David Icke discusses theories and politics with Eamonn Holmes

you know i follow what is happening into in america a lot and um i've seen this gathering number of democrat candidates and i've rarely seen a brain cell between them really and and the one who does speak some sense tulsi gabbard from hawaii is being castigated by her fellow democrats because she's against the wars of uh conquest etc and chaos in places like the middle east and what we've seen it's an extraordinary transformation we've seen the old traditional left both in this country and in america the left that was going on protest marches when i was a kid in the 60s demanding freedom of speech from places places like berkeley um that were against um uh war of acquisition vietnam and all those things we've seen that traditional left usurped by something called progressive and when i see the progressive um mentality which is now beginning to dominate the democrat party in america i don't see the traditional left um that i remember i see something closer to a fascistic uh demand that if you don't share the opinions that it has then you must be silenced and and this is this is happening um all around the world and because i'm on the kind of coal face of this in what i do uh people don't realize how far this censorship and uh shutting down of people's freedom of opinion has gone do you think it's a bipartisan issue david do you think it's on both sides of the house oh yes um i've been saying and writing for years and years and years we live in one party states if you look at the the period of the boy bush administration uh they were following a uh policy which came out in september 2000 of picking off countries in the middle east for what they call regime change and so uh in the uh years of uh of bush and blair in this country they invaded iraq on a lie about weapons of mass destruction then we had this transformation whereby blair was replaced by david cameron his quote opponent or via via george uh via gordon brown and in america obama came in this new change replaced bush and yet the same list of countries that was published in september 2000 continued so they went into libya where they created an absolute catastrophe they were supporting the uh the so-called civil war in syria which um has uh has created catastrophe in that country and another on the list back in september 2000 was iran and now mr make america great again i'm a i'm a a maverick comes in and he's uh got rid of the iran deal which has kicked all that off and uh he's um uh seeking this this coup which is what it is in america and coup in venezuela is he as much as a maverick as he would like us to believe not in the least eamonn this is the this is the con you see if you're running basically a one-party state um where as they say in america those who've kind of sussed it it doesn't matter who you vote for the government still gets in and it's the permanent government that's always there not the politicians that come come and go then you have to sell um in terms of um the public the idea that they have choice because if you don't then and lots of people are starting to realize this they'll realize actually they don't have choice so you you bring in um someone like obama first black president so that's creates an interest but the same things went on under him as went on under bush then you bring someone else you know this is the maverick you know the uh the uh the television host and the billionaire and that's interesting and all that stuff and what's happening is we are looking at basically a movie a smoke screen is another way of describing it whereby and especially under trump this has been massively done you focus attention on the personality who is a here today gone tomorrow level of uh what we call politics and because the focus is on them and people think that's where the power is all the powers with theresa may the powers with donald trump um people then are so focused on that they don't see that actually what's really running events is the permanent government okay well where do you what do you make of something trump would make a lot of fake news do you credit him with exposing that well again that is um a question that has two two edges to its sword um you see the to to understand the world and events that appear to be random we have to understand where the world is being taken i have this phrase know the outcome and you'll see the journey once you know what the outcome is planned to be then suddenly you see the random events are not actually random they're stepping stones to that outcome and one of the outcomes which is becoming painfully obvious but i've been writing about it for nearly 30 years is to create a situation whereby no one ever sees anything in the public arena in terms of information that the the system the establishment whatever you want to call it um doesn't want them to see this is why free speech is being targeted because while people have freedom of speech then you can't have a situation where the authorities are controlling everything you see in here because free speech has the ability to speak freely and challenge that narrative so the idea is to target freedom of speech and push in the walls of um freedom of expression and freedom of opinion to the point where people only see and hear what the the system wants them to see so on one side with fake news he's correct in terms of organizations like cnn which you know when i first went to america a long time ago um eamonn um i turned on fox news and watched it for the first time i thought it was a joke i thought it was a parody it was so unbelievably biased it was but it's very good entertainment but it was so biased now i go to america and i put cnn and on for the same reason it's so extraordinarily biased from the other side as his msnbc so he's right in terms of fake news i wrote in my my last book which came out about i don't know two years ago where just as trump was was coming in that this whole idea that there was collusion with the russian government was um was going to be found to be a nonsense there there is much