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that i've never thought of myself as a legend but it's going to be dale earnhardt jr jr dale earnhardt jr wins the 46th daytona 500. [Music] i wanted him to be proud and happy that was way more than important than than a trophy he was going to build one of the best race teams that this sport would ever see imagine getting uh getting a belt from dale earnhardt in some of the toughest moments you're just like i want to disappear if that never happened i'd probably race way on into my late 40s 2015 heads well how'd this happen between you two you know every team needs that sort of clown right that class clown have you ever gotten that like mental to where you're like i'm gonna wreck this car there was one and this is one i don't tell welcome to another episode of busting with the boys i am your host will compton your uh the co-host taylor lawan my co-host i apologize he is a training camp we have a special this is th this pod is in my opinion on the belt mount bus more we have dale earnhardt jr flew to nashville on a private jet crazy flex deya flew in landed about 3 p.m drove over got here about four wrecked a pod with us for about two how long how long's the pod blast over two hours and let me tell you something guys you guys are gonna want to pull up a lawn chair because essentially what we're doing in this episode is we're sitting around a bonfire or a little campfire and dale jr is just telling us story after story after story if you're not big in the nascar culture the nascar community this is going to be an incredible episode if you're big in nascar culture and you know everything there is to know about dale earnhardt jr there are questions and stories in here that i i believe you have not heard our boy zach patton general patton he was in the back has listened to everything known to man about dale earnhardt jr and had a couple very detailed insightful questions that of course dale dove in on but this pod dude when we got the bus and we knew it was a dealer we knew it was dale earnhardt eight bus clearly you want the joe rogans of the world on but dale earnhardt jr was on that short list 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went and saw willie nelson like that's one regret yeah yeah he's like i'm not going to miss the opportunity to crack open a beer with dale earnhardt jr no question i'd have a little drink yeah first question how does it feel to be a legend dale how does it feel to be late yeah oh um i've never thought of myself as a legend i um i was the son of a legend now i do know that um it uh it was kind of amazing to grow up in that house and and see all the things that he was doing and all the people that pulled for him and cheered for him and going to races and and going to victory lane and being this kid that just had all access you know you could just go through any gate through any part of the track you wanted to go to and i ran around those tracks like they were a playground and uh let's go watch the cars racing one and two for a while let's go down to turn three and four and watch them let's go into the garage here and look at the car that just wrecked yeah and you could just do it all go up in the suite let's eat the food you know and then when dad wins we go to victor lane yeah um so it was pretty awesome and uh i just always wanted to uh i wanted to race but i didn't know how i didn't know like there's no like college level there's no high school racing you know and so i'm like well how the hell do i race like i'm 15 13 14 years old i don't know how to how to start what do i do um um and one day me and my brother i was probably 14 or 15 15 years old me and my brother carrie he's um older than me uh we're we're hanging out around this picnic table in my dad's shop he had a picnic table and uh where all the gossip went home and he threw down this newspaper and it was a charlotte observer sports uh page and they had this picture of this guy with this street stock car and my dad said you always ought to read this article and it was about a new series they were starting at a tracking uh called concord murder speedway about 30 minutes up the road all we had to do was go get a street a car out of the junkyard and put a roll cage in it and we could race and so safety first yeah yeah well that's that roll cage man you're solid it's i mean all these years i'm thinking like i couldn't crack the code it was this complicated impossible thing and dad just said right there's answer right do do that yeah you know why do you think it was like cracking the code if you like you say you're the son of a legend and i like obviously what do you can say whatever you want about yourself you're obviously a very humble guy what you've done for the sport also the earnhardt family is and that's very cool and you're very humble guy but like what did it why did it seem so difficult for you to get in it knowing that your dad was who he was yes you were one of those kids that was like i can get in there because i'm you know my dad or like why isn't he showing me where some of these races are he obviously knows or something it sounds yeah he just puts a paper down he's like yeah let's just do that that looks like you can do this dad dad would always say i know he would just say like i wasn't talking i wasn't always like in his uh i wasn't always going hey what do i do how you know i was just i wasn't i wasn't with it yeah you know i was just going to school and trying to get c's and going home and doing whatever my friends were doing and i loved racing but i didn't maybe show it as much as he wanted me to and he would always say um you need to show some initiative and he used initiative all like that was the word yeah you need to be determined to show some initiative you know showing no initiative yeah and uh i'm like what does that mean when i'm what am i when how do i show you initiative right what does that even mean to you and he's like uh if when i was your age i was in i was in a shop sweeping the floor i was cleaning tools up putting them back in toolbox classic dead i'm like yeah damn that sucks that sounds sucky it don't sound fun that's a long ways from driving yeah there's driving's up here sweeping the floor is like way down no question and i got to go all the way through that proc what all the things that have to happen before i finally get to drive you know it just seemed like it was so far away and he was less than uh impressed you know with my initiative and my uh my passion for it right i wasn't outwardly expressing that to him and he didn't think that i really was even into it and he's like well i'm not wasting my time unless you start showing me that you're into it and he made it sound like but you got to do all this other stuff before you ever get to drive and i'm like wow i'm never going to get it never going to get there just he just made it seem like it was a hard it was impossible thing sounds like a mr miyagi type of thing that's why i was just taking the wax on myself why do i gotta clean these doors finally you're bitching and complaining yeah show me wax on wax off and start doing it seems like one of those like classic toughness dads that were kind of like hard to please like there was always that tough love with the yeah with the son and the dad yeah he was uh he was pretty tough um and [Music] um his that he you know his nickname at the racetrack was the intimidator um and he was absolutely terrifying you know at home and i mean i remember [Music] uh i said i dropped i said either i said the word or i dropped an f-bomb at my buddy's house i thought it was just me and him and i'm playing i'm playing on this he had this wicked little video game machine like before nintendo right and uh i was playing this little football game on it and something happened i said i said or f-bomb or something and his dad happened to be walking in the front door and he looked at me and he goes you need to get home and i was like yes sir and so i went home and a couple hours later dad comes pulling in and uh this this uh my buddy up the road that um his dad and my dad were great friends too he had told dad what all went down dad comes walking in the bedroom already pulling the belt off not even and i'm looking at the door and he's getting he's had the way the room is laid out the way the room's laid out he's kind of got there's a point to where on his way to me i can get to the door and which is only going to make it so much worse i got i got to the door and out the front out down the hall and out the front door across the front yard across the street and out into this hayfield and and over this erosion ditch and dove in the ditch and just laid there for like six hours [Laughter] and i'm like he's he come out the front door and he's looking around he goes back inside and i'm like man i ain't getting a whooping today yeah tomorrow not today yeah and uh because i mean you know he he was that kind of dad you know he that built he he didn't i got a few weapons not many but when that belt come off you know it was on he was so upset yeah so what happened when you got back home nothing no whooping like yeah and i don't i think i don't think i ever got one after that you know but i you know there was no uh he i remember the whoopings yeah right there weren't many but the ones i got i remember them and i know exactly what i did wrong i never forget that stuff right yeah and uh imagine getting uh getting a belt from dale earnhardt yeah that's that's awesome so when you went back in the house what was his was like hey how's it going have some supper let's sit down let's talk about was it was there a lesson or what's the deal he we he was a he was um we had a conversation about the word i used and and how do i how how i need to behave and and that uh i better not make that mistake again right yes sir yes sir intimidator any kids listening all you gotta do run out the front door and lay in a ditch for six hours let your old man cool off and it's gonna be i got a story like that but it still ended up at the end it's yeah like hours after he was waiting for me like all right well we're gonna do this you just gotta yeah i don't know why but i hold i hold some guilt for making that escape but i had i just had to do it why do you think you hold guilt from it i don't know why i feel um like i didn't get what i deserved kind of thing i don't know what like i skipped out on a on a on a deserved punishment you know and i never and i think that's why i remember that story is because i i feel like you know but you know it is what it is i didn't want it yeah i didn't want it no question it seems like you got exactly like you learned a huge lesson yeah the first story you told this bus right figure that out right yeah it didn't take any comments for you to get in your head to that that specific story i was listening to um the joe rogenpod this was probably like a couple years ago oh yeah you're talking about like a a bucket of story there's like a bucket of something yeah yeah you like yeah i was um so talking to you know when i'm talking when i'm talking about uh not showing my dad initiative so you know to to be clear like around 1980 around 1997 98 i um i think that i started to do the things that he hoped i would do in terms of making him proud right every parent every parent wants their kid to rise to the occasion excel and whatever it is they love right and i wasn't doing none of that and i was a c student i i hate cutting you off but what were you doing at the time like if you were so into racing were you just kind of hanging out with your buddies and doing whatever yeah me and my buddies walked around the neighborhoods shooting birds with bb guns and being idiots right and uh i played video games and didn't want you know i i did want to go hang out with him i did want to go to the shop but when i went to the shop i hung out my buddy down the street and we got in trouble right we went to the dairy queen or run we didn't i didn't mess with cars i wasn't sleeping the floor cleaning the tools yeah right and so now if he wanted me to go to the race i love that but when i got there i'd take off and go hang out my buddy and when he was gonna go eat some junk food or cheeseburger or you know and he'd never see me um i was having fun you know and he wanted me to be interested in the cars be interested in learning how to work on them get get seize any opportunity i took i could to work on them to learn about them and i was just not doing that and i was just a decent student in school really not even decent and uh [Music] i i wasn't an athlete i was i had no achievement none you know year on year on the year on of just not getting anywhere and i used to draw a lot and i used to draw race cars um a lot and uh i think that he and my stepmom theresa thought that man maybe he's into being an artist or something so they so this is kind of they i came home from school one day and i walked into my bedroom and there was a bunch of art stuff like papers and pens and all the things right if you were going to go to college right yeah they had all the stuff they bought it and i'm like what is this and they're like well we thought you might want to we think we would encourage you to go to uh this art school it's a local school and we think you'd really enjoy it you know we don't know what you're thinking about when you graduate from high school where you're going to go what you want to do but maybe maybe this is it i'm like hell no i don't want to be an artist what gave you all that opinion yeah like and i want to race man like where is what the hell right so what do you not get yeah and uh anyways um finally finally um you know i started to do well and actually you know starting to get some races where i i ran pretty good and then dad came around you know and he me and him started having conversations where he was less preachy uh he was less disappointed yeah and it was more like so what happened in the corner down there and you spun out did you realize what you needed to do there you know kind of those things where we're starting to tutor and talk and i'm learning and that's very cool that's been a really cool like for you to see that development yeah for sure i went down to myrtle beach and i was racing and i i would i would the same guy for like three weeks in a row i would get underneath him and the guy didn't care if he was if he had a car underneath him he was still coming down to go in the corner to the bottom and he cut you off over and over and over and that was the way he raced we didn't even get mad whole the rest of the people that raced there were like that's the way ed races just be ready you if you're going past him you better be up to his door yeah beside when you get in the corner or he's coming down and so every time he would i would get underneath him he'd come down and i'd spin out and i'm like i don't know what to do i cannot pass this guy yeah and i keep spinning out and my dad's like all right he's not going to my races dad and dad didn't go to my races but i would tell him about it and uh he's like next time he comes down as soon as y'all are about to have contact slam on the brakes and it plants the nose of your car and keep the wheel straight don't turn the wheel and it'll spin him out and damn it i mean literally i'm in the same situation the next weekend and i did that thing and it worked the way dad said it would work and so i mean from that moment on we started having you know the conversations i wanted to have you know with him my whole life instead of just hearing about how much trouble i was in or how i pissed him off about this or that the other yeah how i needed to do this better or how excited were you to tell him about that situation once he did it pretty excited yeah i bet man yeah that's pretty cool it was good it was good i had there was a lot of little moments like that in early in my career when when i wasn't just his son you know because when i when dad when i when i was around my dad it was at the shop or at the farm although that's kind of the same place and he always had his guys around his buddies the employees or whatever and they were always you know five o'clock everybody met at the picnic table and they drank beer then they're gonna go ride around the farm and look at deer and just talk and bs and i was just always the son right i was just always tagging along and they i wasn't in the conversations and i wasn't they weren't asking me any questions what i thought about this or what i thought about that i was just there keep your mouth shut don't talk to nobody unless somebody talks to you kind of thing but then it changed when i started racing better we did you understand that naturally or were you told that at one point that you were like hey you're not don't really talk unless you're just waiting it's kind of the way it was just hear your parent or your dad gives you yeah you know you know not to this thing this you know you didn't get too s you didn't get too full of yourself yeah right yo i hope you guys are 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like like winning like in your mind like you're thinking all right like i know i can be a good racer like and once i win i'll start getting like you know maybe the old man will start noticing and we'll start having that related was that something that was kind of like a motivator to earn that or like always like finally now i'm going to get a relationship with my old man because i'm winning i started well i started seeing the racing creating that relationship and so i wanted to do whatever it i could do to get more of that relationship from him right and so i started um you know we uh you know us winning and all those things were um not to be so cliche but i wanted him to be proud and happy that was way more than important than than a trophy or or anyone