DL Hughley Talks Kim K, Kanye, Bill Cosby, and Kevin Hart (Flashback)

all right here we go welcome back thank you man welcome a rom in LA we drink it on a Thursday for sure you know that's what it is so I just finished your book I just finished the audio version of your book so I listened to you telling and the thing is the thing where I loved the most about the book is got to read a lot of audio books what you listening I listened to a lot of audiobooks you're right I listen to a lot of audiobooks you actually did this book in your own voice and and I had done two other books that I didn't do in my own voice yeah which is not as cool but I did it because this is a book that means more to me than I think that people write books for a lot of reasons I wrote this book because I felt like it was important to have a conversation that people wouldn't have and I think the only review this society the only way the society is comfortable is if they're doing something like we can all get together we're watching sports we can all get together at concert we can all get together at a movie we can watch some of the same TV shows here so it seems like the American psyche is we're more receptive when it's getting something it likes I understands or there's affirming to them and I think that's laughter and so it was important me too to write that book from the book from that vantage point it's called how not to get shot and other advice for white people right it's actually co-written by a white guy though it is well you know you have that white guy like I don't even care driver's license just actual white guy right with me oh just in case right I needed somebody to speak their language for me what does that mean like Brad go ahead all right tell me what that means okay and this is actually a third book it is my favorite right the first one is I want you to shut the [ __ ] up right how do I audacity of dopes is running America and then black man white house which was a New York Times bestseller yeah I don't know it was the first one no it wasn't but the second one was second was and with this one's striking so I I think they become different kinds of things to me like I didn't know I would like but I had to write but I had such a negative experience with Fox News and megyn kelly when I've gone on to talk about my other book black man white house she had started the interview out with me which it morphed in us talking about policing and she had mark fuhrman on the show who is the poster child for how not to be a policeman he was a disgrace to LAPD officer who lied and was brutal he lied so much he got a black man off for killing two white people so you believe the old you did it I do believe up but I didn't mean but yeah I do believe what they did it but okay so when they announce the verdict you thought he was actually innocent yes okay yes and for a lot of difference because I wanted him to be innocent I didn't understand the space and time and and I thought it was important I want to revenge so I can't but tonight I didn't for all I think that's what most black people most likely people that I speak to they've told me that they knew that he did it but they're happy that for once the law actually worked in their favor I didn't know that he did it because it my psyche my it'd would not let me I'm a lot like America right now I had to tell myself a lie so I can live a truth I believe in you I have to lie to myself like a lot of Americans have to lie to their self when they see a kid get gunned down by police officers a lot of Americans at the light of themselves when they see Donald Trump being a racist pretend like he's not so to that degree I'm a lot like a lot of Americans when LJ I had to lie to myself and not see what was present in front of me to to morph my reality what I wanted it to be okay and Mark Fuhrman was on the show with you on Fox he was and I had no idea was gonna be on the show well he didn't actually overlap I think he was on before you right right so you guys didn't actually speak no but I didn't know he was gonna be there right right and this was around the time that I guess what they did the the documentary the ESPN documentary well I don't know if that was like that was the first time actually saw mark Fuhrman speak my after after the trial was that ESPN thing I thought I think that you know I grew up in so a lot of things mark fuhrman did and talked about in the book that he was supposed to be writing they came out doing all that's right I went through your Los Angeles police was very violent there's still today the most violent Police Department in the country they had more shooters in the country than any other police tomorrow in the country they recruited white guys from the south to handle a [ __ ] problem oh they brought cops from the south yes yes it's it's not even the the the the I forgot that's a Warner Commission but we were under federal moratorium till 2011 2012 because I least part was so corrupt and violent we have a policeman that was so corrupt that 2,000 people got let out of court let on a prison sentence cuz he was such a liar and so you know we were talking earlier when I was 8 years old growing up in Los Angeles I grew up like any other kid I know my mother my father I know my street I knew that I liked ice cream I knew that I liked to run and play I didn't have any concept of what anything was so one time I'm walking home from free lunch from the free lunch program cuz we give free lunches and it was burrito days you know black dude burrito pizza and hot dog day forget it ok we're going to get it right me my friend are coming back to share pull us over they screech up to a halt they make us put our hands on the car eight years old and they answer this question about this cat that live in my neighborhood and we like ate I had no idea police were good or bad Justin and and I said the DA the hood is is hot and I took my hands off and this white sheriff leaned into me he said [ __ ] if you take your hands off this hood again I'm gonna blow your head off and I remember it being a smell on his breath that I could not identify too many years later I realized it was garlic that I smell garlic and I hate garlic anything okay and the significance of that is that that three weeks ago I was watching a boy in Chicago get pulled over by the police they put him in handcuffs he peed on himself then they found out that he wasn't the guy they were looking for and I went I'm I'm 54 years old this kid is 10 years old in another place thousands of miles away and he's going through the same thing I did and America thinks it's ok ok were there any other instances with police I have outside of that here's what I'll say about that I like I said I grew up and I said I remember this kid man he just got a see Y and we were we were hanging out cya is California and we were hanging out the liquor store doing what stuff do and these these sheriff's came up and they was giving us and he said if you this kid is just gotta hang up says now buddy he said if you didn't have that same brand on which all of us knew that Sam Brown was where they kept their guns and belts and and PR twenty fours and all that type [ __ ] if you didn't have it on that badge I'd beat the [ __ ] out of you and that white would talk slick to him and said you wouldn't and they got into a fight he took his belt off they got the fight and he beat the [ __ ] out of him and it was like Christmas fuzz so the cop actually took to this badge off took his badge and gun off and thought because he was an older dude this dude was 16 years old he gave him the business he whooped him so bad the other cops start shooting in the air to break it up cuz we wouldn't oh [ __ ] okay and then two weeks later this dude is dead in a dumpster dumpster always think it was a revenge killing yeah this is the prison I watch policing from you look at the Le the LAPD that was under federal moratorium you look under Sherman blockiness undersheriff are in in jail are waiting to be turned into prison for corruption what am I supposed to see yeah LA was an epicenter for a lot of right group that's Rodney King wasn't on aberration it was Saturday night right and and the thing is is that it was an oddity back then for someone to have any sort of video cam sure see these days I think kids are watching going oh like Rodney King like why is that so odd because everyone has a video camera in the pocket back then you had had to be in a sort of business to have your hand quarter yeah camcorder will probably cost you $1,000 right back then right so the fact that someone actually filmed and I think that like a night vision thing going on also the fact that they actually filmed this happened was a big deal yeah because stuff was I think really wasn't a big deal because America has always seen black people and people of color being brutalized in pictures I don't care if it's lynchings I don't care if it's immaterial the technology made the apparatus we view it from may be different but we've seen American black Americans being brutalized in in pictures and so and and generally with the same result they've been over 200 race riots in America and then they were started before they had phrases like you know black on black crime or before they had you know cam hop clan cams they were started for their grand juries because somebody does something to people of color everybody knows it's wrong they pen ten like it's not and people get frustrated burnish it down someone something an interesting meme the other day because you know you had the permit patty situation with a woman who called the cops because the kids are selling water with Oliver made then you had the situation in Oakland where the woman BBQ the barbecue in situation someone sent me a mean that said and I'm kind of paraphrasing but they said that calling the cops on black people and hoping the police will shoot them is a new form of lynching it's not it's the same formula it's the same formula it really is but I people want to vote Mississippi Burning is based on black people on the vote right somebody want them to do it but who who was complicit in murdering those dudes the police right Emmett Till gets murdered because a white woman called the police on him or called said that he he looked at in a disrespectful way who looked the other way so it's not it's not this is not new it's retro it's retro it is so the pretend like it isn't let's people who are now participating in this moment in history after yeah so it's a [ __ ] up it's a [ __ ] up situation overall South American situation American situation it is so American like people got mad at Colin Kaepernick for not warning for kneeling during the national anthem the national anthem wasn't even the anthem it was a poem by Francis Scott Key where he talked about in third stanza killing [ __ ] right so what America does is scrape racism off I would submit that there are no songs from the 1800s that black people were like I don't care what Jimmy crack corn okay what did he I don't get the ice cream right yeah I interviewed but we talked about the ice cream song right and it was the most racist song ever but everything so I think it was like an words like watermelon it is it is it come get your water on it right well we have now it's like even like as we do this interview the best thing for people of color to do is to pretend like they don't know what they know the best thing the worst thing that ever happened to American history was Google because they I know today we all celebrate our independence that we weren't independent 400 years but we but for convenience we have to pretend like it what we were and people will say why are you going back in time why are you going back in time but you said you you're celebrating a lie but you want me to present like I don't know it that's the thing well in your book you have a section about white people saying the n-word right and well you talked about how white people have gotten comfortable saying that and orders are the music and stuff like that and I've interviewed a lot of rappers and I talk about you know what do you do with your shows when you have like almost an all-white audience and they're singing along to your songs and using using you know this word that you're putting in the song and most of them are like yeah I'm not bothered by it you know it's if it's my song I'm not really trippin but you feel that that's gotten white people comfortable and actually saying I don't think why people need to be kind of listen they invented a word just for us it's funny how they try to ascribe it to hip-hop to the language we use nick has been the American American lexicon since the early 1700 hip hop been around since 1975 like what came first [ __ ] or the Sugar Hill Gang right but it's funny how they blame you for the [ __ ] they said anyway and I and I've seen well-intentioned people you're not repeating what I said you're repeating with your grandfather your neighbors your uncle said don't put that on me you say [ __ ] cuz you said it all the time well in the book you said who should be using the n-word and you said nobody should say it no nobody should say it but nobody should kill somebody nobody should drink nobody said there lot of things nobody do but they do because you use it in your own way of course I do okay but you also what I thought was kind of an interesting point where you gave some alternatives some white people to the head word right thug right ghetto right sketchy which I which I haven't heard before was you know urban right and ethnic ethnic and and and and welfare King welfare welfare King and super-predator that there are all kind of ways to say a welfare queen I should say there are all kind of ways that say the same things they've been saying now the only reason I'm insulted by this entire conversation is that we pretend to be more genteel that we are then we are that's the only way and I'm a soldier so you just like it all out in the open it is all out in the open except is behind closed doors like the good if you want to know Chris Rock said the best thing and it's so apropos he said there's a new app that lets you know if your your friends and neighbors and co-workers or racers it's called Facebook but because I don't care what you do if you let people have a curtain in front of them in other words I don't care if it's an avatar that guy says everything picture is I don't care if it's the Oscar committee or a grand jury it's generally going to be pretty racist the result it's generally gonna be pretty yeah social media some interesting [ __ ] man I mean like the amount of people that have told me they wish I would die and you know I wish I'd burn and yeah my mother gets raped and stuff like that no one's ever said this to my face no but they feel very comfortable they have they just pretend like it wasn't in oh right the anonymity is it is it is it is more of a truth serum than alcohol I agree 100% in 100% well you talked about in the book about white people liking white black guys sure okay and you think you brought up with Ben Carson sure name me a black guy that white people like they will ever have a street or a stand right because Clark's not going to get one no they don't and you'll never see all those guys all together in other words once you've had your season of being the [ __ ] dujour they're done with you and they are on to the next one Clarence Thomas is not gonna celebrate last Thomas wasn't a front to Thurgood Marshall Thurgood Marshall wrong one so many cases right from the Supreme Court they didn't went man you hear all the time I will give you a job right cuz thurgood's got schools named after him is God he's very celebrated yeah very much so Clarence Thomas if he didn't take a picture with the Supreme Court justices they would say he was a negative photo on that picture I mean in fact did you see the Thurgood Marshall movie sure I was kinda disappointed well I'm like with with with the history of this man of what he's done they're going to focus on this one case about a black guy that with a white girl is America has to have the amount of blackness they can tolerate it has to it has to have the proportionate amount of blackness that's appropriate with their tolerance level it was just enough for them right we had enough [ __ ] right now that's it's just true and it's it's hilarious to me yeah like I said I was really watching this movie hoping I was going to learn more about Thurgood Marshall I really did not learn very much how because you have an industry that needs to make money and they pretend to be it store they want to be historically accurately they wanna be socially relevant but there but I still gotta have people going to movie theaters buying something that they're necessarily they what I know about society in general they don't hear what they don't want here the only reason FoxNews exists is because all white people want to have their perspective reaffirmed if you were I'm if I were a vegetarian and I only ate one thing or a vegan I ate one thing or mediator and I meat-eater and I'll make one thing I'd be deficient another thing you need a well-rounded balanced diet you need plans you need proteins in it and and and and if you're getting your source of a physical nutrition or spiritual nutrition or mental nutrition from one source you're deficient in other sources there are people who refuse and this is this is people a liberal and people are conservative people who are hard right a hard left if they're getting their their their information from one source they can't be a well-rounded human being because they only have their positions at apply well why don't you go on Fox News anyways you know what you were gonna run into because I only only cowards play home games okay only cowards play home games all the time you want to go to an away game yeah you got no no to be great you gotta win where you ain't supposed to okay so you go on the show and you and megyn kelly basically basically get into a store here's what we do know he had a permit to carry done when you get a permit to carry a gun they tell you exactly how to act when a police officer we didn't threaten the officer that you wanted to give them a presumption of giving them presumption well the law gives them the present happenin although we don't result in the facts I know we saw this happen with Michael Brown in Ferguson and we're still know the facts there we have a little sellsword we got a grand juries were no we have the Department of Justice's work the Department of Justice shut down Ferguson Ferguson had to be set down because local rep of Justice found that the that the police there had endemic racism they found that right but they also exonerated officers that's not an end a photo shoot was a limerick yourself and that never brown well be aggressive well here's what else don't well me don't tell me not the well now I can find I can say well if I want to and I okay you may found I'll tell you this they found systemic racism right so it's unbelievable it's AMA they also found systemic Grayson and we know that Darren Wilson Wilson left the department because it was so racist it had to be disbanded and with the Ferguson another department they have that is rife with racism slavery absolutely you know I have no problem drive no problem officers gun and you can try that is that is no one has proven that listen it's funny to have a white woman trying to over talk to a lotta men to a black woman all this come on you're like work I gotta do this just to eat but you invited me to you there's a certain amount of decorum you have to have and I and I and I and I am respected for the fact that I'm in your house like it's all kind of psychological stuff her chair was higher so I will be lower really oh look at it okay oh gee I'm sorry that all these psychological things happen because people want a certain effect okay and and and and and I was literally there to talk about the book and my perception of policing and you start this conversation out with a discredited liar this to not only discredited he was a liar he got them all and he moved to Coeur d'Alene Idaho which is the bastion of white rain races you get that that's not he moved there so everything we thought he was he was now I'm not saying that that meant OJ was guilty or excuse me innocent but he still was every he was the embodiment of everything we ever believed that they would be and that's the guy you choose to be your expert we can't have an honest conversation well I guess this book was birthed from that you know from that Fox interview where I guess you know what you said was that why people like to give us advice like to give black people advice so often that you decided to write a book right all white people's advice right it wasn't that what if you just comply like if you comply if you didn't dress like a thug so let me ask you something you can't have these dualities this you can't tell me that you're innocent until proven guilty but then make the same argument that if you dress a certain way or speak a certain way you should be killed those dualities can't exist don't break the law well if I'm innocent to proven guilty why is a cop administering justice those dualities can't exist if you're telling me we're a nation of rule of law but you you blunt that long to get under it and turn the other way when it doesn't work out like it's supposed to then we don't have a rule of law you shouldn't address this way he says shouldn't spoke this way you shouldn't act it this way those are not tantamount to a death sentence but you're okay in it right because the book is very tongue-in-cheek it is it's very like don't move too fast or you might get shot but then again don't move too slow cuz you like it shot and don't don't wear listen to this music but then again don't listen to this music and it's really one of those things where I guess at the end you say well the best way not to get shot is not to be black let me ask you something an honest question ok anybody watching this black people have been killed by the police in these matters since before when they were slaves they were killed this way right Jim Crow when you had no reason to fear them they were killed this way go out for 50 to 60 70s they were killed this way but no one being about to account what's the difference now if you're gonna answer me what is the difference now you've always said we were doing something then line up to your eyes so you could justify it because at our core we're still human beings on edge scream styles that we're doing some wrong so you have to justify he looked at me he talked to me he was disrespectful he didn't say boy what's difference between you saying that to me in the 64 and thirties forties 52 you saying to me he shouldn't have been here and she'd have been disrespectful she thought what's the difference I mean there's more cameras now that's it so now you could actually see for yourself I mean and nothing ever changes right because you know the body cameras really haven't made much much of a difference what's the difference between if I see we once fought Lando can still get murdered we watched it we watch Tamir rice get murdered we watched it John Carver we watched it so so the very reasons they murdered us before are the reasons they murder us now except we get to see it in high-def and I just I think the only way I knew two sways that kind of anger in tonight b-negative was to write a book that lampooned this kind of conscious idea well you've talked about how Marvel is gonna get a lot of black people killed yeah Lucchese bulletproof [ __ ] come on now they already think we bulletproof like biases exist right Black Panther is bulletproof - we got a bulletproof suit on the one black the one power that black superheroes need is the ability to make white people believe them believable man that right right right right right okay look look look if there is a black suspect in a crime and they have him on videotape that prosecutor will walk out say it's all right here in black and white you see this videotape he's guilty and the jury go well I'll see it right there if there's a cop that does something they do something different they go we don't know what happened before this video start running mm-hmm so you get the benefit of [ __ ] you can imagine and the most dangerous thing for black people to live is in white people's imaginations not the world you are in front that's in front of you the world's dangerous place for black people live is white people's imagination do they imagine something else work man a lot worse a lot worse than what it really is the world world I can handle how is it that you can conjure up you shot him up in Sacramento but you tell my Chicago and black on black spot that's your imagination you in staccato you a sacrament how the [ __ ] that guy what the guys are doing in why are we missing in Chicago when you shot him in Milwaukee or you shot him in Texas or you shot him in South Carolina right cuz you talked about in the book we talk about black on black crime but the reality is is that people get killed in their neighborhoods their vicinities so if you live in a black neighborhood you'll probably get shot by a black person if you live in a trailer home you'll probably be shot by a white person let me add some ethnic cleansing is what people of that region killing other people's in that region right that's what happens when you when you you kill the people your