David Bowie interview at Dutch TV show 'Karel' • TopPop

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Felicia Day the desert is black met David Bowie [Applause] David welcome on the show a nice to have you here nice to be able to listen to your lovely new CD first of all I would like you to have a look at a little clip of film that we've made last night as the audience to your concert in Utrecht came into the or Anya how I loved you since I was 10 and I still love you she just loves you okay fine well since 74 I'm sorry on the top of television is artificial muscle because I'd like to send you this CD it's from our band it's two men to member bands this one in America and also in Europe we would love to do it here's the business card I'll give you with both of our names on it and there are 28 million hearing-impaired people in the US and even a greater number worldwide that knee exposure to your music music should not be denied to them because that's the deaf person do you like music I love music I've never had extra studio to music sits on that so through silence return a sign that we need to know what the shape the form and the context of the musical so and it's great visuals I tell you you saw her leave I saw the girl last night I think she was yeah my stage left I think she had quite a party girl could you believe deaf people buying your CDs it's extraordinary I have a friend who's hearing impaired and and his particular way is to just feel the vibrations coming from the music and and he's got fairly sophisticated in in he can recognize instruments through the degrees of resonance you know they actually want to go and do interpretations to all your concerts in America if you go there listen to reinsure this gentleman that gave us the ID of his sandwich today so it's in good hands and there's a little note in it I mean this is a damn fine music I just quickly played it before I came out to sit yeah let's talk about outside for all those people that haven't haven't heard the album yet there's a an intriguing although a little bizarre story yes there is lying underneath it all could you summarize it for it it's ostensibly some kind of murder which is taking place outside the front steps or upon the front steps of an art museum in a fictional town called New Oxford town somewhere in America the most remarkable thing about it is that is that it's not merely a murder it's been set up as a piece of art and there's a detective who will endeavor to solve this particular crime his major problem is to define whether it is merely just murder or whether it is art that's that's really because the whoever did it that's the problem for the police this is an art crimes detective I'm working on this album with my collaborators Brian Eno with whom I've worked before in the past and what we really intend to do is to by using a sort of a metaphysical stories to create a diary of the last five years of the 90s so this would be number one in a series of four or five albums and the end presumably will have a we'll know if it was murder if it was art who it was or who they were I don't know do you know of any of you do you know of any real artists that will hopefully not murder but use mutilation or auto mutilation as a form of art do you know them personally the one reason as it is Diaries the one reason that Brian and I even settled on this kind of subject matter is that there's a great predominance of body art at the moment in the visual arts pretty much a worldwide movement at the moment there's a an artist called Ron Athey whose works with scarifications on his boyfriend's back and then creates prints from the blood from the blood and yeah now it may sound bizarre in a way I guess but it's not without its precedence I mean the the obsession with going to churches and seeing relics from our saints or in fact using pieces of the body and the Catholic Church is quite a part of the ritual of Catholicism I would imagine that your own Museum of torture probably has a very large following and thence in Amsterdam I believe that the relationship between the body and the pain and the excess that it can take is tantamount to an understanding of the universe in some people's minds not necessarily my opinion of course we I am merely the author yeah of course Andre Britain in the 20s should shoot a gun into a crowded City but absolutely that was his manifesto for surrealism was that a greatest work of art because while you're talking to me there's somewhere in the back of my had this little story about about you as a young boy slicing up a dead pigeon is there any through phenomena skinning a dead I know nothing I might have eaten the odd worm I can't remember slicing up a vision no no I don't know about that one now I'll have to get the book there's a yeah yeah well there's a yeah yeah yeah yeah the mythos is very often but I mean this kind of you can use it for a song one yeah I think a lot of this this coming to the end of Himalaya a lot of the art that's being produced and a lot of these stresses and anxieties that we all have have something to do with putting to rest the corpse of the 20th century so by virtue of that my mites assume that the corpse in my stories in fact allegorically the the corpse of the 20th century but then again let's not put up our hopes too high you yourself said when when the day comes January 1st in the year 2000 it turns out to be a Tuesday morning absent nothing else but what your greatest problem is trying to find a good news program yeah well I think probably so I mean I I hope that that would be one of our major problems let's stick with Andre blue - yeah because there the whole the whole thing of looking and at mutilation or at violence or at murder as a work of art also brings to mind as this other bizarre phenomenon of fans loving their idols so much that they want to equalize their idols and the only way they can think of is killing them I mean where were you when John Lennon was sir the two or three the two or three I'm incredibly decent people as it as it has it ever been a fear for you know I mean you lived in New York when John Lennon was shot by a guy didn't want to want it to be as famous I don't find that I don't find that I find that an obsessive and a particular fear I have merely general anxieties and the more about getting