Drill Press Vises Galore Tips #441 tubalcain the hoarder

how would he yet once again this a tubal-cain your YouTube shop teacher welcome back shop and you know I'm just having one of my last cups of coffee here i'm all hyped up and ready to go now this video is not meant to be a bragging session if you think it is then turn it off and rather than discourage me on it be I'm just gonna Yap there'll be no chips made but I'm talking about my well it's not really a collection but I guess maybe you you could say that it is that I have 25 or 30 drill-press vices and I only need one and this was all brought about by my recent videos where I made the struck casting specialties vice and I brought these out because there's so many different designs and different sizes and what I'm gonna do here is just muse about them and elucidate the different types of vices that I have why I have them although that will make no sense to you but I am I've said many times a man with many vices so let's get on with it and I think I'll start with the larger vices so I can get them off the table now there are duplicates here - there's always duplicates furthermore if I went to a sale today or tomorrow I would probably buy yet another one man if it was cheap because I am incredibly cheap and I'm not about to pay any money and I and none of these were purchased new you know I don't ever buy anything new let me talk about the casting special date advice first if I can get it out of the way and I know I'm beating that subject to death but I think most everybody in the Western Hemisphere has seen these three videos where I built this vise but then in the follow-up if you haven't seen that follow-up video I discovered that I still had this Dunlap vise and and also I think I told you that recently that I had to go to the doctor and the doctor examined me and and then he sat down to the desk and says uh mr. Peterson I gotta tell you you've got a disease you got Dunlap - disease and I said why is it serious and he said oh I don't know how serious it is but I said what is Dunlap's disease he said well your belly done lapped over your belt rimshot well why am i showing you this this cheap die-cast Weiss this is ink I mentioned in the other video and you can see the injection pin marks there but this is a repetition really but this vise could not be any more identical to this vice by struck in appearance and dimensions they are absolutely the same so I brought that up in the other video which came first the chicken or the egg you know that did mr. struck copy this or did Dunlap copy the struck place I don't know so anyway I won't say any more about this but I've had several of these over the years and one of them was bent here it was bold if you laid a straight edge across the bottom here we're gonna straight edge I don't even have 100 rulers and none of my there was a great big bowl of there because someone had tighten it up so tight that they caused it to bend it was Bubba of course and notice that they they probably knew that was going to happen and provided it with a very very short little stubby handle where you could not get the leverage but this would suit somebody enough in a small shot that does some work I don't know if they make them anymore Sears often sold Dunlop tools years ago as one of their cheaper lines not the craftsman line off the subject and this will be a very very long video so I invite you I dare you to turn it off unless you want to listen to 45 minutes of gathering but both Tom and Adam booth showed one of these recently I've had one of these kicking around for a long time I didn't really know what it was that's black granite but I I believe that it just meant as a paperweight as an advertisement for this particular company here Mike flat I didn't know there was an actual use for it I just thought it was a desk piece and that's what the felt is for and the three or four times I'd darn near threw it away well enough on that that is that's a non-sequitur you see these vices in every box store they're Chinese yup now I'm taking words from a ve but I thought it was a pretty clever word but I don't like to steal his thunder it's a four-inch voice and it also woods and it's got an Acme screw kind of a nice handle on this so that would be suitable I think this is a fifteen or twenty dollar advice and it's got even replaceable jaws I I hate it myself but I just haven't had the nerve to throw it away I only have a couple other Chinese iam bracelet so I'll show those and then we'll move on to get these heavy ones off the bench er this is a four inch this is pretty much the same in a three and a half inch and that still got the price tag on it from when I bought it at a garage sale but you may remember this from another video where I did a job with it and these are tilting vices and when I got done with the job the the work was scrapped because this vise wasn't square or the the I frakked I forgot or maybe the protractor portion on it was no good so this is an absolute piece of garbage that this obviously didn't check it at the factory and they didn't care or they didn't didn't know any better but it really is a piece of junk that they should be ashamed of I've never checked this one for accuracy this has about a half inch diameter screw and this is larger probably five-eighths but it may well be metric too but if you want a tilting vise fairly cheap those are the ones you can get if you bought an American wanted it would cost a king's ransom I'm