mind now they might not be the same religion but they set your people right there in your ethnic group if I did something or if something happens to any member of my family would they talk to first the members of my family you know why because a lot of crime are committed between people who know each other so how do we get this special designation that we're more inherently more even more different it is a designation needed to give us I think the most dangerous spring phrase I've ever seen is not [ __ ] it's black on black crime who was that because that that's a marching order that means we got to be handled differently black people killed but black neighborhoods are not inherently more dangerous because they have black people in there more danger cuz they're black poor people show me a safe poor neighborhood black white yeah it doesn't exist that's right so what that's right whenever you have a poor neighborhood of any sort you're gonna have drugs you're gonna test violence so why do we not not not not any other neighborhood get a special designation cuz you want to do to us what you wanted to and you and you co-opted us into believing that we're inherently more evil or not right because I think one of the things I kind of dug in your in your book was um I guess the way people are described in courtrooms or where if it would be a criminal and he had a drinking problem he'd be an alcoholic but if it was a cop he'd be a wine connoisseur that literally I literally had to stop right laughs you said wine connoisseur if you look at if you look at professions cops are pretty violent right we have high drug roots Hayek race hike a little race high abrasive of domestic abuse perper profession they're the we believe I'm not saying all cops are like that but profession it's pretty hot and they go once look at all the things they see all right that's okay I'll buy that so all the things they see have made in this thing but those are the people you believe right I mean I've always felt that the American criminal system and and the police system is very much backwards sure you know I remember I interviewed Shaka Senghor he was you know that is of course okay so you know he spent you know he he murdered somebody and spent a lot of times where isn't wrote in New York Times bestseller afterwards and he was actually because I was speaking to him afterwards about 60 minutes had done a special on German prisons and he was actually involved in that I found out as we were talking and it talked about how SEOs in a German prison had like three years of training and people weren't treated like the enemy in the prisons like you know people had our own rooms people had their own television sets like you know and the cops were you know I had years of conflict resolution and stuff like that this is not how American prisons are know it's you know the prisoners are seen as or looked at as the enemies and the CEOs are looked at as an enemy as well right and you have a situation where it's basically a battle in these places and CEOs and cops are essentially the same type of sure profession is listen why is the alternative me saying this anyway you don't want to be pleased I'll leave it to you like why can't I have I love my children but if they did something wrong I should be able to give them the spirit discipline is all about love right it's supposed to be about love and correction and and sending somebody to right so I'm actually improving the situation it actually is right that if our guarantee you and we did this for the book and what was interesting there are people who are policemen who are probably not good policemen they haven't done well they haven't tested well they haven't trained well case in point the the policeman who murdered Tamir rice a twelve-year-old boy mm-hmm and independence Police Department I got a toy gun the chip Myers had a koi gun yeah that cop was a policeman independent in Independence Ohio he was so such a bad policeman that they said he was that no amount of training could make him a viable cop he resigned months later he's on the Cleveland Police Department mmm he's murdering an unarmed black kid with a toy gun just what happen recently in Pittsburgh the cop that shot the the rose in Pittsburgh January got further fire for being brutal and a liar higher ninety minutes later after being sworn in he's killing an unarmed black man so I believe that white people have an experience with police officers that's different if you're in a neighborhood that is more affluent more your singularly athlete we have this type of people here your policemen are different you get the Army Corps of Engineers people of color get the Marines yeah I never had problems I grew up in like uh I grew up in the suburbs you know in a white and Asian show neighborhood I didn't really have problems to please wait I didn't really have problems the police until I moved to Brooklyn actually that's what I started getting blown again scarred and locked up and that's a bad thing yeah so it's I understand you entitled to your here's the thing I never understood about society in general we are all a sum total of our life's experiences I understand it but if you believe your experience are the pervasive experiences then you're you're misjudging yourself you could be a white guy in the sub girl and never had to go through that and that doesn't discount your experience but make allowance for the fact that I'm not a white guy in a suburb and that they do look at me differently when you we try to make every city every exhibit what I think society doesn't general is they can't do that to him they wouldn't do that to him they didn't do it to me but but but realistically you know we don't have the same we don't have the same optics you know same Drive I mean you compared it to uh big air airline pilots in the book where I'd hate when a police officer does something [ __ ] up they say it's a bad app right and it's almost not considered a big deal right but if a pilot crashes a plane right it is a consider a big deal and I don't count me listen you know you think you said all planes matter or something like that what's funny about that that that our analogy is that there are a few bad apples those bad apples are generally concentrated in my neighborhood they'll kick them off the force because you need brutal [ __ ] you just need them with me you you I guarantee you if you look at police wreck here's the thing we don't even want information we don't even look at police shootings we don't look at how many people are murdered by the police you know why because we don't want to know because there never be a call to action but I guarantee you if you look at the records of police from the police suburban wealthier neighborhoods and the records of people that the police urban it I guarantee you they have shouting records you're not gonna let it do that did police 135th and Avalon police Beverly Hills you're not gonna do it because you don't want that dude [ __ ] up your reputation with these people have you heard of Drake's new up I have not okay there was a jay-z line in it where he said y'all killed X and let's zoom and live streets is done yeah you heard about this line yeah so he's talked about xxx and Tasi own mm-hmm who got killed in in South Florida shore and Zimmerman's still walking around sure number one what do you think about the xxx killing I think it is it is a sad case young men meted out violence another young men for all the wrong reasons and I think that it is an example that people will point to but they won't point to an example a young man in Santa Fe that's the high school in Houston of a young man killing other young men well when this happened a lot of people start tagging me in on Twitter because I had done an interview with busi and he talked about how he actually had to move out of Baton Rouge because of all the hate he was getting in the city both from you know his peers as well as the police to him and he started talking about how most rappers get killed in their own city it's crazy when you say most rappers get killed in the city I started thinking bankroll French got killed in Atlanta changed drugs got killed in Queens we can go back whoo soldier slim killed in Louisiana big al killed in Harlem the begin to POC things they were traveling at the time but everybody else Oh Jam Master Jay was killed in his own studio in Queens right right it's facts man is not what I'm speaking is facts you know those are the guys those are the guys who want to hurt you those guys those guys who've been looking at you your whole life and building up Envy they build up Envy so when they can't do nothing now they can't they can't stop you from getting money you don't want to be their friend or associate you can't come in a crew and get any kind of money they're too big for you to even try to beef wit so you know what I'll just take your life when the xxx and toss the Olin thing happened it happened in South Florida shores in his hometown right and on the same day Jimmy wopo got killed Jones Pittsburgh in his hometown again but that purports said that who did Jesus get killed by the Romans killed him but who asked for that who signed is one his people so I there is an argument to be made a prophet has no honor among his own and that's consistent and what I kind of not disputing the facts but will say this that that is consistent across all numb when that guy goes to Nevada at to a country concert he was country movie lover lover and guns down 59 people he killed his people right did he well they didn't ascribe it to anything other than a man okay got to be a madman one white-on-white crime it wasn't yeah I've never heard it described as why don't I command man they did and so they're terrorists there's this narrative that exists they dude they shot up Orlando that the club in Orlando I guess he was a a gay guy a gay guy shut up so I I don't think it's inconsistent that this thing happened where I draw the line is that they try to make this 10-year connection tenuous connection to color in these levels of us you talked about Kanye sure before when you saw the interview with the slavery cops where he said it was a choice or what did you think first I thought that was the first black man I've ever seen put an Astrakhan slaver yeah I've never seen a black man do that before and I've seen black men have mental problems I see slavery I mean a streak means yeah but you know Barry Bonds hit all them home runs but you know yeah they one is uh he was on steroids so does it right now right yeah they won but it was a short it was a strike shortened season so an asterisk I've never seen a black man do that right and almost reminded me of kind of Mel Gibson thing about how the Holocaust didn't really happened right but just Mel Gibson wasn't Jewish and say that right you had a black man now I've seen people tell me this slavery wasn't as bad they just haven't been people that I liked everybody who said it before not that I just [ __ ] through Kanye because I think I thought what you got black people tell you slavery wasn't as bad as they make it out to be I've never had anybody do it right that's what I'm saying I've never had no I've never had anybody that you you'll never find being conscious that people that politically opposed to do that he put an astronaut's of slavery when you say [ __ ] like you know slavery was a choice well I guess Harriet Tubman was just a travel agent mm-hmm she would like leading people to freedom she was leading them to their being be right and to me that disqualifies me from ever [ __ ] with you again you can never do that to me let live you could say whatever you want about me when you make racists happy by the since you said [ __ ] you you know what I found interesting about this comment was if you go back to I think it was Jimmy the Greek yeah you know I'm talking about yeah sure he made a comment on television that black athletes were superior to white athletes because of slavery and because of the scoffing right right and because physically they had to survive more things and so forth and he was banned from television yeah but he may eat made an uncomfortable analysis to talk about Jimmy degree listen black people whether people like to some that were chattel right what do you mean chattel they they were there were no more than livestock did a lot of people and if I ever have a livestock in other words if I have a livestock that can withstand this and a livestock with this straw I breed them together to get a result and black people were bred that's wearing slavery you know he told us through that what China said that was different was that black people chose this for 40 years and I find that for a couple of reasons the black people