Custom RTX 3090, 3080, & 3070 Video Cards: NVIDIA GPU News Round-Up

this morning we scrambled to cover the rtx 3000 series official announcements from nvidia they did not pre-brief the press for the most part for this one so we got the news when you all did and that video is already up if you're curious to learn more about it we're also running an article and we'll have that on the website if you want the written recap of it for this one though we're looking at the partner models of the rtx 3000 series cards that are announced thus far these aren't reviews obviously but instead we're going to be looking at the cooling solutions the changes versus previous generations and everything that we know to date about some of the partner model cards before that this video is brought to you by the corsair dark core rgb pro wireless mouse which claims sub 1 millisecond wireless response low latency bluetooth an 18 000 dpi sensor a 2 000 hertz polling rate and interchangeable side grips corsair's mouse can charge on the mm-1000 mouse pad with qi charging or can be used wired learn more at the link in the description below so as stated this isn't a review which means you need to wait for our actual reviews we're going to do in-depth thermal testing on as many of the partner models as we can get a hold of for the rtx 3000 series typically we do everything down to applying thermocouples all over the board and taking per component thermal measurements to see how the coolers are doing and that will more than ever apply this generation because of the reference model from nvidia which is very unique this time around that said it is worth looking at some of the designs early as we get prepped for what we're going to be testing soon and uh start filling in the details we should also note that if some of these things start entering pre-order stages stick around for the reviews if you can you might miss the first round if you do that so there's downside but generally speaking with gpus given how expensive they are it's typically worth getting some more information on them because right now we don't even have detailed pcb shots actually nvidia has expressly forbidden the board partners from giving us pcb shots this time after our coverage of the 2000 series when it launched and we did uh tear downs which were technically allowed but nvidia wanted to disallow them so they've learned they've they've now explicitly disallowed certain things anyway we're going to start with the evj and the stacks we have the most information from them very quickly there is a kingpin card already announced for the rtx 3090 series the kingpin cards are overclocking centric they don't have to be overclocked you can plug it in and just play games with it but generally speaking the kp cards along with galax hall of fame cards msi lightning cards things of that nature they tend to be the best value when you're actually going to do a lot of serious overclocking with them we've reviewed them before though and the cooling solutions stock with the cards like the kp ones do help hold a flatter frequency so you don't have as much boosting behavior kicking the frequency down as soon as it heats up a little bit but this one it is equipped with 23 power phases we don't know the split between memory and core right now it will have a 360 radiator this time so that's up from 240 previously so the 360 clc on there it is going to have a gen 6 as a tech pump from what we understand right now there are not a ton of thermal performance differences between gen 6 or even gen 4 a7 pumps or gen 7 they're all roughly the same but the primary changes are in the plastics and the housing and their resistance to things like decay from from high water temperatures the cold plate will still be protruding from the base to contact the gpu it's a flat cold plate rather than a concave or a convex one those are typically reserved for cpu designs so that helps with gpus since you're already direct to silicon contact we've reviewed those at least a dozen times over the years there's an oled screen rgb so it's like last time except rgb and then it will have three eight pin power connectors but that's gonna be sort of a flagship for xoc territory so not very common let's look at the ftw3 evga has made a major id change to its coolers this generation it's done that every generation and we are curious this time to see how much the community hates the design evga has put together every time ebj has changed its designs every single generation it seems like the forum posts we see are who else hates evga's new faceplate so this was the 1080 ti series i'm not holding a 30 series card we don't have one uh people hated this but then later with the 20 series everyone said ebj go back to the 10 series so anyway they've changed it again and this time the ftw3 has red accents on the left right and back of the card somewhat resembling the old amd reference gpu batmobile cards the fin stack uses the same cooling solution that was introduced with icx that includes if you look closely you'll see some piercings that run through the fin stack horizontally this is supposed to help air escape the card and then the back plate has holes punched through it as well and our understanding is that evga is still intending to use thermal pads between the backplate and the pcb to leverage the surface area the ftw3 is moving to icx version 3 it will host the same nine sensors that it did in the past we don't have physical board photos but we do have a render of their locations these are ntc thermistors they will be