going to show you some more tilting ones in a minute sometimes you find these vases also on a on a two axis thing well I'm going to show you one of those later american-made though so anyway I don't like these this one definitely is going to a flea market or something or to tool sale I got to get it out of here before I use it again one other thing of this place they did know how to make it pretty they took the time to plate this piece they plated the screw in the handle so on the store shelf for the uninformed that is a place that maybe they had to have and it would have been priced right okay the ubiquitous Palmer in vice and I thought I had a bunch of these in this size but I don't I really only have one in the genuine Palmgren brand and it's a it's two and a half inch and this really is a wonderful little licen you use a lot of people modeled homemade vices or other companies copy this because it's such a nice one and I always liked Palmgren I'm not sure if they're still made in this country and here is the Vice I've had for many many years and it's it's Japanese old enough towards Japanese not Taiwanese and it's this is very well made and in fact is one of my very favorite vices here in the in tubal-cain shop but let me say a couple other things here about Palmgren and some of this stuff is a repeat I know it is I found that as necessary to repeat some things people do not go back and watch the older videos and I have constantly new subscribers new viewers this is a 4-inch ponderin that I told you this came out of a high school what I liked about it well what I hate about is it's beat up look at it's just drilled through and it's got a Acme thread that's a big plus a nice handle on I like this hex right here on the screw because one can use an Arkansas socket wrench to tighten it up and have more leverage than with this a four inch long handle affords notice in the design of this that the cast is such that there was no need for them to machine up against this surface so that would brilliant design probably the same thing underneath this Fix Joel here and that's why that drawl has an angle on it so that they didn't have to get into the corner and worry about that because they were making these by the thousands and this is a heavy vise and it's it's really nice in my many long years of experience in school shop I have seen kids this has got a humerus if it wasn't so pathetic drill through relatively thin work like this through the work through the vise and then through the drill press table so even though it's quarter in stock they drilled a hole that was a three or four inches deep and left a path of destruction behind them that is is still there wherever that drill process you know still got a big hole in it some of you may own this palm read milling attachment for your lathe and they essentially used their ubiquitous vise here adapted it for that so they didn't need to make a totally new vise part's been engineering is what I call it oh well this is the nice attachment I'm not really criticizing it I like this Palmgren vise and it's a little bit bigger than the other one it is three inches and it's got the lugs on the side so you can bolt it down nicely made I liked it so much I got two of them or I guess no I'll take that back I liked them so much I got three of them this particular one I can hold in the bench vise and do a small work on it and the jaws of course are not going tomorrow the work because they're smooth with jaws and those are nice they've never been that I started to say they've never been drilled but this one has a couple techs in it I didn't do it I didn't do it they pleaded this one and this one is not plated notice that this one is not cast with the Palmgren probably because they sold these other companies and they could put a decal on here craftsman or just about anybody that wanted to buy them as their own brand so I think that's why I'm deducing that that they took their name off of it and I do like the hammer tone paint you know the engineers at Palmgren or I should say probably the bean counters they were quite ingenious in that they essentially took the same vise and made it into a tilting vise although there is some modification there that is it's rough it's rounded here and I don't know if that was done yeah that was the it was cast that way so that's a nice little vise but what is not nice is that if I can find it on here oh they got a protractor on there but its bordering on the worthless because it's small it's too small the larger the protractor the more accurate is going to be so I would like to have a pro track that it's four inches in diameter but of course there's no room for that and it would be only semi accurate and get you in the ballpark you would use a a stearic protractor if you if you wanted real accurate settings now a lot of people copied that vise as well and here's one that is Chinese iam get the heck drilled out of it here even there you know how to get holes over there and this protractor is still small but it's applied in a different manner this cast iron and certainly usable and they pleaded that screw for some reason oh here's a here's a point I mean I'm trying to make some points there to that in this case they started with smaller stock the diameter here is smaller than the diameter of this and that there's still one other one here this is this says Japan on it so it must be pretty old but it has an ACME screw a large acne screw that's a big big plus and I'm not