Developing a Hydrogen Economy | BritCham Singapore

hello everybody and welcome my name's tim rockell and i'm the chairman of the british chamber of commerce singapore energy and utilities business committee this group's bringing you this event on developing a hydrogen economy and it very much follows on from the events that we've had this year on a decarbonization theme we've looked at shipping we've looked at the energy transition and finance we've looked at the circular economy today we're looking at hydrogen we've got more events coming up this year on waste to energy carbon capture and storage and a very special event that we'll announce shortly this event is done in collaboration with the sustainability committee and is part of the chambers road to net zero program i'm very pleased as well that the british high commission and the british high commissioner is on this call and thank you very much to them for their participation this event is run with the energy institute and the ippf who've helped support this event so thank you to those members i know that we're very much full to capacity on this webinar so thank you everybody i'm going to hand over to thomas thomas is from arab and arab of course is part of the uk hydrogen task force we've got a lot of content a lot of panelists to get through so that's enough for me i'm going to hand over to thomas for the introductions and to take this panel forward so thank you very much everybody thanks tim and uh good evening everybody thank you for attending this session developing a hydrogen economy which is um very applicable here in singapore but also across um aipac and of course the wider world um as tim said thanks also to brit cham singapore for organizing this webinar in these challenging times and for creating this exciting panel for us this evening so with us today we have five interesting speakers her excellency cara owen british high commissioner to singapore she'll introduce herself in a bit but i imagine her focus will be uh on how to facilitate collaboration between the uk and singapore and on how that fits with the uk's wider host hosting of cop26 um we have a deputy director of engineering and research um at the uk's department for business energy and industrial strategy john saltmash uh john provides the government with engineering and scientific evidence and advice on how to decarbonize the uk's energy system and has focused on many hydrogen projects um in the uk then we have uh professor chan of nanyang technological university who focuses his research on fuel cells and hydrogen technologies and will be telling us a little bit about singapore's ambition as well as his his own research at the university uh we'll then hear from a practitioner in the oil and gas industry uh andreas przenecki uh senior strategy advisor at bp australia and then finally we'll hear from niagara homes ceo of the scottish hydrogen and fuel cell association about some of the exciting work uh they're doing in scotland with a particular focus on um some of the transport sector so thank you all for being here today my name is uh thomas brio and i'll be moderating this session i'm a leader of energy at uh at arab across southeast asia and i've got a background in renewable energy and hydrogen we'll hear from each of the panelists uh in a moment um and that will take us through five presentations till about 5 p.m uh that's 10 a.m uk time and then there'll be a q a session which will last until 5 30. um there's a q a function in your uh in the in the zoom function there so please do post your questions uh to the speakers there and if there are any um questions of particular interest please like those to help us prioritize uh questions you'd like to hear answers to in particular before i ask the panelists to start i'll give them a quick uh the briefest backgrounds to hydrogen in singapore and the asia-pacific context to save them doing so so bear with me uh for those of you that that already know this um so as many of you know hydrogen needs to be produced using a different form of energy and in order for it to be created into a fuel um it can be created from the reformation of fossil fuels blue hydrogen when it's combined with carbon capture and storage or it could be created from renewable electricity what's known as green hydrogen um it is therefore an energy vector that can be used to decarbonize the fossil fuel injuries industry or to transport and store renewable electricity but by virtue of using a fuel to create it it does come with an energy penalty and that means that it costs money to produce store and transport the point is that today the climate imperative has grown in importance to the point where society or at least some parts of society are willing to pay for that climate mitigation uh that it provides and evidence of that uh can be seen in numerous feed-in tariffs and auction processes that result in carbon reduction around the world the question uh really is how to produce and use it most cost-effectively what technology advancements are bringing down that cost and what should be put in place to create a hydrogen economy as part of a wider energy system in the context of singapore therefore hydrogen provides an opportunity to import ultra low carbon energy that it can't produce because of its status as an island nation with relatively small land mass and limited renewable energy resource so arab have been working on a on a number of hydrogen projects across a apac and around the world some of which you see see here and do message me if you want to find out a little bit more about those clearly it's growing in its prominence with both japan and korea having recently launched their hydrogen strategies um to significantly grow a hydrogen economy in fact this year's olympics was to have been the hydrogen olympics had not uh covered got in the way and at the southern edge of of apac uh australia has some of the cheapest land and most abundant solar resource anywhere in the world making it the ideal opportunity for shipping sunshine north through the medium of hydrogen so to set the wider context of global collaboration at cop26 i'll now hand over to the high commissioner cara owen um over to you cara many thanks uh thomas and many thanks tim for kicking off the um webinar i'm really really pleased uh to be part of it and i'm really conscious that following me are some genuine experts on uh hydrogen uh so i think what i would like to do in this is to set a bit of context and to use some uk examples for the kind of things we are doing because it is my job uh to bring attention to some of those things and also to talk about potential for collaboration including with singapore where as so often in um areas of innovation we and singapore are massively ramping up our interest in issues at exactly the same time and as two uh highly skilled research heavy nations there's an awful lot we could and should be doing together um i'm really pleased that you focused on hydrogen uh britcham as part of your road to net zero campaign i think it's a fantastic campaign that you're pushing now it really speaks to what people are thinking about and trying to prepare for in the future and i am particularly pleased because it entirely matches one of my own strategic priorities and my team strategic priorities for the high commission and the uk government here in singapore um so thomas you mentioned cop 26 and many of the people on the line will already know that the uk in partnership with italy has been appointed as the incoming president of the un climate talks cop 26 as we call it for short which will take place in glasgow next year i think glasgow is going to be a really pivotal moment for us to enhance the global ambition uh to combat climate change um in many ways i think paris um i was there in paris in 2015 when the world descended on paris for those negotiations remade our world and has fundamentally shifted how companies and governments are making their calculations about risk about the pace with which they need to do things but we're still off track so we need to use glasgow to make sure that we send a similar kind of lightning bolts through the way people are thinking about the need to take action on climate uh and on carbon reduction in the way that um paris totally reframed the game um as part of our presidency of cop the uk has launched five global campaigns to drive real world action so on the one part we've got all of the negotiations that we need to kick forward but we've also selected five areas that we think if we can actually mobilize some really strong and concerted action uh internationally that is going to help us make a real difference one of those campaigns is the energy transition um to meet the goals of the paris agreement the global transition to clean power needs to progress four times faster than it is doing at the moment four times to me that is really really sobering and that is after the game-changing uh discussions in paris and an awful lot of activity by companies and by governments and it's a kind of burning platform um if we talk about energy it's a burning platform that we really need to be mindful of to meet this challenge we're going to have to have really strong engagement by governments to accelerate the energy uh transition and to have companies um countries ramp up their nationally determined