Deep Dialogues Episode 27 THE AGE OF AQUARIUS with PAM GREGORY

hello this is the voice of stuart pierce and welcome to deep dialogues a series of vital conversations that i have with global soul stewards from all over the world who provide us with an understanding of how we can create a new hierarchy of values that is absolutely significant at this unique time of becoming i hope you enjoy and thanks for listening always slightly disturbing hearing one's own voice on the outside of one pam welcome welcome welcome everybody welcome welcome welcome we have the most wonderful guests this evening for deep dialogues as you see this beautiful lady sitting in front of us pam gregory and pam you're you're in the new forest aren't you yes i am it's beautiful just exquisite today because the light was so clear and bright it was i just gloried in it it was wonderful yeah i'm very lucky to be surrounded by a lot of trees here and ponies and donkeys and that's wonderful i was in the new forest many many years ago when we were building shakespeare's globe theater we wanted to find oak that was 450 years ago and indeed the master woodsman found some in the new forest and we built um the globe out of english oak apart from the two trees that hold the heavens and the earth together on stage and one was scots and one was welsh well welcome everybody let me introduce you to dear pam um by giving you a little bit of a wonderful bio so apparently this wonderful lady discovered astrology by accident at the age of 21 and and consequently became fascinated by the art of astrological reading and has been doing this for over 40 years whilst living in different areas of the world pam has become well known as a highly popular go-to astrologer with her wonderfully grounded approach and i note from your youtube channel that you are an extremely well investigated astronomer meaning you have um very very high numbers for all of your videos so it's absolutely wonderful that people are tuning into your force so as you've just discovered today pam is running a very busy practice in the new forest in the south of england and has a very active youtube channel entitled pam gregory astrology pam is also an author on author s of two books you don't really believe in astrology do you and the best-selling how to co-create using the secret language of the universe so welcome welcome welcome it's thank you joy to be with you stuart wonderful to have you here well having just heard that little sketch of a very illustrious life that you've had that you're having um what is the heart and the soul of astrology for you well i think it's a sacred language of divine intelligence that enables us to live with a deeper sense of meaning and meaning of course is so vital to feel that your life is valuable and right now particularly with the current situation and people having very tough times lockdown having lost businesses etc that there can be a pervading sense of meaning less for many people uh meaninglessness for many people but what astrology can do is to give you this greater sense of of purpose and divine organizing intelligence behind everything even if times are tough you can see the message behind why we have to go through tough times to often get us to a better place so the birth chart really is a kind of interpenetration of this language this sacred language of divine intelligence to intersecting with your concrete life on this earth it's like crosswise in a compass and that's what is so wonderful so when i have sessions with clients from the birth chart i can really very clearly see what the issues are that have prompted them to come to me whether it's in the area of money or health or relationships or whatever now i won't know what the specific events and experiences are i'm not working psychically in that way but i will very clearly understand the underpinnings of the archetypes and the geometry that have probably brought brought them to me and so it's it's really in those discussions that i can help them to see that whatever is playing out in their lives is is partly purposeful for them but if they live to those planetary archetypes at a higher level of being life could be more comfortable and and actually even more magnificent because an analogy i've used a lot and this will echo with your world too stuart is that the the birth chart is your unique sheet of music because it will never be repeated in history again that particular pattern and so that says all of us are special because it's unique but it it doesn't really state what what level of consciousness you you could live it at so it gives you the pattern but the frequency is down to our level of consciousness so you can play your music in a corner or an old tin box and have a very small life or you can you can be lead violinist in a international orchestra and have a magnificent life and shine your life on the world shine your light on the world so it is um i i think it is hugely illuminating for people to help them understand their purpose and their meaning and what their particular pattern is in this lifetime because it's very crystallizing and validating for them very often amazing so um if mr world came to you for reading right now and said dear pam i've lost the meaning for my existence what would you say to mr world well i would do several hours of preparation on the chart you know because i don't just sit down and do it you know that it was so easy but i do several hours of preparation going through all the layers because this is like kind of because it's such a interlocking series of archetypes and geometry it's like a i hesitate to use the word matrix but it's like a 97 dimensional jigsaw as it were so i have to analyze all those layers and then it starts to come alive as a kind of humming hologram of meaning for me then it becomes very clear and because it's unique to each individual i've got to do that individual preparation but then it becomes very exciting because by then i'm starting to read it literally as music just analysis so um and then i'm able to sort of help people and what i'm it's interesting we were talking just before the show about the ancient greeks for instance and you you'll probably be aware that plato had a theory of the world or of reality that divine organizing intelligence was at obviously the highest level what he called the world of being the pure world of potential and being and your birth chart is indeed pure potential it's wave that has not yet become particle until you start to live it out and then beneath the world being very close to it he saw the planetary archetypes because he's an astrologer obviously and then below that kind of collapsing into a world of becoming which is our world of decay and death and linear time etc and this is the world if we're living at the 3d level you know the rubble rubber hits the road this is the level we're living at but he believed and humbly i'd suggest i also believe that in going through a chart consultation you can raise people closer to that divine organizing intelligence to that original sacredness of being rather than just the rubber hitting the road and the the archetypes to me are almost like if you imagine life as a tapestry each of the archetypes which are so incredibly different from each other you know mars is god of war and saturn is the teacher and the disciplinarian and uranus is the maverick that smashes it all up you know they're very different but they become kind of eternal archetypes like like the warp in a tapestry and then we weave the the fabric of the you know the weft of life around those pillars and as i say when people come to me i can't see their weft but i can't see their warp and