else patting my back right and so he was absolutely the main motivation uh for me early in my career you know when he passed that was gone uh i mean it was gone and uh i had to figure out another thing to motivate me right i had to find other things that that got me out of bed and got me fired up about racing but um for the longest time [Music] it was uh trying to impress him man i mean this guy's done everything he's won all these championships and he's hard to impress yeah and you're doing the very thing that he's the best at um you can't do really what can you do that he's never seen or thinks is cool right but everybody thinks like oh your dale's son like you know thinks he's awesome it's yeah so there's a there's a big feeling of like did you feel like you were in a shadow your whole life no i didn't i always read about that i always sing that written you know yeah and uh i went i felt i felt like other people saw me in his shadow but as if i was it was a hell of a place to be yeah it was crazy hell yes no lie like i understand and i'm i'm first to admit like being his son opened tons of doors wide open and made a lot of challenges for for an average guy trying to get in the sport much easier for me and um i already i had like a built-in fan base before i ever accomplished anything on the track uh with my last name people they were expectations but they also was support uh that that i hadn't earned at that point yeah so um the benefits yeah were way better than what negatives came with yeah absolutely i said no i mean when you go into i i've never this has never been a situation for me right my dad didn't play football or anything like that so i never had to like felt the need to overcome or impress him that way my dad played college ball for a second but i mean when you spend your whole life kind of feeling out like how can i get dad to notice how good i'm doing at these things i didn't know if once you got into nascar if it was like i don't know this this thought of like i want to do did you ever want to up him do you ever want to like beat him like i want to be my own person yeah i want to be my own shadow's a tough word to use because it sounds like i don't know if it sounds negative but i'm saying like once you're in that thing with him there was no like that's dad dad's got to win like you wanted to beat your dad we went to japan i had raced in the uh the xfinity series which is kind of uh like college level or it's it's like triple a and uh the next steps the cup series where dad's at i won the championship and so i got an invitation to race in an exhibition in japan with cup racers and dad and it would be the first time i'd ever be on the track with him and when i got to uh japan we flew all the way over there and i'm sitting on pit road and i'm waiting on dad because i want to follow him out on the track because i'd never seen him from that vantage point it was like um following i mean i i don't i don't like to compare him to other other icons but because uh i don't know how people feel about it but um it's like walking behind muhammad ali as he goes to the ring right he climbs in you know that's a hell of a vantage point that a lot of people would love to have um um being in a in the ring when ric flair climbed into it right yeah being able to see that moment when he climbs in with that robe on [Music] you know at a big event across some dusty roads right i mean just that moment of that energy so i know it was just practice but i'm i've never seen the black three car i've never seen the intimidator dylan and her i've never looked at my windshield and seen it right yeah raced against all these other guys and so i remember that he pulls out on the track and i followed him out there and i mean i'm doing nothing i'm like not in game mode i'm not in focus of what my car is doing i'm just like i can't believe that yeah it's him he's so cool that's so cool like that i'm like kind of smiling as he said man that's i couldn't believe he was in there steering that car couldn't believe it and then two days later like we practiced qualify two days later in the race we're running we're banging doors and and i'm pissing him off and yeah he's mad so you do a little extra for him too when he got to him so this is how it kind of worked out we i ran really good and he he ran like six to eight the whole day it's an exhibition and he's just kind of going through the motions he didn't have a great car and he knew it and he's just kind of like hey we're here to put on a show and um it is what it is right i'm like hell no man i'm here to win this is it yeah yeah wheel this car to victory right this is my chance um and so i'm racing my guts out way over my head but i got up toward the front and got up to second at one point and i bounced off the wall being too crazy and anyways late in the race we're both running around fifth and sixth and we had a caution and i had a chance everybody has a chance to come on put a set of tires and it's a little bit faster with new tires and um i said to my crew chief tony junior my cousin he's my cousin too we're about a year apart uh really close and uh i said hey man i'm gonna cut let's come get some tires let's see what happens we gonna we're gonna win like this let's put some tires on and see what happens so he's like all right we ain't got no tires but your dad's got to sit in his pit i'll see if i can get him so our pits are side by side yeah side by side it wouldn't be an issue if he gave it to you or not our pits are together right yeah we have teammates right we got the same sponsor it's this coke we had this coca-cola yeah reduction thing we went to the we did the photo shoots together we're like this team right yeah and so tony junior's on the pit box and he's like hey to richard childers whose dad's carl and he's like y'all gonna have pit and get them tires richard's like we ain't coming dale ain't coming he's just going to finish this out yeah well we we're going to pit you mind if we have those tires take them no problem okay here we come down pit road put them on dad don't know what all this is going on and i don't even know where the tires come from i just come down pit road and get tires and so yeah i go back on the track and i lined up like 10th and there's a real short five lap sprint to the end and it's you gotta go it's you can't lift you can't take you can't check up for something mm-hmm uh you gotta go what does check-up mean you can't lift if there's something happening in front of you and you check up off the gas or lift off the throttle you it'll take you another lap to build up your momentum and it's a lap that's gone and if with five that with five laps to go you just don't have time to to be waiting on things to happen in front of you you just try to make just go for it right so the so the green flag drops and i gotta i got things happening i'm passing a couple cars and i get to dad really quickly i get up beside him down the back straightaway and we go into turn three and four and i'm going by him i have the faster car the new tires he saw me coming he knows i'm quicker and we're coming up off of turn four and he's he's hanging on my right rear quarter panel as we're coming off the corner and traditionally in a situation like that you want the guy you want the guy that's in dad's position to just let you go you're faster you're coming through but if he stays there i can't really finish the corner i can't get all the gas down it's going to slow me down on the straightaway we're going to run down the next straightaway side beside when i could be trying to pass the next car it was going to hold me up and and so i squeezed him into the wall and and we hit and his nose slid up under my bumper and now he has me in a bad position and he he knows it and so he's picked my rear tires above the ground and he's steering my car like a forklift down the straightaway shaking back he could have just let you go he should have let me go it should have or could have he could have but he but he didn't yeah yeah he's like he's like he's like i'm like dude you you're like you only got an inch on me and you could just let me go and i could be on my way and we we banged and then he's got me lifted up off the ground and he's turned me sideways down the straightaway and my car's doing this to the flagstand and he lifted and let me go and he was mad right and so but i thought it was over i go on i passed another car two and finished like fifth or something and uh he's eight he's a couple spots back so the race is over and i'm like that was badass and i beat my dad yeah yeah 100 yeah 100 and he knows that this just happened right and so it was really cold but i remember they had uh it was in the middle of the winter they had they had inside the track these little rented uh cubicles like trailers like you see on job sites and each driver or team had one and me and dad were sharing one i go into the one that we have it's cold as hell outside i go in there and i'm gonna change clothes and i sit down and i'm changing clothes and there's this big folding leg table in between in front of me and i'm sitting there and i'm pulling off my shoes and my taking my taking my uniform down and dad comes in and sits down and i just look at him and he isn't making eye contact with me and i know he's not he's mad he's bad i i look at him and he's bending over and pulling his shoe off and i go and so as soon as i look down he threw his shoe freaking hard as he could and it went right over my head as i leaned in down to get get one of my shoes off if i hadn't bent down it'd have hit me yeah it hit the ball behind me it was like pow yeah yeah and i looked back up and he was bending down to get the other shoe and somebody opens the door and says hey junior they need they need you out here for an interview and i'm like thanks i'm going yeah yeah out of there hey hey she's the front door back from childhood yeah we we never talked about it and you never talked about never talked about it really never talking sounds like your father really didn't say a whole lot you know he kind of just the intimidator this like was like 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just want to go fast get after it just how much do you hit do you love that movie or hate it sorry i like it you like it i got a story about that all right i love it yeah 100 sometimes you get guys on here taylor and i'll stop and look at each other me and will be talking hopefully the guy comes into it yeah like three word answers yeah you're like all right well this is going downhill fast but no sorry keep going i don't want to kill your body because i'm loving every second of this we're at bristol and we i qualified in front of dad and uh beside me is a friend named elliot sadler and he's on the inside and i'm on the outside and dad's behind us well me and elliot are talking just about to get in our cars dad walks up and goes all right boys wrestle's tough long race take it easy now don't tear stuff up you can wreck your stuff early long day we're like yes sir i mean i still think in my head i hear you but i am totally gonna ruin this yeah yeah you knew you were conscious of the chaos i was about to go down and so all right first lap we're going down into turn green flag comes out we run about three or four corners and we go into turn one and dad runs in the back of elliot saller elliot saller gets loose and oh like sideways over corrects of the race track right into me wow man elliot goes smashing into the wall race is over for me that's that's it fault right so so you got the boot when he's coming back in come down well they dragged me and elliot's cars into the garage and my team goes to work on my car we end up refer fixing it and we fix it and repair it and we go back out we're like 100 laps down like all these laps have passed right as we're working on our stuff first time dad comes by i turn he comes by me and i just turn the wheel to the right and just lay like laid my right front tire all down the side of his car he's going by and he's sent a message what are people thinking when they're watching this look at these two spatting family members getting after he sends the smashers like you better tell him to cut it out he's going to find another one so can you talk to other drivers but he sent his he sent a message via his team to my team to tell me to stop it to give him a telephone yeah they can tell you whatever they want yeah and so but we had we had other moments kind of like that but um i mean you know when the funny thing about it being in a race car is that you know the race car turns into for a lack of a better word a bit of a weapon sometimes you get so angry and you're like i can take this car and run into your car right that sound i'm gonna do that boom you know before you have a thought to you know before you have a moment to think twice about it and calm the hell down sometimes you do that on the racetrack and even if it's your own dad you know you're like you did this to me yeah yeah hunter laughs down where was he in the race when he's like running top ten cruising alongside he's about to ruin his race he's above the room he's out there cruising around like hey man sorry about i've already forgot yeah yeah that's hilarious aside from your dad have you ever gotten that like mental to where you're like i'm gonna i'm gonna wreck this car another guy recognized right like a different guy a different person yes has it happened i um yeah accomplish recognition that's what we need yeah this is a rivalry is this a known rivalry that you're talking about yeah so kyle and me were really big rivals at this particular point in my career and he uh what point is this 2008. and you guys are you guys are big rivals is it a dislike rivalry or is it like hey when we're on the track oh we don't like them don't like them zach was probably back there like you're an idiot taylor like you have no idea he's actually the biggest monster so he's he was he was like we he was just we just didn't like each other and so this was there an incident no so there's at the bar or from your side of the story yeah so first off let me tell you the ricky body story so yeah i'd love to hear it all right ricky bobby and talladega ice comes out or it's coming out right and we're gonna get to see it before it goes to theaters and uh we're in sonoma racing in california and they're like yeah you're gonna go over to um what's the name of that place um george lucas's ranch mm-hmm oh star wars skywalker ranch holy you're going to go over to be comfortable i know you're going to go to the skywalker and watch it and we're like damn all right that's cool what does that mean so we drive in and it's beautiful and this is all the guys are going there my team members okay yeah because you're were you in the movie you i had a little tiny thing yeah a little thing you asked for an autograph right how was that that or we just weren't going to get any better yeah we're getting progressively worse okay let's just shut it down so i you know we're driving into this place and and and they're like yeah he makes they they make movies here there's a bunch of moves so we're walking in the building and there's all these movie theaters and there's all these little rooms of for editing and and they basically sit there and watch the they work on these films from the point of view of the of the movie goer right and so they're editing and creating these films in that atmosphere of a movie theater and uh which was really cool was a big complex you you would you would you might imagine they're sitting in front of a computer in an office right editing this film but at some point they actually get into a movie theater and complete the editing process or whatever and do all the audio and all that so anyways it's really neat and we sit down in this one theater and there's probably about 30 seats in it and probably about 10 rows of seats and uh maybe there's more than three seats but it just was a small miniature sort of size theater room and we sit down and i i choose a seat sort of in in the middle right uh there's the front of the feeder guy you have a back of the theater guy middle oh middle i think i don't really know okay oh if up there's better back there's better i'm just gonna go right in the center yeah and there's only about 12 of us we're not we're we're only about 10 of the seats in this thing right so a lot of empty seats and right and right and we're sitting there waiting you know and right before the thing comes on george lucas comes and sits down behind me and what i'm chilling all right i'm being chill yeah dude i was once shocked to see him right and and had never thought i'd ever meet the guy but what is he doing watching talladega nights right yeah exactly why does he care to watch this movie there's millions of movies he could be watching yeah yeah but uh and i'm watching i'm kind of sad-eyed and i'm like and he's chuckling at that that's pretty yeah i think that's funny too you know the same sense of humor we might be best friends after this we could talk about the movie and maybe kindle something he's not even like listening to the movie he's just listening waiting for him to laugh and you laugh a little harder so he knows i'm like damn he thinks this is good i think he's good too i mean i like it but damn he likes it it was weird man but it was uh and he uh you know after everything was done you know he was very nice to everybody hey yes thank you for coming mm-hmm yeah it's always cool so it sounds like that's an awesome it was insane that is so bad did you get to see like a like a yoda like figure none of that was happening there was no this hasn't skywalker i was trying to help you be aware of that i don't know if you had a thing no i know how you are but your star wars yeah i've never really seen star wars but i'm sharing the enthusiasm with both