Ed Kemper Interview - 1991

Edie Kemper was detained in a mental hospital from the age of 21 for the murder of his grandparents but was later released in the advice of psychiatrists within two years he had decapitated mutilated six students as well as his mother and her best friend he sometimes raped the corpses in 1973 he gave himself up since when Edie Kemper has been detained in a reformed hospital in California Vacaville prison near San Francisco is the largest prison in the West with around 10,000 inmates Edie Kemper teaches computer science here and takes part in a program recording literature for the blind all of which will help them earn early remission hi my younger sisters two years younger and I developed some morbid games my life had started going that way at about eight at a certain time of the evening the family left the center room the the living room of the house my mother and my sisters or my sisters themselves would go up to bed upstairs where I used to go to bed upstairs I had to go down to the basement and an eight-year-old child had a tough time differentiating the reason in that why am I going to the basement I'm going to hell they're going to heaven and what were those games that you played with your sister well the one I remember someone talking about a neighbor and a book was one it was playing gasps shushing for electric chair or something and we had this big old overstuffed chair up in my room and we'd I was not just my sister and I it was my sister and I and a friend close friend we got into all these games we got into one game where we'd roll up in a rug and a person who tried to get out of it is just like a large throw rug and it was I guess what fascinated us individually about it is it was a completely he'd broke up the monotony I guess of what we were doing didn't have a lot of toys to play with we got bored with those pretty quickly so we looked for things to do you roll up in the rug and you try to get out and the other two would leave the room and we see who could get out fastest you know we try to work your way out sideways or scoot out the end of it or whatever and went from that to being tight in this an overstuffed chair with court or something or or pieces of sheet or sash or something and went through this process I guess where that's back when in 1960 when Caryl Chessman was executed what was those fantasies what were they yes possessing the severed heads of women men didn't turn me on that wasn't very ID couldn't appreciate the appearances of a guy that when I was young I was about eight or nine years old I went to a this little come on it was like at a record store or something and they had this crowd of kids there's a magic show and this guy you've probably seen it the fake guillotine hand pressed and they put the potato there and someone puts their neck in the in the brace and they slammed this thing down and the potato down below Thompson - but the person's head doesn't follow right and everybody gets very fascinated by that oh my god and then when he puts the blade in place and he pushes it down it goes through that neck hole but it never chops anybody's head off okay so he wanted a volunteer out of the I'm not standing in this crowd watching this show and he wanted a volunteer out of the audience and some quite beautiful little sixteen year old girl gets up there and speak laughter all giddy and stuff and I start getting caught up in this I said wow that right at that moment I departed reality because logically I should have been able to ascertain that that could not happen you're not going to get away with chopping somebody's head off in the middle of turns in the middle of Helena Montana at the capital city but the concept of it was so raw and it was titillating I says wow Jake I watch this and he had her girlfriend come over and put her hands there to catch her head so it wouldn't fall into basket you know and he was making jokes about this I got caught up in this this um this interplay between normal concerns you don't want to get a bump on her head while hey if you're chopping her head off it doesn't matter right and this is catching in my mind somehow and I'm saying wow the first time okay the two girls were killed around 6:00 p.m. by 11:00 the next morning they are both completely gone out of my life physically all right that's not even 24 hours the third murder which is the second incident okay I'm in the middle of trying to get my record sealed right Thursday night I killed her I took off Friday I didn't go to work I called in sick took CTO all right dismembered her body got rid of her body but kept her head in her hands because they're identifiable they're highly identified I kept those at the apartment okay that Friday night uh Thursday night I took her Friday Friday morning she was dismembered Friday night she was disposed of right Saturday morning I left right and I didn't have I wasn't satisfied that I took the head along in the hands but I did I couldn't put them someplace that I was could be sure they would be dug up by an animal or just be somewhere it was it's scary going out there trying to bury somebody or dispose of body parts in a community or out a know even in the boonies where