Could Russia Win a War Against NATO?

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So this was written before we knew the Russians were incopetent.

In an agreement with Russia as part of the Russia-NATO founding act, we agreed not to station large numbers of troops in the Baltics or anywhere else in Osteuropa, opting for a "tripwire" system.

After what happened in Bucha with all the rape and murder, NATO has decided a tripwire is insufficient, and there will be a large, permanent NATO presence in eastern Europe, with significant tactical capability, including land-launch tomahawk stations.

👍︎︎ 71 👤︎︎ u/OllieGarkey 📅︎︎ May 01 2022 🗫︎ replies

Those 50.000 Troops are NATO troops by the way, they are "insufficient" to stop 150.000 Russian troops.

👍︎︎ 32 👤︎︎ u/dave3218 📅︎︎ May 01 2022 🗫︎ replies

Oh no! Actually having logistics and support personnel, what a recipe for disaster!

👍︎︎ 14 👤︎︎ u/breakinbread 📅︎︎ May 01 2022 🗫︎ replies

The fact the narrator is ex military as well lmao

👍︎︎ 7 👤︎︎ u/Dem_Nachos 📅︎︎ May 01 2022 🗫︎ replies

infographics is HIGH KEY a Russo-Sinoboo

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/FM2Wildcat 📅︎︎ May 02 2022 🗫︎ replies

I was ready to be all triggered snowflake at first lols, but then the video was like, yeah after initial successes, they get all their planes shot down and SAMs and logistics blown to hell, which even if they didn't, said logistics wouldn't be able to support the war. We see in Ukraine they failed here, here, here, and there, so after a couple bloody weeks the entire Russian war machine that hasn't been shot to shit surrenders or retreats...