of you right now audience i'm not a massive fan but i know him yeah he is no i know yeah absolutely being a filmmaker has got to be one of the most difficult jobs to do because you're literally praying that people like it and if it's like your hopes and dreams are on other people's opinions sure god that's got to be a tough life and when you're like making a certain decision that you might think is cool for sand you might have just one opinion next to you like say you say i'm making something i'm like and i think it's dope and i'm like hey what are you thinking this you're like yeah but maybe this and your one opinion is like oh man maybe maybe everyone feels that way yeah and then you change you're like well i was gonna do this everybody's like oh you should have kept it that way you're like you are you quentin tarantino fan yeah uh yeah well he just did it he just did a pod with rogue and they were talking about a specific true romance yeah yeah true not true romance reservoir dogs yeah the torture scene in that have you seen that movie yes and then the scene where he cuts the guy's ear off and stuff like that and quentin was like we this is happening and a couple guys were like hey listen if you put this scene in the movie you put your margin for the people that are going to come watch it right because it was like after like the 80s or night like some decade yeah like the 80s where everybody's the whole thing yeah big fan charles like who is this talking i'm like it's queen tarantino yeah this is my favorite director yeah by far sorry sorry dave made it a little yeah it was a good movie yeah good movie he makes a lot of difference what story were we headed to before the uh ricky bobby oh kyle busch the rivalry yeah you were trying to kill him told story um this is a talk a lot i tell this one a lot but oh you oh you do it you know i learned that you got a new audience every time you're in front of the mic so yeah it's never the same so have you ever told your side of the story about why you hate him why you hated him yeah so i don't know maybe we'll tell a little different do we still hate him now no oh you don't hate him no he's great all right oh well i'll hear the story why did you guys go to dinner no okay she ain't great well he's fine that's better there we go now we're getting somewhere now we're getting somewhere yeah yeah so anyways he's we're racing against each other he races for rick hendrick and i race for for dad and [Music] um he was a rookie and he did something at a racetrack and and uh i said to the media the kyle made a mistake and he'll figure it out and he took offense to that he's a rookie how how you've been in the game for eight years now maybe not that long right this is before that okay but i've been in doing it for six years maybe okay and uh but anyway somebody asked me a question i just said you know you made a mistake and and he'll figure that out what was that what was the mistake it's like he calls the crash or something or a couple guys ended up crashing because of something he did i can't read it yeah i don't even remember it's not a big deal and we went to uh that said our that set us on that path all right he took offense to that and we weren't uh we weren't friendly from that point on but we didn't say anything about each other he wasn't dead he wasn't digging me in the meteor or nothing and so [Music] there was a race at texas his car crashed and there was a miscommunication between him and his team he left the track and the car got repaired and they didn't have where's he at they need to put him back in it to go finish a few laps and they saw me in the garage and said hey will you get in this car we got like eight laps to go we just need you to go out there and run them the rest of this race and i'm like absolutely i'm diving in this thing head first because i i want to feel what kind of engine they build it's like man you never get a chance to drive another team's car to feel the things about what what kind of car do you drive he drove rick hendricks car and they build their own motors and we build our motors and i just you know they're very good they win a lot and i'm like yeah damn right i'll drive it and so i do i drove it a few laps and when it was done they were like hey man appreciate doing this solid and uh we'll see you and that was it nothing it was not i didn't it wasn't as it wasn't inspire it wasn't to spike kyle but he was mad again right i drove his car right it's like i took his took his girlfriend out and yeah know and so listen that's a big reference dude he wrote that on a nice day had a seafood dinner never called her back that type of time it was a he he i'm an old school guy where relief driving is a cool thing yeah and and it happened all the time in the 70s and i'm totally throwback and nostalgic and that's freaking yeah so i've never been asked to relief drive for somebody i'm right i'll do it and uh and he wasn't he ain't from that school and so he was like nobody drives my car but me right and so [Music] anyways him and his him and rick are having some difficulties on his contracts and whether he wants whether he's going to continue to drive there or not and they decide that that's not happening so they've made a choice and now rick's going out to find a driver and he offered me a deal and i took it and so kyle viewed that as me taking his job and kyle then was now cast into free agency and had to take whatever the best option so he didn't have a car yet he they decided not to do a contract went to you got the contract and he's in free agency and he gets hired by joe gibbs this works out tremendously for him in the short run and the long run but he was upset at the time and was like feeling rejected by rick kendrick uh rick's this ultra freaking respected guy in the sport and if you get rejected by him there must be something wrong with you right and he carried that and so when we started racing the next year and i'm in his car and he's in the joe gibbs car it was me against him that's the way he saw it and that's the way i kind of saw it we're racing at richmond we're running first and second in the points the whole year pretty much he's a great storyline he's winning quite a bit he's winning a hell of a lot of races too all right things are going well for him i only won at michigan i had a great year but i only won the one race i'm leading at um richmond and it's like four or five laps to go and i'm running the top of the racetrack i run the high side kyle's right behind me and i'm gonna give him the bottom of the track he's got more than enough room and we go down into turn three and he gets loose and collects me we i wreck into the wall he goes up the track and he loses the lead another guy ends up winning the race and i'm in my mind i'm like i understand he got loose it wasn't like he just went in there and turned right and hit me what is going loose means loose means like when he turned down in the corner his rear tire started sliding like if he was in water or ice it was not it was an accident right it was like he went and he went into the corner hoping that his car was gonna stick and he was gonna pass me yeah right but his car didn't stick and it's the back slid and he had to turn right to correct it which drove him up the track into my door and it turned me around when we hit and but it also cost him the race too and so he's a good enough race car driver to know how to intentionally if he was trying to intentionally crash me he's good enough to just go in there and move me out of the way and go on and win so i know that it just you know i know just watching by how all that went down that he didn't really intend for that to happen but he was absolutely unapologetic and um of course i mean he he wasn't gonna say i'm sorry i was wrong i shouldn't have done that was bad for for me and and and and i don't ever wanna he just let it he didn't say anything right and kind of played it up a little bit and now i got it i got the media coming to me going damn you just got wrecked by that guy he's he's your arc rival he's your enemy you and him now the media is in love with this right media loves it every week right they're going to him hey dale said this what do you think well hell with him no hey kyle just said 10 minutes ago to hell with you what do you think right and they just going at us every week right and we have these obligations to the media we had the obligation you had to be there and so they knew they were going to get a sound bite and kyle was not great at biting his tongue and so if he says something now i got to say something right is there a is there a fine system put in place with nascar like you so you can say whatever you want yeah like ricky bobby did listen that's the staple of this whole podcast we're really hanging our hat on this we go back to richmond later in the year um in the back end of the summer and uh the it's early it's midway through the race it's not near the end it's not in the same scenario but kyle's leading and i'm running second and i went into turn one and tried my hardest to put him in the wall and uh he's i ran into the back of him and he slid up the track and backed into the fence and spun down the track he ended up being able to finish the race um but that was maybe the one i can i can say i probably intentionally wrecked somebody less i can't count them on two hands i may be counting on one hand right um in 20 years of racing and that was that was one of them and i was i was in the city you won that race no i don't know i don't think so but um yeah probably not everybody's back they're gone i'll be honest man i was in a situation where like if i didn't wreck him i felt like everybody was gonna go you're soft right if you don't you know here you are here's your here's your opportunity man y'all media's painted y'all into a corner as as the arc rivals and and he says dirty about you and you say about him and now here's your chance man you're gonna you're gonna talk to talk and walk the walk and all that so i was like i don't i can't not man that media put you in a little bit of a deal huh they did but 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pretty frustrating year and uh it's practice i'm going down the back straightaway and i'm slowing down and coming into the pits and i get to the apron and kyle's going kyle's behind me and he's coming by and i guess i was too close to the racetrack he didn't like where i was at and it was appeating and it was bothering him and his focus and his you're too close to the racetrack i moved you're in the pits no i slowed down and got on the apron to come into the pits and he's coming by me on the racetrack and uh and he he didn't like something about sounds petty what i did yeah he flipped me the bird in the car yeah out the window through the net yeah he sticks it out in front of the net like this he's like hey did he get the full handout are they big enough to put your hand out or you you saw enough of a knuckle to know that's the thing oh yeah i knew what it was all right and i pull into the garage and um i just it just sent me over the edge so oh yeah practice end pissed off deal i can't wait it's so calm like you think this nothing's going to bother this guy correctly you pull the belt out you feel about that he's out of here so the practice ends and i'm debriefing my team and and i'm like i'm frustrated with my car it's just been a bad season and then that happened and i went i'm gonna go to my hauler and i see his holler and i'm like i'm going in there oh and if he's in there i'm gonna confront him about it and i walked up the i walked up into this hauler which is an 18-wheeler trailer and you walk to the very front of the trailer and there's a lounge and in the lounge is kyle and his crew chief and i know his crew chief 2v1 and uh i said kyle if you ever flip me off again i'm gonna rip your head off and i'm gonna kill you i'm gonna beat the hell out of you and i just said everything i could just say right moment and he's sitting there going you told me you're going to kill him yeah we had to talk about that the other day we really did because when connor's telling you know what's his name i'm going to kill you taylor says he gets it i just don't think that's that big of a deal because it's like i don't know it could happen but you're not going to kill him right you're going to knock him out hopefully i don't know he's talking about the car being a weapon at some point you get out there he's not in the race but no question how you emotions get the best of you dude so you tell this guy i'm going to tell him everything i wanted to tell him and i i'd never um i'd never do that right that's that a character for me but it was to a point to where i was done i needed to tell this guy to knock it off right the words in the media the bird the this the disrespect is just gotta come to an end you're gonna respect me and you're not gonna you're not gonna look at me the way you're looking at me and perceive me the way you perceive me you're gonna you're gonna respect me when we're here together to racetrack and so i said what i had to say and i turned around and walked out he didn't say a word yeah that must have did he change your ass a little bit that he didn't say nothing back i didn't want him to respond to me you just said it and turn around and he walked out i didn't want him to respond to me and his uh his crew chief didn't take didn't move and like it it was what i wanted it to be yeah you know i feel like that if i i didn't want anything to happen to where it would have gotten physical it probably would have easily gotten that way it's good that it nothing happened to where it became physical it's kyle a big dude he's tall he's tall but you don't hate tony he's not no okay i mean yeah you're okay he's taller than three inches he's taller than me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 20 inches five ten and a half i love that i love the half dude if you're under six foot yeah you're looking back on it he stood up and said all right i'll kill you right now okay i'll kill you you might have had to found out who was going to be hell yeah i like that so you think he could have taken him i don't know is tony at your side are you back there that story where you got in his car you would have sit like crooked yeah he was pretty skinny yeah i don't know we're rolling him i'm not i don't have enough dude i don't know what my ability is yeah that's understandable yeah i mean no one can really fight unless you're a fighter right like all of us can sit here and talk about whatever but the other day we fight for we might be wrong there's [Laughter] i don't know once i started getting kids i was like i don't know who am i fighting dude yeah i need my daughters to see me fighting somebody you know practice no problem yeah it felt good though i was glad to do it and it got it off your chest i think it changed our relationship so you know years later he's he texted me one day and he's like hey we're at a racetrack somewhere he's like hey i want to talk to you uh about uh some race he owns a team and on the team he's like i want to compare some things that y'all are doing without what i'm doing on my business side how far after probably four years after the richmond incident okay four or five years four or five years so you guys lines of communication after that and the media kind of stopped you guys obviously didn't talk so he just had your number you guys are both kind of transitioning in the business world and you guys are kind of like you know respected at this point and then we started communicating and then i had him on my podcast and we talked about richmond oh we never talked about it and i said hey come on my podcast and let's talk about richmond let's talk about that day what you went through what i thought what you thought what what i you know let's be honest and be clear and everything beyond that all the dirt we threw on each other in the media yeah and um and we talked it out and he told me and you know you can get him in here and talk about that but he was like man when i came into the sport and y'all were we were d-e-i dylan hart incorporated the team i was driving for the time we were courting him and rick hendrick was courting him he ended up going with rick right so we were i would see him in the garage when he was like 18 and go hey man you coming to drive for us yeah you're he's sought after you know young kid with a lot of talent i'm like hey you coming with us yeah and he's like i don't know we'll find out yeah and so uh he was playing dumb yeah he's like do you guys have agents in the game are you guys kind of really wrong i think it's probably his parents more than anything right really i imagine i don't know i doubt he had an agent yeah but he's like man back then i wanted to be your friend like you were you were the bud guy you were the you were the fun guy he was like i wanted to be in your group right and i'm like damn i didn't know that he's like yeah i i hated how things got took off with us and how we went down this other path he's like because when when i was coming in the sport i was thinking man it's gonna be cool if i can hang out and drink beer with me yeah i was the beer guy yeah we're having beers now yeah how cool is that having beers no having babies how cool is it like to have somebody when you're in the game long enough to look up to you we talk about that sometimes is like when you play something long enough you have kids that are growing up and going into your world that are fans of you they're like hey you're so-and-so and you're just like yeah listen i'm just what are you talking about you know what i'm saying that's i mean that was that's a cool feeling for us it's pretty cool you know i don't i don't not it wasn't that cool to hear that from my peers if any of those were to ever say that but