that didn't chose us the dumpsters in the ocean they slit their kids throats [ __ ] that they stabbed himself to death or committed suicide or not with it with the sinister people who the chose to go through all of this to be here you tell me how how oh you know if you don't make a certain choice you a slave but you had cosmetic surgery because you didn't feel good about yourself how the [ __ ] could you tell me and then you got on dope well it was a bigger slave than somebody in these days after your mom died from having cosmetics that's right so don't tell me about how what you meant what you were came out of your mouth was an insult to millions and millions of people and if those people hadn't made the choices to be here yo ass wouldn't be sitting on ignorant is it and I don't give a listen when you make white people write racist feel good feel good about themself and go see [ __ ] you forever I mean it right well what I found interesting this is why I brought up the Jimmy the Greek situation was that Jimmy said what he said and I felt like what he said was not nearly as offensive as money said America does this we get rid of the thing that we're looking at as opposed to the thing we should change okay but but my point is is that people were upset with Kanye for about a week people went right back and his album dropped everyone bothered me it was it was right on top I know not you but in general and and I and I would say people still wear sneakers and I've been to say you ain't gonna say like black people my [ __ ] said it it's not like like food here's the thing if you make an album good enough for us if we you make us feel something we will [ __ ] with you and that's what he did the first three four I was with like this dude is on some [ __ ] that he says [ __ ] if you that's how bad we need to feel good if you make I'm gonna black people make excuses for you or you ain't him in a sense his mama died like black people made excuses for our Kelly oh yeah I know he peed on that girl Chris Brown yeah we'll make excuses for you as long as you have some hit song well I've always said that a hit song will fix anything that's right except this now it'll be I guarantee you he'll do well but he don't need us no way like he has a pretty big audience it's pretty diverse so he doesn't need us anyway but for for me there are certain things you can't do you can do whatever you want to me I'm in this business that's the game that's the price of doing business but it's urgent you can't do to me and ever [ __ ] with me again when you make people say racist even white people who weren't racing when wow that's really racist the only people who felt like that were like oh we'll see it ain't that bad yeah I've actually compared it to telling someone who has life in prison that they're staying in prison cuz it's a choice right it has nothing to do with the guns or the barbed wire or the bars it's you're choosing to be in prison well you are you could either stay in prison or you trying to escape that's right right so so he was right in that that there was a choice but those choices that our ancestors made he is a result of those yeah he's a descendant to somebody who chose not it who chose to be a great who chose us salvation right because West was the name of the master that owned you that owned one of your descendants right and you say that your people the ones who who seeded you life made a choice I'm listen he I think he has made some great music but I don't know what music you said that - I don't know last time we talked we talked about the whole Bill Cosby short about how he called your radio show and sure guys got into it the show got pulled I mean well that the segment got pulled and so forth since that time bill has been convicted yes by a jury sure and he's now facing up to 10 years sure I believe he's wearing an ankle bracelet sure he fired his whole legal team he cursed out before they actually be a member of the trouble administration listen I think Bill car because we did a lot a lot of those I can't say for everything and I even knowing that I know that I think that jury I think that you talk to a district attorney this thing was settled now it's being tried in from today's prison from today's vantage point okay and I thought that was patently unfair and if we're going to do that I wonder how far we're gonna go back like is it 20 years 30 years 40 I'll be Harvey Weinstein is now facing life and pursuer he's got three new sexual assault charges but how far we're gonna go back are we going to back go back to Thomas Jefferson like like at what point do I does a more outrage well it should go back to the statute of limitations right that puts a connotation although if we're a moral country ultimately is this if Bill Cosby we have two celebrities right one black one white both work for NBC both the crews have sex sexual assault about dozens of women now the black ones going to the big house the white was in the White House so if I was starting if I were Bill Cosby I started y'all to mimic Harvey Weinstein down from y'all - but stop telling me how dedicated we are to righting a wrong when you allow somebody who did the very things he being convicted sit in the White House and you support it is is it's disingenuous at best it's a lie at worse have you ever had a woman accuse you of anything yeah of course let me be clear never of of taking something for some money yeah I mean I didn't ever drug in here buddy lies and [ __ ] pretty much work as good as anything you take but yeah I love I have been in situations where I've lied to people and told them I wasn't married before or told them I but do something I didn't later on do right well I had TK Kirkland on the show and he talked about how he's actually my mentor I wasn't one of TK Kirkland we talked about how a woman accused him I guess of rape that ain't him having me and he actually pressed charges and got her locked up for a couple years I leave town flat the owner calls me and says TK you got to get back here this young lady said you raped her now I fly back I talked to the detective breathing had nothing to hide tell him everything I gave him exact times of things went down and what people don't know I press charges against this this woman for lying because what people need to know in the state of Georgia if you get convicted on rape with 25 years to life damn that's insane so I had this person convicted and sent to prison because she lied on me and then he saw that clip yeah I remember I remember when the situation okay right I do but that rarely happens listen we just usually know no repercussions you know I'm saying like I could accuse your co-host of doing whatever to me and ultimately if it's not proven to be true there's really no repercussions and that's why it does it lacks legit it's not legitimate if if somebody did the most horrible thing in the world in front of you you would still have to take that stand and say this man did it mhm and you would still have to go in front of a Trier of fact and I think it should be the same with your reputation I think you shouldn't be able to lodge these personal exclaims whether there's perlis tonight without having approval you have to if some if somebody murders your family you'd have to prove that you're murdering a reputation you don't have to prove and and I just I think that now all of a sudden it opens the door up for people questioning everything they'll go well you believe that you don't believe the victim I'm not supposed to I'm supposed to find out what happened right my job wait to believe anybody it's your job is to prove to me whatever yeah and I guess what Bill Cosby they did so they did he's going to prison and he's going to prison and I think the Donald Trump saying he did it it's just a kin to look Donald Trump and Bill Cosby did the same thing Bill Cosby said he did it Donald Trump said he did what's the point what's the difference yeah you talked about before how you had a baby outside of your marriage sure and the boyfriend of the mother ended up killing the child or shook it or how old was this child nine months nine months old Wow so were you you had a relationship with a child and you were I was a scared kid I was trying to keep it under wraps I was hustling to pay so this was early on yeah it was very yeah okay and I was hustling to pay child support and I remember she had come to me and said if you don't put me on your life insurance I'm gonna tell your your wife what happened I decided that I would have one great with him with my family and that that Sunday I would tell them what happened because I wasn't going to make that leap and put them on my life support my life my life insurance and until I got confirmation that I'd gone to you know take the DNA test and all yeah and and so it did that was like a Thursday and then so in it was an Easter which would've been a Sunday so I decided I would I would go to church with my family and I would tell him at the church and getting ready to spend my last weekend with my family and my favorite wife is gonna leave you after that I'm pretty sure yeah so I that was a dumb plan in retrospect but so Saturday night I'm performing at maverick flats in Los Angeles my friend calls me says the baby's in the hospital he's not gonna make it and I remember praying that God would take this off me all that time I was like and instantly I thought two things my prayer was answered and it was the worst thing in the worst possible way he was answered here so I go tonight spit on I walk past a family and and he is laying there in the bed and I see him and I see her and her boyfriend and family and they're all staring daggers at me and I went to him and I tell him I'm sorry because I know I would I like to believe that I would have been a father I was scared that's no excuse and I'm not making one and I don't want anybody to think and make an excuse um give this just from a clinical perspective that's what happened so so I go home and it was the most the quintessential bittersweet moment so I go to church with my family I pull over to a phone booth I called the hospital and they asked me who I was and I tell him that was his father and they say he just passed and it was the same moment I got a hat plan in my head to tell my wife that I hadn't that what had happened was the was the boyfriend charged yeah he missed you yeah it was a long time not long enough no longer he's out so he killed a kid he's he killed your kid yeah he did did you feel a sense of revenge you needed to have [ __ ] a lot of thing I feel lousy yeah very sad what was this and you already had kids at that I did I did but it wasn't listen I felt that I didn't have the right to feel revenge because he wasn't I wasn't in his life and I felt that somebody robbed me in something and I feel right now that I it's it's something I think about every time something good happens to me I think about think about that sure how did your wife take that whole thing well my wife didn't know about that two years later where oh okay kept it quiet yeah cuz again I was a coward I'm not disputing it so years later the girl I had the baby with I just couldn't take it so a couple years later I just told my wife and back then you could go to the gate but I'll buy the tickets for 9/11 so you could just meet people at the gate remember that so I my family would always meet me at the gate so I had told my wife months earlier I get off the plane my wife is there the girl I had the baby was out there hmm and she sees me and I see her she sees my wife and I you I don't know what was on her mind but I got the sense she was like oh I got you now so when she can't when we walked off I walked up to him I mind I said this is the girl I had the baby by and my wife said I'm sorry for your loss that was that it wasn't it was there month years later it's Easter long so because never so then years later the girl you know it jammed her up to like it did me and but I wasn't a mother and I wasn't what every day with him every day and she started asking for money she needed some money and I told her my wife would have to take care of it because I couldn't sew her my wife talked and my wife started giving her money now here's the horrible thing your wife was giving her money years later and after the fact okay and so she the condition whether she could never ask me my wife would take care so my wife took it from my for my allowance that I never forgotten bags I don't know if she's still give it to her or not good but I know that I don't get that money she took a chunk out of the ticker check out and I can't go hey are you still I can give you that well you said when you were 13 you were dating a 23 year old I don't know why dating her I'm not going