you don't know where you're at and who can come up at any moment I had some real close calls there or people that come out of nowhere and if they if a body's found and they remember this Beija looking car sitting there the night that's evidence so it was very very hard to get rid of this stuff anyway it's Saturday morning I went to see the psychiatrist in Fresno Saturday afternoon I saw the other one Saturday evening I'm with my fiancee and her family over in Turlock Sunday night I come back to my apartment could you tell us how long you've been in any prison excuse me this month is 18 years that I've actually been in prison what were you convicted of eight counts the first-degree murder and what was your sentence seven years to life CC that's called concurrent because all the sentences run at the same time who years before you committed crimes I think you traveled quite a lot on the freeways at night or picking up hitchhikers during the day during the day yeah I traveled a lot because I'd been locked up for five and a half years I never had a license well I just gotten a license when I got locked up the first time the Montana license and so I was free the driving around was a way to exhibit that freedom to demonstrate it to get the cobwebs out of me when I in the first got out I love to drive I always did love as a kid to drive I started driving when I was 10 or 12 years old but I got a license when I was 15 up in Montana and then I got locked up and then here in California and I got out got a license and I just started driving and that was my main hobby I'd say and I saw a lot of people out hitchhiking and I didn't select girls to pick up I picked up anybody who wanted to ride and over that whole three-year period it was the same way if someone needed a ride I picked them up and less specifically I was looking for someone to do in the crime sir it goes from from May to September May 7th Sunday to Thursday September 14 then it hops over to January right and then to February it's speeding up it's coming to a head it's getting to where I it wasn't a cyclic abut it was coming to where it was coming more often and something I didn't tell a whole lot of people I guess I did tell in one interview shortly before it all ended I drove up to the Bay Area and I was well I was living there I was up in al if I was living with my mother in Santa Cruz and commuting because I had to work up there and I stayed with a friend I went out to Berkeley and I drove Ashby Avenue one of the places I used to drive looking for coeds and I drove from highway 80 up Ashby Avenue to highway 13 the first two coeds I killed on Ashby Avenue they were five foot two sleight of figure you know we call petit in the ones black hair ones blonde hair okay now I'm driving the opposite direction of Ashby Avenue it's a year later I'm seeing if I can maintain I'm not hunting I'm not seeing if I can maintain I have a weapon in a car I have everything else fitting the situation I'm seeing if I can maintain if I can just let go of it and maintain and marry this young lady and go on I go driving up there and here's these two young ladies five foot two one's got blonde hair once got black hair they're in granted dresses and I've haven't [ __ ] fits because it's like deja vu and I oh my god I just I acted in a way that they wouldn't be paranoid because I'm a young man by myself in this car I diffused the situation as I drove up I'd gotten practice at that all that driving around it wasn't rehearsing I made a game out of driving around picking people up and later on I discerned that some people wouldn't get in my car because of the situation I'm a young man by myself it's unsafe so I thought well gee I'd you know that kind of put me off I'm not doing anything to anybody so I want to see if I can change that situation where they'll want to get in and I can take them where they're going because I know I'm not going to do anything and I got to where I could defuse that situation is how you're looking if you looking at oh boy how are you start cranking the car over there they're not going to get in your car because they can see you from half a block away drooling but if you look at your watch and say jeez I don't know if I have enough time and you're kind of the mirror looking around you pull over and it's guys it's the businessman going somewhere and get this car will go where we're going and as little games I played so they get in the car and then we chatted and I talked about things and I found out where their orientations were and their little what they used to judge and who could get in and who they could get in with and who they couldn't right in that sense it's been interpreted as as as what do you call it rehearsing it's not true it's like playing chess and then turning it into something ugly I played chess casually I played chess more and more thoroughly till I got very good at it which was picking up people to where I could make you a bit I can pick up those two ladies and they'd say oh man you're crazy those are two very crafty young ladies who won't get on a car with a young man by himself etc etc and I'd win the bet because I knew how to defuse the situation even if they asked where are you headed