SO way to Credible an analysis haha

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/JimHFD103 📅︎︎ May 02 2022 🗫︎ replies
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It's a possibility that NATO is eyeing as an  increasing likelihood given the invasion of   Ukraine. What was once thought impossible, is  now at the forefront for every member of NATO-   could Russia really declare war on the alliance,  and could it win? To answer the question we have   to imagine an alternate timeline where Russian  forces weren't bogged down in a never-ending   fight for Ukraine, and instead opted for  a more direct provocation against NATO. February 24th, 2022. Russian forces have been  involved in a large-scale exercise with their   allies in Belarus- but this has been a front  to allow Russian forces to stage closer to   the NATO countries of Lithuania, Latvia,  and Estonia. At 06:00 local Moscow time,   Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin releases a  pre-recorded message relaying his intention   to declare a special military operation meant  to bring NATO aggression to heel. Right on cue,   Russian missile strikes begin to rain  down across Lithuania, and Latvia. The first targets are military bases and  airfields. The attack isn't a complete   surprise to NATO though, and missile  defense systems begin to knock Russian   missiles out of the air. The Russian volley  is overwhelming and with a hit rate of 60%,   missile strikes saturate military targets  across both Baltic nations. Dozens of NATO's   forward-deployed supply caches are destroyed,  along with several key supply depots. Russia's long-range targeting  capabilities however are deficient   due to the 2014 sanctions against it and  the banning of dual-use technology that   crippled its space surveillance network. While  many missiles hit their targets, many don't,   often hitting civilian targets instead. After  a blistering barrage lasting a half hour,   Russia has failed to completely cripple  the command and control or air defense   networks of the two countries, and over  half of the air fields remain operational. In the air, Russian planes piggyback on the  missile assault. Thanks to NATO's superior   long-range surveillance capabilities, its air  forces are not caught completely off guard,   and several combat air patrols have been on  constant rotation ever since the military   buildup along Russia's western military  district and Belarus. But the incoming   wave of air power is overwhelming for the  few defenders in the sky, and from damaged   air fields across the Baltics NATO fighters  are being rushed for combat. Their pilots   however have to be recalled to base from their  homes or barracks, adding to the response time. The few fighters NATO manages to get into the  air engage Russian targets with stand-off attack   long-range air-to-air missiles. These missiles  allow NATO air forces to operate from well   outside the envelope of Russian ground-based  air defenses, which ring the Baltic states.   The first combat casualties of the  Russian-NATO war are Russian planes,   but there are too few defenders and too many  attackers to significantly stem the incoming air   attack. With long-range missiles expended, NATO  fighters are forced to move to positions just   outside the threat range of Russian S-400 and  other mobile air defenses, engaging Russian   fighters sent to neutralize them until forced  to retreat to air fields in Latvia. With the   missile onslaught and Russian air defenses in  Kaliningrad on Lithuania's southern border,   any surviving NATO aircraft can only be guaranteed  some measure of safety further north in Latvia. But NATO has plenty of air defenses left  operational even after the opening missile   barrage. In our real world, Russia proved  unable to neutralize Ukraine's air defenses   in its opening wave of attacks despite having  far superior air and long-range striking power.   In this scenario, Russia is committing  far more forces to the attack,   but also facing far more sophisticated and  better equipped defenses. As Russian planes   are blotted out of the sky by air defenses, the  Russian air offensive is briefly halted. Instead,   more limited strikes against air defense  networks are carried out by long-range   stand off weapons. However, Russia has a limited  availability of smart weapons and its targeting   capabilities are far inferior to NATO. Many air  defense sites are destroyed or heavily damaged,   with anti-radiation missiles taking  out all-important air defense radars-   but defenses on the more western  parts of the Baltics remain intact. Within minutes of hostilities, NATO's Very High  Readiness Response Force has been activated.   Soldiers on leave or at home are being recalled,  and a 5,000 strong response force of special   forces, infantry, armor, and artillery is  being assembled for immediate deployment.   Within 48 hours they will be on the  ground in the Baltics, ready to help   stem the Russian onslaught. A few days later  they can be joined by NATO's Response Force,   a rapid response force of 40,000 that includes  combat air power and air-support components. NATO maintains a contingent around 1,000 strong  of forward-deployed forces in the Baltics,   and with the military buildup by Russia in  recent weeks, this has been strengthened   by an additional few thousand, along  with several dozen aircraft. However,   this is far insufficient to stop a Russian  onslaught of 150,000 troops, even with Latvia and   Lithuania's approximately 50,000 strong military.  