and the fact that it gives them an underlying meaning of pattern and sense even if it's tough i think is massively reassuring um it's an amazing analogy but i i'm also aware of the fact that it's quite um a select analogy could you just perhaps give a definition for the weft and the warp okay so so the warp each of the i'm sort of thinking of a almost a what you call them for a tapestry an old loom or whatever each of the planetary archetypes is represents a pillar or a strand in that loom so as i say there are many planetary archetypes one is mars that's your god of war that's your assertiveness your drive your goal setting your physicality then you have saturn which is your your discipline and how much you kind of obey the rules and play the conventional game and put hard work in when it's necessary then there's uranus which is the maverick and that's when you want to kind of you can see iranian because they're almost electric they've got this very high five energy because they're geniuses very often if their uranus is very strong because they're being bringing progressive ideas to the world but they want to smash up the old to bring in the new we have a lot of that in the in the coming years and then there's neptune which is to do with spirituality in altered states and on we go through all the archetypes and so they form that the pillars in the loom if you like the warp but they are all in different relationship to each other depending on that individual's birth chart so if you were to give just a classical definition of weft and warp just in a few words a weft is the weft is is is kind of the events and experiences in life in this analogy i'm using just a day today yeah that's fine just you know because it's elitist language so i'm just wondering if it helps you know uh um it's select language you know it's the it's the the language of an of an authority like yourself but you know does mr and mrs world understand it um so back to my analogy of mr world coming along to you um as you just sort of look and miss the world at the moment who is a little bit woe begone um and evidently through the wonder of what you've just shared with us you would create a matrix if i may use that word that will allow mr world to understand what his meaning is am i right in saying that through that deliberation what you're actually doing is really allowing the individual mr world in this case to understand the matrix of their soul yes yes absolutely and that is partly of course dependent on their their frequency you know as i say the chart gives you the pattern it doesn't give the frequency but the more conscious we are in our lives the higher our level of consciousness which of course is about how much light we can hold in our bodies then the more we will start to appreciate that this is very much our soul's expression and um it's very interesting stuart because i follow a particular ascended master zechariah who i followed for many years channeled by the very gifted giant lower and some months ago he said something very interesting he said that your soul chooses the moment to be born very precisely within a window of two minutes to either side and within five kilometers so if you're going to be born on the side almost away you will be born on the side of a motorway because that's your birth chart for this lifetime by yourself choice that's very helpful for people who have had a really grim childhood really tough many many of my clients have because that's when they tend to come to astrologers if if to make sense of it and i think it can be very helpful to say to those people look this is a kind of google god question really but if we assume this was your soul's choice and i can clearly see that childhood experience i can see your relationship with your mother your father what were the issues was it supportive and loving with your father sexually abusing you at what age you know you can see all of that then you can help them to see that that that that burden of childhood there may have been carrying all those decades wasn't just jolly bad luck it was actually planned fuel or fertilizer to make them go on a deeper journey to ultimately come full circle to shine more light on the world possibly to other people who'd had sexual abuse problems in their childhood you know whatever the profound empathy was so the grim childhoods have purpose even though they're horribly uncomfortable for many of us but they have purpose and many of the great thought leaders of our time spiritual leaders have had really really tough times in life because it takes you deeper and so that can be very helpful and of course what you're describing for mr world is really a branch of astrology that i'm very interested in called mundane astrology that doesn't mean it's boring because it's actually incredibly interesting it means mundus of the world and you can look at charts of countries etc but for instance 2020 was going to be a very very tough year because we had this on the 12th of january last of 2020 we had a conjunction between saturn and pluto and whenever you look back in history they happen at tough tough times you know 1935 1933 to 35 we had that that wasn't too jolly a time as we all know uh 911 that was another heart it was an opposition between saturn and pluto so if you look back historically they're often times when they're much greater constrictions in life rules and regulations contraction vice-like circumstances often hard times economically so the storages knew this was going to be a very tough year because that was going to be the like striking the tuning fork for the whole of 2020. we didn't know what the event was as i say again that's part of the the west you know the particular experience would be but we knew what what the qualities of energy would be that's a better way to put it maybe qualities of energy and so that has played out through 2020 and we're moving into 2021 which has very different energy really because one of the main purposes and this is looking at a very big canvas but one of the main purposes of last year was to to really accelerate the collapse of the old order and the old order are whole their top-down systems their systems of many kinds be they governmental legal educational um the five establishments isn't it you know we can just title it that and they are tend to be top down they tend to be vertical in their structure because they're patriarchal yes absolutely if they were the matrix they would be horizontalized indeed and that's where we're headed we're moving into from capricorn energy which is top down we're moving gradually into aquarium energy you know we're into some of that already and that's much more moving from centralization to decentralization grassroots up much more horizontal holding hands across the world you know we're all in this together as a global humanity that sort of a feeling of sharing collaboration and partly the whole virus situation has brought up massive compassion for other people so our values have changed we don't want stuff anymore we want to care for people you know so but this collapse of the old order is going to continue i believe until 2024 and this will happen where people in power or systems in power have lacked integrity and accountability and transparency if they're squeaky clean no problem if they're not that will become very apparent and this is 2021's one of the big big themes is disclosure things coming to light which may be very surprising may be very shocking and accelerate the collapse of the old order of of all kinds the five establishments fascinating and so you know suddenly i see mr mr world is rather like an extraordinary sieve with all of these cosmic