collusion with trump certainly not a fan but this thing with the russian uh collusion was absolutely nonsense it was it was made up and i talk about reasons why it was um and two years later or even more now with his mother report that's come out but what has happened in the in the years between the msnbc cnn has been running it day after day after day so that part of fake news is right but this is this is the other sword or the other side of the sword with fake news and that is justifying censorship on the internet through facebook and google and all these sources information that's challenging the official narrative on the basis that it's fake news so many things that i've written over the years would have been dismissed as fake news except they've turned out to be true they've actually happened and so it's being used this is this is the the way that uh freedom of speech is is being destroyed um you start with one excuse say you might say oh we must stop uh terrorism incitement on the internet okay so you do that and then you you've set you've set the precedent for censorship you then talk about fake news so we must stop fake news so around the governments of the world now not least in this country they're saying how do we stop fake news what that's really saying is how do we stop um alternative explanations to the official narrative so we can reach this position where people only see what we want them to see the next thing is hate speech so who defines hate speech well the authorities do and this this is this is one of the key things you create something that you don't um define and then when people say anything that you don't want people to hear you silence them by saying that comes under quote hate speech we're not gonna silence you because one of the ways i suppose to control fake news is to tell your own story david ike has brought out a film it's called renegade it is his life story david we will pause for a moment we go to the ad break and we will be back talking about that and what you've done right after this so you call yourself the renegade you've been called worse haven't you well i've been caught a lot worse and continued to be so but by all the right people um yeah what do you mean by all the right people well if you um if you're challenging uh an established uh version of events then you know you know you're gonna get uh abuse you know you're gonna get ridicule you're only got those things it comes it comes with a territory and if um people with open minds who'd actually looked at what you're saying read your books if they were being very antagonistic towards me then they're the wrong people because you think well okay what's what's all this about but what is it all about david um for instance who will go and see this film uh i think the really interesting thing about this is the last time you were in you were talking about filming this and as i understand it correctly if i'm wrong you were looking for funding on this and obviously people came forward with the funding which which uh made you make it so if to anyone who's saying who would listen to that headbanger david ike who is listening to him well it's the entire spectrum of of human society we had the first premier last night in manchester and it was it was from very young to very old it was um every um background you could um think of and what connects them is an open mind i was uh speaking in sheffield a long time ago now and um i looked through the curtain and looking at the audience and there was somebody who worked at the theater standing next to me and the spectrum of people was incredible it was like 15 16 down to 80. it was every color and creed and this guy said to me what on earth connects all these people and i said an open mind and that's really that that is my point you can't dismiss uh everything that you say and that people aren't interested because there is that network there is that following uh you are known around the world people want to hear what you say and and if people think you don't always get it right um it's because i suppose it's not what i think or tanya thinks or they think it doesn't apply to well that's not how we perceive the world you said something there in the trailer about um a chair which which was um what did you say was it really there had it really got masked quantum physics has shown it's not there in the form that we experience it which is um we experience it well it's this is a long all right okay okay okay but and and this movie renegade um explains it and of course we've got uh graphics and stuff like that so yes explained very simply all right i guess it's not what we think it is what i love about you what i love about you is that you get the brilliant sales moving because no matter what the subject i can pick any subject i can pick any subject out and you will have a theory and you'll make me think and you will provoke me into thinking is he right or or is he wrong or is can i see sense in that and there's so many things and i want to first of all talk to you about in the news today we've got all this idea that uh this uh chinese um communications company huawei um are investing in the uk 5g network america doesn't want them canada doesn't want them new zealand doesn't want them australia doesn't want them whatever yet we have taken them on board amid criticism that it may be just a hotline to the chinese regime what's your view well in many ways it's smoke screen from the real point and the real point is 5g and what it does to the human body and what it does to the human mind see going back to the other question everything in this reality including the human body is actually a an energetic field of information and if you uh think of a computer that's decoding wi-fi if the computer is malfunctioning if it's skewed in some way then what appears on the screen is skewed um and we are um interacting with uh these energetic fields we are these energetic fields which quantum physics now is well shown uh exists and the brain works electrically it processes information electrically it communicates with the cells in the