sure what kind of keeper they have right here because I don't see a screw most of them are held in with a screw and a groove like on that struck vise that I showed you I'd have to look underneath to see how that's put together but that's enough on these tilting vices I guess let's move on I guess I'm not done with tilting vices here I thought it was but I bought this a couple years back at a auction it was $15 more than I wanted to pay and really what I wanted I don't care two hoots about the tilting method mechanism I was going to take it apart and throw it away because this this little vise is absolutely darling and I wanted to use it just as a general it's inch and a half and I know that Palmgren probably made that one that small but I've never seen it Paul Graham had a come maybe still does a complete catalog with the vices and other workholding devices and rotary tables and things like that so they they aren't a one-line company they were pretty awesome I mean I guess they're still in business anyway I I never did take it off but maybe I will throw everything away except the vise because I don't do a lot of angle drilling and if I do I normally do that on the milling machine there's no brand on this know what that said but it's not the brand that's one of my favorite vices and this is my single favorite vise on the entire table although it's beat-up but it's probably 80 years old it's either Miller Falls or a Yankee or a stanley eventually Stanley bought Yankee I believe got the Acme thread I love the little ball ends there and it's just as cute and darling and just nice for model work and small work it is missing one of the jaw plates and someone said said well you're a snake one never got around to it the shoemaker goes with holes in their shoes you know here's two identical two and a half inch vices and they're made by Millers Falls or at least the one as marked as such and some of you may not be familiar with that brand but boy they they made everything from micrometer still all kinds of woodworking tools and yet they're long gone now notice the groove here right in the casting not in the jaw and it has a swing jaw so you can hold tapered work or straight work if you have our oven a mine but for instance here's ten degrees and I can hold ten degrees now I was at the Grizzlies store in Springfield Missouri and they sold a device to do this but it just fit in another book any other vise maybe it was a bench vise and they were jaws that would would swing like this they pivot so that's kind of clever I think that's a very very old advice you can see it's pretty dusty I doubt I ever used it this one's a little better I don't think it's got holes drilled in it I'm not sure what the mechanism is for that well both of these vices have holes drilled and tapped at first I thought when I looked at one of them that somebody had defaced it but some of these vices came with a stand and you could screw the stand on to the bench and then use this as a bench vise and some of those stands also tilted or swiveled and did different things but that probably was an extra cost but that's what those tapped holes are for this is also one of my favorite vices although if it's my favorite how come I never used it it could be screwed down to a bench it's got an ACME thread of all for such a tiny little device how why does it looks like it's about inch and a half yeah and on the bottom it's very cheaply made because that keeper there is just you can see how that's inserted without any machining in these little almost looks like a tea slot there that allows you to disassemble it oh boy what does that say on there can't really I cleaned this up in a cistern Syracuse New York and now I remember that name they were on other clamps and woodworking devices older stuff they didn't even machine the bottom of that that's just rough cast so this would have been a very very cheap place but for some reason I like it alright now this place I do not value at all and I have it really I had to go out in the garage and get it it's on my welding bench because this is one that I will use to hold metal if I'm welding but now upon further examination it's a pretty nice vise crudely made with the machining marks there that they didn't bother taking out but this is a nice place now I love these big balls now why am i spending so much time on this well I'm not just but do you know that probably I don't have the exact figure but probably about 80% of all the machining is drilling or in some way forming holes not all this on the drill press but you think about it the quantity of the holes that are that are drilled in any given product so drill holding the work is really important all right let's set that aside and talk about some other vices here I bought this at a sale last summer for a dollar and that's about ninety cents too much well why did I buy it it couldn't be any uglier it's homemade this is threaded rod here and not welded on and it really it's it would have to be cleaned up but I have no intentions of doing that and I still might throw it out but why did I get it because I thought possibly I should use this as a project and come up with a very similar device that is a fabrication a weldment for those that do not have a machine tool but yet have a welder and a saw and a drill so and I still may do that someday but there you can see the guide rods and that's a piece of tubing and a flat iron and you know what whoever came up with this was pretty resourceful