contributions and set very clear net zero commitments front and center of our energy campaign is the acceleration of the global transition from coal to renewable energy that is a dialogue that many of the people on the webinar will be familiar with i hope um but developing core technologies like carbon capture utilization and storage will be integral to helping us make carbon mutual economies a reality turning to hydrogen the topic of the webinar today um the idea of producing energy from hydrogen is obviously not new to us but i think that the world is waking up rather quickly as we'll see um uh in this session to the fact that a fully low carbon hydrogen system can play a game-changing role in long-term decarbonization plans if we're ambitious agile and courageous scaling up hydrogen can be a key part of our green recovery postcovid as well the hydrogen council estimates a future hydrogen and equipment market worth 2.5 trillion dollars globally by 2015 equating to 30 million jobs and in the uk we estimate it could unlock 75 000 jobs by 2035. so if companies and governments are seeking to unlock future growth and to make sure that they are the companies that are creating jobs the energy transition and hydrogen is a really tasty prospect the uk is a leader in clean growth we were the first to embed climate reduction commitments into law through the climate change act in 2008 and more recently we were the first g7 country to set a legally binding target of achieving net zero emissions across the economy by 2050. we recognize the potential of clean hydrogen to meet our paris commitments we've got the right fundamentals in place to scale up production and infrastructure including a foundation of expertise born out of an experienced gas and chemical industry they have the skill set to help us manage the transition to hydrogen many of you will also be aware that the uk have the largest offshore wind capacity in the world which can of course be leveraged for clean hydrogen production and that's why the uk hydrogen task force a coalition of hydrogen industry's largest organization was set up last year to support the development of the sector and to provide clear recommendations to government for what it can do to unleash this transition in february this year our government announced a 90 million pound package to tackle emissions from homes and heavy industry including funding two of europe's first ever large-scale low-carbon hydrogen production plants the first on the backs of the mersey and the second plan for near aberdeen a third project will develop technology to harness offshore wind off the grinsbu coast to produce hydrogen the uk government is also facilitating a suite of ongoing feasibility in test bed projects helping to scale up production distribution and to transition industry sectors like such as heating and transport more details which i know you're going to hear from john who is representing bayes and also nigel of the scottish hydrogen fuel cell association we're already seeing progress on the ground particularly in the transport sector where the uk has a long history of leadership in innovation and manufacturing currently aberdeen has europe's largest fleet of hydrogen bosses uh transport for london will be introducing the world's first double-decker hydrogen boxes this year i would absolutely love it if we saw these on the streets of uh singapore being a bit of a boss fiend to myself the exciting hydroflex project based out of birmingham university recently secured funding for mainline testing and the world's first bimod electric hydrogen train that can run on electricity where the track has been electrified or hydrogen where it has not so all ambassadors claim that their country is in some way leading the way that's partly our job but i think in sitting here today i feel really confident we've got independent evidence to back up this claim according to bloomberg the uk has a hydrogen project pipeline that is greater than the rest of the world combined when you measure the amount of carbon dioxide saved but of course it's not all about what we're doing domestically we're really keen and the point of this webinar is to see what we can do to really accelerate the numbers and value of international collaboration um that we are engaging in on a commercial level many of our leading uk engineering consultancies like arab for whom thomas works are doing tons of work around the world and in the region on hydrogen other uk companies such as bp who you'll be hearing from later johnson matthey and logan energy are partnering with companies around the world offering excellent opportunities for shared learning and we're also collaborating with countries to drive innovation so that we can scale up low carb and hydrogen an example is through mission innovation this is a global initiative working to accelerate clean energy innovation mission innovation drives sustained public investment and couples it with business leadership across the world with the objective of bringing fledgling ideas into the mainstream at a more rapid pace um well widely the uk is supporting southeast asia in its transition to clean energy in other ways um i am responsible for running a clean energy low carbon energy program across asean it's worth 15 million pounds and we're supporting green finance and energy efficiency transitions across the region under this programme in addition to that there is 30 million pounds being spent on an entire uk indonesia low carbon energy partnership we're supporting indonesia to become a renewable energy superpower by harnessing its abundant solar wind and other clean technology potential to drive sustainable economic growth and i think seeing what's happening to our economies and the fact that we really are having to rethink uh where we are basing our um uh attention in terms of future jobs and growth now there's no better time than now even though it feels difficult economically for us to thinking some really big and challenging thoughts and for driving new uh partnerships so i'm really excited to hear what the other panelists say like i say they are genuine experts and i really hope that not only is this an interesting opportunity for us to share some thoughts but you would really really want us to see some active and pragmatic partnership being born uh in this uh webinar and in follow-up um so with that i'll hand you back uh to thomas thank you high commissioner um good to see the the flag flying for the for the uk and collaboration with um uh singapore um so uh to hear a little bit more about some of those uh exciting projects that uh the uk are looking at um i'd now like to hand over to john saltmarsh john over to you thanks very much thomas um thanks cara i don't think i've met the bus fiend before so that's some one i will store away for the future um thank you now hopefully if i can just share my screen um we should have a presentation coming up right can i just confirm people can see that thomas yes we can see that okay right well um thank you everyone i'm john saltmarsh i'm the deputy director for engineering and research within our department for business energy and industrial strategy and i suppose i've been involved in hydrogen one way or another for about seven years when i joined the department there was one person who was working on hydrogen and now we have three to fairly large teams working on it and i would imagine that the number of people who are sort of involved in hydrogen into a reasonable degree is probably now into three figures so there's been a huge transformation over the course of the last um of the last seven years and i'm very much looking forward today to telling you a little bit about some of the things that are going on in the uk and um really with us a view to showing me the opportunities that could perhaps be applied in singapore as well so um back to the sort of history um 2008 the uk was the first country to sign up a legally binding target to cut carbon emissions and at that point we decided that we could cut carbon emissions by 80 percent of the 1990 levels by 2050 and that's the target has to have continued um up until last year when um the committee on climate change who were established to keep the government honest and track how well they were doing towards meeting their climate change targets um produced a report basically saying that you could now deliver a net zero i a hundred percent reduction in um in emissions um for the same price as you could originally when you signed up in 2008 have delivered a 80 reduction and so this resulted um in the latter part of 2019 in a amendment to the climate change act um and the amendment is actually the very last line on the um the page that you can see on the right hand side which simply says replace 80 with a hundred percent and that's what the net zero target is now saying um that we need to reduce our um our emissions from 99 1990 levels to a hundred percent um by a hundred percent so over the last um the last um sort of eight tech tech well worry of 12 years now um the uk has made um great the greats of progress as far as this is concerned we've actually cut our emissions by something like 40 percent um over 1990 targets already um and gdp growth up until covid had increased by about two thirds over the same time so what we've actually seen is a decoupling between