Dragon Ball GTFS Commentary | Episodes 1-3

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episodes one of them twice yes because for all of you at [Music] home oh my God I forgot that Mr Popo Japanese talks like this you know who also has to gather the Dragon Balls my mom I okay I was making an argument early on saying like you know what we have an English-speaking audience and I I remember not necessarily fondly some parts I remember fondly uh the dub of Dragon Ball GT which is uh to me all of the things that make it bad make it charming and enjoyable so so that was the angle I was coming from but you said how do you not love this that shall I count way okay so I wanted to experience the series in its truest form you know unadulterated by as much as possible because with the which with the original score without any mistranslations because to be frank I'll admit I have seen d a sub GT before I was a child and I hated it and As I Grew Older everything that I remembered from it and everything that I saw from it I was not a a fan so I decided that I was going to give it a real Fair Shake watch it beginning to end in Japanese subtitled and really come up form my own full opinion on GT that isn't informed by when I was a child because I think that's fair yeah no it's fair and honestly there there's parts of it that okay as somebody that only watched the tsunami run oh yeah which is already problem you you blew my mind very early on when you mentioned fact that oh yeah no they started on episode what 17 they skipped 16 episodes of the anime and just did like a bunch of like recut stuff to fill in the blanks yeah so what had happened was FUNimation uh I can't remember the year that it was released I think 2005 um yeah they were finally bringing GT to America after Z was ending and they had gotten the buzz the feel that people weren't cute fans of GT like in general let's be honest GT is very different from the original Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z but it is trying to be a lot more like Original Dragon Ball at the very start it wants to focus on adventure it's much more light-hearted there's less fighting so yeah one one thing we noticed very early on is that all of the characters seem to have been scaled down significantly yeah in terms of their power yeah FUNimation saw that and they realized oh maybe people don't want to watch this maybe people don't want to watch this initi IAL these initial 16 episodes which is the Tour Part Grand Tour like cuz we've uh so far watched through the first three episodes and they just went into space yeah like in in episode two at the very end they get into space and those first 16 episodes are a lot of them just doing a bunch of like monster of the week stuff from what I'm gathering cuz when we were I this is the first time I've ever seen the Dragon Ball GT opening like the full song everything like that that is amazing to me by the way and well yeah I again the only exposure I ever had to GT was Step Into The Grand Tour Grand Tour Grand Tour this is setting up for like a mystical Journey that this like from what I recall the show does not deliver on I would I would love to see this you okay you will see all of this and it's really charming and you were like yeah no that's what the first 16 episodes are okay yeah so like I'm I'm actually kind of down for that aspect of it but it it it almost kind of like immediately shows its ass uh with how like look we just want to get to a story so we're going to break a bunch of rules and these Dragon Balls have always existed deal with it yeah so if if we can get into the like show proper now yeah um the Poff gang finds the Black Star Dragon Balls which which have always existed back when commi and Piccolo were the same dude Y and they made Dragon Balls but they were evil they're even better they're the GT Dragon Balls yeah GT stands for greater and and they hid them deep deep within the lookout which by the way how deep also they're a top a bunch of skeletons who are are those old popos what the hell no no they aren't old popos they're just where popo left his skeletons right we we open up on like what is a middly kind of a cool scene of Goku training Uub and I guess they've just been at the look out for 5 years actually I don't I don't think they were technically at the lookout I think they were just there for his quote unquote graduation C his final test where they decide to like break [Music] everything our popo wouldn't stand for this which by the way is fantastic because in the original Piccolo is freaking the hell out over buo destroying the lookout in this wor Goku and Uub do it right away and it wasn't until we rewatched through in English that I realized wow Goku isn't really taking this seriously cuz he's just fighting UB at base level and he's like yeah you're ready to go kid buo was whooping your ass as like as a Super Saiyan and you're sitting here like okay oop you're good bye yeah no no it's it's I don't believe it I don't believe it you can't make me believe it's immediately kind of a cool looking it's it's a cool looking like beam back and forth It's really short but yeah it's a short but it's an interesting fight and it was it was definitely toy trying to be like don't worry there's still action there's not we'll we'll get to it in about 30 episodes or so maybe I don't know yeah I well if FUNimation is anyone to go by about 17 yeah um it's actually sort of interesting because in these first three episodes uh we're introduced to Pon yes who really kind of feels upfront like she's going to be action girl and it's and it's bizarre the way we're introduced to her she's out on a date with a boy yeah she's out on a date with a boy