that now that i'm done and i'm and these like 20 year olds are coming in the sport and i guess because i'm 46 and i feel like i'm getting old as hell that they even knew who i was yeah they're like man i used to be a big dale junior fan when i was five i'm like well that that makes me feel old but it's nice to know that you know i'm not aged out like these kids that are coming into the sport don't know who the hell i am right right yeah it's super cool yeah so we go back to the beginning of the podcast legend just let your game keep living you're returning they'll be i see you you're uh you're returning back to the racetrack well i do run one a year i run one race a year to scratch the itch and to smell the smells and hear the sounds so when i'm a broadcaster for nbc and i when you're up there in the booth all right if you're a player and you go into the broadcast booth it's you can tell the broadcast and the viewer everything that the players thinking right cause you played it you just played there you were just down there right right well the second the second year the third year the fourth year the fifth year that gets harder because you forget exactly you get you're turning into more of the broadcast you guys yeah you're not the player anymore right you're further from that and man i don't know if i know exactly what that guy's thinking right now i forget that energy i forget that sensation or that emotion i forget that pressure i forget that nervousness that fear that anxiety all those things right that you have in those moments right and so i get in the car once a year and run one race to be reminded of all those things uh so when i'm in the booth it's right there when i need to pull that file it's right there right right and i need to draw on that moment and go i was i know what that's like i know exactly what he's thinking it's all fresh that's awesome what if you win then that's badass yeah but if you win are you gonna sit there like you know let's get another run at this thing oh no i'm done man i you know i ran uh [Music] i raced for 20 years i had some head injury stuff some concussion stuff and i felt like um that i was going to the well too many times i felt like that i was taking some risks unnecessarily so i'm getting ready to get married and at the end of 2016 we have uh our first little girl shortly after that and this is like um i got this whole new life you know and maybe racing ain't important anymore and maybe you know i when i got hurt in 2016 i had i mean i had like i had recognizable symptoms you know just when most people get a concussion you guys know this right so when guys get concussions there's they're self-diagnosed right you don't i don't see it i don't see your concussion right right i had like these visual cues that you could see right i had balance issues and visuals that was bad i had i had a um uh issues speaking and and thinking you know pulling words out you know just trying to form normal sentences and not being able to think of a simple word that i use every day right yeah um i had these issues that were frightening man frightening and uh and i thought to myself like i don't want to ever put myself back there again uh and going to the racetrack and running every single week you're gonna crash you cannot run a whole year and never hit anything you're gonna hit stuff right and if i'm just hitting stuff all the time i'm never giving myself any chance to get beyond this and get past this and get away from it right and so uh yeah going back and running that one race is a risky decision i'm particular about where that race is at as far as the track and and what is what's the potential of a hard wreck there you know and uh it's it needs to be a track i'm i'm comfortable with yeah and so uh you know i and and i don't go out there and race over my head like i would if i was 25 or 28 like with reckless abandon right i go out there and measure the risks and i have a great time i get to experience it and for for the time being it checks all the boxes have you done like anything post racing that is like beneficial for brain stuff have you gone and looked at anything like iv therapy is different stuff like that no so i haven't um and the only reason i think is because i haven't had anything that's triggered me to have concern and so you know when i had the problems that i was having in 2016 i'd already been to pittsburgh to see mickey collins who's a guy that works with a lot of um is he the main guy for the steelers yeah he's this he's the steelers guy penguins guy but he also worked with other racers he's worked with a lot of people that i know but he's worked he's worked with um tons of football guys yeah i've worked with him before so i you know i he helped me in 2012 get through us i say small concussion but he helped me get through an issue that didn't last long and went away in a relatively short period of time and so he with that experience you know i thought you know oh man i got this under control well i got in trouble and and uh put myself in a bad situation in 2016 with a lot of crashes and a lot like getting sick after a lot of crashes i'd be well in about three or four days and think well you know i'm healed you know but i kept he had hit the wall three weeks later and then three weeks after that i hit something and and i kept layering all these concussions together and one day i started getting worse and worse and worse and didn't know what it was and why it was happening and i was just going down yeah i hadn't wrecked i was racing i hadn't wrecked in weeks and i'm so i didn't i was like what's happening in my what else what's happening to me i didn't wreck what is this right so finally i figured out that i needed to go see him and he uh we spent eight months fixing it wow yeah it was did you do anything that was like out of the norm of what the usual um no you know everybody's experience seems to be different in whether you my treatment in 2012 was much different than in 2016 because the the understanding of how to treat a concussion had changed so when 2012 happened they were like no tv no cell phones dark rooms sleep silence quiet nothing and in 2016 when i i was like man i do not want to go through that no rooms in dark rooms no cell phones no tv i don't want to do that right that is awful and so uh i was dreading it and when i got diagnosed he's like okay here's here's what you do um what triggers your um your symptoms and i'm like well going to the busy places the grocery store or i'd say you know if i went to a concert anywhere where there's where there's complex environments it freaks me out and he's like go do those and i'm like oh okay and uh he'll party i'll have a good time so yeah so that's dr everett here so there they pulled me out of the race car um and now i'm at a concert and my team my people my crew my my brand team and my my my race team they're like you know you can't drive a race car but you're you're off at a concert yeah you have you're trying to get over a concussion what are you doing you know and so i would take all the people that i could take to see mickey when i would go visit him so he could explain to them like hey this is what we're doing and he's in big trouble and so uh you know and it was helpful but uh it took a long time to get over that and um i uh you know so i think i retired probably about if that never happened if that never happened i'd probably race way on into my late 40s um and i and i think that if i hadn't got married and had kids even with that incident in 2016 i might still be racing today yeah because i wouldn't puts new things into perspective something different to live for so right so when i had only myself to live for i would probably put myself back in that same situation risk you know my doctor would tell me even after 2016 he's like you're fine you're no more you're at no more risk than the other guys out there and i'm like wait but i'm damaged right i've had this injury and it seems like i would be at risk to get it more so than the guy racing the car behind me he's like nope you're good you can go race he's like now you can get hurt but so can he yeah you're not gonna get it easier than him and i'm like okay so i without my wife and kids i probably would have just went right back to it right and i probably would have gotten sick again i probably would have got hurt again and who knows where that would have sent me right um but uh yeah when i got married and had kids i was like uh i don't wanna i don't want to i don't wanna be at home sick can't can't walk can't stand can't talk can't see and have a one-year-old kid that i can't enjoy right her or milestones i can't be in the moment when you're in a concussion i'm not telling you guys anything y'all haven't heard or know when you have a concussion you're in a fog you're not in the moment you're not in the room you could be you could have the most important people in your life in a conversation around a table and you couldn't be a part of it and start doing the look off in the zone yeah it was awful you worry about cte um i think you know i do uh it's a i don't worry about it for me i can't live the rest of my life thinking uh man what's gonna happen to me um i think that some people do live their life like that worrying about their future but i'm just gonna today's good let's see how tomorrow is tomorrow's good you know i'm just doing doing it day to day um you've also dealt with a lot of trauma also like just like that plane crash we talked about in the last podcast and wills like he's flying in it's like i bet every time you get on a plane it's there's got to be a little something in there yeah yeah it starts taking off and just start roaring a little bit you're like oh yeah let's get this thing off the ground yeah grab the armrest a little bit if you live your entire life thinking of the next flight i take you can't can't do that i can't not fly yeah i've got to get back on a plane because there'll be there'll be things i need to go do that are important right right like busting with the boys it's very important this is a very important thing you're very welcome for me i thought through the anxieties to be here yeah transitioning into that you're a big uh pioneer in bringing nascar to nashville man i'm working hard at it um seems like everyone's really excited about it yeah yeah everyone that even people that aren't others just the casual fan are excited i think people just want as many sports as possible here and now absolutely i think so i always say that you know the the rising tides lifts all the ships up and and we have uh indycar coming to run the street course at nashville we got nascar at the nashville super speedway there's a lot of there's a push to nashville to the fairgrounds in town it's short track and so um and nashville man has changed so much in the last 10 years when nascar left in 1984 it was a different town and what it is today it's where we want to be right we celebrate our champion here we've had our banquet here for the last uh two or three years and i you know to me that's a very critical important day for our sport it's where we celebrate everything that happened that year right they could be more important than the day you crown and recognize and celebrate your champion and all the winners and all the accomplishments so that we do that here um is great for us it's a hell of a fit it's perfect and you know everybody we loved vegas everybody partied hard had a blast but yeah damn i mean nashville's as good or better than vegas it hasn't it has a similar vibe but off also uh you know it's nashville all another thing too that and i want to say is uh that music component like nascar and music particularly country music but nascar and music is a good marriage and we can utilize that in ways we never were able to before yeah we would have you know the banquet is a big giant you know theater um you know banquet banquet table event right there's 500 people there and we were it's like pulling teeth to get anybody really bad ass to come play you know and get and really raise our level right yeah you know get people going damn do you see who nascar had at the banquet plan yeah you know it was good but now the you know you got so much to choose from here in nashville yeah they're damn right so we had the banquet last year man i was like i was telling all the drivers i was calling them up i was like hey all your country music friends invite them to the banquet have them sitting at your table even if they don't play have them there so when the camera goes across the room they see you know this famous musician and this race card right right our whole it brings the brand up yes absolutely yeah it brings the brand up have is there um is there a difficulty with the brand of nascar in the last like 10 years like keeping everything going in a trajectory you guys wanted to go in well the uh you know we had an amazing run in the 2000s things were crazy we were i mean souvenir business was multi millions of dollars all the drivers were making money in souvenirs alone driver salaries were going through the roof sponsorships were going through the roof in 2008 i think we had over 4 million not 40 million dollars on one car uh really yeah rick hendrick was probably near 200 million dollars for for his team sponsorship across four cars yeah i mean it was some bonkers you know the numbers aren't like that anymore um the you know the the ticket sales aren't like that anymore they've started you know for over a decade we've been pulling seats from race tracks you know if you can't sell these grands these seats they gotta go um and so when you know instead of having 180 000 people at a race you're you're now thrilled now thrilled you're happy yeah you have 60 to 100 you know 80 000. really yeah it's that much of a of a difference yeah for some people why do you think that is is it just everybody's nascar's viewed in a different way i don't think so i think it's the way people consume content these days i think that's you know there were a million different variables that made it more difficult for fans to choose to go to a race uh hotel rooms uh the cost to do it all right right um the ticket prices went up uh hotel gouging um you know everything got more expensive and it became instead of being a fan instead of being able to go to like multiple races a year came down to like which one did we go to right because we can only afford to do this once a year yeah yeah yeah and so that got to be more difficult and i think that we might have lost sight too of how to entertain someone for for the how to entertain somebody for that weekend so if you're i i want you to come to a race i mean it's great if you walk up and buy a ticket and come to the grandstands but i want you to drive an rv and i want you to rent a spot and i want you to be there friday saturday and sunday and i want you eating concessions all three days and you know pumping money into the economy around the racetrack and that got harder to do you know that got harder to get people to come commit that that and for you to come do that you need more than just uh the race on sunday right you need a concert on friday night and saturday night you need some racing on saturdays some of you need multiple forms of motorsport at the same venue yeah like a triple a league or something like that boys play on saturday and that that's going to bring you in so it's uh i think we're getting back to that i think we're get our our promoters our our promoters are promoting and and getting creative and i i for a lack of a better way to describe it they got to bring in that sort of carnival atmosphere and that you know that entertainment atmosphere they got to have you know they got to have other things for people to do than to drive there and sit around for two days to wait on this three-hour race to happen on sunday right sounds like nashville is the best place for that to happen yeah that's gonna be a big city bro it'd be awesome i think however many people you can get is gonna go especially that first one but if you guys do it right we read the concerts and all that we ran out at the fair we ran out at the speedway and everybody the industry meaning crew members all the people that work in nascar drivers wives all the industry people and the fans all got entertained for a week you know i mean we came into town we went to broadway we had they had parties and and out at the track they had parties uh the sponsors were holding parties in town big events everybody was getting ticket it was great and we had that stuff hasn't been happening for years we just thought oh we just the race is all we need i don't need to spend 10 grand for a concert act here saturday night you know so we're kind of getting back to being more of an entertainment business and the race is the you know the the main course but you got to have everything else appetizer and all those things yeah pretty savvy in the business world i was i was transitioning from like nascar juggling the business and becoming the businessman that you're obviously being like being a part owner in the nascar speedway circuit whatever it's called i apologize no it's good i've been uh well the nascar the nascar talladega race yeah yeah i think um i used to tell people like when i first started racing and it was just i was just making a paycheck from racing alone and uh i used to tell people that i wanted to find my form and grill so george foreman had the grill and in anyone in any athlete's eyes or any race car driver's eyes you know you want to you want to be george foreman right you want to have them you want to have this thing beyond your your racing uh that's gonna you know be uh be a big deal be a national thing right whatever that is trust me just love the drawer for me george foreman grill i did yeah i thought it was great and he sell the hell out