located on the gpu front side gpu backside memory left top and right and then four on the vrm these aren't particularly actionable for users but they are valuable for enthusiasts or technicians in our case who can make use of the extra data without needing to wire up thermocouples manually so we've talked about this in our reviews of ftw or ics cards in the past the sensors aren't a reason you should be buying the card for the most part if you were doing something like what we do and you need a test vehicle to attach to other things they become very valuable but for the average enthusiast it doesn't really provide you actionable information for the most part the vrm temperature should be well under control memory should be well under control and if they're not then modulating the fan speed a bit isn't typically going to change things on a card like this you're already at a point where if it's not good it will almost never be good so the sensors the point is don't get caught up on the sensors it's cool it's neat to look at like the temperature of memory modules and the vrm but not being actionable it's not something you should go out of your way to buy unless you have an idea for it like maybe water cooling open loop and you want to make sure that you've got absolutely perfect contact with everything and you don't want any anxiety about whether it's contacting perfectly or not that might be a good use case for it the ftw3 will run three eight pin connectors and a yet undetailed vrm it's running seven heat pipes on the front side one on the back side the one on the back is too cool rear side memory modules is actually new information we picked up so the 30 90 will have 12 memory modules on the back it's going to have 12 on the front then the 38 and 1370 are only front side memory modules so 3090s have a whole extra layer of testing that reviewers will need to do if testing the coolers properly which is going to be to measure memory module performance on two sides of the card huge headache but that's the job and if you're a user you just need to be aware of the of if the cards are designed properly this is kind of new it's not like they haven't done memory on the back before but it's been a few generations and so some companies that don't have maybe as much experience calling memory modules on the back like the newer ones or ones you've had engineers cycle through there's potential for oversight there is what we're saying uh so we'll keep a careful eye on 3090s and their cooling solutions for the backside of memory especially this pcb has some holes cut through it as stated so it's like nvidia's where they're trying to push some air through but it's not anywhere close to as much of a hole as was cut in the 30 90 which is just like half the pcb's gone it is using a heat pipe on the back as a straight flat heat pipe so you lose some of the performance characteristics of the larger round heat pipes but also it fits better that allows you to get the back plate in there and then rely on thermal pads for transfer from the backlight memory modules to the plate or if it's 38 or 37 you don't have to worry about that at all we also noticed an amd style retention bracket on the back side of the gpu for the fdw3 you'll see that in the render so we don't have photos yet and that's to help distribute the load as you'd expect of the cold plate as opposed to the typical four standalone screws so depending on how what kind of springs they're working with also that that could improve the cold plate contact with the gpu silicon speaking of the cold plate as well much like the previous generations cards evga is extending its cold plate to contact the memory and as far as we understand right now on all sides of the front of the board doesn't apply to the back and this means two things one is your memory is obviously gonna be cooler but also it does mean that the gpu temperature will measure higher because it's sharing a direct cooling solution now there's more power going into the cold plate than would be if it's just the gpu we've demonstrated this in the past by testing with and without that type of cold plate and cooling the memory separately generally speaking temperature goes up a little bit when you do that for the gpu but the overall temperature of everything goes down so typically worth it but don't be surprised if it looks like the gpu is a couple degrees warmer than maybe a competitor if the memory modules are not measured between them if they are then we've normally seen that the memory is cooler as a result of this approach but memory is also much less sensitive to temperature swings than the gpu cores which is frequency dependent on uh is contingent upon temperature so this is stuff we'll all we're going to run through all this and testing and tell you exactly whether or not the design was a good decision or not obviously evga has no pricing right now none of these vendors do for the most part a lot of them got the pricing either just before we did or when we did which was publicly when you did so they've been in the dark on this and we won't get pricing until closer to launch which is the 17th for uh everything except the well for the 3080 the 30 90 is gonna be the september 24th and then the 30 70 will be october sometime other quick news on evga stuff they've got a hybrid card we're not going to talk about that much today the only difference we've noticed thus far that's important is a move to a 240 ml radiator from the smaller radiators in the past it will have an rgb fan on the radiator i guess too those