David Icke in conversation with Eamonn Holmes | July 2018

the great man has arrived uh in the studio david very good to see you we'll let you settle down just thanks mate shake hands with you very good to look around you said great very good to see you hello nice to meet you i'm sorry nice to meet you david there is so much obviously to talk about and um you know the interesting thing is even you you and i sorry you're in the wrong chair aren't you we've got to find the wrong thing because david and yeah used to work at the bbc together uh in the the late 80s and the um the unfortunate thing for him and the really good thing for me was of course you fell out with the bbc oh they fell out with me and i got your sports shifts i got your apparently saying um uh the economic system is uh destroying the uh environment was um incompatible within rush god hat trick and that was that yeah though glad it happened well high amazing if it hadn't happened you could have been sitting here and i i'd have been unemployed yeah and i i i would have long taken the pill if i'd have continued in that industry yeah and it's interesting you say about that industry because you know that's just one of the many things i want to talk to you about that industry that is the media that is broadcast and there are limitations to that and you know what the older i am and the longer i'm in this business you've got regulatory bodies which say what you can't say and what you should do don't stop control but i do want to start you i do want to start you because i think whether you agree with this man or not and i think i think you just have got to listen to what he says you listen to what he says and then come away and judge judge for yourself after that right so media what's broadcast what's a lie to be broadcast well um i've been writing in my books now for nearly 30 years that there is a plan to make orwell's 1984 reality um and we're seeing this of course with more and more con uh uh control of uh people's privacy and and the constant um gathering of fine detailed data of people's lives but the key thing is this what directs people's lives what directs their opinions what directs their behavior their perceptions their perceptions of themselves their perceptions of the world their perceptions of world events the way they're sold those events yeah now this is the point where do we get those perceptions from we get them from information received it might be a personal experience information or it might be the 10 o'clock news or it might be the daily mail or something on facebook the point is if you um control the information that people receive then you will to a vast extent dictate their perceptions especially if you also censor suppress and marginalize other people giving another fix another version of the same event or the first same situation now i've just come back um literally a few days ago from america and i've been filming there and particularly silicon valley i call it the devil's playground if you now look at that what is when you visited a very small area of america never mind the world you've got companies that facebook uh google etc that are increasingly a dominating um the gathering of data of people's lives b because of the way they have so impacted upon the uh channels of communication they dictate to a such of an increasing extent what people see and what people don't see let me interrupt you there i need to say something to you last night um i i was on the phone at 11 o'clock at night to my brother my elder brother leonard right and he attended your arena uh conference in dublin uh recently i'm going back there on the 24th you're 12 hours he stands up there 10 12 hours and he does he does whatever he does um and we finished the conversation about you and i said good night and then suddenly there's a notification of two david ike youtube videos and i said i thought gosh i didn't think my brother was very tech savvy that was amazing so i phoned him this morning i said thanks for those two video clips are very good he said i didn't send you two video clips they weren't on my email they weren't on my text messages they weren't on whatsapp but these were they they dropped down on my phone two youtube suggestions about david ike why did that happen it's very simple um i i've come across many many stories like this in fact to such an extent that um facebook has had to uh say actually we're not doing on purpose or it's just for advertising they are actually listening to conversations um obviously you've not got a human being sitting there um although if they're targeting someone it's a human being but the general population it's it's algorithms we're talking ai now i mean the possibilities of human um manipulation of communication and the gathering of data now are are limitless increasingly and what happens is when because many people have had conversations about say a product an aftershave a concert ticket and then it comes up on facebook and they weren't even um you know thinking that they were talking to facebook these are private you what's wrong with that so for some people listening her husband's in this business well for some people it's about convenience it's about um saving time it's oh that's exactly what i was looking for i'll click onto it so that's more important than uh having private conversations in your own home well for me if if if i'm talking about a holiday and a holiday who else is listening to that conversation and what what else you say a part that is not a product but you know i don't live my life looking at what ifs no you don't you no you don't and that's why that's why you're a doddle to scam and you're a doddler i've never been scammed how do you know that why do you know but because i haven't i well so so if a product comes up and you buy it you haven't been scammed well i made the choice to buy it you think you have well it's been put in front of you if it wasn't put in front of you you