of things and whatever your george foreman grill is right it can be anything and so i was just always like i'm going to find something and it's going to land i'm going to land something i'm going to make i'm it's whether i create it or it comes and falls in my lap yeah and uh so you try you know not everything some things are silly but you try about everything that sounds good right and some stuff doesn't work i've done candy bars uh and different things that just don't work not enough tater chocolate what's the deal in the candy bars it didn't work out i mean getting some shelves in my hands getting shelf space in a damn store i don't care what kind of food product you are is competitive yeah like you just don't walk in and put your potato chips on the tater chip aisle potato chips you know what i mean in all the stores across america yeah it's competitive and uh you you got to earn that and so or people be with the right people but a lot of our things didn't work but a lot of them did um and the secret to being successful at anything is people and so like having some like i don't know how to run a restaurant right but i own a restaurant that's in uh we have uh whiskey river which is in airports we got one in charlotte raleigh and fort lauderdale and uh we kill it but i don't make the choices because i would run it in the ground right right gotta know your strengths i got some people that i partner with that absolutely know how to run a restaurant and that's why it wins you know and so um you know when you you just can't go in there thinking man i know how to do this i know how to run a nightclub i'm gonna be the best nightclub yeah you know you're never gonna make it if you're not a nightclub owner yeah if you weren't born into you just think you can do everything right you have to put the right people in the right place yeah george didn't build that group he did not jubilee there's no way he built that grill you think george was in the basement maybe things together you don't know george dude i do actually know george nah i don't know i just stay quiet let everybody yeah yeah um so this i actually want to talk about what is how'd this happen between you two let's like what what because i've heard i've heard a gentle story about agents wills he you know he flexed on me a couple of times it's tough sometimes throwing around dale and i being friends yeah there's no ques literally i feel like the third wheel here but i do want to know between the two how did this whole thing work out it's a natural thing he can uh he can he can you know chime in whatever how i remember it we were on our run that's when we won the division back in 2015 and that was the year i uh started taking over the job and we were uh we were playing well in the back end uh the back end of the season and we started stringing some games together because we could never win like two games in a row it was always we'd win one we'd lose one we win one we'd lose one then we started stringing together i think like maybe three or four and um we were having fun on social media and uh d hall and i were close and he was tweeting back and forth with kevin durant and uh i you know being myself on social media i'm like i tweet at both of them i'm like hey deal introduce me to kd but be cool about it yeah and then he like laughs he's like comp i'm sure he knows you man he's a fan of the team because k.d is a big fan of the washington football team and um katie responds like hey comp i know who you are man he follows me and stuff and i'm like you know i played that up that kd follows me yeah and then i see yeah yeah exactly and then in an article the next day i'm seeing like the media you know put together the storyline of what happened and i saw that dale was following me too because they're like oh kd wasn't the only one who followed will like dale had followed me or something i like you big kd fan is that how you saw this thing go down well he's a he's a he was a washington guy too huge watching fans yeah washington fan and i was always like active you thought this is the guy i'm going to follow yes i was active on social media let's let's take a pause here yeah okay you're right you're right here so i was like nah let's show that for a second so you're obviously a huge fan of the team yes to be you know what i'm saying whoa damn back 2015. he's playing well yeah playing what but the first yeah it was back in my day that was back in my hey we played each other that year yeah we won i know i am very aware it was a horrible day it wasn't funny it was you and alex boone you guys were both they called me like some like white guy out there but boom was like messing with me i remember going to you're trying like hey we played each other in college and you're like all right oh my god i'm focusing on the next dude with the compton on his back i'm like you can't this gotta be the same guy from nebraska so okay so 2015 hits well how did you get to that man's twitter watching him play he's playing good are you serious yes and i mean like you saw him make a couple make a couple tackles and you just gave him a follow uh i think it was more like um dale's like just bored as hell like he had dudes all the time we couldn't even drive the race car that day for real but oh really yeah but yeah so you just started following that day or was it did you see the kv thing i don't i think it might have been that day i don't i think it was that day i can't remember i mean i just you know i would uh i just was like man this guy seems pretty cool and yeah we needed uh you know our team needed some personality uh you you know when you're a fan you gravitate toward the guys that seem to show some personality right yeah there's the workman type guy that you appreciate like you know uh that scores a touchdown hands the ball the ref and goes back to their bench right yeah right but uh you know every team needs that sort of uh clown right that class clown jesus christ the funniest part about that is i know you know every team needs sort of a clown and i just see that part being in just some trailer that was possible you know what i mean yeah yeah just a fun you're you're enjoying yourself things were things are going well for you and you were you were you were embracing that and you were sharing that with fans right yeah that fired me up because dobson back there was my he's been my strength coach pretty much my entire life and uh i say this okay all right i am a fan of the team and if i can interact with one of the players i mean i'm no different than the guy next door who isn't a race car driver and on tv right i'm just like him right and if i'm just as excited about you know getting on social media and interacting with will as this guy is i get it 100 and so people think people that do stuff they think that they don't like like yeah right like george lucas like you're not a fan of anything yeah yeah like me and george lewis he's like oh he's really nice and it's like oh yeah i mean we're all human beings like we all like want to hang out yeah things like things yeah he's playing for the team and i'm like dang that's cool man because we you know he was cool enough to be you know engage which is crazy because i'm thinking i'm like because i knew dobb was a huge dale earnhardt jr fan i'm like yo i can't wait to tell dobb that dale and i followed you were kind of friends yeah because if you follow charlie that's what i'm saying the next uh the next year we were about to go to otas dale tweets like hey good luck in otas i'm like we're we're boys man and then we get to go we get the race at the uh richmond speedway uh is that is that what the track yeah we get to go to richmond speedway and it's just yeah that's how it happened dude literally like twitter and we just kind of stayed in touch since we text every now and then oh that's super nice guys i'm really glad this is developing something that you guys can both hang your hat on all over the guy it was just a clown yeah you know every team needs a you know a clown he goes he goes you got the hard workers you know and then you know every team needs like a clown yeah that day that day you guys went driving like were you guys kicking it up you guys couldn't drive the race car legit we couldn't drive the race car yeah he was like um like we get to choose like four or five uh players to come out to the speedway like your name's on the list like make sure we get to go out because we it was during training camp so you went so you go to the same they say hey you're doing like a retirement round yeah or something right something yes and you go to it was richmond yes yeah go to richmond that's right training you want some washington redskins at the time washington football team yeah so i was going to go to training camp later that day mm-hmm yeah right but we had we practiced early in the mornings right and so we had to wait on y'all and yeah i think i put you and it's me kirk morgan moses yeah ryan kerrigan and i don't know if there's anybody else but you put on your list so you put will on your list i put all those names on the list okay gotcha morgan moses huh offensive lineman yeah but you follow him on twitter hey i checked in you guys say hey dale how much more bait can i throw you now let me get that bottle baby oh but uh yeah it was an awesome time and i'm sitting there thinking like you know we finally get to meet and hang out and we take like you know i do like a little snapchat a little snapchat selfie with him with the dog tongue and stuff and he drives around the car and i just you know have them try to have a blast yeah i'm like a kid in a candy store no question you know i see dale this the most humble human being i like to help you no question about it like dale has no clue that dale's dale right right and i'm like you know screaming and stuff you see him just driving the car just kind of like laughing he just seems like he's happy to give you this yeah yeah he's like this dude that was so much for this guy man he's nervous as hell were you really yes what like what what what are you nervous about because you see how he's on he's driving with will compton you know they're in the middle of their prep for the season oh we were hyped up too man and they're they're hard bombing their minds are on whatever that is right staying healthy and just getting getting the work in and they are getting you know asked to go out of their way over to do this thing oh it's like a field trip we got to miss summer training camp all right i don't know that so you know in your mind like this is the greatest neighborhood i'm like please keep driving so we don't have to go back yeah yeah could be a complete dick you're like hey good day you're sitting there going man i hope they like i hope they want to be here yeah yeah that's what i'm saying dude but then you you went uh like ran a route against jano right yes yeah josh norman i remember that we're buddies how did that um you catch one on them i did so that's back when jano was like jano yeah he was like we came off going to the playoffs the year before winning the division kirk was now taking the hell you know leading the way at quarterback so we had like it was like you know it was a good time to be a washington football teammate yeah so yeah so that was off script so we're walking we're walking around i'm just like i don't even know where i'm supposed to be and uh you know i'm trying to be either way but there's no obvious place that this is out of the way and their players doing their own thing and um uh josh was oh jeez josh is are you showing the josh thing this is me and josh norman do you remember that yes i bet he thought you were an dude no i'm like who's josh norman i was i was kind of pushed to you right there he's in the night what's he doing why is he going after this guy so this this thing we were in four minute drill at the end of the game this is like the game like it was like december 23rd it was like christmas time and um what's the upset for well okay so bone arrow four so derek runs the ball left smart move gets a few yards and josh tackles him and gator rolls his leg and i'm not like like listen derrick's my boy but even if derek wasn't my boy like then we're not going to play those types of games so i grew up getting josh's face and uh we kind of go at it for a little bit we end up winning the game on like a pick six it was like a i think butler picked it off and ran it in we didn't need to it was like 15 seconds left in the game so like josh is mouthing off to me and i just b-line for the sidelines he's sitting there i josh he like looks at me i go get the off my field dude and he like he's like what was that and i kind of put it back again and he threw his helmet at me yeah didn't move baller move and the thing goes right by me and he slaps my hand he obviously saw the video after that slaps my hand and all that but we've tried to get him on the pod a couple times like to me everything on the field is like it's all everything's a show in my head yes like we're just we're playing football we're this is entertainment yeah like i want to beat you up you want to be up but this after it's over i don't care you know what i'm saying so we get into it but that he was definitely pretty upset about that and then this year he's playing for the bills and the derrick did what we did to him [Music] my that was i loved him too but yeah flew through the air that was tough that man is still in the air of the day in this day what's that boom and he's like still floating off that's awesome you guys are uh you guys had a little deal there that's nice yeah yeah i'm happy for you too yeah i feel like we're being judged right no i'm not being judged it's just it's interesting to get the perspective of other people because i don't know i feel like will is probably super nervous to meet you too drive getting in there oh dude i was fired up like oh you're fired up yeah i mean i was a little nervous but i was like fired up too just just like i wasn't like a big nascar guy growing up but knowing like dale junior like you just know dale jr just the name dale and junior yeah and you know people like dobson and a couple like family members back home that like you know love nascar like love dale jr so i'm like stoked to show dob i'm like dude check this out and uh but yeah i was i was like fired up to meet him i'm like yeah i'm about to ride in a car with dale earnhardt jr yeah it's cool now we're drinking a beer on the bus for the second time yeah bro it's beautiful yeah that's awesome i love that that's all i had you like grab it you even looked away you're like that's awesome we just want to celebrate our friendship yeah it's beautiful it's nice to be a part of just to be around it it's like it's uh it's infectious it's infectious exactly what you got yeah anybody dobson you guys been back there i'm sure six to midnight the whole time it's all right let's do this i've kind of got two questions we'll start with the first one okay um so i didn't really grow up like i mean i'm 22. so your dad wasn't really alive like when i could remember racing but i was listening to the ty norris episode of him talking about the most popular driver award what kept your dad from winning that like for so long like man people now i mean know your dad but they don't know bill elliot he was the one who was winning that award way back then yeah i mean bill uh so the most popular driver award when dad was alive went to bill elliot he won it 16 times i think he holds the record and bill is popular now he was uh he was a popular driver without a doubt but the you know i can say this i think uh without being too disrespectful but we always felt like that they had bots before bots were bots right they had a i'll be i think you know to be clear what it was is that they organized like you know when the vote was going on you had to vote um through an old news uh letter and his fan club would organize and be like all right everybody it's that time of year let's go get get you get your votes in yeah right and you know dad didn't do that that didn't like all right everybody it's that time of year let's vote for me right um and his uh and bill would win it without fail every year he would win it and in my opinion uh you know if you polled nascar fans and you know dad was more popular argue it's arguable right it's absolutely a debatable thing but in my mind he was absolutely a bigger star much more you know mainstream outside the nascar bubble kind of guy could you know was in films and and with cameo here and there and uh but bill won the award every year and they organized you know his fan club and and dawsonville the city where he's from they got everybody on board when it was time to get the job done and he would never lose that award and it was a it was something i don't know that bill was actively out there going i need this yeah they have pr teams back then yeah sure yeah so that that it was they were they were the right people knew that it was good for bill to win that award right and so they organized and helped make that happen and you know i don't think you know it was any illegal or wrong i don't think they did anything wrong but they just were you know they were very dedicated to getting that year after year after year it's a good question zach it was if your dad if your dad was known as the intimidator what was was it bill bill's nickname was awesome bill from dawsonville awesomeville from dawsonville dawsonville georgia hey listen your dad should have won everyone an awesome bill from dawsonville that's tough like listen as a casual casual fan i don't know who that is yes he could be a great guy he's probably your dad sure you know you got to refrain you got to frame this in the 80s you know awesome you know the the it it was it sounded absolutely spot on in the 80s right yeah awesome bill from dawson hill that's