carbon emissions and gdp which is probably the first time an industrialized country that that's actually happened since the industrial revolution next slide um if you look at different sectors however um you see considerably different performance um the big success story has been on the power industry where we have seen an amazing reduction in emissions over the last um over the last 12 years a lot of that has been driven by a switch to from coal to natural gas but in the more recent more recent past there's been a dramatic switch from from fossil fuel power to renewables particularly offshore wind which is now you know on some days accounting for well over 50 percent of our of our electricity use however um the message has been sort of rather more mixed in other sectors um we've seen sort of significant reductions in industry and waste is a much smaller market but again we've seen some good reductions there but buildings have really sort of remained sort of stubbornly high and areas like shipping um aviation and surface transport have shown a decline but really very little compared to where we need to go so i think the answer is you know we are we are on the way but there's a lot further to go and you know we have more work to do and as it stands at the moment other areas have take have got to take up a lot more of the burden if we're going to meet our target this provides um a little bit of a um illustration of where we think hydrogen can actually play i mean the interesting change from going from net zero to i'll beg upon from going from 80 to a net zero target was um hydrogen became a far more important part of the overall picture and really that's because net zero leaves nowhere to hide um you know power buildings transport and industry have got to get close to zero and what we were seeing before is that all the difficult bits were being left as our well this will be part of the 20 we don't actually deliver and when you start eating into that 20 you find hydrogen has a much much more important role to play either as an engine energy carrier or as a way of providing balancing of the energy system um and um you know it's it's really become a an integral part of our thinking for the future i guess it's the fairly clear that um we don't have all the answers at the moment um but hydrogen is seen as a um sort of a leading leading solution in areas where electrification is particularly challenging and as far as industry is concerned we see that particularly in the various of high temperature processes where we're using natural gas at the moment to generate generate high temperature heat and hydrogen that's a good option there similarly in heavy transport where it looks challenging to actually um to decarbonize using batteries because the energy density isn't great enough so for maritime potentially for hgvs and rail and buses all great opportunities there for um full hydrogen to play a role in transport and then there are other stuff the the question question marks um the big programs that are going on at the moment in the uk are actually exploring hydrogen for heating in buildings um either of us still have peak heating need to meet heating needs um as part of a mixture of heat pumps and hydrogen boilers for peak heat um and also in dispatchable power the big problem with renewables as what do you do when the wind isn't blowing and that's probably okay for a day because you can use your stored um your your stores of energy but if you're going beyond the day then really you need some form of dispatchable low-carbon power and that seems to be where hydrogen offers great opportunities from an industrial sector perspective um we have a number of um sort of clusters that have been identified where hydrogen either is playing quite a part at the moment um in the form of um hydrogen is being used although not low carbon um or there are areas where um there's a huge amount of industry where they feel that there is great opportunity for um decarbonizing using hydrogen and um the uk is the structuring its um you know its support to this around these clusters and it's supporting in different ways each of the approaches that's going on in these industrial areas um i'll leave you so that read the slides in slower time given how much time we've got to go through this but um certainly we're sort of recognizing that hydrogen is going to be very much the place dependent and you need to look and see you know what what industry is there and how can you build a a picture using hydrogen that joins all the various assets together in a particular cluster to get the best solution um a number of challenges across the across the value chain [Music] a big question really is how much hydrogen can actually reduce our emissions and in particular when we're looking at carbon capture carbon capture used in storage um what are the capture rates what is the stuff the leakage of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases coming out of the system and what are the upstream um residual emissions because clearly um you know if we're heading towards net zero then it's not going to work if you're losing 20 percent of your um you know your emissions through leakage in carbon capture and storage um then as far as the production is concerned um key issues here are probably around cost and in particular actually around build rates can we achieve the level of transformation we need to achieve by 2050 on the distribution side the big question is what do we do with the gas grid the uk has a huge gas grid that currently supplies energy to about 85 percent of the the buildings in the uk uh the challenge is going to be can we actually use that with with hydrogen and do we want to for the future and particularly if we're reducing the amount of hydrogen that's being used what's the future of the gas grid so there's a lot of work going on there um and i've mentioned storage already but if you're trying to balance renewables you're probably talking about terawatts of terawatt hours of storage um which is a huge amount and we have sort of great stuff salt caverns of or salt fields where we can hollow out salt caverns which will store sort of significant amounts of hydrogen but when you're talking about terawatts or even tens of terawatt hours um you may well be having to look at using depleted oil fields or depleted gas fields putting hydrogen into those areas so there's the research going on there and i'll talk a little bit more about some of the works going on on end use in a minute so these are some of the projects that we've got going as far as innovation funding is is concerned the moment and we've divided our innovation funding into production storage distribution and end use and you can see we've got programs that are still covering um all the various areas we've got i'll talk about the the hydrogen production ones later we've got a number of programs looking at sort of distribution and questions about can you blend hydrogen as a way of getting from where we are at the moment to where we need to be and um we have projects that are looking at this the future infrastructure and um what we need to do as far as that's concerned so wide range of projects um and the big thing about most of this work is it's not just paper studies now people are actually doing work on the ground we're producing um hydrogen boilers that actually still operate on hydrogen we're blending hydrogen into the gas grid we're producing um electrolyzers and connecting them up to renewable plant and distributing the hydrogen to demonstrate that all of these components actually work on the ground rather than simply more and more studies this is the the high for heat program and key points that we're um we're looking at here is to produce um produced products for the future um so we are producing at the moment hydrogen cookers we're producing hydrogen boilers and we're producing hydrogen fires to demonstrate that you can actually um convert in effect a a methane burner into a hydrogen burner i'm conscious i've got very little time left so i will actually skip through what's going on in the hydrogen supply competition and um just bring us to the um so there's the key points at the end um that we really see there are four star main areas that we need to focus on one of which is of developing our key strategic approach for the future secondly is the policy frameworks that are going to be needed to support hydrogen is it that we're going to support production or are we going to drive deployment um that's key question here is the one that's the chicken and egg and which comes first and that's an area that there's a lot of work going on at the moment and i've already mentioned some of the funding that's going into the hydrogen projects and that brings me to the end of my presentation i think just about on time so um thank you very much and i do look forward to the question and answer session that's to follow thank you thanks john um exciting set of um of uh of projects there in the uk and and certainly um some opportunities for collaboration uh with with singapore um talking of which um i'd now like to hand a hand over to uh professor chan um who will uh enlighten us a little bit more on what's happening in singapore over to you professor professor if you could unmute yourself please are you able to see my screen yes we can see it