cellular structure electrically and it works on particular frequencies and therefore any external technological frequency that disturbs the frequency balance of the body and the frequency balance of the brain is going to have depending on how extreme it does it it's going to have uh anything from mild to catastrophic effects on human health and on the human psychology and this is why you've got independent scientists not the ones that are representing the telecommunications industry but independent scientists who've actually written to people like the world health organization and the un saying we've got to stop rolling this out until we know the effect this is going on so you're more concerned about that effect than the idea that the the chinese regime would be listening in or be able to paralyze our whole communications network within this country this is the whole point is that um the um communications industry and the the surveillance industry whether it's it's it's chinese technology or whether it's american technology or whatever technology it is they're all doing it this is a global um movement of uh controlling uh what we what we what we think what we what we see and keeping us under constant surveillance i mean the level of surveillance now is unbelievable just just you know we we talked last time i was on when uh people are having a conversation at home about television next thing they know that product is on is on their phone their phone on their facebook feed the level of surveillance already is fantastic and it's coming out of silicon valley and it's coming out of of china and wherever it's coming from so to focus on one area china is is actually a diversion it's what's happening globally of which china will be part but silicon valley is massively a part we were talking about a communications network you've heard of 3g 4g we're not on to 5g david ike the alternative thinker on all of these things uh was giving his view on that and just to expand on that david well a few um a few weeks ago there were hearings on capitol hill in which uh representatives of the telecommunications industry were questioned and there was a senator senator blumenthal who asked them openly how much money have you spent funding independent research into the effects of the on the body on health on psychology of 5g and they sat there and had to admit not a single cent and this 5g is being rolled out so fast and it's it's not the same it's people think and i understand it uh that they think it's just a a step on from 4g it actually operates in another uh band of frequency called millimeter waves and because millimeter waves do not um uh travel very far instead of having uh like big transmitters transmitting this stuff over a long distance you're gonna have like they are having already as they introduce it in america little boxes on the lamp post down the street pumping this stuff out and the other thing is that um this uh 5g doesn't travel well through solid objects like urban trees for instance are the worst nightmare of um 5g which kind of interests me with this uh phenomenon that i'm picking up all around the place not least in sheffield where thousands and thousands of urban mature trees are being cut down it caused a big big uh scandal in uh in sheffield when they say they're they're being cut down don't they because they interfere with the foundations of of heiser's oh yeah you you right interesting my brother is um he's a a bus mechanic he goes he goes out he he repairs buses on the side of the road yeah so he's constantly traveling all the time every day and he said to me independently there's these big old trees being cut down everywhere yeah whether that's connected um you know i'm open to that but the fact is 5g would not like mature urban trees and they're being cut down so is that cause and effect it's something that should be investigated david you know what's so interesting because we've gone from talking about 3g 4g now 5g of course we've had the or we're having the fourth industrial revolution there's no question about that and technology is going forward at a pace we're going into ai we're going to so many different don't start me on ai well and we're going to so many different areas there now so how do we stop that we're already going forward people are looking at it as a positive they're saying well actually 5g you know you're connected more ai this can help save lives so we're already in that movement aren't we the fourth industrial revolution is happening but if you go back in my books like 20 years what is happening now is all described in there that this is what the plan was and this is why you know who the plan by who well we talked about elastomer came there is there is a network which operates in every country which is pushing this agenda on that's why when i travel around the world i see the same things being introduced overwhelmingly justified by the same excuses and this is why this 5g is rolling out all over the place at the same time the plan is to create what they call a smart grid this is why almost everything that comes out now is smart right smart they're smart that smart the other and it's designed to be one grid and this whole um idea of the internet of things shows how fast it's moving i was warning about the internet of things in my books like 10 years ago we're now there and what that is is billions and it's meant to be tens and tens of billions virtually everything in the end uh whether it's your fridge or your car or whatever is connected to the internet as part of this uh whole um uh smart grid and the the the end game which they're already talking about in silicon valley people like uh ray kurzweil the google executive um is to connect the human brain to ai so the human brain becomes part of this smart grid and this is what kurzweil says and he gives the it gives the um the the kind of period of this really becoming real of 2030 i'm speaking in 2019 he says that once um you the human brain is connected to ai a.i will do more and more of human thinking and emotional response until and these are his