nobody lost your virginity no I lost first off to lose your virginity means that you were you wanted it now I lost my virginity at eleven but I thought I thought I thought and there was this girl live down the street to me and I thought that y'all just figured I grew up in the neighborhood nobody talked about your parents didn't talk about anything everything you learned you learned from cats in the streets mm-hmm so this young girl she's come around she's to drive a car and I was 13 years old I got in so so I used to talk stuff to her karate and all that kind of stuff so one day she took me home and gave me some of like oh wow this is not I don't and and and sexually it was just like weird cuz she would do some of it like I'm 13 I don't know what that is and so it was it was my first experience with somebody who could drive and had a driver's license but I never thought like I was like abused I thought cuz what I mean when she would come to pick me up all the Jews be like you kidding out of it again and then I get a car I'm gonna go well I interviewed a DeRay Davis and he said he lost his virginity at eleven to two ugly horrible 13 year old women yeah it was I guess friends of his mother 13 year old 30 year old oh that was 11 here my mother's friends who were mother was involved in a lot of stuff but I've had older women who thought I wasn't being parented correctly slightly try to take advantage of me and a lot slightly have taken event but you lost your virginity to two thirty year olds yeah the same time yeah too ugly if you were what was I you were how old 11 and I remember when he was describing it I kind of laughed because he was doing it at a comedic type of way and people just crucified me for laughing yeah I didn't I don't have that thing where I go I don't I never felt like and don't now to this day have the same assessment of people but they allowed to kind of feel what they do about it but I I was a cat talking [ __ ] she took me up on the offer there you go and I wanted to get out of it as a comedian right it's interesting to me how you know comedy is a very integral part of society sure it always has been right and when you look at a snapshot of society you could say that well comedy has no rules you could say whatever you want but the type of comedy that was done in the 80s for example like Eddie Murphy sure the [ __ ] ass [ __ ] right type stuff you can't really say that today sure you can remember how Tracy Morgan said that if his son was gay Tracy Morgan is an example of society trying to bring us to heel and I think there has to be a place where you go to hear something profane and profound that isn't listen when I do a show I am doing that show for those people who paid to see that right so if you take that show and so if somebody wasn't there they don't see the whole night I don't see what happened it's what out of context right I'm not gonna explain that joke I told you somebody else to you you get it I don't get it and literally [ __ ] you if you can't take a joke I just don't I don't I don't I don't I don't subscribe to those societal norms because I know you don't what you want is a trophy and a notch on your belt as opposed to making society better and comedy has always made society better Mark Twain from Mark Twain - Lenny Bruce - - Dick Gregory the Society's always held a mirror up communist always held American Society and they haven't like it's like a it's funny now it's like a fat dude looking in the mirror and being mad the mierqis effect right cuz I had Lavelle Crawford on my show he talked about how his dad was gay it's not their dairy and you know he kind of talked about being scared of the gay mafia and he was saying how try first-years trap was yeah young ladies try to dig out you gonna find a good dick out there try it try one before your ass start you know it either but I don't you know I wouldn't want to be gay because I feel I can't be gay because I you know I love hotdogs by eating in the middle honest I'm never eating I never go straight in because I thought you know but but I'm not being me to homosexuality because he they did like I said that my fear out there you you eat this world then they didn't make this politically correct [ __ ] where then you start accepting things that except we haven't learned to live with each other as people now you want to throw this [ __ ] on top of it so I got a look at my work this guy over here switching his ass wearing live kick and [ __ ] and I got to go through that [ __ ] I mean back in the day you know homosexuals gay we laughed about it we moved on they was comfortable they were stronger nothing if you gay you you get [ __ ] we just like anybody else and the backlash was intense I don't care he had to he had you know he had to make a statement and somewhat apologize and so forth I would I apologize to you for telling a joke yeah that's how I look at it I'm not gonna I'm a man I did this thing about Caitlyn Jenner and then everybody got mad at me listen I don't I don't really give a [ __ ] about you and what you think is funny you could say well you ain't funny no way well you know what maybe but I've been doing okay for thirty years your assessment of what you think of means not not my business I'm gonna do comedy the way I do it until people don't pay me to do anymore hmm pretty much those people pay enough I would tell you take my dick but you gain that would be weird so I don't care like I don't I cared that I when you you I'm a natural human being and I and I and I naturally would have but I'm not gonna let you bully me into it like we do this thing on our radio show and there was a there were two guys originally they ran on a boys track team in the right in the in the winter in the winter summer or in the spring and they cuz Connecticut you could you could you know transition so then they ran against the girls later on and they kick their ass but they were allowed to take performance-enhancing drugs they were allowed to take hormones because if you're transitioning [ __ ] that's not transition and that's doping mmm that's that's what that is yeah I'm trying to transition to a woman well I'm trying to transition to a star linebacker if I was Mary bonds I changed my name to Benita and get my titles back right hey hey there's Loretta Canseco out here for you I don't that's that's hilarious to me and true and [ __ ] you if you don't think it is yeah find somebody that makes you feel better about what you don't think I don't think that it's my job to tell you what you think of you it's my job to tell you what I think well in the book you talked about the most hated black people in America it started with OJ yep then it went to Obama yeah and now it's that it is that Colin Kaepernick correct absolutely everyone hated OJ because he got off with killing a white woman right and everybody hated Barack Obama because he was a reflection of the promise of America I always held up America said if you work hard you could be anything you want to be and they hated them for it nobody works harder than poor people you know what they get to be there tomorrow Colin Kaepernick led a violent protest a peaceful protest against America and injustice and he's a pariah Robert Elia a violent one he gets statures have you ever noticed whenever somebody who didn't do it before it does something different like the first black anything the first woman anything the first game anything gets what death threats crucified not no not crucified I threatened to kill you right I don't care if it's hitting home runs I'll care if it's landing on the moon right I don't care if it's the first black person with to a school if you do something that breaks the the paradigm of what I think is normal I want you to die but really kill mothers became sure they killed Malcolm X sure so it ain't that I don't want to kill Hank Aaron all he did was hit home how you went here to kill the president all he did was be a reflection of the very thing you said he should be be excellent you got to die for Keita for following the rules right well you talked about the in the book you talked about Michelle Obama statements about living in a house built by slaves right and Bill O'Reilly talked about how it wasn't built by slave right actually try to always they talked about I remember last year they said they found Sally Hemings who was Thomas Jefferson's lover they found her apartment no you found her slave quarters and she wasn't his lover he wasn't her lover she was raped she was raped over and over again but that makes you feel better whether you like this or not Thomas Jefferson is a rapist and you have him on your money and your high schools and your bridges Thomas Jefferson raped people have you ever have you ever thought about you know cuz I think about this sometimes you have you have children even if you consider if you hate your baby mother that you figure she's beneath you or whatever whatever other evil thoughts you have towards this woman or her race or whatever else that if I got a baby from her she probably was beneath me is points or on tap or connect but the baby comes out and this baby is half you whether you want to admit it right at what point do you do you kind of say this whole concept of slavery and inferior races and everything else like that it's kind of out the window because now I have this child that is half me you know I'm saying at what point does the parental instinct give me something that that is an interesting question and I'll answer it this way at the point where I believe I I had sex with an anomaly that I had sex with something that was beneath me I go to Tijuana they have a show where a lady had sex with a burro right and that's about what you had to believe to write the offspring of that right but in a human but the lady doesn't get pregnant afterwards that's the big difference but it's but at one point I'm saying that I feel as if I have donkey child comes out right and you might look at that original donkey a little bit differently all right I think that you had to tell yourself a story that that person was a little more than a mo animal you had to you couldn't believe if you wrote the rules and said this is chattel my property I'll have to respect that right and so the offspring of that the human part of you makes you go I won't beat it as bad as I do the other people or I'll put it in the house or I because the human part of you does that the part of your either but the part of you that believes you're superior doesn't have a problem with it the same thing that allows you to take something you know but you don't want to give you it's the same thing that allows the offspring of that to be okay you're in this you're in this you know 1600 1700 situation where you have these slaves and you're being told that they they're not as intelligent as you they're not totally human they they can't read they can't write and so forth but you spend time with them every day you start to realize that they're just humans just like you someone were probably smarter than you if you know I'm saying I'm more clever than you are and so forth at what point do you kind of say oh this is [ __ ] you can say these are these are regular human beings just like me but the law and the raw rules that were written couldn't let you believe that listen but you start to question as a human being now you you as an individual human here not as a society hmm okay every individual human being there were people who always bucked against slavery who fought it they lost every time in court okay but and of course the North was you know slavery even in know if they that what that was you know the problem with American history is that then we have Google but I'll say this any human being that believes that the way that they were born entitles them to a bigger segment of humanity hmm it's somebody else who was born in a different place it's already so flawed there there I don't know that most people that feel like that will never be reached and most people that feel like that who are never reached are now populating this country look I read an interesting passage in a book and it said it kind of gave me a new perspective on things and it said walk into a bank okay and if your loan officer who you get you know matched up with is wearing a dark blue pinstripe suit and as you're asking him financial questions he answers them and so forth then you have a certain level of respect understanding for that person keep that in mind now take the exact same situation and put that man in an orange suit would you take that man as seriously and take his advice as seriously as you would in the man in the dark blue suit and most people will say probably not right but it's just the color of a suit it has