professor thanks um well um very good afternoon to all of you my name is sh chan i'm from nanyang technological university i'd like to share with you the hydrogen and fusion activities in singapore so i want to start i want to start with giving you some background okay um the rationale behind the hydrogen economy in my opinion came from two important drivers one on energy security while the other one is on the sustainability today's the focus is on their sustainability for singapore to be internationally recognized for its decarbonization effort the target is to achieve 21 to 33 million tons of uh carbon generation annually by 2050 which means that reducing is about we have to reduce about 18.2 to 30.2 million tons of a co2 from a 27 uh 2017 level so here you can see that you know based on ipcc assessment report 5 on the 30 uh mark as well as a 15 mark this will come up with this number 21 to 33 million tons so last year at the singapore international energy week ministers of nti mr tanjun singh share singapore's story he started with four types which addresses our waters technology issue to uh four switches that is related to our future energy need these four switches is actually corresponding to four strategy you know on energy efficiency renewable energy energy management as well as the alternative energy the first switch is natural gas 95 percent of singapore electricity is generated using natural gas which is the penis of fossil fuels of today and the natural gas will continue to be a dominant field in the next 50 years right so um while we are scaling up our other switches so government will help the jenko to improve the efficiency right of the power plant so we will continue to use a natural gas the second switch is solar singapore's most promising is a renewable source um well we have a very poor kind of a wind powers you know our wind speed on the average basis is less than two meters per second which is three volts so compared to a win solas stood up more prominently our first target is 350 megawatt peak by 2020 actually is now we are on track the second target is actually is the two gigawatt peaks by the 2030s and uh the energy storage the deployments target will be uh 200 megawatts beyond 2025. the third switch is a regional power grid uh we will continue we will explore way to tap on the regional power grid to assess the energy that is more cost competitive this could be realized through a bilateral collaboration or the original kind of initiative the last one is what we are going to discuss today is you know the uh low carbon alternative more specifically the hydrogen and ccus so you can see a two pathway here the brown color one and the green color one the brown one is the existing energy pathway so we start from uh you know uh import the uh petroleum products as well as the crude oil and after processing it becomes the refined chemical and of course it generates the co2 on the other hand we use a lot of natural gas mainly for power generation and it produced co2 as well another application of the natural gas is uh through the uh um natural gas reforming to produce the hydrogens and the hydrogen is mixed with the natural gas and use it for home cooking right and the green color one is a potential decarbonization or low carbon pathway what you can see here that because of our limited renewable energy that we have so we will rely on import hydrogen from oversea preferably from asean country and australia so the hydrogen can be in the form of a liquid hydrogen or organics hydrates or even ammonia right on the other hand as i mentioned that uh natural gas will be continuous as our main source of buffy in the next 50 years we will we will derive the hydrogens from uh natural gas through a process called pyrolysis right or we call it uh natural gas are cracking producing the hydrogens and the solid carbon uh concurrently so of course the carbon has a lot of uh application you know like for example you can use it in the tire it can be use it in a rope or the construction materials so apart from this you know we um the hydrogen that we produce will be used um you know in the power generation uh you know through a process through through the so-called uh he ng hydrogen enhance the natural gas and burn it in the gas turbine and on the other hand we will work on the uh uh carbon captures as well as the utilization converting the co2 into chemical products so these are some of the studies and this has been presented to a scientific advisory board of national research and foundation recently and there are three studies here the first studies include the test dating of a hydrogen import using different carrier more specifically uh ammonia mch as well as the liquid hydrogen and the next one will be on the regeneration of the hydrogen like crackings of ammonias and mch and regasification of the liquid hydrogen on the methane pyrolysis part we will use this to kick-start the hydrogen economy and the hydrogens and the carbon productions are integrated right so uh this enabling the combined values to achieve a lower cost and more importantly at the end end of the day still the cost matters and then the third one will be a downstream application uh including you know um use it in the gas fire power plant and the ccu on the company capture part you will look at in look into the mof you know metal organics framework and membrane separation technology and on the utilization we will look into the co2 fuel right converting more specifically to uh methanol as well as a kerosene and next will be the co2 to the aggregate you know natural kind of a mineralization to create a non-structural building materials now i'd like to share with you some of the activities in singapore so this paper was published in 2016 a little bit outdated and it's actually the an update version from the one that published in the two zero zero six in a uh fuselage bouletin and this paper is actually in the international journal of hydrogen energy uh named as the the title is fuel cell and hydrogen technology research development and demonstration uh activities in singapore is actually a country report so there are some actually these were exerted from that papers that uh what would like to uh highlight is a two major investment that uh singapore has made one is 100 million us dollars of investment into uh rolls-royce fuel cell on the solid oxide fuel cell development in two zero zero five and another one is in 2015 an investment in intelligent energy which is another british companies so um we also hosted two international conference we actually run the first world hydrogen technologies convention back in the 2005 and two years ago in 2018 we organized hypothesis 13 which stands for hydrogen power theoreticals and engineering solution international symposium um in 2018 may we i actually is representing ntu to sign mou to promote the hydrogen economy with china's korea's japans and korean hydrogen association so we hope uh this will become you know a network for us to promote the hydrogen society so you can see that just now the paper captures the information up to 2016 and i extend it to uh 2000 you can see that these are the major activities that are related to hydrogens and fuel cell and i would like to us highlight this step there was a studies on hydrogen import and downstream application for singapore and commissioned by uh pmo so um yeah i think so time's up and uh i'd like to share that my hydrogen journey started uh with the collaboration with british guests on natural gas reformings and seems time we have been working on different types of uh hydrogen's uh generation technology as well as a fuel cell technology and lately that we are putting in a lot of effort on meeting cracking process we also have a spin-off this is my last slide you know uh a spin-off company uh making the key components for the pen fuel cell and you can see here that you know uh deputy prime minister hing sriket actually visited my company last year in guangzhou that's all about my presentation thank you very much thank you professor uh very uh exciting set of activities happening here in singapore and clearly uh lots of opportunity for collaboration um and uh also thank you to the audience for for sending in your questions they're already coming in so um do like those ones that you're particularly interested in um right well now we'll hand over to uh someone in the oil and gas industry so i'll hand over to andreas prozenecki andres over to you we can see your slides and dress but you're on mute um if you could unmute yourself and dress there we go sorry i was struggling a little bit there with the um my screen froze so welcome everybody uh andreas przenecke is my name i'm the senior strategy advisor for bp australia um tagged to the sales and marketing business and focused at the moment on a number of alternative energy projects including hydrogen as it pertains to the australian market and working on one of the major projects that we've got going on in australia which i'm really excited to tell you all about later but i thought i'd open up a little bit with um sort of a background about hydrogen because b you know hydrogen in the oil and gas industry is not a new energy effect there's a lot of excitement um going on at the moment but we've been working with hydrogen for 50 years in our refining business as a input and