portraying this film just with conceptually because this is a really [ __ ] crazy universe like every everything i know about wonder woman batman and superman is just not relevant to these films it's like okay throw that out it's like he has a batmobile still and i'm like okay so are you all agreed that this is probably the best that we've seen so far of the fall yeah but it's not it's not like a significant margin i just you know we can't understand just how the third act is really crap look at it all right i'll be the one i'll be the one contrarian here i think there are things in this that are better than like uh wonder woman the first one and man of steel but there are things that are worse in this movie too so what would you say well i mean we can talk about the whole martha thing i mean it's memed to death but i think that's that's worse that as an ending to the batman is that worse than i believe in love laser through the chest though you know what i think it might be honestly destroyed you yeah sorry that's worse yeah no i don't really i mean it's a cheesy line but i i don't think it's worse i like i i is your is your sort of core there the criticism of batman is being out of character to have paused at that moment or the contrivance of both their mothers being named martha or the the central conflict of the film i.e batman versus superman is resolved in that moment and then they're all sudden on the same team together it's really [ __ ] the name of your film is batman vs superman i don't ignoring that i would just appeal to this journey they're both on throughout this movie i don't believe for a second that batman would have stopped trying to kill him in that moment and yeah if you want to do it right you have to change all of it but like the payoff should have been uh he should have been him saying say sorry i'm gonna just stop you write it you have to change all of it because that's why i'm saying this is worse than the other movies i i don't know if i agree with the worst of the four no i don't think that this is worse than the other four i think that yeah that's a it's a really bad that's not the worst of all i'm sorry wonder woman 84 is the worst so do you think that's the the worst the sing the most significant singular issue across all four films is the martha moment no not all for wonder woman 84 worse okay but okay the top three of the top three you think that the worst singular moment is i think there is more good in this movie but also more bad so i don't agree i think that there's less bad there i think there's less bad too many was a roller coaster of terrible i don't know i mean every if everything that you say for like doomsday and martha it's like well dude nothing like wonder woman the first movie has a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] in it and man it's like steel it's hugely wonderful i don't wonder woman 84 the wish thing at the end is like the singular most that was actually ever yeah i i thought i said that yeah yeah oh so excluding 84 from this conversation then um i i think oh god it's so hard they're all so yeah man of steel is so incomprehensible like there's so much that's going on that i'm not understand over at least i can kind of understand like what they're trying to go for here which i don't with man of steel i think that would be the big thing is that from a world building perspective this film was probably sounder than man of steel like absolutely an empire dying i think i think it beats the other two out by miles because it doesn't it doesn't appeal to this enormous history that makes no sense at all and uh when we talk about whatever this continuity is batman v superman slots in better than wonder woman even does in some ways and certainly more so than 84. i say that like i think the singular greatest piece of plot arm i've ever seen is batman evading like disintegration beams where i'm stuck is that there are things that are better in this movie than anything in wonder woman or man of steel but there are things that i think are when you add them all up or worse so there's there's the whole creation of doomsday there's the martha thing there's the fact that they think superman did this even though they should obviously know we could for each one of those we could find equivalents pretty easily i think we're at the point where all those bad things are just kind of like par for the course well i i i specifically yes like these are in all of them but this one has some good stuff that's always if we're dealing with just shitty movies we have to basically just realize okay which one's which movie has the least number of shitty things in it and i'm pretty sure that the other three movies that we've watched have worse like many worse things this is a longer movie and it has fewer problems i'm saying i'm saying that there might be more sheer number of problems because it's so goddamn i think what i don't know i think i agree with mueller like what i would appeal to is that there are things in this that i actually legitimately like which i can't say for the other films right i enjoyed it more than man of steel or wonder woman yeah like it balances out like when you have stuff that's good as well as stuff that's bad it at least balances out somewhat whereas like if you have a a story that's written about as poorly as the last jedi but there's