Of that number, not all are actual combat troops,   with many being support and logistical personnel,  so NATO's actual combat power in the ground   numbers at barely over twelve thousand. Of more  critical concern is the lack of tanks, though   Latvia and Lithuania both field nearly a thousand  armored vehicles with some anti-tank capabilities. As Russian troops cross the border, NATO forces  are ordered to retreat rather than engage the   invaders. NATO's top general, Supreme Allied  Commander General Tod D. Wolters is aware of   the massive mismatch in forces across the Baltics.  This exact scenario has been wargamed extensively,   and the only chance NATO has of holding off the  Russian military long enough for its response   force to arrive, is to force the Russians into  fighting in major cities where the terrain   favors the defender and Russia's overwhelming  firepower can be largely neutered. However,   it has always been accepted that it was  strategically impossible to guarantee   the security of the baltic members of NATO,  given that stationing enough troops to do   so would have required massive commitments  of forward-deployed soldiers from across   the alliance, a costly proposition.  And a hugely destabilizing move that   would have guaranteed a conflict between  Russia and NATO much sooner than this. NATO will fight as best it can to hold  the Baltics open for as long as possible,   but its main response force already has  plans to launch a counter-attack from Poland,   planning for the fall of Latvia and Lithuania  within the first few days of fighting. Already   Polish troops are digging in for an assault from  either Kaliningrad or Belarus, but such an assault   won't be forthcoming- Russia's strategy to break  NATO is to target the relatively undefended Baltic   states and then simply dig in. NATO will then  have to decide if it wants to invoke Article 5   of the alliance's charter stating that an attack  on one is an attack on all, knowing they'll be   fighting an offensive war against an entrenched  enemy in a conflict that could turn nuclear. Russia is betting that NATO's resolve is weak, and  it won't risk escalating the war. The assurance of   mutual defense is a bedrock principle of NATO, and  should it fail the alliance could be splintered.   The United States, Poland, and the United  Kingdom are staunchly committed to invoking   Article 5 in any case of hostilities, but other  member nations may not be as committed to waging   war for countries many of them weren't happy about  joining NATO anyways. Some of them, like Germany,   have deep financial ties to Russia already,  and an end to Russian energy for Germany will   be economically catastrophic. Only the coming days  will determine if NATO invokes Article 5 in full,   but for now what's sure is that even if Russia  is just facing Poland, the UK, and the US,   it's still facing a significantly powerful  force- the US just has to get its firepower   to Europe first, a process that  will take weeks to fully mature. In our fictional scenario though, the US hasn't  been blind to Russian buildup of forces along   its western military district and in Belarus. In  this scenario an invasion of Ukraine was possible,   but the buildup of forces and supply depots  along the borders with the baltic states   tipped Russia's hand weeks ago. Still,  the US has delayed deploying the bulk   of its firepower to Europe in hopes of  not destabilizing the situation further,   but that doesn't mean it hasn't taken steps to  move a significant force to its bases in Germany.   A large contingent of its air power has also been  moved to bases in mainland Europe and the UK,   and is now preparing for combat  with the Russian air force. This has been a conflict the US Air Force  has been waiting for for a very long time.   Its F-15 Fighting Eagle was designed to  kill Soviet Migs, but today it's more   than capable of sweeping the skies clear  of Russian fighters. The US's F-35 fleet   isn't fully operational yet, but dozens of the  advanced, stealthy planes are ready for combat,   and as the Russians will soon find  out, are absolutely game-changing. NATO strategy is simple- draw the Russians into  NATO territory and away from their logistics   hubs inside Russia and Belarus. Logistics has  always been the Russian military's weakest point,   and in our real world a lack of logistical  support has severely affected the Russian   military's ability to fight in Ukraine. This is  because Russian forces are simply not capable,   by design, of fighting major land  offensives far from their own borders. This sounds strange given that Russia's greatest  potential conflict was a major land war in Europe,   so it seems like it should be something that  the Russian military would be prepared for.   Yet for all the focus on new hypersonic missiles,   overwhelming amounts of artillery,  thousands of tanks and APCs, etc. etc.,   the Russian military has failed to learn the  lesson it has been forcibly taught over and   over again throughout history: a military  can't fight without fuel, food, and ammo. Russian logistics focus on rail transportation,  with an incredible capability to move troops and   equipment within their own borders quickly  and efficiently. Russian internal logistics   are probably some of the best in the  world, and they even have an entire   corps dedicated to railway transportation-  its building, repairing, and maintenance. But Russian railways stop at the Soviet Union's  old borders. That's because Russia uses a wider   gauge railroad track than the rest of Europe,  meaning that their plan to resupply forces via   railroads stop at the Baltics and Ukraine.  