output um in fact we used to sell hydrogen to to some of our collaborators like boc and got a lot of experience with hydrogen all the way back to the early 2000s where um we actually ran um a pilot global pilot tagged with with singapore as one of the one of the destinations as well as the us and australia into fcev refuelling stations but i think the difference between some of these false dawns of the past and what's happening now is just the real alignment of government um the clean energy net zero agenda um and also the shareholder pressures that some of our companies as well as um our end users are facing so the amount of activity and the exciting partnerships that are being struck up around the world in the mobility space in the industrial and mining sector which are some of the companies that want some of the fastest moving in this space as they aim to decarbonize production with the use of hydrogen in both their power plants and the mobile plant yellow goods section of their businesses as well as export projects looking to ship sunshine from australia to destinations such as japan singapore and korea it's really an exciting time so i think i'm using bp as an example but there are a number of our other companies in these in this sector that also have net zero agendas and they're really actively looking at decarbonising i won't go through the entire strategy i'll just point out that i think that the the real key levers that we're looking at here is obviously net zero to our operations and then halving the carbon intensity of the products that we sell so that's not going to be possible unless we're selling clean or products with zero carbon and as such there are obviously a couple of key levers that we've got to play with which include offsets sequestration and hydrogen so being a fundamental pillar of our strategy as well as a strategy of a number of the oil majors um you really get the um get the confidence that this is really going to happen and this is really a a target that we can achieve if we look at the projections of where we see hydrogen consumption um globally going forward out to 2050 um we see that we're starting from today from a really low base but with within an ambition to get to between 6 and sixteen percent um hydrogen consumption as part of the total energy mix um and if we look at what the breakdown of that is like is estimated to be um transportation is going to account for roughly about 20 of that which means a lot of it is going to come from industrial industrial uses so feedstock or some of those other high intensity industries which means it is a total hydrogen economic solution it's not just a an oil and gas sector that's shifting across but there's collaborators from all industries that are going to be partaking in in the hydrogen economy if this is where we're going to end up in terms of where it's um expected to be consumed um i guess no no real surprise that china and some of the other um asian african sort of economies are likely to be high usage uses of hydrogen going forward in terms of thomas touched on a number of you have touched on the two different pathways for hydrogen obviously green hydrogen is the expected long-term solution because it has the potential to get down to the lowest cost um what what's needed to happen there is obviously that the component the electrolyzer componentry and also the renewable so the pv or the wind power capital costs need to come down um and and until that takes place which is expected to be around 20 30 could be the sort of crossover that's being projected um blue hydrogen has a major role to play as a transition um to enable hydrogen to to be used in in the interim until green really becomes commercial up until that point um it's going to be very difficult to see see green playing a dominant role having said that um which pathway of hydrogen is going to be largely dependent on the feedstock availability of where where in the world are you and what resources do you have available to it to enable um generation of clean hydrogen so the renewable resource is obviously going to be key and where we're sitting in australia we have really strong renewable resource and and therefore green hydrogen is is largely going to be um going to be preferred and also i guess aligned to that is the importance of policy incentives and subsidies to get some of these really expensive high capital costs and at this point not commercial projects off the ground the consumption hubs are likely to be the eu and northeast asia with australia and the middle east likely to be providing and exporting hydrogen into those locations through various energy carriers in terms of the types of applications that we're seeing as early adoption and most likely to take the majority of the demand for hydrogen heavy transport's been mentioned before obviously there are a number of characteristics of hydrogen as a fuel that gives it an advantage position relative to electrification especially in countries such as australia where we're traveling large distances hauling large amounts of um product um which means that the weight penalty that you you face from from electrification is significant which means that the the sort of the hydrogen trucking long distance buses um rail um and also potentially shipping are likely to be um applications that attract a large amount of hydrogen um in input the other thing that's unique to australia is these large industrial clusters such as the mining industry in the pilbara or the gold fields where um where it's likely that you can deploy scale hydrogen production at scale and therefore service that that region is transporting um while hydrogen is much prefer preferred to say electricity in this in the way that it's able to be transported that's still going to be the logistics of covering getting it across a country the size of australia is going to be significantly prohibitive the other one i want to really touch on is export which obviously the ability to ship renewable energy requires some significant technology um or supply chains to be proved out so whether it's done through liquid hydrogen carriers as some projects are investigating or using ammonia as a carrier to get it across across the ocean that then requires the conversion back into hydrogen if you that was the end use application um so that still has to be proved out that that's um commercial commercially viable in terms of the locations it's um no secret that it's australia uh china the uk uh sorry us and then europe that we're focusing on strategically um touching on australia i want to talk about um one of the major projects that we've um we've undertaken to start here as bp we're working collaboratively together with arena the australian renewable energy organization as well as light source bp to develop um a a feasibility study into hydrogen production facility and ammonia um product uh synthesis plant uh we've done built in two phases looking to ship across to um to asia and um to japan and korea um i wanted to skip ahead because i'm running out of time um there's a lot of projects going on i'll touch on them you can read the slides later but um billions and billions of dollars are being pledged to large-scale domestic and export production facilities but i think what's what's what's key is that there are a number of challenges technical and commercial at the moment to make hydrogen a reality from the technical perspective we believe these are all manageable solutions obviously the scaling up of some of these plants so electrolysis electrolyzes they're currently manufactured at small scale and hand-made in factories um that are now being um automated but um we believe that those are all manageable and it's really the the commercial sides or the commercial um challenges such as the vehicle bringing the vehicle costs down which will happen with scale and as the supply chain and production um gets more automated and scale numbers come up but the um the sort of chicken and the egg nature of um infrastructure and refueling stations um distribution costs for long distances in australia um and some of the shipping shipping challenges are all um are all causing at the moment hydrogen to be um commercially not viable and needing to be solved going forward so subsidies and partnerships are going to play a really really key role in um ensuring that the cost curves come down and and we succeed but um it's certainly um an exciting future and i think um i think we're um yeah we're on this journey and um yeah it's really exciting thanks toms thanks santoros um so uh just before we um we move on to to nigel holmes i uh i realized that cara has to go to a ministerial briefing shortly so um uh high commissioner have you have you got any thoughts for us and and any um questions that you might or challenges you might add for the for the q a session you're on mute at the moment thank you very much uh thomas so really fascinating presentations where i think what really strikes me is just the uh pace and the momentum that is existing around the kind of development of commercial options but also massive amounts of investment in research i think uh for me um working out when we go through the rest of the discussion the areas where actually uh strengths there are um what i mean complementary strengths uh between singapore and the uk in the research field