energies being filtered through to allow mr world an understanding of deeper meaning because after all mr world is forlorn because of calamity and catastrophe understandable events that are have brought about a winnowing a weakening a quivering on a very very deep level and so back to what he was just sharing with us and thereby we become aware of the deep frequencies of karma and recognize that actually the soul has an intelligence which is far superior to the nature of what we recognize human intelligence to be and that feeling is the language of the soul so we can begin to find a way of being able to identify what the karma is atone the karma which is always humbling and unreferential because it allows us to feel that we are part of a transcendental intelligence within the cosmos which is amazing which is which is amazing and we're feeling it more and more strongly we're moving into that kind of age where we can become more conscious of it yeah this is i mean this is right at the heart of all the work that i do what we're describing and of course the wonder was that i just wanted to repeat the imagery that you were using well actually for you i think i i i i sense it to be a technology in your work but how the a chart a birth chart can give patterning but it can't reveal frequency and that's the thing absolutely fascinating so because it brings in the orga of free will absolutely and that's where our latitude is that's what our lives are about really you know if you imagine we're here as a in a school we are here to learn to become more conscious and more involved and to hold more light in the body and you may well be aware but what is really exciting about this even though you know the world seems to have been in a mess over the last year what is really exciting is that the cosmology of what we're experiencing is profound because roughly every 12 000 years give or take about 500 either side our solar system moves into an area of space which is called the photon belt and what has also been happening for our earth is for many many years we've had the buffer almost think of it as the cotton wool buffer of the magnetic cloud which has protected the earth from a lot of cosmic and galactic energy that has really fallen very dramatically so we are much more open to the cosmic and galactic energies and we're passing through this big big area of space called the photon belt and you can actually see it on a clear day like today which was beautiful the light is very white it's not soft golden as it used to be it's very white and that is photonic light so these um this gamma ray and neutrino energy which is new to us we've never had this in our lifetimes pouring into the earth upgrading every cell in our body upgrading our dna and either on activating or some would say reactivating the strands of our dna because we only thought we had two that were active and the rest would junk well that's going to take us to a very different place of what we'd probably call superhuman abilities now of telepathy and healing and just a sense of knowing you'd have to read a book you just as you just do it in your meditations you just kind of tune into the field and bang you get the information more and more of us with our raised frequency are going to be able to do that because with this these massive waves of light pouring in it is enabling all of us to hold more light in the body and therefore that is equivalent to the raising of consciousness um wonderful thank you and and also for that downloading of light for that infiltration of light the light triggers subatomic particles within the cells to awaken hence what you you know your reference towards um the fact that we have a 12 helix dna within our bodies but we're only living two and so we know that um as a result of that we will begin to remember past life experience and the opening of the superpowers to do with telepathy teleportation um precognition uh supernatural healings et cetera et cetera walking on water all of the things that we know that the great avatars or abba dudes have always been able to access that super consciousness it's interesting at the moment there's um a series you've probably seen it being advertised online and it's called super beings interviewing human beings who are considered to be super beings such as deepak and blah blah blah blah blah blah i thought it was really interesting because from one point of view imaginatively it's extremely innovative because it's giving us that sense of future promise that we can acquire this information if we i mean you know my strong belief is that the era of data collection is over which is a facile thing to say but what i mean is that we need a new way of being with information and that we have so much information and yet our behaviors are so atrocious and what we need to do is to really recalibrate what our behaviors are all about so on one level there's a lot of there are many paradigms putting for being put forward by the super beings and yet it's such an elitist thing to say you are a super be which means that i'm merely normal or i'm a sup being as opposed to well no we're actually all super beings it's just that what we're seeing is that there are as a result of karmic promise there are a number of individuals who arrived with awakened slip streams of energy that they can bring at this time to the fall to awaken what is necessary i mean they really are living the zeitgeist many of them but of course they've been through lifetimes and lifetimes and lifetimes of purification and atonement which allows them to be open to these frequencies so it's wonderful because it's again putting responsibility responsibility fully into our own hearts of no it is not done to you it's not happening to you it's this is a response to your own intelligence you know that it was almost as though consciousness were a screen it's not happening it's responding to you so what are your thoughts and feelings going to be how did how did all of this begin with you i mean astrology was something was i know you had a corporate career as well didn't you yes um yes i mean i got into astrology as you as you said right at the beginning at the age of 21 i emigrated to canada after university in the first week it must have been a massive week for personal growth i joined a yoga class at the end a couple of the girls in the class said that chap over there's an astrologer he was a wonderful big guy from jamaica and i went over and said look i know nothing about astrology i'd love you to do my chart and i saw him a week later and spent seven hours with him and it just blew my mind you know this whole dimension of meaning just cracked open and he went back in my life and told me about dates and all kinds of all kinds of qualities of experience that he couldn't possibly have known about and um it that really changed my life i was i was smitten from that point on and what was quite amusing was over the next few years because in those days we're talking a long time ago to it he did the recording on a tape and i lost the tape and after five years of severe winters in toronto i decided to return to england i was packing up boxes and and um about to get on a plane later that day and i found the tape so i was playing the tape as i was packing boxes and on the tape it said the 4th of september 1979 will be a major turning point in your life and that day and he said by the end of october you'll be one of the majorities of your life and at the end of october i was sitting at 19 000 feet in the himalayas so i thought there's something in this funny old subject called astrology so from that point on i was just voracious to learn so although i had a corporate