and it's nebulous how old she really is here you ended up looking it up right this takes place 5 years after the end of Z 5 years after the end of Z where she would have been like what three or four at the end of Z five I can't remember her actual age because when it comes in in the show she looks like she's somewhere like pre-teen 11 12 somewhere in that range which is actually also another problem because when the FUNimation dub originally came out they said it was 10 years after the end of Z which which yeah is kind of wrong it's a mistake that you can make and that doesn't bother me and at least at that point it makes Pan about 14 so the boy crazy nature of her that she seems to be exhibiting kind of makes sense to although like it's really her being boy crazy is kind of just uh a trait it's well I was going to say the you know anime writing in the 1990s for a young girl there's a lot of '90s stuff going there's a lot of 90 stuff also I hate how hard it is to just find the Roshi's fresh prince of B air glasses oh yeah that look is a look that is a bad look actually I like why those glasses I understand he he shows up in the city for no reason it's immediately grabbing asses the man knows what he's about man casual sexual assault sure is funny especially with his 80s [Music] Shades they even see even they find it funny it's Charming it's too for his penis to really work so what harm is it it definitely kind of seems like they were trying to update everybody's look in this and honestly 90% of the characters just look worse I'm sorry everyone everyone's designs trunks in the puke green suit uh and then when he's not in the puke green suit he's got the that's got the gloves and the shorts and look I wear shorts okay but he just he's not they're not working they're not shorts is a weird combo to begin with cuz like what are you cold are you warm what's happening uh but nobody suffers worse than Vegeta who just went completely off model there there's no way of talking about this without talking about Vegeta it's unfortunate because okay so mustache weird thing in terms of the production of GT is that the first episode looks great fantastic art across the board great animation second episode immediately looks worse they had another Studio working on it and it's not one of their best Studios to be quite Frank with you and that's the first time we see Vegeta with a G haircut the first time he shows up if you don't know that's supposed to be Vegeta I don't know how you assume that's Vegeta no it honestly it makes you wonder if like Mr are they trying to hide it or yeah well no if you see it and you've never you don't know it's Vegeta you wonder is that Mr Satan's brother did Mr Satan have a son that we didn't know about we get introduced to Vegeta in this we weird subplot where this these two guys are trying to kidnap bra I cannot yeah I cannot believe it's like you said by the way one shot of bra we get a single shot of bra in the first three episodes which is nuts to me Vegeta just didn't give enough by way that girl is technically younger than pun I know right but she like looks older maybe like I don't know you think do you think they pulled like a dragon balls thing like Bulma did or it's like I want to look 3 years older yeah they have a child hither to unmentioned it's like yeah whatever go away but yeah yeah like you said it's insane that in a show that is not based off a manga we have filler yeah it's filler they have like the the second episode is filler yeah it's literally there's literally no purpose to that entire suppl it does not fill anything out I think what I think it was was they were like okay we have Goku as a kid we need we need some hygiene with him as a kid cuz what happens is they end up mistakenly grabbing Goku after they mistake pan for bra but then pan flies away and they end up hugging Goku and he's like hey what's up and then they just you know they take him out to dinner and you know it's haha Goku ate too much for them to spend and they keep trying to make Ransom calls for Goku and everyone's like it's admittedly kind of a fun gag cuz bulma's like oh did he get lost tell him to tell him to get over here wait no you don't get it click and then he calls Vegeta we have your Goku my what what yeah you what what why would I want him which by the way click still weird to hear Vegeta he says Goku Goku Goku there's a part of me that just wants to be like he literally doesn't know what that is just hang up is that some kind of food hold on I'm busy looking at my mustache look I will say this honestly it like as far as the filler of this admittedly entirely filler series is it it was cute at worst they're inoffensive at best they're [Music] funny it's not even about the money anymore that it's about the principal it's about the principal a kidnapping people used to respect the art oh my go there's a scene first of all Grandpa Satan A+ A+ no notes I am all about him being doting Grandpa Satan yeah there's this adorable scene with him and sitting in a restaurant the waiter comes up he sets this massive like ice cream parfit in front of pan and a cup of coffee in front of Satan and then he just he just gets up and grabs the parfait and puts the coffee in front of her it's it's they they make no note of it it's just like that one's supposed to be mine y it's cute yeah the fact and and as a man who loves his giant parfet I approve of this and and the best part is like and it's very in character for Pon which by the way in the first two episodes I love Pon I just do she's she's like I wasn't a huge fan of like the oh my date abandoned me again by the way weak man very weak man who cannot handle a girl who can candle armed robbers agreed