to help us uh guide us into the next stage and being really clear about how that links into what industry uh is doing so i think singapore and the uk have a really good track record of integrating um both deep research with commercial development of commercial applications kind of almost simultaneously so that is the question that i've got in my mind and also thinking uh as well about some of the questions around some of the key sectors that could make use of this technology if only we could get to that point safely and cheaply including for example shipping and having two major maritime centres um in the uk and singapore that's something that i'd really like to start thinking about thank you so much for inviting me really interesting thank you very much for joining um right so uh thank you um uh to the speakers so far uh our last speaker is nigel holmes uh of the uh scottish hydrogen and fuel cell association over to you nigel thank you thomas let me just share my screen um and that should be on the first slide is that okay yep that's great thank you excellent um so good afternoon singapore uh greetings from scotland and what i'd like to do uh in 10 minutes with a lot of slides is to just go through uh basically uh what's happening in scotland uh the context and give you some examples of projects that are happening and how we're looking to develop the hygiene economy with a mixture of hydrogen supply infrastructure and demand very quickly about the association this is just some of our members we've got over 100 active members plus many more associates and together we're actually helping to build scotland's hydrogen economy why are we doing this well i think it's been already said very clearly we have climate change we need to have rapid action we don't have that much time to do it john's already mentioned the committee on climate change and they gave us some very you know stretch targets for scotland you'll see them here um in terms of not just um the 100 by 2050 but actually five years earlier in scotland why because scotland's blessed with a lot of renewables um and they believe this is achievable um we've already seen the uh reductions in greenhouse gas emissions um again yes similar to the rest of the uk we've had more than 40 production uh in greenhouse gas emissions and we've also seen um the reduction in the uh gas you know the greenhouse gas emissions from electricity and this is very much the similar kind of charts that john used um but the point i'd like to just mention is that you know for scottish electricity generation we're now well under 50 grams per kilowatt hour for the electricity generation in scotland um largely due to to renewables but we do still have some legacy nuclear so this is very much about the energy transition um that the high commissioner you mentioned this earlier about the importance of making this happen quicker um we've closed down all of the coal power stations last year closed over four years ago and we're now putting up a lot of renewables um this is just a chart showing some of the the growth of renewables um i need to get the the latest version to show you where we are now but i think you'll get the picture and the the level of renewables in scotland is going up very very quickly but this is only part of the picture you know decarbonizing electricity is important but we also have transport and heat heat representing about a half of scotland's final energy demand and transport about a quarter so the other challenge that we have to consider is with heat in particular in scotland it's not always that warm in the winter and what you see here is the chart that shows the annual variation of energy demand the heat power and transport uh from from over the year and you can see the the light green shows clearly the the seasonal demand for for heat in the winter goes up by a lot so just to put this in context i'd take to take you through some of the projects that we've delivered in scotland um starting with the very north of scotland uh the orkney islands where they're already more than self-sufficient in electrical supply from renewables in fact they have more renewables than they can cope with on many days and because of that there's been projects already developed looking at taking constrained renewables community wind turbines on the islands of median chaplaincy and actually converting that into hydrogen moving it down to the mainland of orkney where it's used for heat transport and power and this is just one of the projects that's been been underway surf and turf um which developed into the big hit project um and we can see the ferry behind you which is used to bring the hydrogen from the islands down to the uh down to the port of kirkwall in kirkwall as well i just thought i'd mention this one um is as we're also looking at the applications in heat and john might in the questions take a take a question about the green distilleries competition that bayes has just opened and transport yeah we talked about um we've heard comments about uh planes buses um in in orkney they're actually doing some trials of a plane running on hydrogen electric fuel cell plane this year and the key thing here is that aviation emissions are becoming increasingly important in terms of how we achieve net zero shipping's been mentioned well we're not quite shipping but we're moving people and goods around the orkney islands using ferries and we already have the the ferry on the right the heidi project which is partly decarbonized with the auxiliary power and the fuel cell ferry on the left moving down to fife the hydrogen office was actually opened in 2011 and since then it's been the home to a number of projects including the first waste collection vehicle running on hydrogen um and moving on to in in fife the h100 project has also been one of the next steps that we're going to be carrying out with developing a hydrogen network for up to 300 houses and this is going to be an important step in the evidence for the wider d-carb nice decarbonization of the uk gas networks fife just north of edinburgh beautiful location in terms of a mixture of um potential offshore uh onshore renewables um domestic and industrial demand aberdeen um so you heard aberdeen mentioned uh previously um yeah one of the first locations for buses in in the hydrogen buses in the uk london was first and then aberdeen um this is the fleet in aberdeen the buses are about to be uh joined by a new fleet of double-decker buses so um as well as london you will have them running around in in aberdeen very shortly um and aberdeen also hosts a fuel cell combined heat and power and this is a big exhibition center just outside aberdeen and this is a doosan project um and it actually does provide hydrogen as well which could be used for transport aberdeen has got a legacy of oil and gas and the key thing about aberdeen is how we can start to use that legacy of experience skills and assets to actually start to build the hydrogen supply in the area and the key part of this will be we've heard a discussion about green and blue so blue hydrogen using carbon capture storage is essentially the acorn project that's in fergus just north of aberdeen um so that goes through stages of building up the the storage and then starting to also have the potential to bring in co2 from other locations around the uk or europe and to actually offer that facility for for co2 sequestration um it's building on existing assets pipelines facilities and fergus so it's very much about the energy transition from oil and gas to low carbon so just to wrap up you know where do we go from here and the key thing is that as well as the existing assets there is a massive potential for offshore wind um there's a comment earlier about um the eu being a potentially large demand hub but could be uh you know a bit constrained on space well the great thing is in scotland we've got plenty of space and fantastic with offshore wind potential a recent study indicates that we've got potentially 735 gigawatts of offshore wind economically viable potential and what does this mean well means we can join together the offshore wind the repurposing of oil and gas assets to really start to drive forward the the supply and the infrastructure for hydrogen this gives us in turn the potential to start to meet some of the demands for industry and heat at scale and some of the questions that have come up have been about you know how do you actually start to um you know sort of use this effectively storage and this this will be a key element of taking this forward geological storage potentially in old oil and gas fields and there's work going on in edinburgh with references you can follow here and the other key thing is about using infrastructure to join the production and the demand together so the the chart you see here is from the hydrogen europe project the yellow lines are essentially the the hydrogen backbone pipelines that could be built to join together supply and demand throughout europe so very much about the infrastructure and so the key message i'd like to leave you with is that scotland is already you're learning by doing and we want to now move to leading by example the key thing about the hydrogen economy is that we need supply we need the infrastructure and we need the demand and to actually build it we need to do it with both green