career for 35 years it was kind of every weekend evening studying i studied with the faculty for astrological studies for eight years part-time because i was working crazy crazy hours in london in the corporate world in advertising at that point um then i did a master's course but but to be honest i learn every day it's so fast you never say okay i've cracked it you know never and therefore it's very humbling i think and you know the whole new waves of information coming in about it that are so exciting so i'm i'm always the student and an in beginner's mind if you like this curious um coincidence going on here because september the 4th 1979 was one of the greatest turning points in my life when i was living in new york september the fourth fifth and sixth i was living in new york city working as an actor i got a movie and i was moving to los angeles and i was packing up the apartment there you were packing boxes i was packing boxes and the telephone rang and the whole of the atmosphere went into a slow motion extraordinary metaphysical experiences i answered the telephone because of course as we know this was before cell phones and the landline that was my brother saying what are you doing and i said well you know what i'm doing i'm packing up boxes to move to los angeles are you sitting down i need to tell you that mum's got terminal cancer and she has three months to live what are you gonna do about it so in that moment i decided i have to let the movie go and i have to come back to europe and be with her our father had died uh three years prior but we both both my brother and i had a a an immense soul connection with my mother so it was a sort of natural right of passage to honor that as it happens she lasted for a whole year and then passed in the latter part of 1980 but that's when my career changed you see then i became a voice coach and you know instead of being an actor i thought it was going to become the greatest act of the 20th century anyway so i just wanted to give you know sort of grounded you know one of those anecdotal stories that um indicates the immense velocity of what you're talking of the gravitas of what you're talking about that it's absolutely quintessential that it it really does impinge you know the wisdoms that you have the insights that you have about the technology of astrology impinge on our lives in an immensely consequential way um i know one of the fight the one of the fascinating things that you um are engaged in are not just simply what's happening terrestrially i mean by that of course that you're working extraterrestrially in looking at all of the constellations and how they impinge on our lives on planet earth uh in a terrestrial way but you also go beyond that into the photonic belts and beyond and you were mentioning earlier the kuiper kuiper belt yes built in space really beyond the orbits of neptune and pluto and and just one step back because i think quite helpful i think we're moving into an age with this understanding of cosmology and physics and the high frequency light we are blending science and spirituality now we've got as much clearer scientific underpinning for what i do day to day it's no longer we've got some you know very solid science with the cosmology and the light and how that's affecting us all of us as human beings how much light we can hold but yes the kuiper belt is of great interest to me because over the last 20 years or so which is no time it's a drop in the bucket in terms of time there have been um several they're either called kuiper belt objects and haven't been given a delineation um of any kind or they're called dwarf planets and they are really magical because they have a very different quality to the other planets which we're very familiar with my bread and butter because all of them are quantum in their understanding they don't talk about like saturn isn't to do with linear chronology linear time and pushing and effort and writing business plans and taking years to make things happen they're about a jump in energy and state of being to manifest a very different reality for yourself so they're quantum they're discontinuous in their energy and they live really in a realm of no time time does not it's the the eternal now it's dropping into the moment so we're going to gradually lose this sense of of clock time i don't know what that'll do to birth charts no i calculate those but anyway we'll think about that another day but into i mean there will always be the reference of the movement of the spheres you know so what we will do is re-cognate time as the i mean that's really what you're saying but the concept of time today which is a ruling principle of our lives this was not the case 450 50 years ago pam yes we did not live our lives by this or the clock we lived our lives by the movement of the sundial we lived our lives by the move the movement of the skies um and of course everybody was aware of it you know this was before the noise by the way except of course because they had no other entertainment which is which is you know which is a huge preoccupation of mine because today we live against machines and when we go back 450 years ago there weren't any machines and of course they were living open to the skies whether you look at ancient egyptian culture ancient greek the mayan cultures you know those pyramids were really celebrating the constellations as a universal language yeah we're going to become more galactic citizens so these archetypes for these 12 planets and what i'll abbreviate to kbos are quantum they are most of them are linked to creational energy creator gods ancient indigenous tribes their concept of creator gods so many of them are very regenerative for instance one is called called homeo h-a-u-m-e-a and she's linked to the hawaiian goddess of fertility who could just birth babies from all over her body and regenerate herself from an old woman to a young a young maiden she could just regenerate nature where it was laid waste by poor agricultural practices and produce food and seafood and so she has this magical shamanic quality and all of them have a very deep a deep instinctive understanding of connection to nature as well so their magical their quantum their creator energy their regenerative energy and they are incredibly exciting in terms of i think they represent an evolution of consciousness unquestioned through the way that you describe a new dimension although you were talking about quanta that is uh and you're dealing with these wonderful con uh wonderful images of for example how they connect with what we see represented within shamanism within the honoring of the earth and all of its sentience actually what we're really talking about it seems is that there's a creation of a new vibrational field which will expand our consciousness into a much greater sense of connectivity and the inclusivity of oneness so the interrelationship you know that expression that we used to do about connecting the dots so the dots were actually individual positions living somewhere within the consciousness of the universe but actually all the dots are interconnected yeah absolutely and that's what's so exciting and i mean one of them one of my favorites is called quarwa q-u-a-o-a-r and um that uh kbo is linked to the indigenous tribes that lived around the la basin los angeles basin but the archetype is that through song and dance we can sing and dance our reality into being from a high level a high level of vibration would produce a beautiful manifestation so they believed song and dance was was the core of magnificent reality magnificent manifesting and yes that they who who is they um the indigenous tribes this was their this