absolutely no significance apart from Society tells you that a dark mansion but a dark blue suit is more serious than an orange suit but imagine if you couldn't change the suit you're stuck in that orange suit imagine if it's your skin right and that's and that's the analogy right to what I'm trying to say you're absolutely right yeah imagine you don't get to play by different rules then I see you and then I already have an assessment of you before I know who you are that is the game we play and and so look you saw the number fifty percent of Americans believe that Donald Trump is a racist so that means that the other 50 are bullshitters now you could say he's a racist but he works oh he's a racist what he's doing I want to do don't put it because the other 50% are the worst kind of people you know I'll tell you why because they have to lie to themselves like I had to do with my other fit situation to make [ __ ] right they gotta lie but it's white men don't get to tell you who's racist white women don't get you taken right and you've talked about that about how I guess and I'm paraphrasing a little bit but essentially you're saying that black people can't be racist because they don't have the power they keep along with their ideology somebody called me racist I'm like when did I ever oppress you or deny you alone or deny your rights if I make you uncomfortable but so does gas so does a cramp a cramp ain't racist gas a raise it makes you uncomfortable I can't make a system up that denies you loans or humanity or makes sentencing harsher or makes police a harsher white folks being uncomfortable they think that's racism been felt yet you can't know what that's like I can't deny you humanity I can't right now right now right now my children could be slain in the streets and Society would say why didn't he or why didn't she I can't do it we're not the same because you made it's not that way and you don't want us to be the same in the book you talked about how being broken white is like being a cop without a gun yeah I'm all cop yeah what's he gonna have to stop you though I feel the worst footwork white people cuz they got all they got the uniform broke the gun bill they don't have that they aren't respect broke white people not even be sport then I'll be respected by other white people your [ __ ] understand them if you broken white in America you know that means you blew a 400-year head start right but but most white people are not very well off in America no but but they do you know what they do have what's that we don't we'll have to argue semantics we can argue specifics a white high school educated man does better financially than a black colleges kidding me hmm there's no we're not disputed we could look it up we'll see that's the facts so just being white gives you an advantage that four years of college doesn't give me if you broke if you widen America the worst shoe that ever be is a manager at some shitty store okay that's it if you if you broke and white and you're working with me and punches with me you failed okay but most people aren't welfare or white yes yeah it's just numbers wise yes there's also more white people in America obviously yeah but but but that means that you most white people always but conjure up on welfare always conjure up in your mind closing my eyes and conjure up the image of the welfare recipient do you see a white person most people see a black person that's right right because that's the imagery that said it which Brocade talked about that's what I don't know cuz in the book you said something interesting and you said that the black neighborhood is considered a bad neighborhood sure and I started thinking about it I started thinking about like you know what so my relatives have said you know like you know my roses is something called shorten it I own which means a black neighborhood and there's a there's a stigma of it being a bad right neighborhood and I'm like [ __ ] I grew up with these types of things being said around me but so as a listen but a neighbor is America yes a neighbor isn't bad as this black neighborhood is back bad cuz it's poor yeah now I'll kill what you you think you think a Martin Luther King's rough go to South Boston go to a neighborhood were poor white people to go to a trailer park absolutely go to any trailer park in America see how safe it is that's right tell me for what they have this notion of and I'm not I'm not listen I'm not telling you for one instant that black people are better what i am telling you is that we're not worse right were you well you said uh kim kardashian's meeting with trump to discuss prison reform make sense who screwed more black dudes than her absolutely and the prison system absolutely that's a funny joke and true that whole thing kind of rubbed me the wrong way it did the whole I believe it's Alice Johnson yeah we actually looked her up the imagery is interesting because she's a grandmother and so forth but when we actually looked her up and looked up the case it kind of seemed like she was she kind of did it she kind of seemed like this was the kingpin in this area that was I guess she had worked at FedEx some of the same thing to move drugs and so forth this was not a political prisoner so this was not you know I'm saying like this was not Nelson Mandela like you know this is the prisoner it's a reality store like and then the cars that could go behind then another reality star was sparked to listen I think people are over sentenced and I think she's an example of that I think that they are hard virtually every crime committed in United States of America to the one blocked away because I've been to 2008 the majority of the gangs in the country were white right what you tell me is that we are inherently more criminal 70 some percent of the people arrested in it's cuz 77 percent of the people arrested this country are white most of the people to go to jail or black in Alice Johnson I'm glad she's out but the way the Trump administration and several other administrations have acted will make millions more palace justice Briella me you had the Rockefeller laws to where crack and cocaine would have massively different sentencing even though they're essentially the same thing you don't accept where they're distributed look at Hawthorne in Lawndale in Los Angeles okay Hawthorne black rondell white powder here cracky yeah look at this in sentencing disparities look at the policing disparities so I never had to go to a professor to tell me that I went to life in the streets so it's it's interesting you've said in our last interview that uh the black church is one of the gayest places it is it is I think that that that most if you if you look at the and my people always get mad at me when I say this here comes if you look at the population of the black church it's black women the largest the children I have to go with them it's right below that they gotta go in black Jews now it's it's three or four kinds of like service its black Jews that have lived their lives so far that he's trying to get their life together right trying to get into heaven it's black dudes that got to go with a woman because they don't [ __ ] up okay and it's black dudes who like dudes and I trying to play the love of dick out any heart okay the dying gay no more guy yeah I've been delivered in times I've been delivered okay well I'm on my knees anyway well Magic Johnson just did an interview uh talking about his son sexuality sure if you had a son that was extremely feminine like right would that be something you think you could deal with listen I could deal with anything yeah I love my children I love them unconditionally you can love dudes and not like I'm like a bride right because he really wears dresses as a man I get it you could love dudes but you ain't a bride your girl your man right so and if you listen hey we live in an America that believes that it's more America except see reality that a man is trapped in a woman's body than to believe that all black people are inherently criminal hmm you can like dudes or you can like people of the same sex but you need a [ __ ] person to do fo you ain't doing it I get it I love you anyway yeah but I'm not buying you a Fendi bag [ __ ] I'm not right cuz you're not a girl you or your man who likes men I get it I mean you top on interviews how how your son has Asperger's right and I guess uh he wanted to hire some hookers and he does hire yes and you give the money for that sometimes sometimes was that the son who I just met yes okay you so he probably gonna hire ho right now that's goes where the ho stroll I can't my son told me he's gonna kill yourself why cuz he was such an outcast from society that's why I started working with me on the radio came to me said dad I wanna be here anymore I hired him on the radio look whatever you got to do to make sure you here as long as you ain't hurting nobody else imma do you know I honestly when I met him if you didn't tell me if I didn't know ahead of time that he had this condition I want to talk to him ten more minutes you I've been spending time right no no you didn't I love my saying you know what let me do the truth if if you have dudes who don't get enough [ __ ] kill people they shoot school I agree usually when you see these school shooters they they're not like the handsomest individuals I got the ladies man that you see yo and he's a handsome caddies just another talk and let me tell you something when he's having a bad day we stay at the Holiday Inn we get ahold and shoot of my house come on now yeah I mean I honestly believe like when you look at the Catholic Church and you see the type of [ __ ] that goes on there I think it's sexual repression all of it America listen if you look at race in this country right a lot of white dudes are scared that they women is gonna like black dick that's really true yeah like one of the things that would happen when it would be lynched what they do cut they dicks off right because look at the NBA look at [ __ ] interfere when you when you sign a big concert you get a couple white women to go with it that's just the way it goes that's the way it goes absol bar got an absolutely Derrick Rose so I'm not there's the whole sex repression things doesn't just stop there's that this whole notion that if I'm this I'm a predator predator if I miss I'm sex million addict right because I've been a female porn stars before I mean we're only doing anymore but you're not sitting I'm not sitting in the same chair no no no this is your check but it's interesting when I look at the comments out drawers people like look how calm and happy this man is this man gets as much sex as he wants he's not he's not angry he's not sad he's calm he's happy you know he's gonna gain some sex right after this like he's dying I think that's a cause of a lot of the problems if I believe that you're less than me and I believe something I want wants you that would set the world on balance if I believe that I'm superior to you but something I won't want you that sets the world out of balance so if a you're saying when white women are attracted to black men right white men have a problem because they feel that black men are beneath them and yet this woman that they desire wants them more than that is so apropos I couldn't say that even and I think it's the cause of a lot of [ __ ] it really is what you think the ho Terry Crews thing I think it's hard for me to think that they do but almost can't tell an agent to not touch his ass disastrous dick whatever whatever you touched I just do I don't understand I think that now everybody's so into this notion then meet it happened to me too hey [ __ ] God gave you muscles so you could say no I mean what do you mean happen to you to like when he went I could understand people being in certain situations because there's nothing you could do about it right I remember this one time I was in Israel and this gay guy walked up to me and start biting on my shirt and yeah I just turn around and walked away I was I was kind of nervous I was in a foreign environment I was in a foreign country right I didn't know who was homeys word or how deep he was man maybe some people would have punched him or whatever else I was really bothered by it but imagine like it it but I just walked away okay but imagine being a guy your agent works for you he gets 10% your money well that wasn't his actual agent okay whatever like the agency the president of a major major company listen I've had ages yeah a lot of it mm-hmm you can't touch my dick if I pay for pay you right because I can get another you right now it's a whole lot of things go and you can't touch my dick in front of my wife if you if I pay you that's me mmm sometimes you just say