many more things that you might like about it spider-man 2 um you know it's it's obviously not going to be as bad as the last jedi then there you go bringing up spider-man 2 again i i know i can't help it i just i i have to i have to like i feel like issue per time was quite low in the first half considering how high it was in the other ones no the if it was if it was the first half versus all the other ones it's definitely the best yeah but i feel like the issue per time in the second half was about on par with the others yeah right and so when you couple it all together and then you add in the scenes that are actually pretty good and then some of the choices but i think bvs steals it i really do i i appreciate i respect your opinion i i'm gonna be a contrarian and say that i think it's slightly worse that's that's all right um i want to mention that yeah we got uh so in order that we've been watching them it was aries no way yeah aries max lord i guess this this is the third right i'm not [ __ ] that up wait where are we now and then lex luthor and doomsday yeah like wow what a what a selection maxwell is the best is easily the best yeah do we do we skip over lex luthor or no okay all terrible max lords just bad if i was to like he's the only one that i'd be like yeah you know max's biggest issue is his powers are like world breaking i also think he's just he's lost around the halfway mark we don't really know what he's doing yeah and they find him again at the end but in the middle he's very confusing he was almost almost great you know i like zod better than lex luthor yeah for what that's what's up yeah it's almost like a god doesn't annoy me yeah this this version of lex luthor is a disaster so annoying like is this okay so is lex luthor the worst villain so far uh so how do we how are we defining waste because peter cheater is the worst i think right uh which one annoys us the most or which one is the most poorly written is the question i guess right lex probably annoys me the most yeah let's keep it easy and stick with annoyance i mean we at least understand cheetahs motivation right yeah what's lex luthor's motivation here he hates god if he wants to you hit him he's an edgy reddit atheist he said you can't be all powerful and all good and you can't be all good and all powerful i don't know if that was his way of saying like you're a bad person because you're powerful all good like i have to stop you because you're powerful but then he created doomsday like what the [ __ ] are you doing he's just stirring the pot to see what happens honestly i think there's going to be several people's like different interpretations what the [ __ ] his motivation was it'd be like clearly he was getting revenge on his dad all right yeah uh i i feel like zod's plan might actually make the most sense well no max is right what was his no by the end of that movie he was insane like i don't even think that he had a plan by the end of that film he was just yeah i guess he gets a little he gets a little bit lost sure um but well but zod's plan doesn't make any sense he's destroying a planet and killing a whole bunch of people quote unquote terraforming it yeah he's a kryptonian supporter but that doesn't make sense like the planet is clearly much more inhabitable for his species than terraforming it is like it's just a really weird thing that he's doing for no reason and he can be a superpowered dude if he allows everything to remain the same um i think he can be superpowered regardless right because it's the sun specifically not earth okay well still very pleasant whether or not he terraforms it and if he terraforms it he basically wipes out all of the everything that we've done as humans and he makes up an enemy out of us forever yeah he's a very stupid man but it gets him krypton yeah like i guess if the argument is just yeah he's he's arrogant you know he's he's gonna have his way you'd be like all right i guess you're right that he makes the mo well doomsday i guess right he's just a thing going but yeah i mean that was a question i had and maybe it's a stupid question but what does doomsday want what is doomsday doing he wants to destroy things that's so lazy he's big man you know what i mean like i mean like if he's an animal right he you know like an animal would probably run away in the void like but like what is it doesn't make any sense [ __ ] it he's just malevolent and aggressive for no reason sure why not he's an abomination right he's he was cr they they warned lex they were like don't do it don't bring back a flume because it'll go all angry i don't i guess this one makes me feel the last feeling like i don't have as many feelings about this one yeah yeah i i feel pretty deflated that's sort of its strength in a way that well like for it fake but i mean for enjoyment wise it was just a lot of sort of like okay i'm just watching the scene happen oh look the we had we had the lex luthor stick a jolly rancher in that guy's mouth that was i don't know what that i don't know what that added to like anything also i guess it's a fetish thing it was totally uh it was totally plenty for zach to not only cut out but to keep at the normal speed in fact times two might have been adoption in several locations i don't think anything with that dream flash shows up i don't think that was necessary at all wow