yeah but that being said while I absolutely love Pon in those first two episodes especially in this scene where she drinks the coffee and it's too bitter for her like it's I love that I love the fact that she's trying to be she wants to be perceived as more adult than she is but she's still a kid yeah put a plant in front of it something yeah honestly those first two episodes really nail that version of that part of our character unfortunately the moment at like at the end of episode 2 and all of episode three yeah cuz this entire time she's like I want to go out into space with you guys because uh you know the the Black Star Dragon Balls as soon as the wish is made uh which admittedly like it's a fun gag where P off's like I just wish you were TI like I wish you were a kid you J you jerk like he's just yelling at Goku this whole time it's like I wish we could go back I wish you could be a kid again so I could like at least try and teach you a lesson and the dragons massive ass red Shenron yeah holy wow Shenron is huge looking cool uh looking looking real swole there just like all right Goku tiny but then King Kai learns in heaven oh yeah it's like uh yeah apparently the world's going to blow up if you don't find those again also they're scattered throughout the Galaxy enjoy your adventure oh yeah yeah King Kai learns this which you mentioned in heaven so yeah I guess he like asked around there's Heavenly people out there there's other guys so he asks around he figures out that hey by the way turns out if you don't collect those dragon balls in the next year um Earth's going to blow up yeah any any planet that the wish is made on with those Dragon Balls goes boom and so yeah they have to get in the ship which they have to build a ship and Pan's whole thing is I want to go too I want to be seen as adult too I I want to help I want to help which that's great by the way I I just I got a note just get the Earth Dragon Balls and then wish wish the Black Star Dragon Balls to Earth yeah weal we talked about that while we were sitting there just like wish all the Blackstar dragon balls back to Earth just get the real dragon balls yeah bing bing boom this is so dumb but then you don't have a show I know but like then we wouldn't have to watch a shows I hope we cut to that shot yeah yeah no yeah yeah that's why they exist but God see new format what do you think anyway when pan immediately becomes insufferable is when she God they literally do the joke we did with Dr brief I mean I know this happened before but is immediately it immediately reminded us when when Videl says Don't touch don't touch that one that's the start button oh good you've now told her how to start the ship don't touch the start button that's the start button don't press the start button so Goku and Trunks get on the ship goten's going to be joining them but before Goten can get on the ship pan presses the start button and they blast themselves off into space and since pan uh in a gag was set up earlier kicked the ship out of frustration broke a piece off of it they lost a part of their ship and they go hurdling off into space and pan immediately becomes the bitchiest worst character okay yeah and two things by the way one why did they have to sabotage the ship they were already going to have to go to a bunch of different planets I I don't know I I honestly I thought I thought it was kind of a cute gag cuz like she kicked the inside of the ship and no no it's it's not it's not that it's not a cute gag but unfortunately you know what it does do it sets up that uh they end up on a planet which I am okay I literally don't remember this I bet you dicks for dollars the planet they end up crashing On's got a dragon ball on it which is going I mean because what happens is and and this is another bit of like FR like narrative frustration they end up crash landing on this planet this Merchant planet of like I mean I guess downtrodden people who are who immediately who are yeah so uing is suffering the uh super capitalism yeah clearly they've made first contact with other species because they don't care that there's a bunch of aliens walking around oh yeah the moment aliens show up on the planet they swarm them and and try to sell them things which by the way uh apparently they've got this alien money they have the currency cuz they were able to pay for the stuff that they got and they were able to get like a hotel room and like assumedly pay for the they racked up in there like it's it's it's like super capitalism is basically the joke of the planet yes like that's the entire joke wait hold on so what's the how do they have the money how did they pay I'm so confused where did you get the money [Music] robbery jokes on them Goku could probably get his money's worth He bankrupts the entire Place eats the entire economy [Music] dry all right well they have 10 minutes to resolve this that'll do yeah hell yeah yeah I hear your capitalism is pretty strong but are they as strong as my fist you cannot defend against Goku's communist fists H and also there's a dictator that Goku is going to go beat up yes but they also meet giru who eats the dragon radar yeah which you know that that makes sense like like like robot on the planet and eats technology to reforge itself I I can buy it and you need a mascot character honestly like guu as like G's design G's like part in the plot I I remember not hating even though he's kind of like one of those he does feel like a mascot he is a mascot character he's AB I mean he shows up in the uh what do you call it like the little in like the cut to ad break little stitchins yeah and before he's in the show it's like I'm imagine that Japanese audience being like who