and clever all right I know there were some ladies watching me either a loner with their husbands and they're making fun of me you know this guy is nuts with 30 vices well I dare you to tell me ma'am how many pairs of shoes do you have in your closet so this is no crazier than somebody that has a lot of shoes these are some of my favorite devices I think they're the cleverest they're called a speed vise by right there Cardinal machine company Glendale California and I believe you can still buy these they are quite expensive and this is a three-inch er and this is a 4-inch or maybe they made other sizes too I don't know but the thread is a buttress thread I remember them having this in a shop that I worked at many many years ago and I thought that was so neat so that's a buttress thread so you can just drop that into the nut that's a half nut is what it is that can quickly be slid into any position hence the name and tighten down you got a nice handle on it knurled you know they just went the extra mile on this and this one is you know there's no there's no holes packed in there should take that to school the kids that take care of that this 1/4 inch that's that's a heavy vise oh my gosh surely your sins will find you out I hope I didn't pay much for that but isn't that awesome [Music] notice that this draw is a separate piece and bolted on and the other bolt on this end apparently holds the half knot on and which could be yeah there's the other end of the bolt which could be replaced because that probably would wear the only thing that I don't like about this vise well a couple things first of all chips collect here and get packed in and until all of a sudden you're not getting uh it's just stripping out so you have to stop and clean that with the scraper one other thing is that there is no through-hole here to drill through so this is just inviting people to drill into it but at least they didn't drill all the way through and that's kind of surprising but you know sometimes you should have enough sense if you're drilling steel at at some point you're not getting curly shavings anymore you're getting cast iron dust you know that should be your first clue okay I changed my mind this is my favorite kind of ice this is a heinrich now you've seen me use a Heinrich Kraus drill jig many times and I like those jaws because they're step jaws that allow you to hold the work up high and again these are hardened rods so should you drill through the work there is a tendency for the drill bit then to deflect or possibly even break or cause sparks and then you realize that you're not going any place with that but that's a nice and these are replaceable jaws now how does the mechanism work you know I did take one of these apart one two exam wants to examine them but I don't remember it it's just a patented locking device that and they have used that locking device and many of their other products in fact you can buy just this piece here along with the rod and the handle and I think there's bolt holes in it that can be used in various other drill jigs that are used in the in factory so that mechanism itself has it sold separately so that that's awesome and of course I got that in two sizes I don't know how many sizes they make here's the four inches and this one's also in perfect shape there's the the mechanism oh I remember now it's adjustable with that little knurled knob there as far as the tension because you tend to want that when you're tightening your work to lock down all the way not be tightened maybe in that position where you can knock it and the work would come loose and this one came with the optional enough strength 'only yeah that optional hardened jaw which clips right in it and it really stays in there nice with those Springs that's it a quality product I suspect I don't remember that I bet this is a 200-dollar vise that's quite heavy Henryk put that on your wish list you know what I almost forgot to show this vise this is an Atlas product they probably sold it in the craftsman catalog years ago too and it's a two axis with dovetails and cranks and we had one of those when I was in high school in fact this is the exact place that I used not the exact model of ice that I used when I was a student and made that steward engine sixty years ago almost so you put your work in here and then these cap screws can be tightened there's t slots here and then this tightened a little bit awkward but then you had very accurate positioning for that and back when I did that we didn't have vertical milling machines so this in effect was giving the accuracy almost of a milling machine and their graduated dials they're in thousands although these are corroded and almost impossible to read and that is what is the subject if I could reach over here of a future video where I talk about enlarged aisles like this on my Atlas lathe but this is an Atlas product these are kind of rare this one is perfect because there's no holes drilled and when I bought this if you watch one of my real old videos where I bought that Atlas craftsman lathe this was mounted on the cross slide of all things by you know the former owner what what he was doing with that or if it was meant to be used on a lathe as well I don't know but anyway that's the Atlas let me show you just one more I should show you one more thing on this Atlas vise here do you recognize this that looks exactly like the cross slide from the Atlas lathe and in fact it probably is this guard looks