and blue hydrogen if we do it well this is what we should end up with so we're transitioning to the future energy system and i hope that we'll be seeing you in glasgow in november 2021 thank you very much for listening thank you nigel um that was uh an incredible number of slides in a in your 10 minutes there very impressive so i shall be reading those with with interest when i get a chance um and thank you to to all speakers and to uh and to you the audience for for um uh sending in some of your questions um so uh i'll just uh launch straight into those um and ask various different speakers to to talk on those um i won't ask you all to to answer each question as they're quite a few and we want to try and get through it but um one thing that i will ask you all for your very brief thoughts on is is um hydrants obviously looking uh singapore's obviously looking at a variety of different carriers for for hydrogen and are there some lessons learned uh that are happening in the uk and actually in in australia with with bp andreas uh that you think uh singapore should should um consider so maybe if i can put that one to you andreas first and then i'll then i'll ask uh others yeah so as uh sort of didn't get the chance to talk to but there are a number of projects currently working on looking at proving up that supply chain so in terms of how do we how do we transport the the renewable energy so the two most um i guess test anticipated are ammonia so bubbling the hydrogen into ammonia and then shipping it on containers or liquid hydrogen which comes with a lot of challenges because of the um the volume of hydrogen that you have to um that you have to ship and the temperatures you have to get it down to so to get that to avoid having the volume you have to get it down to almost uh zero um absolute zero to to liquefy it um so there's a project the hesk project in the latrobe valley in victoria really looking at that um supply chain to prove up it's led by marabini iwatomi um and kawasaki to um test that supply chain they're looking at a liquid hydrogen ship so um to keep they'll be pretty close to actually getting the results from that project this year or early next year so that might be one to keep keep your eye on yeah thank you um john are there are there any thoughts that the uk have have been looking at in terms of transportation of hydrogen and and potentially export of hydrogen from the uk um i i i guess most of the uk's focus at the moment has been internally on how do we make transport hydrogen by pipeline um the we're watching what's going on in the stuff the australian of japan stuff axis with transporting by ship with interest um and you know there's some a number of options there as andreas mentioned i mean the other one that's perhaps the further off um but might be more um you know assuming the technology actually works instead of liquid organic hydrogen carriers and whether there are some um solutions along those lines so that you know we've got research that's going on at the early stages but when it comes to demonstrations that's not where our focus is at the moment our hope is that by the time we are looking at using large amounts of hydrogen or have significant amounts of surplus hydrogen um there will be solutions that are sort of adopted but i certainly wouldn't want to be picking a winner at the moment yeah yeah yeah okay well so we'll be getting it like we get our renewable electricity we'll get our hydrogen shipped down from from scotland uh in into the uk with all their excess wind um well the hope is with that that we can use the existing gas grid to do that so yes um you know the issue is if you're actually importing over continental distances rather than countryside distances yeah yeah and i i wondered professor whether you thought um because you mentioned some of the switches that singapore are looking at and and one of those being a regional uh power grid whether you thought there was a potential for a for a regional hydrogen grid or at least a a hydrogen connection to some of singapore's neighbors you're currently on mute um there is a asean network called costi committees of science technology and innovation in particular there's a focus group called sustainable energy research and this can be the interesting for discussion among audio asean country and it is beyond technology there's a lot of uh different kind of political agenda behind but i think that it is timely to discuss two things one is the power grid and the other one is the guesswick uh well i think i totally agree that you know we have done a lot of study that if the distance is more than 1 500 kilometers uh shipping their hydrogens by vessel is more economical shorter than that you know we can use the gas pipeline so knowing that singapore locations is uh very close to malaysia indonesia you know and also we can consider even vietnam vietnam's rich in renewable energy you know from dhanan and above you can see that uh you know a lot of renewable energy resources that they can actually so especially the offshore wind they can convert it to the hydrogen and then sell the hydrogens you know as one of the our business thank you yeah thank you thank you um there was a question about why we're we're focusing on on blue hydrogen which actually came in before andrea spoke and i think he he did a good job at answering that in his presentation it's it's really comes down to price um i did a project in the uk where we were looking at blue hydrogen versus green hydrogen and and you know it was three times the price even when you included ccs um so you know when solar gets down and you know when offshore wind in say vietnam gets to the stage where it's it's very uh it's very cheap and we have surplus supply then there's lots of of potential for for for green hydrogen but at the moment um it's not commercially viable and you know my own personal view is whatever way we can save carbon we should do that and not least also we can engage uh the oil and gas industry um in blue hydrogen rather easier than we can engage them uh in in green hydrogen and therefore getting their their huge capital expenditure involved in that would be a good thing in my view um so another question that's been been asked actually um is whether uh whether we can the uk is considering um uh uh uh shipping as a a potential um uh solution for uh or hydrogen as a potential solution for shipping and and given that singapore is is the third the world's third largest bunkering location how close um do you think uh professor singapore is to to decarbonizing its shipping uh using hydrogen yeah um it will not mistaken that maritime industries contribute to seven percent of singapore gdp so it's a pretty important industry and you know uh we are seriously looking into the carbonization not just for the shipping but for the port as well so we have started some studies and uh conducted a study before our partners csiro in australians and looking into the ammonia application for maritime sectors the direct firings the ammonias into the internal combustion engine or use it in the solar oxide fuel cell ammonia is not an easy gas to deal with which is worse than the hydrogen at least hydrogen is order is no smell right um if you look at the ammonias the challenging part is that it is not only explosive it is corrosive it is toxic right so um to handle the ammonia that we need to do a lot of the studies beyond the technology like for example how to handle the safety you know thing like this so this is a part of the studies uh with our collaborators um csiro thank you professor um one for you nigel um uh have you got any particular thoughts on the differences and parallels between uh singapore and um and scotland well yes um but i think as always the the devil's in the detail with these uh questions um so we absolutely have you know things in common in terms of the you know general numbers of population i think in singapore is not dissimilar to that in you scotland we're very much you know island um you know sort of nature in terms of what we have um but you know the detail could be around you know for example in scotland as i mentioned the opportunity with offshore wind is looking compelling and you know the the trends that we're seeing and i appreciate your comment about the respective cross green and blue um all i would say is that this is a fast moving space and i'm looking forward to the wood mckenzie report that's due out next week um because they they seem to be looking at some much more ambitious targets for green hydrogen over a shorter period of time so i think i think um the point that was you know mentioned earlier about the opportunities for collaboration between singer and singapore and scotland is absolutely right both in terms of the research collaboration also the commercial partnerships and there are areas where i think singapore has uh some fantastic resources um i believe singapore is actually host the first fuel cell company in the word world to be profitable horizon fuel cells i believe uh won that accolade a few years back um they're actively working on the development of hydrogen fuel cell trucks um we've got hydrogen fuel cell buses there has to be some kind of interplay here between the uk and singapore um to actually come out as a win-win situation yeah yeah yeah um and and there are i think the other