that but so I it's like we said pan in those first two episodes they set her up to be real cool and then she in immediately in episode three she's the worst she is immediately being really whining about everything it's like Grandpa this is your fault like you stowed away yeah and Goku even says it yeah that entire segment where she's blaming Goku her like trying to clean up around the ship and inconveniencing them just basically whining about everything and it and and like yo why why it makes you look back at what they did in superhero and be like man that's that's right that is the correct way of doing this that see it's sort of interesting because at the very beginning of GT I was like you know what this does sort of feel like like an older version of that pun that's why I was into it I was like yeah she wants to be an adult and she is strong and she seems like and she seems kind of how do I put this like I I really hope they come back around to it I I doubt that they do but I hope they bring it around somewhere like I hope there's a character Arc to this yeah it's just it kind of felt like they were honestly and I know this kind of sounds dumb but it seemed like they were trying to make a Goku 2.0 in the superhero movie um but have her be kind of smart like one like honestly a mixture of Goku and Gohan could be a fantastic character through Pon but in this instead we just kind of get a oh man I'm not looking forward to the next couple episodes with Pon because I know that she gets worse I remember that she just sort of gets worse in the next couple of episodes as somebody that like you know was exposed to the FUNimation dub like I I remember like a few things I remember the par para Brothers I remember General dildo I remember uh baby I remember Super 17 and Piccolo being trapped in hell and uh the shadow dragons yeah I remember a lot of things but there are funner details that I have kind of like lost over the years yeah pan is one of those characters that turned into a background character for me that I I have like little to no recollection of and I feel like that bodess poorly because yes because after after like the first half of the series basically it just becomes the Goku show again yeah it does and it's which I get it he's your most marketable character she sticks around she's still prominent throughout the shadow dragon stuff she's still there yeah but it's the Goku show yeah because he's got to get his win back brother Jack because like the initial idea with Dragon Ball GT was age them all like age Goku down pair him with Trunks and Pon so Pon can kind of be on the same level as Goku but yeah no that doesn't that just doesn't last and trumps was like was he a popular character in Japan like throughout the cell I'm going to assume he was he he must have been like he he was he was a huge fan favorite here in America despite the fact that he literally up everything he did yeah but the this trunks is not any character really it's kind of ridiculous like the first thing we see of trunks he's wearing this gross kind of like vomit suit which I don't think necessarily looks that bad compared to everything else in the show but uh all the girls are faing on him like d dude could slay if he's like you know looking for pulls dud pull he absolutely pull uh but he's the president of capsule Corp apparently at this point he's why would he ever see he he hates the job he hates it I don't know if like his mom is making him do it or what but he show he goes up to his office there's paperwork slammed on his desk and he just pieces the out they have this they have this little mini window that's on the floor like what is this thing it's like 3T tall and and it's like at Ground yeah it's just it's walks over to it just yeah just like zooms out which apparently he does this a lot yeah cuz his like hot assistant's like G that jerk left again yeah which this trunks isn't a character this trunks is like the most milk toast trunks that there's ever been he's the trunks that had this he's a trunks that's known very little hardship and also like he's not as cool as uh as original Future Trunks he's not as like cheeky or as mischievous as he was as kid trunks now he's just a dude and that I feel like that's just going to be his character moving forward which okay look I get it they're basically a monai trio in a way they need a straight man so they can have like oh you know the the rambunctious girl and and the and the stupid boy and like he's the dad to the like basically playing the Father Figure to the both of them trying to keep things from going too far off the he's the responsible one yeah which cool all right but why in the world would you choose trunks for that you know who would have been great Piccolo I wholeheartedly agree oh yeah okay yes having Piccolo there in like first of all cool now you have a character like who's very different and he's very serious yeah like he he he puts up with no he's not in the show for forever and let me tell you next time he shows up is the worst I I believe you because I only remember the part of him going to hell yeah is that the next time he shows up oh no so yeah look the reason we want to watch through all of GT and I know that we've kind of been all over the place in this we didn't exactly go structured I promise it'll probably be more Str it'll be a bit more structured moving forward but this being the first one it's it's it's hard not to go from like where where we were when we first saw it what we knew then and what we're dealing with now I'm watching episodes that I've never seen yeah and we just came we literally watched it and then sat down to do this yeah the visuals for the closings are stupendous like