was their philosophy um the peoples who lived around the la basin many many thousands of years ago it's in the interconnection with the south west area with the with the anasazi peoples who i have a direct lineage with and so spent three years working with a shaman in in the southwest in new mexico um and so the the hopi the navajo the tsumi the tewa there were all these these extraordinary tribes who were were mesa indians but they were settled they lived in pueblo they didn't they weren't migratory and so these are the beings and they believe that when the spider woman sang and when she danced she gave she brought into creation everything that we see whether it be the mesa or the mountain you me the antelope or the eagle yeah yeah beautiful abs and that's exactly what that archetype is about so this is so related to quantum physics because it takes us back to the principle that everything is frequency as an underlying principle of the universe so what we have to master going forward in these coming coming years i believe or what we're going to give given the opportunity for in a very big way is really understanding the principle of frequency understanding intentions focus thought keeping your frequency high and then bingo we don't have to push and stress and effort and write the business plan it just magically happens you know bingo can you investigate that slightly further what does that mean exactly we don't have to write the business plan well in that i think we've grown up in a world of efforting that's the 3d reality it's effort and work and you've got to work hard get a house you've got to work hard to get a car etc all of that will become much more instant if we can just shift our frequency in present time and all of a sudden opportunities drop interest and i'm sure you've been through many many times in your lifestyle where this has happened you know you're at a high level of frequency you're focused on one particular um goal in life and all of a sudden you read things or a friend mentions something or a phone call comes in or you re and bingo it's manifested magically fast in a way that you couldn't possibly invent because the universe is much smarter than we are but it's all down to the manifestation always matches our frequency so you're always looking for a frequency match and if you're miserable and angry you'll have miserable and angry experiences in your life if you're joyful and loving you will have those experiences in your life the universe is just a mirror it's just you know our react in the higher realms of esoteric philosophy and quantum physics as i'm sure you know to you that they believe that reality is just a hologram it's just a projection of consciousness it's not even it's just moving i meant by suggesting this is a screen for our consciousness it's not happening to us it's responding to us i mean i used very simplistically but i'm talking about the celestial matrix and how it is and of course as we know our ancient ancestors um intelligently believe that it was woven together like a tapestry by the face and we were part of that um so bearing it's just that you've mentioned something absolutely crucial about the the way that we strive to do do do do do and evidently our world is in crisis with this over fixation this hyper realized or hyper focused which in many ways is what we discovered last year immediately we were moved into what everybody called the lockdown and i called the global pause i have you know in inactive um living one's life meaning not in retreat or moving into sacred pilgrimage i experienced a quality of stillness and peace where divine intelligence spoke in the most extraordinary way that's the illumination that i'm talking about now the point is that the striding ceases and the thriving begins so it seems that there's a point of quanta from an astrological perspective where we move from i need to control this by planning and what i need to do is to tune into what the planets are teaching me at this point and as a result of that we move into the quantum field and thereby we suddenly realize that it's done it for us rather than we needing to do it i think that's the point that you're making isn't it yeah you said it much better than i did stu that is beautiful yes that's exactly the point i was making because if we can live the planetary archetypes at the highest level of expression and i will explain to the client what that means or in my videos i'll explain and generally what it means then we are getting to a higher frequency point to bring in that you know that wonderful information and become effortless last year i think was beautiful expression the global pause because it was it really was a pattern interrupt for the often automatic processes that we're on we get up clean our teeth have a sharp have breakfast go to work come back watch television go to bed repeat the next day repeat the next week repeat the next month and what we're in at the moment is a global awakening a great awakening and that's very clear and the the the contractions that we're going through the restrictions on our freedom are part of creating that kind of breaking down to break through to a higher level of being because this coming year 2021 is going to be quite a quite a kind of well i don't use the word battle but on one side we have saturn which is control and rules and regulations and the other side is stuff that i want to be free human rights civil rights being very prominent in various points in history where people have broken through does they know no more you know we all need our individual freedom every single living being not just the people at the top all of us and that sense of collaboration for humanity is very very strong and i just want to pick up because something else um you said about the planets and teachers and they absolutely are for us and i think what's often revelatory for clients in sessions is to realize that their birth chart isn't just an internal map of their psyche but it's also a photo a photograph of the of the universe as it were at the moment of their birth so it's it the inner equals the outer absolutely otherwise i couldn't anticipate the issues in their life happening if i couldn't see it in their birth chart which is their inner and actually that's why carl gustaf young as you may know was a prolific astrologer because it gave him beforehand to diagnose the the problem with their patients his patients could see this the psyche and the issues and see you know the phobias all the depression all the stresses that was producing in in their outer reality it is magnificent this this equality of the macrocosm and the microcosm the outer and the inner are they're the same yeah absolutely absolutely um well i mean suddenly my where's you know okay this so there's a meeting point which is absolutely huge um which is evidently you know wrap the to use the image rabbit hole the rabbit hole ideas become debates because we know that it takes us into a new level of consciousness but is a bewildering level of consciousness so it's been debased but actually it's beginning a new portal isn't it yes yes which is obviously the field of quantum that you're talking about um you you mentioned very deftly on a number of occasions through a series of beats in our conversation the archetypes and idle i'd love i mean you know because i i i was helped very copiously in the early part of my life by going into jungian analysis um and sorting myself out and indeed i went through a huge crisis 12 years ago which of course was seen out through the shifts in my astrology where the whole of my life changed again um i call it a cycle you know planetary cycle marker everything