big background i would i would suggest is that um although singapore doesn't have um uh an upstream uh oil and gas uh industry like scotland uh obviously it does have a very large oil and gas industry um much like scotland does so uh a number of parallels there um someone asked the questions whether the speakers slides will be available and um yes they will um and and uh britt chan will arrange circulation of that um uh after the talk so so please do keep an eye on their website for that um another question which uh has come through actually i wonder what um uh the panel think uh singapore can play in um southeast asia to facilitate a hydrogen economy um in your work uh john with with bays and policy um looking to stimulate a hydrogen economy and we've heard lots about the the costs of hydrogen versus other forms of fuel how do you see the uk making uh a commercial case for hydrogen production and and could singapore follow follow suit and i'll come to you afterwards professor with with the same question um thank you i mean i think the high commissioners to put it quite well to begin with that um the cost of doing nothing um is even worse than the cost of trying to decarbonize and um you know the costs associated with hydrogen are more significant than i'm continuing to pump large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere but we need to look um in the rounds at the overall cost to society and the planet and that's where you know we we need to be going need to be going and the you know the big driver i think is the nations to show that it can be done and that's really what the uk is trying to do at the moment and where singapore i believe could be a leader as well is demonstrating that some of these technologies work um and that you can base your economy around them um and i think that's probably most of my driver is the you know the people who go first are going to get the first mover advantage um but they're also going to be leading the way as far as the rest of the world is concerned the uk currently only emits about two percent of the world's um carbon emissions so we're not going to change the the face of carbon emissions ourselves but what we can do is show people a pathway and encourage others to go down that route yeah yeah certainly uh creating a pathway um some of the targets in europe could certainly stimulate it and we've obviously seen germany um put a big onus on hydrogen uh recently um and and i have heard rumors of the uk considering a a feed-in tariff or a contract for difference for for hydrogen um i won't ask a government department to comment on that um right now but but uh we we've got some time before we get there um but i imagine that might be one way in which it's facilitated and my my own calculations on a project um on the uh on the isle of grain in the uk were that actually the cost uh needed for a feed-in tariff to fill that gap essentially for gas was um would have been less than uh what the uk put into uh carbon reduction from offshore wind uh in the early feed-in tariffs so so um there is you know there there is a pathway for that um professor um chan do you do you think that singapore might instigate some sort of feed-in tariff or incentive that would make the commercial case for hydrogen production um well we started the carbon tax in the 2019 and uh this actually is uh has an impact on oil refineries as well as the power generation so people started to look into how to mitigate the co2 you know one option is a cc us and singapore is a very small country and the dynamic here is that you know in order to capture the co2 and convert it into the useful stuff you need a hydrogen unless you use a co2 without the need of a hydrogen and a hydrogen is expensive as we all know and singapore has a limited renewable energy and we have to rely on you know import a hydrogen from or overseas so this is a dynamic that you know if your hydrogen cost is a high why don't you use the hydrogen straight away instead of convert it into other types of view like for example uh methane right um co2 and the methane that meeting is pretty cheap natural gas is pretty cheap uh uh you know i think uh currently the uh natural gas cost is a historically low um about two us dollars per mm etu so using the expensive uh hydrogen and convert it into a cheap natural gas or methane it doesn't make sense unless we uh convert it into a high value product such as a kerosene you know for aerospace industry so yeah my point here is that you know it's all looking into the economies and uh everything's boiling down to the cost and uh which is you know uh very challenging for us to uh you know for this partner thank you yeah yeah no that that is a big challenge andreas perhaps i could uh bring you in here and and um just trying to other than of course bp's targets and targets of other uh big oil and gas companies what do you think will will need to be done uh to trigger a hydrogen economy and and how could that happen in southeast asia in particular i think it has to be a full value chain solution so um there's no there's not going to be any partners that have the whole value chain um all the way from production to end use under their under their roof so it's going to be partnerships across um you know using the best of breed from multiple sources to come together and sort of share that risk in the initial stages where it's potentially not commercial and you need to kind of build that scale and build that sort of chicken and the egg ecosystem to get those scale economies both on the component side from a manufacturing perspective but but i think also in the sort of skills and um and um you know experience in uh in working and working with them with the the sort of you know operational aspects because i mean one thing that we haven't really touched on is also the safety aspect of hydrogen as well which um obviously um bp obviously very um safety conscious and we've got experience with with working with hydrogen but um it's not without risk so um once again just um i think um yeah i'd say partnership is a key and potentially subsidies in the initial stages as well to help along help us along the journey yeah um okay thank you very much for that um i i just um wonder whether anyone has got any thoughts on um end of life disposal of uh electrodes and electrolyzers in fuel cells um has anyone got any view on that there was a question asked i can just make a quick comment there thomas um that there has been work carried out by the um fuel cell and hydrogen joint undertaking as part of their project activities on the recycling of fuel cells and essentially a fuel cell because it's made up in a stack you can take it apart you can have the metal bits you can have the plastic bits and then they can be recycled so the potential is for a very high recovery rate from fuel cells and i think a similar approach would also work for electrolyzers um the the pem electrolyzer in many respects is is a fuel cell just working the other way around so one you stick in the hydrogen and the oxygen the air you get the power out the other you put the power in and you get the hydrogen and the oxygen so in terms of recycling and materials recovery i think you'll find that both have got very very high recovery potential okay well thank you very much to to all of our speakers again and thank you to to to you the audience uh we've reached our uh deadline of 5 30. um so yeah thank you to everyone thank you also to uh brit cham to ippf and to the energy institute um and also to uh the the high commission and the high commissioner for attending um with that um i think we'll end and uh please do get in touch with with any of the speakers and brit cham will of course um be posting uh a a set of slides for you all to review at your leisure i know we went through a lot of information very quickly so thank you very much and have a good evening or good rest of your day if you're in the in the uk many thanks thank you thomas uh tim speaking again uh thank you uh on behalf of the committee to all of the panelists for joining us i think that was a tremendous session lots of collaboration there i'd also just like to re-emphasize that there are materials on the registration page that you can access on hydrogen if you want more the replay will be available and we will try to get the slides available to you as well shortly there are events coming up we've got an event on waste to energy on october the 6th not yet publicized please mark your diaries we've got follow-up events with the energy institute on shipping that's coming up on october the 10th and then as i mentioned carbon capture utilization is uh another event we've got planned for later on this year as well as an event we'll be doing on cop26 at the singapore international energy week so with all of our partners in singapore we're trying to foster more collaboration more engagement more synergies between the energy industry the infrastructure sector finance right across britsham right across the board so with that you can see there are some other events coming up there we have the awards coming up at the end of the month as well we look forward to everybody joining us at future britcham events thank you very much i think that was a tremendous event congratulations to everybody and thank you you

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