through a day successfully myself hoping that to have achieved something and hoping to keep some kind of moral equilibrium throughout the day that for me is an anxiety I outside problems don't really are not an issue with me at all have you ever understood all those screaming girls that were just screaming as they said because he's so cute I've never attempted to so you've never succeeded I've never attempted to understand them no it's beyond my it's beyond my comprehension I'm not I was for a pretty obsessive fan when I was a kid I mean I used to like the American musician Little Richard and in terms of a collector I've collect every record that he made on try and find out as much about him as I could and I do remember when he first came to Britain of waiting outside the stage door of the theatre that he was playing at waiting for himself you get an autograph I think passed the autograph stage though I don't think I've got me any further than yeah I would like to ask you something about your your divine investment no I'm outgoing please go ahead I'm not gonna tell you not to smell I mean you know better me telling you man do you smoke I have done for the rest enough for the rest of my life please go ahead I would like to talk to you about fear is it true that for a long time the fear to lose your own mental health your sanity has been a major fear in your life I think there's a once I'm just approaching 50 at the moment I think looking back when I was in my late teens my early twenties there was kind of a romanticism attached to the zany or the crazed or the mentally unstable because of it's assumed evanesce I think the idea of being able to observe and be a participant in an alternative reality is very exhilarating for some young people I think when you're also an artist it almost comes with the territory and I think that you assume that you must be a bit crazy just to be an artist I had a some sense of traditional mental instability in my family so that I was overly concerned that it may in some way apply to me as well and then of course getting involved in drug usage in the 70s really gave it sort of long order but I think for me personally as an artist it's it's not something that that I would entertain anymore I feel fairly stable they're like you should congratulate him now still I don't get it if you were overly concerned because of mental disorders appearing somewhere in the family there's this one thing that I don't understand why on earth if you're so concerned about it do you go on stage and invent a lot of characters that you've played for months and months or months on stage and a lot of time times off stage weren't you tempting to gods I think that was pure shyness you in at one in one very serious interview you said whether I fill the characters with my life or filled my life with the characters that's unclear to me yeah so it so that's to me that shows that you really lost yourself somewhat in the other yes I mean that is I'm seeing the gods if you were really I'm using your sanity one doesn't have the equipment at that age to know if you're tempting the gods or or otherwise I think that you just flow with what you feel is a very energetic life river of energy and excitement you know and I put myself in a situation where I really didn't know what the boundaries were what the fine line was between my characters on stage and my and my absolute self and that's that's something that really I never really came to terms with until the late seventies and the late seventies that I started to redefine exactly who I was by readjusting my life and taking myself out of a kind of a pretty fast lane existence did you in a way like Lou Reed puts it do a little of growing up in public which were pants down rarely with my pants down and I'm not sure about growing up I hope that I never fully grow up no I don't think no I haven't grown up believe me did anybody ever tell you that the that the pictures that were taken of you when you were younger let's say 15 years younger yeah look astonish me like lady die when she's sad have a look I think she looks awfully like me but that's merely the lack of the generational thing I don't know anything about absolutely nothing and you don't and you don't want to get involved oh my my life is difficult and interesting without okay let me ask let's get let me ask you another question about who who do you resemble your father physically yeah yeah pretty much oh I guess amalgam between my mother and my father and like both I suppose I guess I don't know I don't know I thought about it what sort of a man was he a typical polite English gentleman yes I think he probably was he is very decent man I think if I inherited anything from him at all and is there he made it very clear that my choices were mine as of a certain age and that whatever gave me he was now you never pressed me into thinking of financial stability as being something to particularly strive for that it for me it was a much more a case of what is it that you really feel will make each and every day something to look back on and say that was really good was he dead kind of man for himself as yes he was yeah was he successful man yes he was a successful man financially no not at all but as a person he was he worked for children a charity in England could dr. benardos dr. Minard Holmes and that's something that gave him terrific satisfaction would you call him an outsider in his days no he belonged to a group belong to a group no I don't think any of my family ever belong to groups we're not group people tend to be quite sort of fun very self-sufficient people give us a book and a paintbrush and we don't really need them what about your own fatherhood if I may ask I have absolutely no idea you'd have to ask my son I believe that we had always a very strong relationship I don't know there's no rulebook to go by I mean he turned out to be a really charming bright lovely young man I mean he's a good kid was no longer a kid he's 24 years old still studying if they're 7 he's still stunning yeah what is he studying he's taking his doctorate in philosophy of them yes is that what she wants to do is that what you want to do yes why would you want to study philosophy I asked my son the same question I have that absolutely gives you the possibility to look at one