Conference President and His Son Fired for OTG - Interviewed by Pastor Daniel Mesa

i'm really excited today to be with pastor perry and his son japheth and they have a story to tell about what the lord has been leading them to experience in their own christian life through their own personal studies and what god has been revealing to not only them but to myself and people all around the world and so i would like to introduce uh pastor perry and his son japheth from honduras they're with us now and we're able to enter into this discussion talking about some of what they're going through and uh if you don't mind pastor perry maybe you can give us just a one-minute summation of who you are what you've been doing and and what you're planning to do well i'm actually a a fifth generation seventh-day adventist it was my uh grand aunt elizabeth gotsuru that brought the seventh-day adventist message to the bay island i worked as a pastor for over 35 years in uh corporate adventism and i have i've been president for two terms and i have also um i went i studied at andrews university first i was in belize high school uh college in jamaica and i did my masters in andrews my doctorate also and then i came back here worked on the bay islands as a pastor president of the conference departmental for education secretary of the conference and and uh and then i started studying uh you know i always had this doubt about uh this trinity and so i started studying and i started preaching and they simply did not accept that okay and so what uh the reality of what's going on in your life is something that also happened in my life and many other thousands of people around the world so now uh next to you is your son japheth maybe japheth you can give us a little bit about your story and how the lord has led you um into this interview and and what perhaps is going on in your future as well i have just finished my my studies in the philippines last year of theology right bachelor's in theology and i came just to work in the island last year the middle of the year 2019 and i worked for half of the year as a teacher and then the bigger the first day of this year then i'm not the first day of this year but the first day of work this year then i was laid off from my work because of preaching the truth right teaching the truth to the children yes so now i'm just working as a bible worker um among the brethren who believe right where are you working as a bible worker here on the island of honduras yeah rhoton okay so now let me ask you a question here japheth you said that you were um teaching the children about truth now i heard from your brother who mentioned that you had said or tried to read a chapter to the children and there was a response give us a little bit of that story if you don't mind well what i did when i wanna know what was going to be working in the school as a teacher i started to plan what i would teach the children and there are there are about six six different um year levels okay or periods that i would be teaching so i decided to what i would do as i would use um ellen white's history of redemption series to be my my text books you know for me to study i would teach out of that but i'll teach from the bible you know and so that's what i was using and i decided for every year level i would use one of these books and so i would if if i worked let's say six years or five years five years actually then the children would have would have gone through the entire bible because they would study the whole history of redemption right and so that was the plan and so i was looking through pictures and prophets prophets and kings the desire of ages accidentally apostles and the great controversy now with the with patriarchs and prophets it begins with how evil originated right how it all started yes and then it continues down with the creation with the fallen man and all of these chapters really explain how it all began you know how there's god there's his son and lucifer was envious and jealous of jesus who was equal with his father right and also received worship as his father receives and so as i started to present to the children how sin originated we had to go through this story right and so when i would teach them and i and i show them and this is an adventist school right at adventist high school and i read from this that school that's in honduras right is that where you were teaching okay yeah right here okay and um i started to teach teach them um this and also some of the other grades wanted to to know why sin originated as well and so i took these different classes or grades that wanted to know why sin originated i took them back to paychecks and profits and i reviewed that story i think it was about three three different classes or three different grades that i taught this topic to and as i go went through it with them those students that were catholic they would try to um oppose me let's say right and i would show them the truth and they would see that it was clean from the bible it can't you can't go against it right because it's from the bible but the adventist children who were taught in the trinity they were they were not so convinced right they just didn't like that topic and they kept asking but that's not what we would teach they kept saying this is not what we were teach this is not what our thought it's not what we were taught it's not what our bible teacher before had taught us and so i had problems with them and i tried to show them from the bible and i showed them verses but they just couldn't accept it they just kept saying that it was not what they were taught and so i i went through with them but i was called in to the conference and i was told not to teach this wow did they know you were teaching the first chapter of patriarchs and prophets and they told you not to teach that yes sir okay they knew and i shared also with the president of president of the conference but still it was they just told me do not preach it right and but i explained to them to not teach it was would be then to just not teach verses from the bible that are very important and to not teach what ellen white was divinely instructed to give to us and so i told them i could not keep silent on this topic it was something that the children needed to know why sin originated why satan was jealous of jesus but um but i was told not to teach it and so the year passed by and in vacation i went abroad i got married to my wife and when i came first day of work i was called into the conference and they told then they fired me that's that was it it was done the first day of work you were fired wow because of what had happened the year before right you were teaching what the bible says and what patriarchs and prophets says in chapter one that's outstanding congratulations by the way on your wedding that's wonderful i i hope it will be a great blessing to you and many others so brother perry i'm wondering if you would give me just a moment of your time as well help me to understand help us to understand what you were doing in light of working for more than 35 years in the conference as a pastor as the secretary of the conference doing various things in many ways what led you to this point right now what