might not have bought it there's lots of products that come up that i decide not to buy there are some that i decide to buy but but no say sarah for instance i'm planning a secret holiday with my secret girlfriend and the message comes through going to hawaii my wife sees well has that ever happened to you don't judge the world by your own experience in your own opinion if that's happened to you the point the point the point being that um the control out of silicon valley of the information we receive um the data that's collected and increasingly the nature of the ai that uh that's running things concentrates that power in such a small area it's much such a small number of hands um and if you um want to have control by the few of the vast number you have to centralize power and that's what is happening in silicon valley on a scale that beggars belief could that happen on a scale to affect elections whether those be the u.s presidential elections or the referendum the european referendum but it all it it anything's possible when you have algorithms that can filter out information that's not good for the agenda you have or the outcome you want and emphasize information that does support the outcome that you want and increasingly it's coming to light that this is what's happening see when um the internet started and which which came out of uh an organization called darpa by the way which is the technological development arm of the pentagon um it was sold as the free flow of information you could you could uh post all kinds of opinions now if that didn't start like that and and right from the start if you can't say that you can't do that then it wouldn't have got this uh this massive uh control and uh and um and influence on the communications that go on between people so you start with what people want and then especially more recently you and faster and faster you start um doing especially when you you enter the realm of semi monopoly you start taking away the freedom of the free flow of information so people now are having youtube channels just deleted no explanation just deleted on a big scale when they're challenging the official narrative facebook um sense of people they have a thing called ghost banning where you actually get to post it but the ai makes sure it doesn't go anywhere and when you have the power to do that coming back to perception you have the power to control the information that people receive and thus massively influence the perceptions that they have and from their perceptions comes their behavior comes what they will accept what they won't accept what they'll challenge what they won't challenge it's it's an extraordinary uh centralization of power and you know people are saying i love trump i hate trump and and and oh it's the right it's the left and and this this this vaudeville show which is in so many ways is so focusing people's attention on that it's everywhere isn't it trump's everything and people are not looking what's happening in that area of real estate in california where all this is going on uh david good to have you here good um what about that's where we go next trump america you were in america last week you're filming you're updating um your documentary renegade uh which is all which is you which is what you are uh what about president trump is he a renegade um he i think he's a a renegade in the eyes of many people who who voted for him um and you know when when i see um what is called the progressive left attacking trump and saying um it's terrible what's happened i say to them look in the mirror because the reason that someone like trump could come to power the reason that um these parties are coming to power in um in europe is because so many people have been left voiceless for so long for instance if you um have what is called political correctness and we were talking earlier about censorship and what you can hear and what you can say political correctness is simply manipulating the population to silence itself and more and more we're seeing the orwellian destruction of free opinion and the free flow of debate on the basis of you can't say that or you can't do that yeah exactly um and i'm and i'm thinking of that actress who pulled out of the film the transgender film who was was it charlie um it was scarlett johansson um i mean a lot of public pressure there for her to do that well this this is um a major area of the suppression of freedom of speech and freedom of opinion it's the mob and when you talk as i'm sure you do to the general population you find that their views of these issues are not the same as the mob but the mob um have got very organized the the twitter stormers and unfortunately because so many people particularly celebrities are frightened of upsetting people frightened of losing or tainting their images they perceive it in other words frightened of what other people think again and again you see it they're down on their knees they're calling for the sackcloth and the ashes i'm ever so sorry please forgive me and if we go on doing this if we go on like scarlett johansson did i can understand it but to to pull out if we keep doing that then we're handing over power over our lives and our society to the mob uh the people that um intimidate people into their version of everything and this is this is where we are now increasingly the only right in the eyes of these people is i am right and because i am right anyone else that has a different opinion to me must by definition be wrong and if they're wrong then their right to freedom of speech is nothing like as important as mine because it doesn't matter if they're freedom of speech because they're wrong this is the process that of um of thinking or what passes for it that is increasingly having these uh these vociferous loud um uh intimidating uh people impose their will on everyone else for instance um if people um have a view that you can decide your gender by just deciding it that is