thing in different ways yes now I go I great I understand I agree with you she's quite she's quite right I think that's why one is drawn to understanding how other people think and whether where they come from or where they're going where they've been through their lives is that when you'll start with a set of absolute absolutes when you're a kid I think you know you go to this kind of church you do that kind of thing and you think this way if you have any sense of imagination I think that you fall out fairly quickly with absolutes and you you want to see as wider divide as many avenues as are possible in life and and I think for me from my part I got to a place where I saw that I could pick bits and pieces of each of those avenues it's not essential to take one Avenue as the gospel that no one man is right about anything or even one group of people are not right about everything and I would pick and choose little bits of everything a little bit of Buddhism maybe a little bit of this a little bit of that to kind of give me some basis some kind of explanatory platform for my life you know and that in itself is an enjoyment so you must be incredibly proud and glad with your son picking philosophy to study well I'm so pleased that he's going with something that interests him I mean I I would I'd feel sad if he if he went for something because he thought it it looked like a good career you know in terms of where I can get at the tough under this listen sons usually kissed the ground under their father's feet when they're seven but I'm the twice as old as that yeah they are deeply ashamed for everything their father is and stands for and that happens at about seventy seventy I mean you were the ultimate extra for gonza on the surface of this planet yeah yeah he probably he probably had a bit of a problem has he never told you David please I tell you something who did do that was very funny it was a number of years ago and a band that he really liked he was about I guess he was about 11 at the time about maybe 12 their band that he liked called pill Johnny Rotten spend public image limited were playing near us and he said you know can we go and see him that I see of course in Uganda so I've gone get ready so he went upstairs and he came back downstairs and he'd put that quick washout red dye and his hair was very hard and I stood I said if you think that I'm going out what happened you did go yeah I wonder what is it so your says some amusing no-good situations is it true you're planning on having a new family again and moving to London well if there's God's will yes I mean that would be a tremendous I think we both love that very much and then you go and live in London um possibly I mean we're sort of looking at our options at the moment living the last few years have been and probably will continue to be pretty much travelogues for both of us and especially for me because I do intend doing a lot more live work I enjoy and enjoying performance again more than I've enjoyed it for years and years and I'd like to I'd like just like to make the most of it well I still care before I bring up my Zimmer but I guess probably I'd be pretty hard to stop even then really is it I believe they must encourage abour and still be doing space songs when I'm 90 yeah well give you a movie I'm sure you will listen is it - you made a North Orion Arthurian tool with your wife yes indeed we are where do you find all this stuff well if yes the particular things that you've pulled out so far pretty on the money when I first met her I mean she really hadn't she'd only been to London by that time by the time I met her in fact she had already retired as a model and she retired in 1989 she stopped modeling but the only time that she'd been into London to see anything of England was on modelling assignments so she came in for maybe 48 or 72 hours at a time and she really had absolutely no idea what what England or London or any of it was about now I thought and I picked I'm so judicious I picked the first two weeks of Earth to set the last two weeks of May and the weather was just extraordinary there was it's never like that in England I mean it was just quite beautiful and we took a trip to the southwest of England and went through Cornwall and Devon and all that and Glastonbury and also the apocryphal sites of where Arthur lived his life and and lived his times and and and she was absolutely thrilled and said it is this this weather and this beautiful you sit like this all the time yes just have no idea how beautiful Englanders this is the England nobody talks about and it was just fantastic so she has a completely full sense of what it's like to live it and you try to keep it that way yes but listen this is almost like sailing up the Aven yes yes well I'm a romantic why do you want to go live in Britain again well at some point in my life I would like to get back to Britain I think I missed the gossip not my line I wish it was there was a play written by Alan Bennett called an Englishman abroad and it dealt ostensibly with the spike in filming the actress Carol brown went to see him in his rooms in Moscow I miss the gossip and she yes she asks him Kim what's the one thing that you miss about Britain or anything else and I said oh the gossip I quite feel like that what I mean by that is that I quite miss a particular way of looking at the world that a lot of my friends I've kept in touch and in fact my circle of friends in England has grown considerably over the last few years and one sort of misses their company you know could it be so that you're not the complete outsider that you once was and you just want to oh I think I think I stopped being an outsider quite some time ago is that I've just got to convince the rest of the world that I've stopped being the outsider that they thought I was you've done a great attempt at this table thank you very much for coming to our little studio laughter now we're gonna take this table clear the floor make some room for your band to play for you to write what to sing good times in here that David Bowie and [Applause] [Music] my eyes [Music] with the same desires the soul [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] - 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Length: 41min 14sec (2474 seconds)

Published: Thu Feb 28 2019