Adjustable carriages do exist, but engines   cannot be made adjustable to fit both old Soviet  rails and newer European rails- thus Russia would   have to seize European engines to drive their  railroad carriages into Europe proper. But NATO   would never allow these engines to fall into the  hands of the Russians for exactly this reason. But whether delivering supplies to a railhead  their trains can actually reach, or deeper into   Europe with seized European engines, Russia  still has a serious problem with logistics-   mainly that there aren't enough logistics  personnel or equipment for the job of supplying   all of its forces. Each Russian combined arms  army is allotted a single material-technical   support brigade. Each material-technical  support brigade has two truck battalions   with a total of 150 general cargo trucks with 50  trailers and 260 specialized trucks per brigade.   The further an army moves from a railhead, the  less trips that its resupply trucks can undertake,   increasing the total length of time for resupply.  At the current number of trucks available,   there are simply not enough trucks for operations  more than a few dozen miles from a railhead,   and that's before taking into account losses  due to enemy activity and equipment breakdown. Take for instance, Russia's heavy use of rocket  artillery. Each Russian army has approximately   56 to 90 multiple launch rocket systems, and  resupplying a single launcher takes up the entire   bed of a truck. So if the entire MLRS force fired  just one volley, it would require up to 90 trucks   solely for resupplying its ammunition. Those  trucks can then not be used for anything else,   like for example ferrying the fuel the MLRS need  to drive to a new location, or food, water, and   ammunition for the men manning those systems. Just  a Russian army's MLRS attachment is already taking   up a significant amount of Russia's logistical  capabilities, leaving the rest of its forces-   tanks, APCs, infantry, tube artillery- with  much less trucks for their own resupply needs. And again, this is before taking  into account the fact that Russian   logistics will be under constant  enemy attack, or that resupply is   further diminished the further from a safe  railhead that the Russian offensive moves. In our hypothetical scenario, NATO  understands this all too well,   and that's why as their forces retreat to  pull the Russians deeper into NATO territory,   special operations forces launch raids against  Russian supply convoys before melting back into   the countryside. NATO's strategy is to put up  a mobile defense that keeps the Russians firing   and burning gas, but places a tactical  victory always just out of their grasp.   Russian units are equipped to be  independent of resupply for 3-5 days,   but in intense urban combat those figures shrink  dramatically to just three days at best. By the   dawn of the fourth day of fighting, Russian forces  are forced to cease their advance towards Riga,   starved of ammunition, food, water, and fuel.  In Lithuania though they have managed to capture   Vilnius, though partisan fighters are making the  Russians suffer in street-to-street fighting. With superior reconnaissance capabilities, NATO  is able to pinpoint Russian air defenses and send   Wild Weasel aircraft on a mission to destroy them.  Taking from the example of Russian performance   in Ukraine today, these Suppression of Enemy Air  Defense missions succeed with astounding success.   For longer-range S-400 and older S-300 batteries,  F-35s equipped with glide bombs are able to   overwhelm their missile defenses and destroy them  without the S-400 ever getting off a single shot.   Loitering Migs defending from air attack  are likewise unable to pick up the F-35s   until they get to within close range, which  very few manage to do without getting blown   out of the sky. However the number of F-35s  is limited, which is where their capability to   network with non-stealthy 4th generation planes  comes into play. With their advanced datalinks,   F-35s are able to guide to target bombs and  missiles fired by non-stealthy planes, who can   carry out attacks far outside the threat envelope  of Russian defenses. The results are devastating,   and though a dozen F-35s are lost in combat,  Russian air defenses are savagely mauled. The greatest factor in NATO's success however is  Russia's own incompetence. Our real-world invasion   of Ukraine has proven that the modern Russian  military is nowhere near the formidable beast   that Europe has feared. In fact, they're barely  capable of carrying out modern combat operations,   and it's only their overwhelming numbers that  are seeing them slowly defeat Ukraine's forces. On the tactical level, we have seen time and  again as Russian tank commanders don't make   use of dismounted infantry to protect  their tanks from anti-tank kill teams,   leading to numerous deadly ambushes by Ukrainian  forces using NATO anti-tank missiles. We have   also seen as Russian forces practice no  discernible convoy security procedures,   with their convoys often coming to a complete  stop at crossroads and other danger crossings,   and without deploying security elements  on their flanks to delay an enemy attack   and allow the convoy to push through. Even their  ability to prevent friendly