an opinion and it's opinion that the people have the right to have but if you say actually i'm a man and i don't have breasts right and and i have dangly bits women don't so therefore there is something in this genetic relationship to sexuality then that's an equally valid opinion that should be open to free debate this is the way the mob works however you can say well yes uh you just decide your gender fair enough that's your opinion you you you should have it but the other opinion's not allowed yeah there's a simple thing just very quickly very quickly because scientifically he wouldn't agree to that so if you wake up and you say well i'm edwina not eamon he said like i can't recognize that yeah but he got sacked for not taking that into account exactly and that's how this brow beating into submission and intimidation works and and we are seeing the mob increasingly imposing its will i mean you know i don't um have any uh political sympathy with what's called the far right but i do have sympathy with freedom of speech and i certainly don't have sympathy with people that call themselves left like antifa who go to um meetings or of people they disagree with and and knock the crap out of them this is the world we're moving into it's it's it's so polarized and it's so i am right on one side and i am right on the other side the truth is always in the shades of grey that's what we mean in this world that we're in you often talk about the global elite has trump joined that global elite theresa may part of that global elite is angela merkel what once by the time you get to that level you you're talking here today gone tomorrow puppets mate and and if you're gonna hide um what i call the permanent government what is increasingly now in you know mainstream society called the deep state um then we've got to understand that the focus of attention on the here today gone tomorrow politicians is is a diverting attention to where the real power is it's not about i mean trump is trump now and and i i love trump i i hate trump he replaced obama someone will replace trump and and they come and they go the permanent government doesn't go at the top of the pyramid you've got this this network of people very few people compared with the global population it's laughable then you've got the secret society network through which it manipulates but keeping secret that this cabal exists under that you've got control of finance and note every one thing i'm mentioning doesn't come and go it's always there so you come through finance and what does finance do it dictates choice if you say to people what would you like to do with your life and they say this and i say why aren't you doing it this ain't got the money mate so you control choice for the for the population by controlling the the money then you come down and you hit the military the military's always there when you travel around america i'm sure you've seen it too uh eamonn um there's forts everywhere i mean the amount of land that's that's that's that's uh occupied by the american military is staggering and of course it's got a budget i think it's up to 10 countries the 10 next countries with mil the biggest military budgets before you you equal the the military budget of the united states so it's fantastically funded along with the military you've got the um the military intelligence networks and the domestic intelligence network the cia and uh british intelligence the national security agency etc these are always there and then you come down you hit the corporations you hit the the the justice and legal system that's always there and and if you're going to control a society you control the money but you must also control the law and then you come down after this this hierarchy of permanence and then you hit the here today gone tomorrow politicians where the focus of attention is always on as if they're making the decisions you know they have a saying in america people who are awake anyway it doesn't matter who you vote for the government still gets in yeah the permanent government still gets in and that's what's running the show and that's why if you look across um the uh the the the presidencies and the prime minister's uh uh uh in different eras the same basic agenda kicks on whoever's in power and um very quickly if i i've got time before the uh the news um so you haven't forgotten no no it's not good memory look look at democracy right yeah we're talking about here today gone tomorrow politicians how does it work in almost every country there are two parties that have any chance of forming a government sometimes three mostly two america britain cetera um so you vote for party a and you don't like what the uh and they get into power you don't like what they're doing the only way to get them out is to vote for party b you vote for party b they get in you don't like what they're doing why because basically it's the same thing because the permanent government is dictating it not them so how do you get rid of party b uh you go back to party a and it's this this a b a b that we call democracy i was in ukraine in uh 2010 i think it was and the president of ukraine yanukovych was the same man they threw out in the orange revolution in 2004 because the orange revolution put this other man in he he took power they didn't like what he did and when they wanted to get rid of him yanukovych who was removed in the uh in the uh the so-called revolution was still leading the other party so he gets back in now this is the madness and we call it choice john david's listening hello good evening to you all good afternoon to i'd like to know david um because i'm with you on this especially with the internet and his control how come we can't tell people you see way back when i was on cb radio you know i was always careful i was always told not to say too many things um how can we control this because i think unfortunately we're going to end up with a serious backlash and i think