shifts 180 degrees um and of course so i'm i'm very um very equipped with archetypal knowledge and indeed the 12 angels of atlantis are representations of the 12 archetypes my belief being that jung was um an atlantean priest wizard in a former life obviously that had all of this information and then through all the subsequent lifetimes refined it refined it refined it so that when carl jung as we know came along he was able to equip us with this understanding of what the archetype's all about could you just give us a quick sketch because i know that um it's copious and it's it's multi-dimensional but could you just give us a quick elemental sketch of the the named planets that we're familiar with and what their archetypal values could be so that we could just imaginatively see oh that's what you're talking about yeah it's interesting just on carl gustaf young his his theory of synchronicity in his theory of archetypes was absolutely astrological yeah straight from it's just so interesting so if we just take our kind of regular bread and butter planners as it were your son is how you express your energy to your level so if it's in a fire sign you will gr you generally have fiery energy enthusiastic love of life bubbling on to a next adventure strong physicality very broadly that it's your energy it's your sense of essential self the moon represents many things it's your instinctive reaction to life it represents your experience with your mother uh your own experience of mother ring it's your very much to do with your daily um daily rhythm i want to say so it's very important in a relationship that you have compatible moons because you may love each other to death but if your moons are incompatible it's hard to live with each other because you want to go you know he wants to burn incense you know it's not going to hang together so so the moon is your instinctive self and what you need to feel deeply satisfied on a daily basis what you require in your life defined by the sign it's in the house position that's in mercury is the mind it's our mindset it's how we communicate how activated it is how much stimulation it needs in life venus is is love it's also our capacity our capacity for love to feel self-love it's our need for pleasure it's our need for delicious food and home comfort you know beautiful fabrics and it's quite tactile actually venus mars so it's the it's the female love principle mars is the is the male obviously the male principle god of war aggression assertion drive strong physicality athleticism leadership um goal setting etc it's a very simple direct energy i want to go run a marathon bomb don't check in with anybody i go run a marathon bro it's very solo then we get to jupiter which is the planet of expansion the planet of higher learning planet of philosophy bigger visions in life um bigger horizons it's it's it's a wonderful planet then we get to saturn which is very different if jupiter is the planet of expansion and see where that sits in your chart um saturn is where you've got to put the work in it's the plan of contraction discipline head down obey the boss obey the rules um and if you work hard you'll eventually get the promotion or the salary increase or whatever so it's very much a disciplinarian then we get to uranus which is you know the antidote if you like that's the maverick the foreigner smash it all up i've got better ideas than that no i won't obey the rules i'm a delinquent i'm a rebel don't know what to do with people like that but they're geniuses you know they're absolutely brilliant electrical minds hyperactive minds and they are about connecting uranus is the higher octave of mercury so it's connecting to super conscious if you like downloads of information which i'm sure as um your experience stuart so then we get to um neptune which um was discovered in 1846 this was a correlation between when a planet was discovered and what happens in the world so this is linked to um fine perception creatively and spiritually it's linked to altered states it's linked to unconditional love it's linked to healing um it's interesting when it was discovered that that's when the first um spiritualist movement was set up in america it's linked to photography because again this fine perception is quality of light so that is quite ethereal actually and beautiful and pluto is far out from the plate earth pluto's further out absolutely and that was discovered in 1931 i think plutonium splitting of the atom um and depth psychology so this is to do with spiritual transformation it's about death and rebirth and that can be a literal death or it can be a metaphorical death of an episode but it's almost like if you imagine a tree falling in a wood it's got to rot down before new life can spring up from that that rotted earth as it were and where it is at the moment in capricorn is that is the deconstruction of of those those five establishments as you say it's the rotting down of anything that is not pure and in integrity in order that new life can spring up and that's the process we're going through so it isn't just you know we're going through a heck of a grim time we're going through an amazing amazing time this is green shoots appearing through the broken concrete of the old and they will be more and more obvious as we get sort of further um further into the year so those are my bread and butter planets that's beautiful thank you so just you've shifted the degree and the vibration of what what you were sharing with us um because you know having said all of this it's sudden you get to the point of well actually we see that our world is crumbling what's wonderful about pam is that she has this immense light that moves through her where we feel now wait a minute wait a minute but pam's being so optimistic so i it feels to me if i may say that you as a soothsayer you as a sage that you have secrets because you're seeing how the planets are moving and how if we can just associate with that dance going back to what you were saying about you know the native american peoples the indigenous peoples dancing and singing another level of consciousness into existence that you're dancing in singing another level of consciousness where does your optimism come from gosh i think it comes from my astrology that gives me an amazing practical framework but spiritual framework for life i'm very excited about these new planets that are being discovered and what i didn't mention that isn't that far out it's some just orbits between saturn and uranus is called chiroclone and i'd love to walk could you say that again so c h a r i k l o chariqlow i mean i'd love to talk about it because in the in myth she was the wife of chiron she helped to heal chiron because she can just she's she's linked to the buddhist ground of being that immense permanent sense of stillness the ever-present now and she is very present in transition consciousness from life to death but also in transitions of the evolution of consciousness and in three days time she has a 62-year orbit and in three days time she's moving out of the end of capricorn the old world into aquarius the new world the future so she's she's cradling our evolution of consciousness we love that what do you think is going to happen well i think um that's going to be the day of the full moon leo which is which is on wednesday uh yes it's three days time isn't it thursday thursday thursday thursday was i was hoping to do uh a very special event on on that that evening because you know everything that i've been sensing is that it's monumental in relation to the development of the work that i'm doing but i won't be i'll be doing it on saturday instead so that everybody