fire incidents through   discipline and communications is under question,  as more than once Russian units have engaged in   full-blown battles between each other, much to  the observing Ukrainians’ delight. Perhaps most   baffling of all is the destruction of Russian air  defense inside a convoy by Ukrainian aircraft-   even when at a complete stop for several  hours, their Russian crews never bothered   to turn on their radar and scan for threats. This  scenario has also repeated itself numerous times. Lastly, we’ve seen time and again how Russian  forces fail to properly respond to Ukrainian   ambushes. When caught in an ambush, the proper  procedure is to either fight out of the ambush,   or assault through it. Instead, Russian forces  are often seen scattering in a panic, while their   comrades who stayed behind to actually assault the  ambush are obliterated one by one. Forces outside   of the ambush zone are commonly observed to either  drive away in a panic, or come to a complete stop   and begin to back up. Instead, forces outside an  ambush should be deploying for a flanking assault   on the ambushing enemy force, neutralizing the  threat to their comrades stuck in the kill zone. All we have seen so far in Ukraine is indicative  of one thing: the Russian military is largely   poorly trained. But they’re also operating  equipment in various stages of disrepair.   Some units enjoy more modern, well-maintained  equipment, and are appropriately deadly,   but many others seem to be suffering from  serious maintenance and modernity problems.   Russian tanks for instance are being  savaged by Ukrainian infantry armed   with anti-tank missiles not just because  of poor tactics in their deployment,   but also because they lack active  protection systems such as TROPHY,   which an increasing number of US combat vehicles  are equipped with. They seem to also lack   environmental sensors to help them pinpoint  the source of an attack, leading to confusion   and panic after an attack only made worse by poor  discipline, training, and ever-shrinking morale. Often vaunted for its electronic warfare  capabilities, the Russian military has   proven itself incapable of securing its own  communications in its invasion of Ukraine.   As it turns out, an astonishing number of Russian  units operate on completely unsecured radios.   This has allowed the Ukrainian military and even  amateur radio operators to interfere with and   jam Russian radios. Ukrainians have hopped onto  Russian frequencies to insult their invaders,   play the Ukrainian national anthem on  repeat for days at a time, and even   jammed the frequency with white noise revealing  messages or images when analyzed digitally. Against NATO, unsecured communications  spell disaster for the Russian military   as NATO electronic warfare operatives  don't just jam Russian communications,   but actively use them for sabotage. False orders  are relayed over unsecured radios, causing entire   Russian units to move out of formation or even  launch attacks against phantom targets. Fluent   Russian speakers wreak havoc on Russian forces  simply by hijacking their unsecured comms,   but because they must be very close to the front  line to do so their effectiveness is limited. As NATO's response force finally prepares for  a proper engagement against Russian forces,   their air forces launch a devastating assault from  the air. American B-2 stealth bombers penetrate   into Russian air defenses to destroy important  communication hubs and surveillance radars,   throwing air defenses into disarray.  Much like in the first Gulf War,   when Iraq used air defense networks  modeled after Russia’s own,   these precision strikes by stealthy aircraft  prove to be crippling for the air defense   capabilities of Russian units. Add in serious  resupply problems after constant missile and   air attacks against Russian railways  and strategically important bridges   and the Russian army's capability to defend itself  in the air falls largely to its aerospace forces. But here too NATO has the advantage. Russian  pilots struggle to keep a 120 hour flight time   minimum per year, while NATO pilots regularly  fly nearly twice as many hours to maintain   their proficiency. Maintenance problems  also affect the Russian aerospace forces,   in our real world we saw two Russian  aircraft simply fall out of the sky   on the first day of the Ukrainian  invasion due to maintenance issues,   and across the broader Russian air force we  can expect similar levels of unreadiness. But it's better avianics, sensors, and  longer-range anti-air missiles coupled with   a sprinkling of F-35s that proves decisive in the  sky. In the largest air battle since World War II,   NATO forces wrest control of the skies  over the front away from the Russians,   resulting in dozens of casualties on both sides.  