a [ __ ] I don't care what people think of me you ain't doing this to me that's why I come from now I can't say I've never been in this spot I ain't done no I Old Spice commercial ain't been in this video but its issuing I'll never do to me right because I think 50 compared it to the Will Smith instead remember the guy try to kiss him Will Smith you smacked him right there on the red carpet you not you not you not saying I ain't ready to let that happen now I think that people oh you know whatever I get it you're you you you you you pay this dude or that agency to work for you they can't make money unless they it's funny because athletes porn stars and entertainers are the only people that pay people to get them work hmm so they all pimp like them that's not to say you to get me work right I'm not gonna pay you give me work and you touch the goods to [ __ ] hang out [Laughter] I'm not gonna let give you 10% of my proceeds from this [ __ ] and you touch my dick that can't so you've never had I mean being in Hollywood doing movies you've never had a gay man I'm not sexy enough for you not sexy enough you would sure I never had tattoos and now you're bustles out right now thank you but no to the low-key I feel like to the blood festival I'm inferior you don't want to know you know he's my problem I've always had to talk women in the secretary so I imagine had to be the same way with a gay dude like I have to convince them that it won't be as bad as they and I just don't have the energy for it you know in the book you talked about music is very importantly sure about the police so you could play Justin Timberlake without Timberland right I made this juxtaposition between and it was based on Jordan Davis who was shot because in Florida because they said he was playing the music hair skin tattoos dress or apparently confrontational like I want to open a less threatening [ __ ] clothing store but I think there are all these ideas and I said this earlier the worst place the people for black people to live is it a white America's imagination hmm music is that way clothing is that way names is that way cars are that way neighbors is that way because they all mean something they all like triggers right cuz I said sugar [ __ ] that same thing right cuz you said in your book that you have to look unique so you don't match any description right Flavor Flav never got arrested for nothin I just said what I tried to do in the book was to make it so ironic and so outlandish that people would get the point and in the overall point is that if you believe something or somebody that and you believe that they are saying sooner or later if you watch them long enough they're going to edify your position and I want people to change their vantage point and not and the things that's triggered them I think I can't be as bad as you think I am I can't be if you if you look at all the experiences that you've had I would say this most people I said this earlier most people most black people people of color have added negative spirits with the police or the the society and large most why people can't say that what they have is heard about some [ __ ] and then that becomes their fans fun yeah what you said they a white person could have a black friend and still be racist yeah Strom Thurmond had black kids put him to college still with races Thomas Jefferson I mean the Thomas Jefferson actually acknowledged those kids are yeah well finally because I guess now that Jefferson Society scepter Captain Kirk [ __ ] every [ __ ] in the galaxy hang on now come on with him right right in see any green women on the only go another man big boy that was in the aliens ass he was actually but [ __ ] alien Thank You babies out there listen I don't know what no means in your language how do you say Astroglide I mean but do you really believe that a racist could really have a black person they really respect and still feel that way about the entire race yes or do you think they may just have a co-worker or something of that sort I believe that people are capable of compartmentalizing okay yes here we go this yes I do not only do I believe it is it's born up it's true yeah I don't know them I mean at a certain point I kind of feel like you have an idea you have a society as fed you about a group of people but at the point where you start developing these relationships it kind of has to start crumbling down a little bit no no I think you can love an individual and hate where they're from and suspend reality I think we're all capable of doing it and and and I don't I think we'll only get better at society we're except there's certain things our reality and then some things are not and I just think we're not adult enough to to respect that that's a kind of truth you're on the Kings of Comedy Shore was that the most successful comedy tour ever it was at that point yes at that point yes okay you see Harvey our friends yes he's my friend still still our friends yes do you want to go see Donald Trump right you said some words about it I said some words about Donald Trump but not about Steve you didn't I can't question Steve's motive for going to see him I think that Steve is the kind of guy that believes it's something good can come out of the visit and Donald Trump it's the kind of guy listen Steve is no different than Kim Jong on their all photo opportunities so you think that was a photo op was it wasn't like Steve wasn't already famous and rich and I'm not Tom office Stephen tom was a trump for trouble for trouble definitely your photos that's what that yeah mom remember remember during what he was a running he's like oh look at my look at my african-american right now so I don't my I never ascribed a motive to Steve or not we just had this pant passage pomp and circumstance for you to go see Kim Jong and all you did was take pictures and right now he's enhances new nuclear capacity it's what they say that's right so that's what they say and nobody refutes it or affirms it so so what was that I want to know Korean all I got was this t-shirt in the kitchen so I think it's not it's not it was never about Stevens would Trump uses people of color for optics okay so if Trump called you and asked for a meeting you say no what for what what could I give him what do I know right I know how to drink and talk [ __ ] well Kathy Kathy Griffin she called Kevin Hart a [ __ ] for not talking about Trump don't think I think Kevin I was a very successful talented cat who understands who he is and what he brings to the party and stays in his sweet spot so I don't know that I would call him a coward I think that he is a cat that knows what he believes and edifies position do you think that once you reach a certain level that you can't speak your mind anymore I think that I'll always speak my mind you so I can't I can't I can't ascribe somebody else's motives I think and I can't call them what listen I believe what I believe and I believe where the police is whether the police is there or whether it ain't so I can't I I can't kind of crucify somebody for not having my kind of more there enough it is you talked about the double standard between the Texas school shooting and the take a murder case yeah let's uh let's take a look at what you said it was uh like a Twitter post yeah so I had take a 17 years old state Texas crime to capital murderers when aggravated robbery or facing the death penalty right on the other side you had Demetrius Boots's yeah also 17 in the Texas capital murder of 10 people 13 injured aggravated assault on a public servant no death penalty parole in 40 years right I I think that there is a way that society is interesting is Society of police apparently I'm more afraid of a black man that they imagine has a gun then they are a white dude who's demonstrated he had one okay how is it that Stefan Clarke can get shot for thinking that a gun was a phone but you have mass murders that they get arrested when you know they have a gun and I think if he why is it that passable it was I can't pronounce his name uh yeah Demetrius but gorgeous Demetrius providers walked around in Texas with a black trench coat off mm-hmm in high school with his black shirts going on and that wasn't suspicious but two black dudes and Starbucks are and I think and I said this earlier the most dangerous place for black people live is not in the suburbs it's in white people's minds do you think that in the future I mean with all the intermixing that's happening like I remember when I first start dating black women and me too this was in the early 90s you have a little bit go ahead like I was going to school UC Berkeley which is considered a.m. you are bright dude so you know which consider a very liberal place this is like their you know the epicenter of the hippie movement sure thing else like that sure very multiracial women is right there and so forth and when I started dating this girl in 92 was it and we would walk around holding hands it was it was a bit of a spectacle sure people tap their friends on the shoulder and pointed at us people turn around and we walk by and so forth it was a thing these days interracial couples are not really a big deal I don't think this it's not very uncommon the commonality has nothing to do with societal there's a saddle optics I'll say this that I'm 54 years old okay I [ __ ] up a lot I've never had a white mission never even my mission is a bit if you had sex with white woman yeah that's a different no what are you talking about no no I've never had no I haven't but not because you've no have sex with Wetteland and then life no really and that because I didn't want to it's just I've never never came up okay it's not because I went oh I'm it just never came up but I'm bad white girls these days man with ass and everything I don't know where they came from but I'll tell you this I believe that you should be attractive who you're attracted to and do your thing I just believe that people don't believe that if they did they wouldn't say and do the things they do as involved as I think I am there's a reason that's never happened so I can't say if I'm a [ __ ] I might as well [ __ ] up on all sides of the quadrant but I saw I think that society has this notion of what they'll say and do and it's just it's just not true but I guess my point is do you think that at some point you know when you and I are both gone you know a hundred years in the future 200 years in the future or whatever where the color of your skin really just does not matter all that much I think you're the world the world would be so beige as a whole what America's afraid hmm America is afraid because people are finding other people they're loving other people they're doing things other people and what happens to me if you didn't and and and I don't I didn't write this but they they they used to believe that you have one drop drop of black blood and you yeah that you were black right you could have there was the famous the famous case that was yeah but the guy was sitting in a train you know because I'm 14 yeah like I like what five six white or something that could lead out wide enough but that's the case you're talking about yes okay so they believe that so if I'm with you and then we have a baby then my baby's having a baby then my blood is always within you yeah so if you have one drop of black blood in you pretty soon in 3040 years nobody is gonna be airing nobody's gonna be all black but you're closer to me than Terry all right cuz in general the black gene is more dominant it is with the children the black gene is more dominant with the children yeah but not in in the legal system the education it's only more dominant with children in the birth canal but apparently and I think that people are afraid of that I think that when you look at what's happening in when you put my kids in cages the the black bird white birth rates for the first time in America the death rates are higher than the birth rates for white people really yes right people of color so instead of trying to [ __ ] over poor people y'all need to get the [ __ ] that's that's what it is death rates are higher than birth rates look I don't do math very well but I get it right because in the book you've also talked about the disadvantages of having a quote unquote black name yeah there was a survey conducted by employer potential employers this is the more ethnic or earlier name style the less likely they'll even consider employment even in schooling even in schooling educationally when a person comes from a certain socio-economic background has a certain name they perceived a certain way and treated the court and the reason like even the whole reason I wrote the book is because we can't accomplish anything unless white people who