words that um the human part of it is basically negligible yeah and what what what is he describing and he's not alone far from alone and the whole movement of this as you described this technological world is moving there real fast because they want to get it real fast so it's it's in place before we suss what it is this uh will mean that the human mind human consciousness of we've come to understand it will basically be assimilated into artificial intelligence up to this point humans have been controlled by controlling their perception because from perception comes behavior from perception comes everything controlling perception by controlling information because we form our perceptions from information received so control the information you form the perception this end game with ai is to move us from that level of perceptual uh manipulation to our perceptions coming directly from ai and and it's like you say it's moving so fast which puts which seemed a crazy time scale when he first came out with in 2030 it starts to okay listen what do you think about what you're hearing there do you think there's credibility in that oh 304 499 1000 let me get your views then on extinction rebellion uh all last week the protests in london uh the way they were handled what they were kind of what they're trying to uh achieve what do you think uh well um if they were out there protesting about uh the effects of 5g uh not least the effects on nature of 5g because these electromagnetic fields are are also expressed through through trees in the natural world through animals it's all the same thing so they will be affected by this frequency destabilization from 5g as people have been destabilized already from what we've had so far look at look at the um the level of child suicide and children uh thinking of suicide that has um emerged in this uh technological smart stroke social media era it's gone going through the roof now that is a cause and effect because when you are in a a sea of um technologically generated frequencies then you are going to be affected by that and we are seeing um uh the effect so if they were protesting against 5g i'd say well good on you but this is something again i've been writing about since that literally the 1990s i was saying that this whole um global warming climate change uh what i would call a scam was uh a hoax from the start uh through organizations that i i named um because let me get this straight you are a climate change denier no um um i'm i don't deny climate change climate change is always happening it's always always has happened so what are you um i'm challenging the idea that uh the climate is being catastrophically changed by human activity first of all if you look at the uh graph of greenhouse gases by far the biggest greenhouse gas up in the 97 98 percents is water vapor and clouds i mean what are we going to do band condensation then you look at the uh contribution of carbon dioxide and most it's tiny compared with with that tiny um and most of that is naturally generated and then you you as many open-minded scientists have pointed out it is actually stating the obvious but sometimes that needs to be done without carbon dioxide we'd all be dead it's what makes the plants grow we're breathing it out what are you going to do ban human breathing it's it's crazy now what so the question comes and it's it's understandable so why why are they doing that why why are they selling as a lie because of a technique that i've been talking about for 30 years which i call problem reaction solution and there's another version of it no problem reaction solution where you don't have a real problem but you do sell the perception of one like global warming like weapons of mass destruction in iraq that weren't there and what you do is you you create a problem or the perception of one and you get the public to believe and therefore react to your problem by basically saying well do something and if not do something then at least be open to what you want to do to solve the problem and then so you have the problem you have the reaction do something and then you have the solution where that which is created the problem or the fake problem then offer the solutions to the problems they've created giving them the problem gives them the excuse to do what they want to do but couldn't justify without the problem so who would benefit from the solution in that case okay now one of the things i i i said at this at the time when i started introducing this a long time ago was okay so what's the solution absolutely the solution i said would be to justify uh the centralization of power to uh concentrate a a dictatorial system to save the planet we've got to have control at the center to save the planet and a lot of uh draconian stroke marxist structures to make sure we save the world and what has happened now is that we've had these demands because the world has 12 years left or whatever it is now it was 12 years like 20 years ago now it's another 12. we you just keep having new deadlines we seem to pass them all right and what we're having now are these demands for exactly that um that structure that that centralization of power but wouldn't we be better off with that centralization of power in terms of maybe you know however unpalatable it may sound uh population control you know distribution of wealth for water or whatever well two things i'll come to that in a second just very quickly and on the other side of the atlantic um they've introduced through the democratic party and a lady called um alexandria ocasio-cortez who's kind of the the progressive poster girl at the moment um something called the green new deal and the green new deal is basically what i'm talking about it's the centralization of power to save the world now once you centralize power and this is what marxism does this is what fascism does which are basically expressions of the same thing if we if we really look at them once you centralize power you are creating a very simple situation you are giving control over the vast majority to a tiny few and you are um hoping