can come along it's called enchantment we're going to actually chant magic into our lives so it will be an evening of a crucible of love and joy moving into communion so how wonderful thank you now i can see so much of this i see and then you know as i move through life because i apparently am a material human being i begin to see the mata i begin to see the mata she starts teaching me so thank you for that the the origin of her name is greek i believe so yes i believe it's doesn't it it absolutely does and what is bizarre in this you know universe of synchronicity is when these in her case a centaur she's an asteroid um or the dwarf planets are discovered the astronomers who discover them carefully choose their name and so often that will link to a particular myth which we discover doing thousands and thousands thousands of charts it is the actual archetype of that planet which is remarkable um so you know there's a wonderful sort of synchronicity going on there but just to kind of second answer to the question you asked a moment ago yes the leo full moon is going to be very powerful it could be lots of disclosure around that time as well so that's going to be exciting and big heart energy obviously leo heart this is when the beginning of mr trump's impeachment begins the court hearing is that right on the 28th oh yeah i mean some very remarkable things happened last week with the inauguration meaning that mr biden used language and language formation but no other president has used so a linguist who's a client of mine has actually tabulated all of the new words that biden used in his inaugural speech which was 21 minutes in duration isn't that fascinating the sequence of 21 and how it disturbs in a very positive way what's happening within our molecular energy so he was actually dropping into our consciousness elixirs but were to do with a bridge between thought and feeling because after all the american nation has been stirred in a very cantankerous way over the last four years and many people are suffered and insecure and so he was bringing in a new linguistic it's you know it's just an observation of what's taking place on a broad um leadership level that is also configured within what you're describing and i think there's a there's still a lot more to come from america actually because if i look at their chart they're having a what's known as the pluto return so pluto is coming back to its natal place of 1776 uh exactly next year but this there will be a lot more to come a lot of volatility a lot of turbulence more to come first few months of the year i think well rest of january and february pretty turbulent late march gets easier and i think potentially sort of late may to late july look better as jupiter moves into into pisces too but there's a lot to come in the world because we have to witness the collapse of the old to fully you know you can't when you're planning to build a new house you have to demolish the old house to give you space on that site to build a new one and we're going to be living in a demolition site for a year in fact correction we're going to be living in a demolition site for a while because that demolition may continue until 2024 because jupiter pluto fully move out of capricorn until 2024 so we're gonna but it's a process but we've entered the new because there's a shift of momentum from the old world to the new world jupiter saturn and any minute now chariqlow moving into aquarius and actually in early february you've got this massive lineup of planets in aquarius that we haven't had since february 1962. so we will be getting a very big glimpse of what aquarian energy is about a very short time a couple of weeks time amazing this is so exciting and of course i can say you know yes because i lived through the 60s as you did you know and we we saw the social revolution that took place i think it was 62 no 63 there's a photograph i've got somewhere of me carrying a ban the bomb banner which was on the front page i mean i'm in a riot in front of the u.s embassy in grosvenor square which he no longer is here in london um and you know here down to here um and of course it was a great shock for my father when he saw that his son was turning into a revolutionary which i wasn't i was just protesting so in other words we know that the the sixties was a time of immense social upheaval what we're seeing today is a similar venture except highly highly intensified yeah absolute totally and those themes of revolution demand for equality demand for greater freedom demand for greater respect for all whether it's you know women's rights gay rights civil rights whatever it is the 60s were a boiling pot for that and they were really the seeding point for what we're coming into now we're vortexing upwards into the next layer of that if you like but this year the big themes of freedom truth disclosure rebellion revolution and awakening those are the really big themes for 2021 so it's incredibly exciting the other thing students is a very simple soul myself i get huge solace and nurturing in nature i'm in nature every day i have to be in nature and my life i keep it incredibly simple actually even though the mind is going pretty buzzy a lot of the time but but generally being in nature that's what holds me because nature you can see divine intelligence at work in every moment when you say it holds you i mean i feel that all the sentient people that are tuning in to whether it's in this moment listening and watching us or in the recording because this will be in in the library of um recordings for the deep dialogues this this is actually recording 26 i believe or maybe 27 um which if anybody's don't go there now but it's on diana the voice of change.com as well as the angels of atlantis.com um that uh automatically it become your you know your contribution to this series becomes um a key that opens up the consciousness of what i was hoping that from a vibrational point of view this extraordinary um conversation that we're having would be a tool or an instrument that would actually open up a deeper understanding so when you move into nature what is it that what is it that holds you i think it is just it's the way god intended it in that we human beings as you said earlier stuart we you know we we live in cities we think we're smart and sophisticated and clever in our modern lives but we're insulated from observing that divine intelligence at work really and it's plugging into nature you know particularly in a month or two when the spring growth comes up it's electric i can feel it it's new life coming and because there's so much ancient woodland around here i can just kind of tune it i hug trees i feel their heart beats they've got different heartbeats for different trees the nurturing that happens which is so profound that that gives me an incredible grounding i think in japan they call it forest bathing and they don't respond it has huge benefits mental health etc which i know there's a kind of decompression from the the mind into the body into the sentience of feeling and grounding and textures in nature you know back on listening to birds and watching that bright blue sky this morning you know and when i become a child i i take out my elderly neighbor's young dog and throw balls for him a thousand times i'm a child i have no phone i'm a free as i was when i was a child and i love that i love and that cultivates in me whatever is happening in the outside world i'll never listen to mainstream news ever i'm free i'm a full being and a grounded in a nurture dinner reinforce being there's a there's a sense of foundationalism when i'm in nature and that's my bubble particularly at the moment that's