right and they had a sign saying where they're going but they'd asked or if they even if they didn't they'd say where are you headed and I had ways of developing it to where they wouldn't get suspicious but I didn't mean I was going to kill him it meant I was playing a game and then later when I started killing people I used that against them but initially it was just a hobby it was a habit it was trying to fill in the blanks of five and a half years of not being in society I missed that flower child generation I missed the entry into Vietnam all that stuff and all these kids are like aliens to me yeah I say kids I missed 16 17 18 19 20 21 I'm supposed to be associating with people in their adult years but I missed a big chunk so I'm out there trying to fill in the gaps find out why these kids are the way they are now because they were totally different from the kids that I was when I was that age totally different and I'm trying to fill the gaps in and then later I changed that to something ugly and why my mother works at the University my mother won't introduce me to any young ladies it's university because I'm like my father and I don't deserve to know any of those em ladies so here she is holding these little girls there is too good for me very special if anything I was destroying icons I was hurting her without her even knowing it again is that picking you know Petty and ineffectual I'm getting back at you but I don't have the heart to tell you what I'm doing say why would I admit those things on a camera that's embarrassing as humiliating how would you select your victims whether I didn't select them it was random and it was also the development of the passion if I was drove they died like the last two victims I was so pissed I'd have killed anybody got in a car you said you had a lot of sympathy and empathy towards mary ann pesce when you talk to her but isn't that strange to say that after you had killed her in such a brutal fight there was a draw there was a draw to the young lady was haunting I'm not saying I had compassion toward her when I talked to her I tried to remember what we talked about and in fact I think what I said about her was is that she epitomized what really drove me she was a hottie young lady she's kind of stuck-up distant I look back on it and I see a girl that was not beautiful she was not playing she was somewhere in between and she was caught up in that beauty thing like kids in the valley are okay valley girls trying to make something of themselves and exploit little attributes they have and to downplay other ones and she was playing Little Miss distant with me and her friend was very open and very her roommate was very open and very country girl talking and stuff and it said because the Peche was the Mary Ann was the expert at hitchhiking she had to have her life in Europe she'd hitchhiked around Europe she'd done at the United States she was good at it she didn't want to get in the car the other girl Anita Lou chess it wasn't a hitchhiker she had been raised by her family don't do things like that that's totally out of line and her friend talked her into it and once she got into it and she saw how much fun it was they'd meet the different people and they talked with people that by the time they're leaving Berkeley right it's all about who gets the front seat who gets the back seat so she she you know she opened the door and asked where I was headed and he says Stanford right on there the sign they were holding up and I said I'm going to Palo Alto I could drop you off oh great and she jumps in grabs her stuff jumps in opens the back seat up for her friend who's standing there looking at me long and serious about whether or not because I could tell at the time she knows better than to get in single adult it's a coupe a instead of a four-door car so she cannot get out other than through the front seat so that's all the warning signs of not getting in with a single you know in that kind of a situation all of the things were wrong about it but when I drove up I pulled that little stunt of looking at my watch you know do I have time to pick him up and you wouldn't believe how much effect that kind of thing has and when she kept staring at me and looking looking for something wrong in my eyes I gave this look back like I don't understand why why are you looking at me like this I gave her that back and she says all this guy's a dork he's innocent as hell she gets in okay we're driving along and I'm looking at this young lady in the rearview mirror and I look back at it years later and I'm saying she kept looking me back - right in the eyeballs I'm wearing dark glasses but they're not totally dark and I'm realizing now that she could see me looking at her and she was looking right back at me and instead of saying something to me like what are you looking at or hey maybe I ought to drop us off or something like that she just kept looking back at me and I'm looking at her and she keeps looking at me I'm thinking she's playing this little game it's it's not really teasing so to speak it's just this little psychological game back and forth that men and women do sometimes the young girl in the front Anita was at one point in