that the the end of the day people will go back to using cb radio is people who go back to using cb uh rebelling against this john thanks well that does happen uh that kind of stuff does happen in america where there's a lot of stations like that but of course they don't they don't police the um the frequencies quite so much as they do in britain which is very much harder here uh what what um the internet has done up to this point is to give um a vehicle for alternative narratives to circulate and like i say what is happening now is those vehicles are being systematically um removed and you have to ask when people say oh is there a conspiracy all that stuff well why why why would giant corporations etc like the internet corporations why would they want to censor people's opinions just because they're different to the mainstream narrative there has to be a reason for it and when you put all the other stuff together uh all the deletion of channels or the gathering of of of fine detail of of private uh information you can see orwell's world unfolding and by the way um alder suxley's brave new world which becomes more and more into four along with orwell to up to this point it's been the orwellian police state and surveillance and control but now we're seeing the the genetics the um the manipulation of um of of the human body even coming in which is what um the uh brave new world and older saxony was talking about and that came out in 1932 and you know uh in my books i um i quote a guy the one before the last one called phantom self i quote this guy at le length and it was in 1969 his name's dr richard day and he was a big-time rockefeller family insider the rockefellers are in this network um and no one knows why he did it but i'm glad he did um he stood up at a meeting of pediatricians in pittsburgh pennsylvania because he was in the medical profession and he asked them to turn off recording equipment and he asked them not to take notes because he was now going to tell him how the world was going to change because what he represented he was only a gopher for it mind was going to change it and what he said that night in 1969 he's absolutely stunning in the sense of the world that we now live in detail and you know one of the things he said in 1969 we are going to make boys and girls the same interesting and and many we saw a news report last night that are happening now yeah that they were doing that they were taking their new gender references in the classroom it's if you if you people read what he said in 1969 it is a a jaw dropper okay when you look at the world today that means very quickly that there is an agenda it's not happening randomly right well let me ask you david like why are you here on this planet do you think i mean what is what is your your mission are you a prophet are you a conspiracy conspiracist are you a preacher what's your job do you think well none of the above and by the way um you know this this um term conspiracy theorists conspiracy theory uh which is now used as a term of uh debunking always a conspiracy theorist which what's the conspiracy what's the dictionary definition it's two or more people conspiring to bring about an outcome we're drowning in them on that basis the question is though where did the widespread use of conspiracy theory and conspiracy theories come from where came from the cia provable fact during the 1960s when people staggeringly i mean you know why would they were questioning the fact that a magic bullet had gone through several people in kennedy's car and ended up in him were questioning the fact that his head went back as seen on the zebruda film taken by an onlooker and they they blame a guy who's supposed to be behind him do they have bullets that do u-turns do they so people were questioning that increasingly and the cia put out a document you can still i published in one of my books um to the major media in america giving a list of things to use to discredit those that were questioning the kennedy assassination of course later martin luther king and the others of the sixties and among them was use the term conspiracy theory and conspiracy theorist because what does that do it gives the idea that it's only theory now do conspiracy theories exist of course because you say well looking at the evidence you know i i think this is probably what happened that's a theory but if people read my books a couple of one of them is a thousand pages one of them's not the not much smaller you see enormous amounts of interconnecting evidence not least from insiders and whistleblowers and what have you because once you do what i do people people are attracted to you to get the information out you'll see it's not a theory it's it's backed up by substantial fact but you can destroy all of that in one word or one phrase he's a conspiracy can i can i can i ask you you're a young lad from a council estate in leicester yeah how and when did you start thinking the way that you do because you see the world you do see the world in a different way i connect with that partly i i get that because i don't like following rules i don't like to be told what to do i like to find an alternative way but you've taken it to a different level how did that happen to you well you don't have to um go far outside the norm to be on a different level frankly but you are on a different level but just very quickly um we're talking about this this programming of perception look at a human life when did it start with you i'll come to that very quickly but but this is important point look at a human life you come out of the womb and you're immediately um influenced in your perceptions by your parents who've been through the process you're about to go through very soon ludicrously soon after entering this world you find yourself sitting at a desk with an authority figure now telling you what is what isn't what's right what's wrong uh what's credible what's not credible when you can go to