i don't want to hear the bad stuff because it's all that's all just a different timeline a different reality i'm not going to feed it and strengthen it with my attention my energy i'm on the road i'm taking the high fork and you do you know bearing in mind the richness of what you've just described which is beautiful and it's sort of what's on the tip of my heart so to speak on the tip of my tongue in my heart from my heart is god i want to come down and visit you in the spring and if you're allowed i know i know well by that time i feel that so much of the astrological shifts will have swept out the nature of what covid is all about um i know that over the next over the next six weeks seven weeks we're going to see extraordinary shifts within the consciousness of covet i really agree and particularly around the uh spring equinox you know 21st 22nd of march there's another big wave of energy coming in like we had december 21st last year and that's gonna you know awaken more people and take us to a higher place i'm going to be doing an online retreat um because obviously i can't be in egypt um but i'm going to be doing an online egyptian retreat which will all be about honoring the priestess which in fact i have been studying for many many many many years and all my you know going to egypt twice a year for the last well certainly the last 20 years but running retreats there for the last 12. um i started at the beginning of last year and of course we had to leave three or four days early because of lockdown pam do you feel that astrologically you were predestined to be in the new forest um yes for now for now i l i love the trees i love nature so for now i don't think i'll live here all the time i think i'm going to end up in europe that's what i'm working on with my vision at the moment but yes for now and and i think astrology is something that i've done in in many many lifetimes so the dart goes on is is how i feel uh you know i've even had some real evidence of who i was and what i did as an astrologer which has been wonderfully validating so yeah yes and it's interesting isn't it that the um well anyway moving into personal personal issues but there's a there's an immensely powerful druidic energy around you when you move into this power of the way that you speak of um you are understanding your accomplishment which is obviously very refined and expansive but at the same times i intimated at the beginning in my introduction it's so wonderfully down to earth you know it's it's the go-to astrologer so i can see that you know you're a lady that has reached a point of really understanding her mettier you are singing the song of your soul oh thank you thank you i don't know i i i was just lucky i was just lucky that i stumbled into it but i think i was you and i know there's no such thing as luck so it can be a it can be a useful term to use when we disclaim responsibility now you're so you're so led you right you're so legendary and i'm grateful every single day you know i love what i do i love to help people i love to help them shine their light more brightly in the world and yeah that's that's what i meant to do i mean what else would i do so that's uh this has been such an extraordinary conversation from the bottom of my heart i really want to thank you for wow i'm sure everybody would agree unfortunately we don't have a chat box on this particular new streaming device um but um i will be going to my facebook page and reading all of all of the statements and i've asked people to put up questions so i may come back not i'm not going to um with countless questions but there you know what i'll do is i'll annotate or edit and find if there's anything there that i can't deal with personally i'll come to you and and ask but please may i publicly now invite you back because this has been so extraordinary i mean you know what you're giving us is a wonderful um understanding of the landscape of what we're moving through this time and you do it with such grace and such humor and such optimism that i you know i just think we need that because wow what a year what a year very very yeah and i really appreciate how hard it is so i'm not you know skipping away and thinking you know i really appreciate the gravity of it but it goes well for you there you are in your trees you know but but i i i really hope that what i can offer with astrological understanding can help people who are struggling that's my hope oh yeah oh absolutely absolutely well what you do is you give us hope you see you give us hope and of course within suffering you know we the suffering becomes almost terminal in that moment because it feels so acute we lose meaning and what you're doing is you're beginning to shine that light and say hey come over here and join me because i can give you meaning i can show you meaning i i mean i feel we're both very similar you know because i've developed a very new linguistic over the last 18 months two years about the miracle-mindedness of the universe all as a result of what the you know what the angels have given me uh which they started giving me you know when i they gave me when i met them which is in 87 but through an acute um patterning of awareness when i was introduced to ultra-terrestrial beings who worked with me for about three weeks and this would have been in 19 it's just before the millennium so it was 1999. um and i moved from the the sanctuary of chelsea where i've lived for years and years and years to primrose hill so that i could have a promontory of the i could be on a promontory of a view of the city and that's of course when i was working also at shakespeare's globe theater which was an extraordinary project and that's when they came through to me and gave me a lot of prophecy about this time and it's all weaving its way through in the way that you're disquiet describing this is a pattern but now let's look at the frequency so thank you thank you thank you thank you um it's been a boy really a joy so thank you so much for the opportunity thank you bless you bless you it's just been and i'm sure everybody's i can hear applause from the angels and also the people watching in so ladies and gentlemen those of you who are watching in is there anything specific i notice you said that there weren't any projects but you do have your is it weekly or monthly astrological reads on youtube twice a month i put them up twice a month occasionally i've got the next it's usually twice a month i've got my two books i've got lots of teaching videos i am stepping back from client work i'm afraid just to create you know to stop the seven day a week uh endless work and to create more space so i can do more research into these new planets which is what i really want to do so this successful lady everybody you see yes by reading the stars you can also be materially conscious of the way that one needs to be on this planet um so and of course to go to your website it's the [Music] dot nextstep.uk.com isn't it pam gregory.com is the shortcut ah okay pamgregory.com fantastic and so and everybody be aware of all of the posts that i'm putting on facebook because um we are doing this remarkable enchantment on saturday evening and the places are going very very fast so you know go go now if you can and book on um and of course if you don't get newsletters from me please send your email address or put it on my facebook page send it by email it's very simple stewart at stuartpierce.com and click become a subscriber on all the videos on youtube and thank you for tuning in pam you've been wonderful oh it's been such fun thank you so much god bless bless you thank you so

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