This opens up the greater use of air support to   attack Russian army formations though, and  here again another of NATO's strengths over   Russia comes into play. Very few Russian pilots  have multirole experience, while NATO pilots   regularly fly both air superiority and air  strike missions. For a NATO plane switching   from shooting down Migs to blowing up tanks is  as simple as switching the plane's munitions,   but Russian air forces must use dedicated  aircraft and crews for each mission. The lack of   flexibility hurt Russian forces badly in Ukraine,  specially in the opening days of the war, and this   is why historically Russia relies heavily on  artillery for fire support and not aircraft. Logistic problems have starved Russian artillery  of ammunition though, and even when fully supplied   Russian artillery is not very flexible. Needing  to always stay under an umbrella of ground-based   fire support has also significantly slowed  Russia's advance, while NATO forces can   better exploit tactical opportunities thanks to  their reliance on air power for fire support. Now NATO is on the offensive on  the ground, not just in the air,   and the final critical weakness of  the Russian military is revealed. NATO attacks Russian formations across multiple  fronts with smaller, much more maneuverable   forces. This exploits an inherent weakness  of the Russian Battalion Tactical Group,   which is its inability to coordinate  fire support against attacks coming from   multiple directions. A lack of maneuver  forces held in reserve also limits the   Russian BTG's ability to respond to  various new fronts at the same time. NATO's aggressive attacks across multiple fronts  throws Russian commanders into disarray due to   inherent limitations in their command and  control systems. Their electronic warfare   and direct-fire assets are formidable, but  incapable of focusing across a wide front.   By comparison, the decentralized command  structure of NATO forces allows them to   maneuver three times as many units  simultaneously, with each formation   acting semi-autonomously and pursuing  objectives and opportunities as they arise. The result is like a giant trying  to swat away hundreds of bees   attacking simultaneously. Where Russian blows  land, they are devastating, and numerous NATO   units are annihilated in fierce close quarters  combat. But while one front is being reinforced,   a completely different front is being attacked,  causing confusion and chaos at the command level.   NATO's own electronic warfare assets and fire  support only add to the quickly gathering fog   of war that the Russian chain of command  is suddenly finding itself fighting in.   As night time rolls around though, things  go from bad to worse for Russian forces. As observed in Ukraine, Russian night  attack capabilities are uneven and sporadic.   Many soldiers lack basic night vision, and NATO  tanks and armored vehicles have on the whole   more capable sensors and imagers. This allows NATO  vehicles to open up first, and from further away.   American Abrams’ 'silver bullets' prove  particularly deadly versus Russian armor,   just like they did against Russian tanks in the  first Gulf War. T-72s make up the bulk of Russian   armor, and while domestic models are better  protected than export models provided to Iraq,   the results are largely the same. T-90s fare  better against NATO's more modern tanks,   but there's simply too few of  them and the front is too wide.   The vaunted T-14 which was supposed to  revolutionize tank warfare never made it   into full-scale production thanks to sanctions  against Russia and its sputtering economy. The fight is not bloodless for NATO forces,  and casualties quickly climb into the thousands   after days of fierce fighting, with hundreds of  armored vehicles lost on both sides. However,   NATO operational superiority, higher morale,  better training, and largely more capable   equipment proves to be decisive. Perhaps more than  anything else though, it's Russia's logistics that   doom its military offensive into the Baltics.  NATO forces have been savagely attacking Russian   supply convoys, even at the cost of foregoing  attacks against tank and artillery positions.   NATO knows that it's far more important to disrupt  Russia's ability to resupply its forces than   to actually destroy said forces, and now with  Russian troops deep in the Baltics and far from   their rail network, their supply difficulties  increase exponentially with each truck lost.   The Russian military has been pressing civilian  trucks into service, but ongoing attacks against   supply convoys and even the destruction of public  roads makes resupply increasingly impossible. By a week of proper ground fighting between the  two sides, Russian troops are surrendering en   masse or abandoning their vehicles. We  saw this in our real world in Ukraine,   and continue to see it as Russia struggles  to fix its logistics problems. Ukrainian   forces have discovered entire convoys  of Russian tanks and APCs abandoned   due to a lack of fuel or food, their crews  trying to hike back to friendly lines. Against a far more capable force such as NATO,  these logistical problems become critical   vulnerabilities that spell disaster for the  Russian military. It's the same story across every   facet of the Russian military that has proven  to be, in the words of retired American Major   General Paul Eaton, “unexpectedly incompetent”,  and “incapable of combined arms warfare”. Stalin had a famous adage when asked about  the West's technological superiority,   “quantity is a quality all its own”.  That may have been true back in his day,   but today no amount of quantity can make up  for the Russian military's complete lack of   basic fundamentals. While a NATO-Russian  war would be devastating for both sides,   in a non-nuclear scenario Russia has proven  in its bungled invasion of Ukraine that it   has no hope of victory against the obviously  superior North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Now go watch What Would Happen If Russia Invades  Ukraine? Or watch this other video instead!
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