the knee and the driving and I'm sure they were doing little looks at each other and little comments that I didn't pick up because I'm driving and looking for places to go that somewhere in that communication she gave me this sexy little look you know like olive oil pretty good-looking guy you know about Anna and I smiled back at her but not this hungry I like to get down with your kind of thing it was just I smiled back at her and I saw it for what it was it's an 18 year old girl that's feeling her oats she's not doing anything wrong it's sad it's real pathetic but some of this stuff was I was getting real caught up in a squirrel in the back seat you know I was she was you know to me at that point she was really beautiful she had the most incredible blue eyes right she had this really shiny black hair that was turning me on and I was getting drove because I just kept playing this game of picking people up and I had plugged in those fantasies of killing and you know the titillating little fantasies mrs. G's I keep walking away from that and I put myself down as being weak for not being able to do something about that right so I kept driving a drive around myself saying I got to do something I got to do something about this how're you feeling why you would killing what well he said especially the first two which were very messy it was a shock that first time that horrified me I did everything stupid everything wrong if I were trying to get away with it it was just really really dumb the knife I fell back on that was a fallback position as trying to smother that didn't work and she was struggling against that and arguing with me about it and I got frustrated and I reached in my pocket I had that folding knife and I pulled it out and for a lot of years and I made a point of saying back then with the investigators when I pulled the knife out and locked it into place it clicked and she said what's that that's a quote what's that and she was kind of like on yeah and a geek anything what's that and I couldn't figure out why she said that like it's not that big an impact a little clicking sound behind her you know amongst what's going on and it hadn't been murderous up to that point it had been an aggravation and I was I had her tied up handcuffed and it took me years to for it to dawn on me trying to look at it from different points of view to understand these things why she said that you know why she said that because I had brandished this gun and I had cocked it once and it clicked so in her mind very possibly I had pulled the gun out and was going to shoot her so she said what's that and thinking I pulled the gun out now and I'm cocking it not realizing I'd pulled a knife out I still had the gun in my pants I stabbed her she didn't fall dead you're supposed to fall dead you're supposed to go all and fall dead I've seen it all of Mobius right doesn't work that way when he stabs someone they leak to death they lose blood pressure and you stab them more and more and more you complicate it many times by where you're hitting the pain you're causing and the aggravation of the person involved Plus whether or not the leak a little faster it wasn't working worth the damn I stabbed her all over her back and she even turned around a stabbed in the side in the stomach once why as she turned around I could have stabbed her through the heart but her breasts were there and had actually deflected me I couldn't see stabbing a young woman in her breast that's embarrassing I didn't say that to them back then I don't think I may have but that's humiliating to admit that that I was that affected by her presence I stabbed her in the belly that had to hurt worse I didn't do it to make it hurt I was trying to shut her up and she ended up getting her throat throat cut and I learned the term ear to ear what that meant because that's way it went and she went out of it completely right then she lost consciousness and died probably just moments after that but I just backed up out of the car my hands are covered in blood and I'm saying oh god I did it I did it I don't believe it I did it [ __ ] I done it now I got to kill the other one and we head toward the end when I picked those two girls up I said they were just like the first two like Mariann passionate knee to the chest who taunted me all this time and now two more just like them get in the car we drive up 13 and we get to this figure 8 cloverleaf interchange where it hits 580 and they want to go under the freeway back up on and head out this way and out that way I happen to know just a couple of miles down the road is pala Marus Drive where I took a needle to chesa man Tash and killed them Mills College is back this way toward downtown they don't think so they want to go this way I'm saying gee you don't want to go that way and I can't tell them why you do not want to go that way Mills College is this one well no we are we go there and we no words we live there and and we want to go as we're approaching this interchange I'm saying no we need to go in the right lane get up on the freeway and go downtown you want to get the left lane go under cross up that's going to be another step closer to you Diane because even if I don't go all