will be controllable by gpu software which is interesting because it means that there's an extra cable or a cable running down well it would be an extra cable running down the tubes that has to plug into the gpu board the pcb somewhere so that's worth noting i suppose but uh the xc3 line is the one that evga expects will be its most popular and highest sales volume for this generation it has the same icx-3 cooling solution but it does not have the icx-3 other features so those would be the sensors the power module which is part of the ftw3 but not the xe3 and uh that would also include oh the fuse uh so a couple things on this whether or not you care about these features will help you out the fuses don't actually protect your card from an rma if you have a card any of them that has a few fused blow up for the most part the fuses are too slow to react to actually protect the component behind it as we've learned from build zoid and videos we've worked with him on in the past so typically what happens is it makes it easier to identify the issue send it back in for repair or if you're good at this stuff yourself you can maybe replace it on your own for the power module that just tells you the board power it's measuring out the cables so you get a more accurate power consumption number reported and software for the entire card because there's a physical hardware module on there telling you it's not approximating anything this should be more accurate than something like gpuz which is reading from the gpu silicon so you're missing out on vrm efficiency losses and things of that nature other stuff on the board basically so those aren't super useful for a lot of people but interesting extra features to consider let's move on to the next group of cards we'll cover msi next because they're taking this launch extremely seriously the most seriously actually uh their website is broken so it's quick to get through this one efficiently so msi announced it's gaming trio and ventus cards for the rtx 3000 series unfortunately we have limited information on these because the website has a few buttons on it and when you click on any of the card links it results in a 404 page that is somewhat grim and we're not sure is appropriate for youtube scrolling down though and clicking on the zero frozer link bears some hope in the form of a video removed by uploader icon but we'll work with what we have so the list includes a 30 90 gaming x trio a 30 90 gaming non-x trio uh 30-80 variants of those and the same for the 30-70. msi claims that its coolers will feature the tri-frozer2 solution and to help define that it's pretty similar to the previous fans except there's a bridge between every set of two blades in theory just from kind of looking at it and thinking about it it seems like the purpose of this would be to direct the air straight down into the pcb a little bit more and have less airflow out the sides of the fan off the edge of the blade and into the wall of the cooler for example so testing will reveal how that works obviously msi historically has actually had pretty competitive card designs not always the rtx 2000 series the 16 series and the amd 5000 series were lazy at best because the thermal pad solutions didn't really contact the memory modules properly or fully and doing a few dollars of modding on msi's cards like the evoke series which it later sort of fixed it would often significantly improve performance so msi has a lot of ground to make back up from its 10 series where with the 10 series msi really killed it with the 1080ti gaming x and the armor was one of the absolute worst coolers ever shipped with the 1080 ti but it was a gamingx pcb which made the armor awesome for water cooling and hybrid mods and things like that so they've had some good ones but it's been a while msi claims that it has totally cool core pipes uh but it doesn't share any information on them it appears as if the design will potentially be one larger heat pipe centrally with a flanking set of three smaller ones but we don't think that images to scale the fin stack has some small hood scoops on it this is supposed to help with acoustics and harmonics but you start getting into small features just like ebj's through-hole like pin holes in the heat sink where it starts to get difficult to really verify how much that matters but that's one of the features they were pointing out msi's thermal pad photo listed well render listed under the thermal padding section shows a full coverage pad on the memory modules this is following up msi's thermal pad issues on the amd and nvidia cards which it has acknowledged and attempted in some cases to improve uh so they made similar claims back then we'll have to actually open one to see if that's true this time although almost certainly we will be buying these cards ourselves or asking for our viewers to loan them to us because there's no way ms is sending us anything right now thermal pad contact though is definitely something we need to look into and is suspect based on previous generations the card claims quote ample amounts of thermal pads to allow various board components to transfer heat directly and so forth so hopefully they have improved uh that said because the website is broken we'll just move on to another broken website last time we reviewed a zotac card it was the company's rtx 2080 ti extreme if memory serves and that cooler didn't even contact most of the components on the board it was simultaneously one of the heaviest and largest coolers physically and also one of the least effective