the toilet when you can eat when you can talk and this goes on through your formative years where the systems version of everything what i call the postage stamp consensus because it's so narrow is downloaded into people and then they go off into the institutions they become journalists they become scientists they become doctors they become politicians they become ceos or whatever and they take with them that core version of normal they've been and limitation possibility that they have been downloading all their lives and then the people in these institutions then confirm to each other that this norm is normal so a journalist who's doing a story about say um a health situation won't go to an an alternative practitioner who may have had great success in it he'll go to a doctor he'll give him postage stamp normal so you don't have to go too far outside yes exactly the postage stamp um defends itself and protects itself because um of the crime of being different which increasingly that that's what we're seeing not just increasingly it's gone on throughout known human history um religion uh police the postage stamps science police is the postage stamp politics police is supposed to stamp now the twitter storm has police the postage stamp um but what happened to me um was i was minding my own business i mean as as eamon said i was saying hello good evening here's the sport um and uh then um during 1976 no 1981 at 1982 no what was it trying oh yeah no 198.89 um i was um a spokesman for the green party and i was a um a presenter with the bbc and i got this feeling increasingly through um 1988 and then into 1989 when the green party had that massive uh european um election success felt when i was in a room alone i wasn't alone i didn't know i didn't understand it know anything about it and it got to the point in the spring of 1990 when i was in the kensington hilton hotel working for the bbc and i just finished working and i came back to the room and i sat on the side of the bed and um i looked out into the room and the the fact that there was some presence there i didn't understand was so tangible by now i actually said said into the room if there's something there would you please contact me because drive me up the wall about um uh maybe a week later two weeks later i um i was with my son gareth little boy then and um he went into a a newsagent shop cut a long story short and i and i he was looking at the books and i went in after him it was at right on the white the shop still there and um i said i said to him um come on guys we'll go up in the town and get some lunch and as i turned my feet wouldn't move and i felt i know what it was now was an electromagnetic field but a very strange atmosphere was around me and i wouldn't say it wasn't a voice it was a very strong thought form right it said go and look at the books on the far side now i knew that shop very well it went too often and the books on the far side were were mills and boone and barbara cartland what the heck am i going over there for so anyway i start walking in that direction in total bewilderment and then in among these books of um you know barbara cartland etc was this one which was called mind to mind and this warmer face on the front and because it was different to the rest i picked it up looked at the blurb and i saw the word psychic and it was the um it was the uh the autobiography of this psychic and how she works and i thought immediately i wonder if she'll know um or pick up what the hell's happening to me in this last year um so i didn't tell her anything i said to her was i've got arthritis maybe your hands on healing my help and nothing about what was going on and when i went to see her nothing happened the first time but the second and third times um the atmosphere in the room dramatically changed and i felt this like spiders web on my face suddenly while she's doing the hands-on healing stuff which is just an exchange of energy and of course my my backside's now slipping down the bench now because i'm thinking i read about this in her book that that you can feel a spider's web like on your face which i now know again is an electromagnetic field and about 10 to 15 seconds after i felt this never said anything to her she launches her head back and says this is powerful i'm gonna have to close my eyes for this one my bum is going more and more down the bench now because this is all new to me and in the next like 10 minutes and again a week later that was the last time i went um she was telling me that she was being told to tell me that i was going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets one man cannot change the world but one man can communicate the message that can change the world that i was going to face enormous opposition and ridicule and and and stuff but they wherever they are will always be there to protect me now i came out of that um not exactly neutral but well we'll see we'll see what happens but what has happened since all that she told me and more has unfolded in the most synchronistic way like some force i've been walking through a maze and some force has been opening and shutting the doors to send me down the channels and right to this day that's how it's come about if i'd have done this just by trying to work it out no chance but because of the synchronicity of the information coming to me um i've been able to put this stuff together i've got to go to the break but can you tell me in 15 seconds who they were who would always be no idea i've always i've always just gone with my intuition does this feel right or doesn't it feel right and that is they a god that's a religious or no it's not no it's not an energy force it's a it's a it's it's a form of consciousness it's it's not some bloke with a beard sitting on a throne i mean you know that whole religion what we're fed yeah what we've fed it's consciousness and and we are a point of attention within an infinite consciousness this is why racism