the way out to Palomares Road up 580 if I stop where it starts to go out in the country and get back on the freeway that's where I used to work on the highways that's one of the places where it's a cul-de-sac you drive down there it's a very quiet street comes down up onto the freeway very sharply and they're dead if these urges take over and if I go that way it's not encouraging me to stop it's testing beyond where I want to test we've already gone beyond that with them getting in the car because geez it's just like those first two I was actually scared to death I was going to kill him and I by that point I had killed all of the coeds those two months after the last two and I'm seeing if I can pull out of it like like drinking or something or smoking and at the point where we're bickering if they'd started shrieking or banging on the windows I'm busted they're going to pull me over someone's going to call a cop or something and there get me and probably bust me on these other cases on a fluke and I'm trying to save their lives I don't want them going that way because I know Mills College is this other way they get scared shitless oh my god we should have got this gosh coroner getting all puckered up in the road and I said just bear with me be patient if I'm wrong I'll get on the turnoff we'll go right back around take you out your way but I know it's the next turn off of the one past it this way downtown trust me please and they're sitting like this and they could talk them into looking straight ahead and I'm saying aw [ __ ] guns under the seat it's all just you know whoa I get up on the freeway to turn offs Mills College fact the next one said Mills College next exit you know but they're not not relaxing or nothing I had refused to take them the way they wanted to go and pushed it the other way that's what scared them but they didn't know the irony of it was if I had gone along their way I'd have probably said yeah yeah well I just follow on through and hoops we'll do it one more time how do you ups human lives to you I don't know those two young ladies I don't know where they are today and I don't know that they remember that little incident but when I drove them to Mills College inside of Mills College to their college entrance right to the building to the dormitory and they got out of that car and flew up those stairs never even look back I'll bet they quit hitchhiking quite so casually after that but you know what I don't think they know to this day how close that came and the irony of it is just that just to shut him up and not have him freak out I could have gone the other way but by that time then we're going back up that groove of what I had done already and what I was familiar with serum saying and that day I knew I could not stop doing it I knew I had no control over it I had just minimal controls but mainly I could not stop it it was going to happen again and between that weekend day it was a Saturday or a Sunday I think it was a Sunday between that Sunday and the next Saturday all that week I was working I built an image in my head my mother's going to die I'm going to kill her and I am going to go to it with the police and we're going to hold court the street they're going to pound me in the ground and they can fill in the blanks because I don't want to be around to explain it all that week I just it was a conviction that just got deeper and deeper in me I got more and more morose I got less and less talkative at work I got more sombre about what I was doing because almost every minute of every day I knew that's what that next weekend held that was Easter weekend right worked half a day Friday went back to Santa Cruz Friday afternoon was drinking Friday night I fell asleep before my mother came home woke up after she came home and the last words we had were an argument right I walked into her bedroom to chat with her I was back home I'm not going to try and blame her for dying I'm just saying in the back of my mind I was hoping she could say something or I'd say something that could stop all of this [ __ ] a little childish hoping the back of my mind and she'd say something I just play it off my day but you still went with the hammer and wait a minute wait a minute you're wiping out the moment here I went in there hoping I could stop this stuff in the back of my head I'm not planning on it I'm just a little hope and the first thing out of her mouth was she's reading this book and she just flaps it down on herself and says aw Mike I suppose now you want to stay up all night and talk that was one of her favorite peeves when I come in late at night want to talk and once in a long while like that night I'd spun on my heel and said nope did I walk back out and she knew she'd hurt my feelings and the next day we'd sit down and talk except I knew that we weren't going to talk and I went back in my room and I laid down I did not go to sleep I laid there for for three hours four hours till 4:00 5:00 in the morning little after 5:00 in the morning and walked in there with a hammer I came to the side of her head and cut her through

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Length: 27min 0sec (1620 seconds)

Published: Sat Mar 26 2016