just gorgeous shot after gorgeous shot like the opening look great yeah like honestly it makes me really sad because the openings the opening and the endings are all bangers phenomenal like the every single ending is better than every ending that Dragon Ball has ever had except for forano so this is all fresh in our minds just buing around yeah I I I've never seen these episodes I've seen parts of these episodes cuz I remember Goku being turned into a tiny boy I remember them building a spaceship I remember pan launching it before they could but I don't remember anything about capitalism planet and that's a two-parter i it's more than a two-parter Jesus um sit tight for the next couple of episodes cuz it it's about to get weird and wild uh but yeah we wanted to do this because again we spent a lot of time talking about GT in the past on GT yeah um talking about how it's a lot of NE ideas done poorly you can see you can see any of our DB sers where we even mention GT which is few and far between admittedly but this is again like I said this is the first time as as somebody who honestly when I was younger I would not trust my opinion on most things that's why I'm looking forward to it as as an adult being able to look at it much more objectively yeah I I I will say I'm looking at this from the lens of like I know if I was watching this as a teen who had or a pre-teen I guess I can't remember uh who had just finished watching Z I know watching a bunch of this would been like this what's happening I want to watch you you hockey show now you never saw the original trailer they put out did you probably not funimation's original trailer is sorry guys but spicy [Music] The Grand Tour grand grand tour and it's like and that's how they introduced their version by saying hey the old one sucks watch our version with cool rap and awful background music it's it's like that though that's like we we talked about this it's it's the it's Charming bad it is charm at this point at this point it's Charming bad back then I'm guessing it was just bad but yeah well looking at it through that lens now it is incredible to watch what they were trying desperately to do with Dragon Ball GT the the background score is done by Mark menah the guy who did the music for the either the Jimmy Neutron movie or show I think it was the movie Son let me tell you a little bit about Rockets they're big people things son you you just can't go around playing with big people fiery flying uh things because that's what Rockets are and it is nothing it is not a score it is somebody on a guitar just kind of ripping through the episode it's very unbelievably boring yeah cuz we went back and we watched uh we literally watched episode one twice in a row in Japanese and then dubbed so uh do I have to go back to school now you never went to school yeah good oh God he watched he watched Evolution oh no and uh while I I don't have the same hatred for some of the performances that you do in the English dub Again part of why I have any fond memories of GT is some of those like dubb isms some of the odd readings some of the like weird uh but the music is admittedly much better in the Japanese I know I've been kind of shitty about the falconer team score but I think I have also over the last several years shown that there's I have much appreciation for its best stuff like the vulcano's team put together some really good music there's some of it that really hits cell's theme specifically the perfect one Gohan's anger which you know that's Gohan angers is good it's like there's there's good I have a I have a deep appreciation for Hell's Bells yes yes there's none of that in the GT dub score not a little bit there's nothing there there's there's nothing it's like Nathan Johnson's score although even Nathan Johnson's score has like uh some love by the way that's the score that they did for the uncut uh Original saan season like back when they were uh I I would have absolutely no memory of this Nathan Johnson is uh our attorney general he I can't remember he's like yeah no no he I can't remember what he's he went from making the score but he's in public office now yeah he's in public office now it's nuts even that score I would rather listen to than this it is so boring and so that's why like that's why I had to be like no guy we can't watch the dub I want to try and like GT I understand I I understand but it it'll be interesting moving forward we're going to we're going to keep taking like little bits and pieces looks at this uh in this odd little retrospective I I don't know man this is it's it's different it's different hey so like this is exciting because genuinely I can't wait for you to see the crazy weird that they do in this this is the this is the part that I'm kind of looking forward to the most the like the actual Adventure monster of the week what the before it becomes Dragon Ball Z but worse yeah yeah know it's uh I'm sorry I know it kind of sounds like I'm setting myself up for failure I know there's a lot of people back at home who are big GT fans who are actually looking forward to us giving it a chance and I promise I promise I am hey I'm I'm already speaking the Praises of the things that I enjoy yeah I mean again I lik to those first two episodes I there were a lot of jokes that actually worked for me we're going to keep watching I'm going to keep I'm going to keep having an open mind I'm going to uh enjoy seeing your response to some of these things as well like and yeah I hope that you join us for more episodes of this because I'm excited so we'll catch you guys next time on gtfs oh God I hate it oh this is why I do outros oh [Music] a

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