familiar too and there is a protractor over here and I would never have actually cleaned this up since I got it I still got all that grime from the farm on it it was an unheated building but yet this is something I value for some reason I don't know why and then that'll sit on there the same look I just dropped one of the pins the same as the compound attaches to the Atlas lathe and goes right over that dovetail how awesome is that you know this is Wilton and Wilton makes a complete line of vices I believe still but I think that they're imported but remember when Jim Koehler gave this to me a few months ago and this would mount right on a drill press this is a very heavy vise I think they made it in a smaller version again two axes here with graduated collars and this is meant to be bolt down bolted down of course and this is I think a six inch vise this is brand-new Jim gave to that to me brand-new he said he never had used it and it was just in his way so here it is on my Delta drill press oh that's awesome thanks again Jim for that these vices are all what you call tool maker vices and some of them are homemade now this particular one here that and they were sold in pairs and this is a brown and sharp but it is missing the jaw and I only got one of them and it looks like somebody drilled a hole I don't think that was Factory but I wish I had a pair of the brown and sharps but I only got the one and here is a pair in the original box the starett box old enough to worse than not the red box but those are starett's and I do value of these highly remember that jaw comes off oak and it's held on there's a little ball there with them there's a spring in there so you can change the jaws and they're meant to swing like that so I got a pair of those in the original box that's awesome this little one did I ever tell you I liked steric tool that's the smallest vise I got and I suspect suspect this is a 50 cent vise or maybe even a boy's voice but it does come into scale with a little drill press like that doesn't it I've never used it here's a homemade one now that's a clever spin on holding a handle in there with the spring and the knurl there it's kind of nice there's only one of those and then there's another I believe home made at a man's name on it but this is one that I bought in a sale and then later on if you watch the video where I made a pair of these that's a several part video a couple years ago one I blued and one is just plain well I found the drawings in the book and if you watch that video you'll see the the drawings for that but upon examining this many years later I realized that whoever made this made it from the same drawings good as absolutely identical and they did a nice job on it that would be one mr. Herbert that made that I'm sure he's been taking his dirt nap for 40 or 50 years already because these were war training drawings and you can make a set of these if you want if you look back at one of my old videos a couple things became evident to me just recently and that is that there is an outfit in Ohio that's still producing these castings along with a drawing the identical struck casting so if anybody wants one of those because I had told you you can't get these castings well you can and there are about eighteen dollars and there's a website that's shown on the other video so I'm not gonna repeat that but then looking at these someone gave me a link and said hey you can buy castings for these so I did I've only had these for one day and I got those off of ebay from this man and I don't know if he has a lot of them or this is just a one-shot deal but there's two beautiful little cast iron castings for a vise something like this and matter of fact is 200 7/8 long and there is a drawing for he doesn't even have a nameplate in the corner here but there's the drawing and it came with the jaw now the jaw will be cut in two it's enough material there for both of them I thought that was clever and it came with a little package with two cap screws and although there's a set screw here and two of these and that is the knob I believe those are pressed on there and you got a knob similar to this of course you could make your own screw or two but these are cap screws and their you know that would make it a lot easier so check that out if you're interested because that's that's a reasonable price because when I made these I think I paid that much probably for a bar or a steel including shipping to make these and and there we got nice gray iron and a nice drawing so there's a good project for some of you I don't know how long this video is or was but if anyone is still with me let me know I wonder how many people actually watch the whole thing also if there's anybody out there from the Dark Continent that is from Africa any country in Africa let me know I have heard from people from South Africa and recently a man from Morocco of all places and you know I just am unaware that some of these countries even have internet service but I guess that there are a lot more developed that maybe than what I thought they were from the old Tarzan movies that I saw so did you get quite enough of my vices and have I sufficiently done this this a tubal-cain saying so long for now and thank you for watching see you in the next video you

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Keywords: heinrich, speed vise, drill press, vises, holding devises

Id: 893K8ZCWtS0

Length: 35min 33sec (2133 seconds)

Published: Sat Apr 14 2018