people got a nice jingle to it let's throw that in right yeah yeah today it might not sound quite as uh might not it sounds dated yeah i think that that name is getting drug on it sounds like if you want a little round table like hey let's take a nickname for dale and you said awesome dale from wherever he's from i'd say hey will you got to leave the room hey we'll get the out of here get him out of here right now yeah i don't know hey the intimidator lives on forever i suppose that name is awesome i suppose i feel i feel like i have to um i feel like i have to [Music] have bill's back i mean yeah yeah i get that you can let us be the oh yeah you guys yeah you guys everybody shoots on us and everybody shoots straight in here but i think that you know it was a in the 80s it it like seemed to make sense right here in the 80s right comes coming after you know the 70s yeah yeah and like the 80s like even if you look at movies like friday like friday the 13th it's like like they have like the 13 and it's like probably a swing and a miss now right that's like you can you do that on any computer now yeah exactly that's true exactly yeah i see what you're saying keep getting us to the other side keep getting us to the other side being like that is a badass name that is nice yeah now that i think about it i just flip sides whenever i want that's a latte from yesterday uh zach also brought up that you had a funny story for accepting the award on behalf of your dad i did um uh so the banquet at that time was in new york city and uh my dad is uh passed away earlier the year before and um bill elliott bowed out of the voting that year and said do not vote for me really and so dad won it um after you know that year after his death he goes and so at the banquet they have a dinner or breakfast the day before the morning of and they give away these special awards right and that one of them is the most popular driver award and dad's i they want me to accept that award for dad right the night before i'm hanging out in the lobby or in the hotel somewhere at the waldorf astoria and uh kenny schrader and a couple other guys the race car drivers peers are my dads and they're like uncles to me right they're they're they're old enough to be my dad and they treat me like i'm their son and uh they're like hey we're going to hogs and heifers tonight in the meatpacking district you got to go with us hogs and heifers yeah is that a strip club what is that no it's a drink elephant strip clubs place sounds awesome it was amazing yeah in the meat packing district in new york city so that's all i remember i don't yeah i don't know if it's still there but i don't think it is but anyways i it was a tradition for them every year and so i'm like sure i'm wherever you're going i'm going i love you guys yeah i can't believe you asked me and so i go and we drank and i sit at the bar and the bar's closing or they're leaving it's one of two in the morning they're leaving and they're like hey man let's go and i'm like i'm gonna stay and thought that was a great idea yeah and so around six o'clock in the morning the bartender's closing and and she's like hey man let me get your cab and i'm like yeah i guess so and she's like where are you staying i said i'm send me the water for story so cab sent me home at six o'clock and the banquet the breakfast for the most popular driver award is at eight o'clock i go upstairs and climb in the bed and i mean i am hammered yeah and so the general manager for dei my dad's company uh ty norris comes up there and he's like hey the banquet or the breakfast is happening come on yeah and i'm like i ain't going down there i'm not doing it he's like no you gotta go do it this is your dad's award and he's like i'm like i always gotta accept everything for him you know ever since he's passed away yeah i got to go up there and get all the things yeah and everybody wanted to honor him and acknowledge him for right or wrong i got frustrated with it right i probably should have been thrilled and absolutely honored to do every single thing but i wasn't and i didn't take it that way and i didn't do it right or wrong but so i'm like screw that i'm tired of doing this i ain't going down here and obviously i'm i'm i'm drunk i'm not thinking correctly and that's probably weighing a lot on on this whole thing so ty says you do what you want to do but you're going to regret this for the rest of your life your dad's never won this award and yours only one person can accept it for him and that's you and he turned around and walked out and i scott up and ran out the door and i said hey hey he's heading down the hall i'm like wait all right i'll get my on yeah so i put on my suit and i walk down there and walked up on that stage when they called you know when they said you know they presented i've walked in there they've been holding off like put this award goes you know goes like earlier in the set right yeah so they're putting this off but this off and finally i walk in the room and they're like okay he's here do the award and so the award happens and i go up there and and i don't remember anything about it but ty said i spoke well and that is awesome i oh that's so walked off the stage right back to the double door exit and right back up to the room oh that is all the time i tore all the you did that good thing you did that man that's awesome i know i'm glad i did i would probably that would be some that'd be something you'd regret oh yeah your boy was right then he just i love how he just turned around and walked out yep just set the scene good for him yeah it was good zach was that your second question no um so this is uh i guess more or less athlete mindset maybe taylor and will can relate to this but they may not know this but you went on a four-year losing streak your mental what was your mentality like during the middle of those four years where you were just not winning do i like i was going i was saying to my i was saying to only a very very few individuals um that i wanted to quit like um this is miserable this sucks i don't want to do this anymore how can i end this how can i get out of this how can i stop this i just don't want to and i didn't have the i didn't say it to like my car owner rick hendrick or uh my team because i was i knew one that i wasn't being honest with myself and obviously i didn't want to destroy the relationship rick wasn't giving up on me uh as an owner he gave me a whole lot longer leash than he gave other guys right so he because he you know if other guys didn't get their stuff together and run well he sent him down the road and he hung on to me for way longer than that right and i knew that and uh there was part of me that was thinking if i keep coming back it'll it'll turn around right it's got to turn around but they're in their you know in some of the toughest moments you're just like i want to disappear even if i regret this and i just feel like a failure uh i'm gonna just i'll just fade in i'll fade into the beach somewhere and nobody would ever have to worry about it um i'm glad i didn't right i'm glad i didn't take that that would have been the easy cheap way to to do it but uh i was glad i stuck it out we got back to winning some races and had some things to enjoy you know at the back end of the career and um that was really really good yeah steven came in and yeah brought a whole new night right so yeah is that who's that who'd you say steve latar that was the crew chief that came in i changed crew cheese yeah i changed crews that was like the thing i was like yeah so i changed crew chiefs uh so things were bad four year losing streak not a no not a threat right and people in the garage and you know you know uh guys on teams that are that you may even looked at like this but they're not a threat right never going to be anything you got to worry about right they're not they're not competition to you and you thought you were reviewed that way yeah in the ground that's got to be a tough feeling to have god especially for like four years you're like yeah what the am i doing so i changed crew chiefs and this guy that came in his name's steve lettarch he was kind of kind of rejected by the driver that was driving for him a little bit at least he viewed it as i'm not wanted by this guy and he came to me and he said i think me and you are both looking at our last chance he said that to you yeah and he's like we're gonna do this and we're gonna make it work or you know if you don't do what i need you to do then it ain't gonna work and so he's he looked at my approach and my prep and said you know you're gonna need to be at the truck an hour before prac before practice starts i was just showing up right on time before yeah and that was good enough and he's like i need you there an hour early i need you to stay as late as i need you whether it's four hours 10 hours whatever it is you just don't leave till i tell you you're clear and he just had all these rules and i'd never had anybody place that in front of me and uh i was like oh all right if it's my last chance and it's your last chance i'll follow every rule i'll do everything you ask me to do that's and dude we did it we got better it took a while now as a process but we got back to victory lane and we won a handful of races and daytona 500 uh i won a martinsville clock i mean so we had some great years where we ran good top fives top fives top fives contending every weekend it was awesome that's amazing then he caught uh and then so things are at their best right everything's um everything is amazing right 2014. going going into 2014 so we're in the middle of a great uh uh and we're doing good in 2013 and i got a uh i got a rumor somebody told me a rumor that he was gonna take a broadcasting job with nbc and i was like how could he do that what the hell you what are you confronting about it no so i got this rumor on the way into charlotte motor speedway we were racing there in may so i've got this crew chief right and he where we're doing well and when we don't do well instead of looking at me and going all right man i need you to try a little harder he looked at me and he said i got to build you a better car and i'm like holy i've never heard that right i always heard that i made the mistake or i needed to try harder i wasn't dedicated i wasn't focused today never had a guy told me my the car i built you wasn't good enough for you and i got to do better and i was like this dude yeah and he was a massive awesome cheerleader always cheer always like come on man we can do it come on stand there always crack in the whip come on come on we can do it you know if you're talk you know you're hearing you're hearing this over the radio it's pumping you up every race um anyways you know he's taken this job as a broadcaster and i was devastated and so uh we ended up uh you know i go to him and i'm like dude i heard this thing and he's like yeah i wanted to tell you but i you know i'm sorry you sorry the rumor got to you before i could get to you guys that's a bummer yeah yeah i told you himself yeah and so um we ended up do his final years 2014 we won i have four races maybe something like that and uh then he went and did tv and so i raced a few more years and had some more fun and then when i got ready to retire i went to the booth where he works really yeah i said hey man you cool if i come to the booth they're offering me this job he's like come on yeah that's awesome now we're back i love that i'd love to hear that for sure yeah those two years after he left was there like a a nervousness transition like that support system's kind of gone nope um so we had there was some there was this prosthetic uh prospect grey guys was his name is a crew chief in a bright engineering mind and i talked to steve and i said okay i said man you're leaving me you got one job outside of us going through this final year together you got one damn job like every time there's a void in this team you don't try to just feel it you try to put a better person in that position if we lose a guy for whatever reason he either gets fired because he doesn't do his job or he gets hired by somebody else you always try to bring in somebody that's even better it's not you you never bring in a guy that's the same or worse right you always anytime you have an opportunity to feel that void i said now it's your turn to fill your own void dude yeah i was like find me that guy that's better than you i was like uh here's all the names i'm hearing here's here's the people that we could go after and he's like that's the guy knew right away and i'm like i like that guy too i'm glad you feel that way that's cool yeah it was that's very cool yeah i love that that's hard transitioning from anybody just having having a support system and yeah that's cool he was so cool about that and that's one of the tough things about i don't know if that's one of the tough things about life is learning that not you know you're gonna fall in love with people you're gonna make these amazing friendships with people whether it's your wife your best friend um your dad your your your cousin your your buddy from high school but none of that stuff lasts forever that was such a hard lesson to learn and it's still not easy to to take right i mean i i i had this guy that was like a grandfather to me when i first started racing and we had to split up because of uh i to for me to learn more about my cars i needed to work on them and that meant him driving an hour to work every day he's like i'm not driving an hour to work because the cars were at his shop and i was like i need to work on them every day i need i can't drive you know i can't go down there he's like we just had to split and it was a it was like a death man like because he was like a granddad to me i love this man and uh and and and i think you know splitting with steve at that time um those are difficult things to deal with in life but you got to realize that nothing lasts forever nothing lasts forever yeah man that is that is so true too it's like sometimes like just think about like almost being done with ball like damn like this chapter that you've worked you know up to 23 years to play it you know sport that you you know you know the average career is light um and then the play and then you know now you know like it's almost final and over regardless if i want it to be or not it's just crazy to think like you know something you think is going to be forever knowing that it's not and then it's finally here at the finish line or you know it is it is nuts and then friendships like you know taylor was mentioning on you were talking about like seasonal stuff like it's just crazy that there's friends in your life that are like seasons like you there has this big vertical leap and you're like god this guy's the best then for whatever reason it kind of just fizzles out but then you make like two or three that are like lifetime friends sure yeah yeah of course the best are the ones where you might not hear from them for a long time but you can pick it right back up that's how my high school are man they don't give you that they don't give you that that feeling or that vibe that man you should have stayed in touch the whole time why haven't you been calling me yeah they don't care they're just like glad to hear from you yeah you got a buddy who you can get off the phone with in a month later call back and pick up on the same conversation those are the those are the ones that last forever yeah that's awesome the uh boys when you when you were talking about your dad and like kind of always wanting him to like give you that that approval and like when you started racing you started to see that you guys when he went from preaching to okay you're kind of working together as a tutoring when he did pass away where were you guys at in your relationship was it really everything you wanted it to be yeah it was amazing um i was uh we i was this uh i was this i don't know how to put this into words and articulate just right but man he was looking at me like this is going to be part of the future of my business right i mean he had to be i'd won uh you know over a dozen races in the xfinity series two championships back to back and was moving into the cup series had won the all-star race as a rookie one at texas and richmond and i had this potential right i had this this uh this this prospect of of success and he was building this brand new race team to to be the best best in the business they called the shop the garage mahal i mean you know this whole thing was just big this whole dream and vision of his was really becoming a reality dad could walk into the garage up to the best motor builder no matter who he worked for and say i want to talk to you about coming to work for me and that guy would more than likely say i got time to talk to you you know he would that person was never going to say good where i'm at yeah thanks dale they were always going to think about it consider it that was dale earnhardt asking him to come to his and he was going to take them and spend as long as it took to convince them that this was the future and they were a part of it and he was just amazing at that and so what i guess i'm getting at is that he he was going to absolutely build one of the best race teams that this sport would ever see most successful race teams that this sport was ever would ever see he had the ability to get all of the people that he needed to build the best fastest race cars and you weren't going to beat them and and i think that he was looking at me as a corner piece to that puzzle you know that those are the ones that you put on the table first yeah right to build it and i think he was looking at me as like one of those more one of the key pieces that was going to be part of the future that's awesome that is really cool i don't know how you guys build puzzles