that's good i would have a travel person i would call it fan service honestly that's like flash people would love seeing that if they're all into this [ __ ] so if we just watch this then we're supposed to so that's the flash coming from another time we're not going to just watch this we have to watch justice league when oh we will be do we have to yeah yeah because we need to watch justice league to know what was changed you know and i think the the interesting thing is that uh there was meant to be two-parter um of justice league at first yeah that that scene may still not not make sense like that it won't make sense wait so the snyder cut is just a part one spider cut was he didn't film both films like this is the thing like this is not the end of his plan this is kind of like the thing that people are spinning now of oh well no this is the end of like the three arc journey it's like no there was meant to be a second part it will never happen but there was meant to be a part two with a fight dark side think i guess it could happen if no um it does really well no i don't believe it will happen not i think they are putting this out to just appease people and then that's the end and they're never gonna if it's dude if if it's super successful they'll probably think about it um yeah that's what i'm saying it won't be but if it was i don't know that it will be super successful i think that there's a pretty small crowd that are clamoring for this film i mean yeah for sure i would i wouldn't get what they want i wouldn't want to guess on how successful i don't know like guns in my head i would assume it's not going to be that successful but i don't know it's a very loud vocal minority i think that wants this that successful means like is it going to make a billion dollars i don't think so at least well no i don't think so but also the idea of like what if it what if everyone thinks it's [ __ ] you know yeah i mean all the people out there because like i've seen posts about it a lot of people are already saying like zack snyder does not understand superman or batman so those people still exist they're going to watch them be like [ __ ] this this is not these characters i'm pretty convinced that uh the people that were demanding for the center cut they're going to say it's good no matter what it actually is because they they praise man of steel and this movie i'm sure they would say that we will say it's bad no matter what it is oh well i mean we i think i came away from this one a little bit surprised that i didn't hate it quite as much as yeah i think it should tell you how bad i thought this film was that i think it's better than i thought like will we will we give this one like a three a four like what's that you have to sort of zoom in you have to zoom into the ti the graph now it'd be a little bit we gotta get to the point yeah yeah like does this get up to three point five four range the absolute highest i would give this film is a four but i don't know if it gets there i think that's yeah i'm going to play five probably yeah i'm fine fine i'd probably go 3.5 as well i almost want it to be a three and that means i have to lower the other two below three but like high twos i guess 3.1 um if this were a three i could put the other two at like 2.8 and 2.7 or something i don't know depending on like they get rounded to threes but they're not they're really bad they're 84 they're on the council of threes but they are not council or three we have a council of threes we are dirt rising like i can't understand man of steel was so much worse than i ever thought it was yeah man of steel actually gave me a headache looking at it yeah this movie didn't give me a headache so oh and yeah despite its length i do think this is better than theatrical version by quite a bit oh i definitely do it's definitely better there's quite a few things that make no [ __ ] sense in the theatrical compared to this yeah i think i think it solves some issues but far from like the biggest ones so yeah i agree um it's it's it's it's slightly more coherent yeah the simple vision is it solves some problems it doesn't create any that didn't already exist i think um well okay no no no no no um the fact that they threw they had the russian guy throw the lady into the train in front of all those people and that creates a new problem sure there's a lot of things like that i bet in this yeah you know i'm kind of talking about my ass because i can't remember everything that was all was it wasn't in in you know [Music] um that's another one down next up canonically would be suicide squad is it yes yes depending on my time i haven't seen a suicide squad i've just heard that it's horrible famously bad i thought it was fun bad oh yeah dude it should be a lot of fun i'm hoping when we watch that when we watch that movie we're going to be the real suicide squad nice kill ourselves okay okay okay i have something to lift the spirits before we head out of here well i think i know what you're going to say look look at that season 3 yeah oh my goodness i can't believe it i can't either it's insane i'm so happy dude what'd you bring me

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[u/Bedurndurn]

I feel like I blocked out how fucking terrible Jesse Isengard is in this movie. I knew he was terrible, but god damn.

[u/Kerrah]

Yay, Southpaw