for that generation we also got blacklisted by zotac for our 980 ti review several years ago that demonstrated other issues with the cooler design despite having several years of good coverage of positive coverage about the things that detect actually did properly anyway though this is another one we'll have to buy or borrow to review if you buy one of these contact us via tips at gamersnexus.net let us know uh we'll potentially borrow it from you and pay for the shipping both ways send you a mouse mat or something like that anyway fortunately for the length of this video and well zootech uh there's not much on this website either it has several broken overview sections that load nothing and go to forbidden pages so we're limited on information zotac announced technically seven cards today but only three of them have any details the new lines are called trinity which is a three fan cooler and a huge uh cooler solution and then twin edge which is a much smaller dual fan design zotac has historically been pretty good to the mini itx or small system market by offering these smaller cards and out of the three companies we've looked at so far this is the smallest one out there the twin edge still runs taller than standard slot height though so this will limit its usefulness in many itx builds even though it's at least shorter the company's extreme line also returns in the form of the rtx 3090 amp extreme and 3080 amp extreme hopefully this time with a cooler that actually contacts something and it seems to make use of additional rgb we're not sure if the greenish tint on the left side is plastic housing or some sort of digital rgb effect but that's the distinguishing feature zotac's website where it does work says that the quote hollow black cards have an inspiring electroplated workmanship on a translucent flourish so that's probably what it is if anyone can tell us what that means that'd be great but that's probably what that thing is anyway the word holographic here implies that maybe it's most likely a materials change as you would typically see in foil or holographic anything rather than an led change but there is value to having a unique looking design we'll definitely credit them there we do need to see a lot from zotac though the twin cards make the most sense for smaller builds thus far zotac is uh probably going to venture further into that space normally it does gigabyte is often one of the other companies that will make those smaller cards pretty early in the release cycle of a new gpu and then finally the back plate in the trinity cards uh that has an rgb led strip that runs through it and hopefully the back plate's a metal one but it does have two small vents on either side flanking the gpu backside not a ton of ventilation but something there at least zotac also claims a metal supporting under frame which you'd typically refer to as a base plate on the top side or back plate on the rear side and in early renders the design looks like that's potentially more structural and less for a thermal solution but it could certainly be used for both it just depends on how zotac decides to connect that plate to the card a lot of the time you'll see these base plates acting as structural support mostly to try to limit to the extent possible the flex of the pcb also known as sag and they'll often leverage that device that's there for structural reasons to uh sync the memory modules if it's not going straight into the gpu's shared cold plate as well so we'll have to if we get one take it apart and see what that is asus is next and appears to have some actual photos of cards not just renders the cards are in the dual strix and tough lines that asus has had previously the tough line has had a pretty tough time the last few years mostly for poor execution of the cooler but we're told that asus engineers have taken the feedback seriously to improve upon for this generation so we'll see in testing the one thing that we did immediately notice was a dual bio switch on most of the cards in the photography this has a performance mode and a quiet mode that's typically what the companies do most realistically this is useful for modding or if you happen to find a power unlocked bios or relatively unlocked bios you can try loading it on without much of a downside as long as you only ever flash one bios you can always flash the other one back if you happen to break it with a bad bios or something so it's nice to see certainly some of the other cards we've already talked about like the high-end ones will also have dual bios but we just haven't seen the switches in many of the photos yet the strix runs a three fan design it has similar fans the past generations of strix coolers the fins for the fin stack are oriented top to bottom and aim exhaust towards the side panel and the motherboard the card doesn't try to do too much fancy and stays closer to the roots of just being a large brick with a heat sink and a pcb it's a two slot pcie bracket but the card itself is definitely larger than that and that's based on the shroud protruding past the bracket the top of the card has an rgb led strip along it for the strix while the tough model has a more simple led for its tough branding logo and some tire tracks on the back presumably from when it got run over by reviewers like upside down steve over at hard run boxed in the previous review cycle and that takes care of that we noticed that the back plates and the pcbs on these cards also don't extend to meet the full shroud width so this allows for some room for air to blow