but i'm the i'm the corner piece yeah yeah yeah that's usually fine i'm thinking you're the heir to the throne as a you know as a dad of a three-year-old we're doing the puzzles yeah that the legos are trying to teach you about the corners i'm like get the corners out be like this and both of you you do the corners and then the outside work your way in that's right listen both of you are fathers of uh two daughters yeah two daughters how old are they now three and eight months gosh mine's just turned four and then i have one the certain one in a week yeah it's awesome it's it is awesome it's it's definitely it's cool to see their different personalities you have one you're like okay they're all like this right and then you have the next one it's like listen this is way different yeah you know but it's very cool being a dad that's awesome it is yeah it's crazy how different they look um you'd think i mean i'm not this it's different for every parent some parents their kids do look similar but um they these two that i got man they they appear to be complete opposites and their whole vibe with uh they give off is is not the same yeah and uh but it's fun and it's good and um but it's so challenging to try to my three-year-old and you're probably dealing with this too is pushing the buttons right and she's she's testing her limits right and uh boy she says some things that she doesn't know are rude right get out of here that is the hardest thing i saw like taylor's oldest win almost choked taylor to death i went into uh remember she didn't want to get out of the pool oh yeah it's tough man because yeah i mean my childhood wasn't the best and so like for me it's like i want to make sure that you guys have everything you need without being spoiled and also appreciate the things you have and it's just you just don't want you just don't want to be like that kid whatever the in that situation is that's going to act like that and so teaching them that conference like what you're saying is when they just say things to you and they're it's so rude but they don't know it's rude and like i'll be talking my daughter'll be like stop talking yes dude i'm like what you just said around right now you probably deserve it though patience is go ahead so i went into isla's room the other day and and uh she's laying in there and i'm like i'm like uh hey you good she's like get out yeah i'm like you're three yeah what the hell aren't you watching me supposed to come until you're like nine twelve yeah like get out of my room dad but she's three and saying get out of here the most random things they'll be so mean to you and then the next minute they'll like kind of crawl over oh yeah snug on you a little bit turn around just give you a kiss and you're like that's all right yeah yeah my kids are awesome i'm gonna be definitely be that dad when they start doing stuff like see what my kid did hey always tapping them yeah you see that you see what they just did there i always got the video on your phone yeah taking videos all the time do you wish you had a boy um no because i um so i was thinking about my own life thinking about growing up in you know the thing about growing up in my dad's house and how much people expected and thought man you know you're just automatically going to be this rock star race car driver you're just going to you know you're going to follow right in your dad's footsteps and do everything he did and more and i i might not have been as self-aware of all that when i was a kid but i definitely wouldn't want to have to watch my son be a subject to that right and so um i didn't want a son i wanted to i wanted another girl the second time if it was gonna be a boy i was gonna do it you know i was it was gonna be fine yeah but um i'm selfish it's always gonna be fine yeah it's almost like there's some other option like you know if i know the boy but i'm just that's what i was going to be okay i'm trying to make that clear yeah um i because people aren't supposed to wish for one or the just you know want a healthy baby right and so i feel boy i feel okay so my wife is badass and my little my first girl was is is giving me all this love right and i'm like damn i'll take some more of this this is great yeah right my whole house just bubbling over with you know it's pouring out the windows right just uh you know and i think a little boy would come in there and just be like um tasmanian devil right yes yeah and just creating all kinds of difficulties but would you name him in the third um no hell no and so damn dale take it easy i'm the third now [Laughter] no hell no that'd be awesome no the junior is the thing that's like all right well you gotta get it going yeah yeah yeah get it started yeah that's like oh i feel like a lineage there no offense yeah i was worried that i would screw up the boy yeah that i would i felt like that i wasn't parent material in terms of being able to treat uh teach them uh right and wrong in manners and i don't have that in my mind i'm thinking i don't have that ability i'm not a parent i don't know i'm never parented right i'm probably going to be pretty bad so everybody before they have their first exactly yeah but we all yeah i'm looking at my wife going now she's got it oh no even though she's probably sitting there going i don't got it yeah i don't know what i'm doing i'm looking at everyone she knows what she's doing yeah and she can keep these girls in line because she knows girls right right uh i don't and and i can't screw these girls up she's amy's not gonna allow it right she's going to raise two perfectly amazing girls and i will have nothing to do with it and if not it's on her yeah if a boy it was no there was no it was sure to be uh a mess yeah that was the way i had it in my head i hear you that is absolutely not the reality of the situation but that's like in my mind that's the way i think i think i'm weird do you think your patients have gotten a lot better like for me whenever my kids like i'm sure kind of coming out yeah whenever my kid's coming at me my first go-to thought is like how do i handle the situation so you're not traumatized for the rest of your life yeah you know what i'm saying like how do i handle this situation the right way my patients have gotten a whole lot better i i mean i i've i have gotten to the point to where like isla is trying to do something and i'm like you're you're not going to bother me yeah like you're trying to get me upset you're trying to trigger me you're trying to get this reaction out of me and i'll i'm not gonna not bothered by what you're doing right there and keep on going yeah right and so i think i have i didn't have that in year one year one and a half two but i've i've kind of i used to let her bother me man she could hurt my feelings my little two-year-old could bother hurt my feet crush you like my wife right right yo and i'm like what i feel like it's almost worse when your two-year-old does it though because they're so pure i know and i'm like how are you able to have that power over me yeah and so like you you work that out right i finally for the most part work that out now she's gonna have new tools you know as they get older they come at you with new things they say they're like wait that that hurts that that's a new one yeah yeah and uh and we'll deal with that when it happens but it's uh you know it's it's interesting i'm hands on man i'd take isla to school pick her up from school um like when amy when we had our second one that first year i was i was my job was taking care of isla get her up get her dress get her to school pick her up from school spend the rest of the day with her get her theater you know get her bath get her teeth brushed get her back in bed i mean boom boom boom every day i'm down i wanted to change diapers and i dove right in did all the things once you get the diaper thing down it's kind of like it's kind of easy done to it oh yeah yep teach you i know one day i got you come over here with the teddy bear yeah we'll start doing the whole thing get it going it's been the longest pod we might ever done rightfully so i mean this is what we needed like dale on the you know the dale bus i know what do you think of the bus yeah like yeah i was honored like that y'all chose to do your pod and this bus uh was really cool to me that's awesome it was when he got here i asked him like what do you think he's like it's cool man i'm thinking like hey come on i mean no yeah this is like your number i mean you guys yeah this is your the cool thing is is like we didn't paint this like this right this is like this yeah there's a story about this bus i've come across five or six different people it's like oh yeah my buddy's on that bus and then somebody else's buddy this thing's been around forever yeah yeah a drinking buddy oh yeah he is cool he flew out here he's going to hang out with a buddy afterwards schrader is the one that drug me hogs and heifers in new york there it is yeah finest strip club in all of new york it's not a strip club hey you want to know what's cool if amy listens it's not a surprise you want to know what was crazy about that is like we're in the middle of new york city in in in a dive bar and they had nascar crashes looped on all the tvs yeah and i'm like i never thought this this is what i would see i was like this is the best bar in the world and i thought it would be in like um you know talladega alabama or daytona beach florida but it's in new york city how cool is that yeah that's awesome it was pretty awesome i love that sit there and watch that all day drink a beer i love that i love how much you love beer is on a loop yeah you only drink two though i watched four eggs yeah he did only drink two beers but we were right he was i think you guys are only on your little trick right here what's that so you're college boys right y'all drink plenty of beer in college y'all never seen that no so this is so when you drink a lot you don't drop it see that and also so it's a grip you're creating it speeds the flow up out of the beer oh if you want to speed the flow if you just get a little okay here we go just get a little push and then you got the yeah i ain't doing that like well you're going to lose a thumb yeah i was going to say i might get caught i cut my thumb yeah don't try that don't don't do that right here because absolutely you're going to cut your thumb off he just starts bleeding everywhere yeah just starts gushing out give that a go one day i saw a guy i went to hang with my sister i was 15 16 years old and i drove down to her college at wilmington and sat around a table drinking playing uh president and with him what's president uh nobody's ever heard president circle of death well there was a we caught a president there was and there was a president yeah but and there was this guy did in his cans and he was like so i can count how many i've had at the end of the night but he's also telling me about the flow and yeah he doesn't drop science behind it yeah there's a little how does help with the flow i don't understand that you have to try it to see it but it the beer flows over this tony hey man he goes i'm not a scientist okay tony's back there he's just the beer goes over the song i promise it's not going to come out so fast you can't handle it choke that chug it through the whole thing it's too fast it's way too fast just just try to finish it just don't don't but you have to see the speed you have to see this piece you do have i'm just gonna do a little bit i hear the bubbling it's already not worth it i don't know man okay did you hear the did you hear the uh the bubbling the whole time yeah i feel like it was kind of the same speed speed see if you vent it of course it's going to that's that thing's pouring no problem super fast you're not going to get the i think we can see it if you did it i know you can't but i feel like the best the best person to do this example is definitely him because he could he could hold it we could actually watch the flow i can open the throats yeah i spend a little time on juvie it's not a big deal anyway i'm not just kidding i'm not kidding i appreciate you coming on the bus yeah this is this is awesome it's a lot of times you sit there with somebody new and you you kind of do this around about we're trying to feel each other out yeah you came on you telling stories and my mouth is just open listening like you know what i'm saying grandpa sitting around the fire yeah just tell tales or war stories yeah and it was awesome i've been looking forward to just for a long time man i'm glad you guys had me on last year and you know it's uh i love the bus i love what you guys are doing i i do podcasts so i kind of keep up with what you guys are up to we are all kind of learning from each other and taking things off each other that we like and uh you know not to force ourselves on you but we you know we should probably get on the daily probably come on we also talked about in your last on the last podcast you're on this whole western town you have yes y'all need to continue we're still waiting on that call we're still dumb just next time i don't know how that works you want to show up at the door with a stick and you do the same thing hey it's 24 7. you can come whenever you want it feels weird right yeah well just know him like i know you do me and we'll sort it all out yeah i'll figure it out right yeah you guys figure it out just call me i'll be on a southwest c30 i'll be on that thing no problem dude i feel like uh you'd probably enjoy just the way you're out there talking about your truck i'm like i'm sure they they both know what each other's saying here i'm gonna sit there and talk for six seconds and he'll go and i'll be like you lost me yeah you know like i like the way trucks run i love beautiful old vehicles yeah and that's we'll go check it out when you change the oil yes i'll get that done for you no problem maybe it depends on the car alright subscribe rate review barstoolssports.com merch that's where you can get our merch uh youtube channel subscribe hit the algorithms comment below do all the fun stuff i'm sure nascar culture might be killing us for the billy elliot for the bill elliot stuff but probably more where's bill out now is he you were how do you think around more about killing you more about what you called the series and the reason oh yeah that's kid i didn't even know that was that bad the circle track nascar racing series [Laughter] right around the same thing as awesome bill from doomerville or whatever and we just went in on he goes listen i'm going to have this background oh now we're is killing us right now yeah but uh bill is still around yeah he's still he's still doing his thing was your dad and him rivals i'm still trying to do that what am i doing here i'm thinking in my head you probably want to go to the kids and i think as long as he's asking a question i guess we're good talen's cool yeah those kids have been missing their dad all day you know what i'm saying whether you're uh your dad number cool yeah they were good yeah yeah that's a very i had a few run-ins but everybody does then with the intimidator who was his baby go youtube and watch the 1987 winston all-star race just that's one if you're going to watch a race about nascar history that's the one go watch that one there's others but that that'll be a good one for you all right 1987 all-star winston they called it the winston the winston yeah because winston cigarettes was a big deal cigarettes was a big deal back then i think they kind of still are yeah but not like yeah i mean they they're on every sign they're like hey smoke cigarettes like it's all good yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah and then whenever nash nascar stuff comes in that go ahead i'm sorry yeah hey we used to have a guy on our team called two beers because he would get like this after a couple yeah yeah look at that struggle to struggle with two beers struggle to put thoughts together i tell my buddy billy over here my had a buddy named chris back home he the first thing to go is his speech fully functional just words aren't coming out for the poor guy chris arnold that's my cat man i love him but when nascar comes to nashville we obviously need to be communicating because we need to have this bus somewhere invisible yeah you know what i'm saying for sure right on the track right on the track you guys gotta move around you know we'll do a potter yeah yeah yeah you do your thing in the booth that's tony we'll all hang by you yeah it's been most wrecks ever because there's a bus yeah oh but appreciate it man i thought hey i'm i'm excited to uh to finally be on the show and i can't wait for folks to hear it get that feedback man yeah we need that and that's great what's the name of your podcast the dale jr download dale jr download all major podcast platforms let's go we're always in the same realm in the rankings are we as the download of them they stay a little more consistently above us but there are some times now we're all in the same realm we're competing against where do you guys he's gonna be competitive he's our cow bush because he's in the sports category yeah he's our cow bush you get no better ratings than us we'll get this i gotta go i'm gonna walk out appreciate you man thank you so much thank you guys thanks for the beer oh yeah we had to get that right big shout out to you guys if you enjoyed this episode and love and support busting with the boys go to whatever podcast platform you're on and subscribe to us leave a review rate 5 stars if you're already subscribed unsubscribe and resubscribe again it helps the boys climb the charts and again we can't we wouldn't be doing this and can't do this without you guys and all of your support we also have a 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Channel: Bussin' With The Boys