and self-identity with labels of race and religion etc is so ridiculous it divides and rulers rules us they are just experiences for our point of attention awareness to uh experience love of merlot agree or disagree uh with him david ike uh does his research um he knows what he's talking about he believes what he's talking about whether you believe it is another thing and actually we're getting a lot of uh interesting complementary uh texts and tweets coming in about you people certainly enjoy listening to you whether they agree or not is a different thing and what you do and i know you talk about this is you join up the dots right do your research and you look at links that either the rest of us don't do or people don't want us to to think about that's the point if you if you look at things in and of themselves world events people corporations whatever they look a certain way see the connections between them you stop seeing pixels you start seeing pictures and then the world opens up right it's opening up in all sorts of ways artificial intelligence being the latest thing we're hearing or talking about are you worried about that should be threatened by that i i've written extensively about this um because it's the end game up to this point human perception which otherwise human control by controlling human perception has been done by controlling information that people receive the ain game which they're openly talking about in silicon valley people like the google executive ray kurzweil openly this is why so many people recently have come out and said hold on where are we going about connecting the human brain or the human uh body thinking processes the human mind to ai and what kurzweil says is that after this connection which he's talking about 2030 that's what he's given we i'm talking in 2018 that once the connection's made the ai will do more and more and more of human thinking until human thinking and the human consciousness as we would conceive it is is in his words negligible now if you um are controlling um ai you are turning people into a basically a computer terminal on the ai internet and what's happening bringing it to topical everyday today uh situations is is people are being manipulated through something that i call the totalitarian tiptoe you know you're going to zed but if you go in too big a leap to zed then people are going to say what's happening because the change is so great so you go as fast as you can from a to c to e to whatever and every step is presented as in and of itself and not connected to the other steps but if you break it down and you connect them look what's happening stage one you get people particularly the youngest they're the adults in the world that that uh at the time this is supposed to come in um you get them addicted to technology that they hold holdables you then uh because you want to get in the body you then go on the body you do your google glass you do your apple watch you do your uh bluetooth and now next and it's happening now you go in the body with with microchips and not only microchips that you can see but nano microchips which a cia scientist told me in the late 90s was coming which i put in my books at the time and people said that's that's ridiculous breathing in microchips that's impossible not it's not with nanotechnology it's not exactly what he told me is happening and the idea which is what we're being manipulated as a global society to do is to connect our thinking and emotional processes to ai so the human mind becomes a.i it's it's basically well this is the point this is an important point there is a method of perceptual programming that actually has a name it's called um uh what's it called uh basically it's um programming an a a an understanding or a an awareness of something before it actually happens and what happens is you put out in movies and television programs yeah the world you want to go into because if you don't yeah the division between what people are living and where you're going is so great that that division that uh chasm will get people to say what's going on so what you do it's called preemptive programming that's what it's called and and what you do is you put out all these programs look at the ai programs and the west worlds and these synthetic uh humans now and you're basically getting people subconsciously familiar with where you want to take them so that you're you're lessening the resistance this is where we're going and this is the big end game that we must understand the end game of all end games in 30 years from now i'm just looking at your twitter page uh you say humans will attend their own funerals as robots that's not me saying that that is um a.i um what they call themselves ai experts and what are called futurists that's what they're saying because this is the idea is to download i mean this sounds fantastic but this is this is actually where it's going and that's what that guy's talking about downloading human consciousness on to a digital form so humans become digital rather than biological i mean that you you could you couldn't um uh think of something more far out except that that's what's happening and it's and that that in in the way that he wrote is what aldous huxley was talking about in brave new world the time when there were no longer um humans not even human procreation not even male or female but a very different type of human and and all this this explosion of transgender which is fusing the uh perception of sexuality that is taking us down the totalitarian tiptoe to um to this world that i'm talking about well david like you are certainly a very different type of human uh long may you continue to tease us perplexes educate us inspire us infuriate us whatever you've done i've done it very well for the past are really i appreciate that that's very kind thank you very much thank you very much indeed

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Published: Thu Jul 26 2018