through the heat sink again we're going to keep saying this but that is not new it's not unique and viti didn't invent it we've reviewed plenty of cards in the past that have fins which extend past the pcb and fans that blow through them now a lot of the time the companies the thing we've most often talked about is when the companies will still leave the backplate obstructing that air so it's like you just throw away the whole reason you do that design but it seems like nvidia's maybe had a hand in kind of telling the companies hey you should do this thing because they're all talking about it this time anyway the dual from asus is its smallest card and the photo allows an angle where we can see that it's at least two and a half slots if not more like 2.8 this should be one of the cheapest models from asus and one of the more traditionally sized ones although it still exceeds standard pcie slot height and so eliminates itself for more restrictive itx cases the top runs a 2 by 8 pin setup dual runs 2x8 and strix has 3 by 8 pin connectors as for gigabyte gigabyte announced four cards at the time of filming based on two cooling solutions like its motherboards gigabyte is employing its master and extreme brands for these two cards thus far the coolers for them the gigabyte master design is a tri-axial cooler it has two 115 millimeter fans towards the right side of the pcb and then one 100 millimeter fan that is on the left side this isn't really that new for gigabyte they've done this in the past most recently they've run one smaller fan centrally and then the two larger ones at the outer edges gigabyte also runs these in opposite directions also not new for the company this is just gigabyte's unique spin on how it tries to market its cooler so the arrangement has the smaller one on the left this time that also has it probably over half of the vrm and maybe that makes more sense for this particular generation like some of the other partners gigabyte also has a hole through its backplate to allow for air to exhaust towards the cpu tower cooler but once again this isn't all that different from previous designs it's just getting called out more explicitly this time the master looks like it's making use of digital rgb leds on the backplate judging by the renders and it has an oled readout with the gpu temperature displayed in its early renders we'd assume that this can be changed for other information but we don't have a full documentation yet now interestingly gigabyte with its website that actually works has additional information on the cooler design so they're going with a vapor chamber for direct contact to the gpu this will be primarily interesting for doing pressure testing because vapor chambers have columns of copper within them for structural support and cooling and uh that depending on how it's executed can be potentially misaligned with where the gpu is as we've seen with some of the amd cards in the in the past but typically it's they most often get it right since it's kind of a basic thing uh that'll be something we'll be looking at though so vapor chamber for that for direct contact to the gpu the render makes it appear as if maybe a base plate is used for memory but we'll have to take it apart the vapor chamber feeds into the heat pipes and then the more traditional fin stacks everything's pretty standard here and we can see an aluminum fin stack on either side as well that's explicitly where the vrm would be located the extreme on the other hand is massive easily one of the fattest video cards we've ever seen it it looks like something you'd find at the scene of like a bludgeoning it's not not a light car this thing is thick enough that it should hopefully be able to run passively under uh some moderate amount of load like not full load but if they can do 60 80 watts passively that wouldn't be all that surprising and would be a potential upside but it's gigantic at least from the renders so it's the fattest heat sink we've seen thus far today uh this is equipped with only two by eight pins for the power that's plenty in almost all circumstances but just sort of interesting that of all the things to to all the marketing arrows to shoot at this particular box the three by eight didn't make it so two eight pins that's fine uh fat cooler short pcb allowing air to flow through to the rear of the card and it's also got an oled on it so that's it for this one thanks for watching that'll recap you on most the basics for the cards and the coolers this is a really heavy push from the partners this time it's been a couple years since nvidia's put out a card uh about two years now and the last round the 2000 round really was sort of its first foray into this particular approach to its gpu design so it seems like there was a lot of a lack of interest last time then a lot of interest this time so we wanted to round them up you can expect us to be reviewing a lot of these and should subscribe to catch that of course you can go to store.gamersnexus.net if you'd like to prepare for upcoming pc build and buy one of our gn wireframe mouse mats which is a desk size mouse mat highly popular we have had trouble keeping them in stock but we've actually got enough finally we got a little bit ahead so you've got some time if you want to pick one of those up otherwise the media mod mats are also in stock you can go to patreon.comgamersnexus as well thanks for watching we'll see you all next time the

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Length: 27min 25sec (1645 seconds)

Published: Wed Sep 02 2020