that they are benevolent you're hoping that they will use that power um wisely history tells us they never do once you have centralization of power you have abuse of power and what we've um been looking at through human history is the incessant centralization of power we were in tribes once loads of tribes were brought together under nations now they're bringing loads of nations together under the european union and and now they're talking about uh wanting a world government which is what i predicted they would want 30 years ago um and we're in a situation now where globalization is the total expression of what i'm talking about where the the number of people who hold the real center of power in the world never mind britain is tiny okay well i'm taking from that i may be wrong that you are in favor of uh democracy which leads me to brexit recently the referendum and that we're going to be talking about that we have got to talk about brexit brexit in five minutes what can you tell me again uh i've been on this case now for nearly uh 30 years i've done a lot of research into the background of the european union where it came from you can get get it back very comfortably into the 1920s and people like the habsburg dynasty it's where the european union came out of and i talked before the break about this incessant centralization of power well that's what the european union is and there is a another technique of manipulation that i call the totalitarian tiptoe where you're at a but you know you're going to zed but you know if you go in too big a leap then the change will be so great people say what's going on so you go as fast as you can but not so fast that you alert too many people of of what's happening and the european union is a classic first of all stepping stone they they sell you a um a free trade zone good for jobs and then then they uh say okay well it will be much more efficient if we centralize decision making so centralized decision making then you go through the maastricht treaty more centralization of power then you go through the lisbon treaty which basically has created this european super state where what happens in in the eu a handful of unelected bureaucrats right basically to take the whole of you so we knew more a lot and the the will of the people in the united kingdom is to get out of it are we going to get out of it well this is the thing um when the referendum was announced i was up and waiting for it i watching think he was david dimbleby wasn't it was fronting it up and they announced the results that that actually were coming uh they wanted to to come out i put on the internet and then within that first hour this is just the start because they ain't going quietly and what we've uh seen because the idea of the european union is to draw more and more countries and not let any go especially one like britain so what was going to happen it was always going to be trashed and once we had a situation where the uh the political class of all parties got involved uh in deciding what the referendum meant it was always going to go pear-shaped and that's what we've seen it's been an alliance between the political class in britain and the bureaucrats in in in brussels to trash brexit so where are we going what's your prediction at best well where we are now is not brexit because what the the may deal wants is still controlled by europe controlled by bureaucrats that's not what the people voted for so with brexit is is is not what it was meant to be anyway already and the idea is to dilute it and dilute it and dilute it it's either to dilute it and they've reached that point already where it's not brexit or to stop it altogether and you see you look at the history of the european union and whenever countries have had referendums and voted against what the european union bureaucrats want instead of accepting it because this is an agenda no that we're not being stopped by democracy this is going to happen they they they wait and they have another referendum it happened in ireland it and it's happened in other countries till they got to the result that they wanted until they get the result that they want now if we have another people's vote and it goes to to uh remain in the european union that will be it they won't be oh well no you know let's do it again they'll say maybe the people didn't vote for that and we must have this uh another referendum none of that this is all a scam uh to stop brexit happening and you know in a way it's a good thing in this sense it has shown the british people that these cliches that governments and politicians are not there to serve the people are not just cliches they're actually real because what's happened is the will of the people has been uh destroyed ignored and abused by the political class and uh it's a big wake-up call for people and i know a lot of people have woken up to it now because of brexit well you're listening to the voice of the grand master of the alternative theory he is mr david ike uh renegade his life story is out where can you see it how can you what what it's gonna be available to to to download to watch on july the sorry june the fourth yes and uh then it will be eventually you know you know these various mediums they have now maybe netflix and stuff like that well uh david has been fascinating listening to you listeners i'm not asking you to agree disagree whatever but open your minds it's interesting to hear a different narrative on things that are reported in the news andy graham has tweeted me saying uh taken into account to the way the world is run today uh plus listening to david ike on talk radio i would say an open mind is an absolute must because today right now anything is possible uh thank you very much indeed for listening please thank you for your company good luck with the film thank you look forward to seeing it and uh with that we'll say goodbye to david uh we'll say hello to the ads and back with the news you

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Length: 36min 42sec (2202 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 26 2019