are the people who society tends to listen to participate who wasn't sure 76% of our teachers are what white women most of our corporate officers are what why do most of our political leaders are what my guys most of our judges or what right I mean I think we put a story up there was a some some area and I think Georgia where every political office was held by a black woman feels like the judge but it was such an anomaly it was like but it feels all white women they wouldn't even make the news that's right yeah but it's such a small town I think they got 17 people in every way and half woman but it's just the reason we have to have this conversation and and and and to your point the reason I wrote the book is because I want people to see themselves I look nothing matters until it matters to everybody in the book you also said that white people didn't build in America they supervise sure the building of America in Haiti they got that the Chinese do the railroads stay you're hiring the tunnels right they waited from the sober up right that's what you said name that this is what the funny thing about this country is is [Music] America has always needed people who were willing to be exploited for the betterment of their people we always needed now we co-opted we took slaves but after that we have the Chinese the Irish the Italians right now Italians the white so you can't really say anything same thing but well do consider white now but back then they weren't they weren't I remember you know there were signs called no Irish need apply what did Irish become policemen and firemen well yeah I remember studying this in school like they they basically got together and said this is some [ __ ] the only way we're gonna get around this is to actually hold political office right and public and public office so when you see the and what did the average do right well for example like you know the the stereotype of you know captain O'Reilly you know the Irish police chief it's not just a random it's nothing it's because the Irish systematically said we need to put our own people in these into these positions of power and they need to be able to police our own neighborhoods and they loved it and they did it what they also did was hate the people less than them what's worse that's what they they [ __ ] literally rolls down him so they could assimilate and change the name and we couldn't yeah everybody solver is like to be a person of color went [ __ ] that I ain't doing anymore everybody got to move up and we didn't and so when I hear all these things that we know to be true world war two you know who was in turn not just Japanese seven hundred seven hundred thousand Italians would it would ten thousand and turn the Italians in Brooklyn so imagine you got to opt out of some [ __ ] we just didn't get opt out and then those people forgot where they were from those people forgot what it was like or for their parents of grandparents to be one of the others and wanted to scrub that for memory do you think that for example that for the first time in English history you have a black woman you know as part of the royal family that's that's the first time Megan Marco it's not the first not the first time not at all really no there's a movie called bail that was based on oh right why not I never saw about I know about it no she was part of English well she was the reason that English that was super one of the reasons that the English abolish slavery before we did really yes yes the funny thing is black women has been turning history around before people counted them as as no word but she was never a princess she was part of our family okay there but English and the only black princess is Megan Marquez she's a desi snap princess and she'll never be a princess well but what if her husband becomes king he owned it you know many people have to die for him or never cupholder well he's got his father he said I and his older brothers and then his brothers sons oh there you go before him yes I don't know yes yes you how many people would I'd be proud I'd be president before he became okay and I've seen some interesting posts about this where a lot of people are celebrating Megan but I remember this one this one black woman basically said here's a woman who is mixed got a nose job to kind of erase a lot of her features straightens her hair and so forth so you can't really expect a lot of black woman to really you know when somebody says some [ __ ] like that to me you can't tell me that [ __ ] in your Michael Jackson fan you know something Michael Jackson was not loved until he died like that I mean he was not he was not love at the time of his death come on you remember that was because of the controversy it was a controversy and the appearance was coming really Michael Jackson being bone white with imitation people [ __ ] with my degree with you at the very like here that we'll remember how we talked about how I hit fixes everything resume how long tummy decades had passed since Michael Jackson attic let me add something I'm an honest question honest question Michael Jackson says his nose right yeah and his skin color t no never did who [ __ ] with Tito right nobody actually interview Tito oh because black people love Michael Jackson because he was ingrained in their DNA okay I do not believe this kids never got but going yeah I just I think that right now on my radio show if you say something bad about Michael Jackson because he's dead not even dead once someone dies let me tell you xxx anti CEO and so many people were talking about how he beat his pregnant girlfriend and this then the third as soon as he died he's now the next yeah I saw a lot of listen once you die your entire perception changes based on the public I disagree I think my exit i when when John Lee died radio radio all of us because you all cross all formats and the radio let me tell you this is not gonna be popular it's the most racist format was that they are I'll play this for these people that for these people that for these people they they only you can't cross formats you cannot work the advertising is based on that's right on target market so I see I'm not saying it's malicious I might say this intentional but it is very much true when John radio across all formats in New York shut down for 10 minutes ok Michael Jackson was a biggest are the gentlemen close not enclosed I think it was close when I think I think the Beatles as a whole in Michael Jackson or anytime are the Beatles we talk about the guy okay and John Lennon but John Lennon was essentially the face of the Beatles Michael Jackson because of all she did happen to him and because he was black that didn't happen we heard about it on TMZ right they broke the story that's right Michael Jackson was generally considered weird at the time that he died so was Prince and nice it was dope right Michael Jackson was considered a different type of weird because I mean number one there was the allegations of the child molestation which ultimately doubly that's way it may never never never got uh never got proven and I but but the thing is though is that I would put I wouldn't put Prince I wouldn't put Prince at Michael Jackson at the time of their death in the same category III think people generally respected Prince a lot more than they respected Michael J you can't have the allegations because the allegations and also because of the appearance so let me answer it's pretty much the matter of fact I feel like Prince got kind of more more black as he got older man when he got the Afro any kind of I I feel like he kind of embraced that side more so than as well as kids died from doing drugs a [ __ ] they're done right hundred percent right what the the the notion is that because Michael Jackson didn't change his appearance that because Princeton changed the appearance he's more a lot of than Michael Jackson but I think that in any conversation those two names would come up in the top seven of the greatest artist who ever lived yeah maybe in the top five or four probably top five yeah top five and neither one of them may radio shut down Paulo ah neither one of them yeah I mean I don't know if that's really the yardstick that I think would measure respect or admiration respect means I'll tell you a story about about who was the kid that uh John David Bowie died yeah I love David Bowie - right Doug you know I tried to play a song on urban radio what they do is say you can't do it I said so even a dude I love so I'm telling you even like Fame they get spent race race put matters that do and it was a white dude that ran asked us a circle of black stations the way you came play okay so you can't tell me that race isn't involved in in in some John Lennon black stations went off the air okay you know but Michael Jackson you know was considered overall the greatest Entertainer of all time that could see I'm talking about if that's true we've accepted people we had people that OD in because it Elvis died of what drugs drugs he still dope right people still think he's like that's right people so don't tell me is this is the it's the thing they did you could be dope listen hey why is it drug and is there so much doper than the rest of it you don't make good maybe so much doper right yeah like I'm so dope I got a diet 27 cuz I ain't gonna be able to keep this [ __ ] up 27 club right right that's the real thing so it's but because of the color they who they were they didn't get what they [ __ ] again I don't know a lot of controversy around Mike especially now when I see his kids it's like those are not but but but it's not like those are not makes children by any stretch of the imagination like like and to me it's almost like it feels so weird when you have a talent like a Michael like why on earth would you not want to pass that down to potentially take that DNA in that talent to your children I'd say Michael Jackson did and and I and I believe that [ __ ] he did was weird so let me [ __ ] Michael Jackson is two things I've never saw anybody okay I was at a concert and it was a father a son and a grandfather and they all were at a Jackson concert okay I defy you to find any artist did that exist four grand on top of they all white greatest Entertainer of all time right you know so the greatest Entertainer of all time doesn't get the same thing okay and somebody who was not the greatest any of us what was the second thing you saw and the second thing I saw Michael Jackson do was talk about [ __ ] now and I and I believe it's false he was fallible but he talked about race this black is white evany and ivory he talked about in a way they know our other artists were willing to do with that time nobody I mean lots of artists were talking about race during that time but he did in a palpable way where everyone kind of no one really got offended by it and so forth of course doing a song with but I'm telling Paul McCartney yeah you know sort of he's got the money he called some people kites Jimmy do it he did some [ __ ] that no one's ever done before no one but people had done it but it was more underground right you know but he talked some [ __ ] you know the last poet's talk some [ __ ] but no wonder that of that level right and I still pologize for those Jewish comments I wouldn't he did he said what my mother is Jewish I have known everybody that stopped who says that but I'm just saying I just think the he didn't get what his status should have afford them and I believe that he shouldn't miss leaving the barricades yeah that that that was that was [ __ ] weird and but honestly III really blame the parents as well like who the hell you you have children if one of your male friends said hey can I buy your kids for a night I'm gonna sleep over we're all gonna sleep in this big bed together I think we'll even it out this way Michael Jackson was the greatest entertainer ever and the worst babysitter I think we can do you usually listen if you haven't read the book absolutely get it and get to get the audiobook because you actually you know I've read a lot of audiobooks and they're usually read by some random guy the fact that you could actually hear DL Hughley speak for 3-4 hours about these subjects is is incredible thank you so so absolutely if you're not a reader I'm not really a physical book reader but I look at me he buy audiobooks by audio books by audio books I go through them like I said I literally I spent my entire morning actually listening to your audio book it was excellent definitely go get it thank you man and man looking forward to some more books from you don't man I like writing more than I like reading there you go there you go my man thank you

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Published: Mon Dec 31 2018