Views: 390,676

Keywords: barstool, barstool pod, barstool podcast, barstool sports, bussin, bussin with the boys, dale earnhardt, dale earnhardt jr, football, football podcast, for the boys, intimidator, legend, nascar, nashville, nashville podcast, nashville tennessee, nfl, nfl podcast, oklahoma, pardon my take, pro athlete podcast, taylor lewan, tennessee titans, training camp, will compton, dale, dale jr

Id: ahy5MFWwKkw

Length: 142min 8sec (8528 seconds)

Published: Wed Aug 04 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/Tarheels_2015]

Probably one of the most entertaining podcast with Jr I’ve ever heard.

[u/AdoubleU9]

As a Titans fan and obvious huge fan of this podcast, it made me so happy that they finally got his ass on that Budweiser bus lol. And he even autographed the 8 decal on the side.

[u/Jahgee1124]

What an unfortunately named podcast with the new meaning bussin' has taken on.

[u/nodak_daddy]

Shit be bussin

[u/mkelley22]

I loved the whole Bill Elliott portion of the episode. That was hilarious

[u/Trentpd]

I couldn't get over how small Dale looked next to 2 NFL players lol.

Great interview. Was great to hear at least a couple stories I hadn't heard him tell before.

[u/Titans2k9]

“Awesome Bill from Dumerville”

[u/Bubbly_Squirrel5044]

Bout time he got in this podcast

[u/Steffan514]

Dales gonna drive the truck bus!