tell us about yourself well uh for many years i was i have been asking questions 20 years ago i went into the conference and spoke to the president of the conference who is the secretary of the union at the moment and i asked him a question and says could you explain to me the godhead and he just says no it's a triangle and you have god the father god the son god the holy spirit and without one of them you don't have god and we couldn't he could not explain what i was expecting of him so i left it at that and i continued to study about three years ago i was in the central church in roatan french harbor and they were discussing about uh the trinity and the teacher got up and he was talking about one plus one plus one equal plus one equal one and uh you know and bringing all of this thing in so i got up and i said could i have a word and then i spoke about john 3 16. i said for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and when i realized the members of the church could not accept that jesus was begotten you know they were always they were turning around and saying no but he's unbegotten and i says man this church has problem so um the the mayor of roatan his wife asked me to dedicate their children for them their grandchildren so i was invited to franchise church to do a dedication uh not long ago just the first part of this year and uh and i went and i did the dedication and when i was president the pastor of the church came and asked me if i would preach and i told him sure so i got up and i spoke about god i showed them from deuteronomy from isaiah from uh mark and uh first corinthians 8 6 and and i went on and showed them that there is one god and jesus christ is the son of god and the holy spirit is the spirit of praise and i made them read the versions i say you read the verse because you may think i have a different bible so i they read it and i ask them what does it say and they will tell me and i said that's exactly what it's saying and i preached and when i left there all of the members says will you please come back and preach to us will you be our pastor we need to hear these sermons and and well with the church the pastors off he went to the conference and all hell broke loose yes uh yeah this time they called me in to the conference and they asked me they told me don't preach that message you know please stop preaching about god that one god and and he read a text and he says you know we should be united and let's be united in the trinity i told them the bible doesn't have nothing concerning the trinity and you will have to be wrong and um and so they called me in about four or five times and i have tried to show them and in fact i have made them read the verses of scripture and then i will ask them what does that say and they will tell me what it says and then they will tell me but you are interpreting it different i said how i said exactly what it's saying and it was just they were just constantly telling me do not preach about that topic let's go out and form small groups and let's go and baptize but don't preach that topic that was constantly every time because they could not defend themselves wow and then they brought in a professor from montemarella's university they brought him to my home and to speak about right where i'm sitting now right here we were sitting down and uh he he came in and talked to the three administrators and the president of the uh the secretary of the union and the professor from monte morelos university came in and they started talking about the trinity and i i had told my wife i says you know something trinitarians does not believe that jesus christ is the literal begotten divine son of god and she says no i can't believe that you you're mistaken and i said and so i left her like that when the professor came in i asked the professor i says tell me something who is jesus to you he said jesus is god i says no he is the son of god he says no he is not the son of god if he was begotten he will have had to be the son of god in heaven and he was not the son of god in heaven and um and my wife looked at me i said you see what i told you i say you see what the thing i said how could we believe this nonsense it doesn't make sense you know yeah i have been from one thing to the next one thing to the next but neither have the union come down and spoken to me neither one of them have heard me preach a sermon never or teach a lesson never have they listened to me not even the president secretary or treasurer of the mission of the conference none of them have heard me preach but yet they have condemned me you know i had a similar experience as what you're just saying right now when i was brought up in front of the conference i suppose it was 2017 they had brought me to a situation where i was asked to be at a board meeting a local church board meeting and they wanted me to speak but i didn't want to speak because nobody had told me why i was even brought to the table right why was i even on the agenda nobody told me nobody said anything they just said you have been invited to be censured and you have the opportunity to speak on behalf of they didn't even say that they just said you have the opportunity to speak and so i chose not to well there was three of my brothers that spoke and then two weeks later there was another meeting and they gave us the opportunity to take a vote well we ended up taking a vote and the majority of the group at our local uh church they voted us not to be censured that was the five of us well four actually because one had resigned his membership and uh see the thing is we were chosen not to be centered by the local church but what happened in our situation is that the the conference leadership the president and i believe it was the secretary and a retired man that was with him maybe he was the person in regard to education i'm not sure exactly but anyways they decided they were going to take our church to the executive committee of the conference so that they could take the church status away from our local congregation and make it a church company and the reason being is once that church is a company they don't have any local authority the church board is gone the church board now is the executive committee for the conference and so when the executive committee took away the church status from this building or from this company then now they could make the decisions and they suggested that we be censured and then of course we got letters in the mail saying that you're censored but i had the same experience as you did whereas uh they went through all of this situation where they had never made a phone call to me they never asked me for any bible references they never to my knowledge heard a sermon they've never been in the pulpit or i mean in the congregation while i'm preaching and so it was really it seemed very unfair that they would come so aggressively against something that they didn't even study for themselves so that was your experience i mean what what more can you say about that right yeah um it has been uh the difficult part of it that you know the teachers you promote pastor you employ and people that lived in your home have become your bitterest enemies yes over the truth you know and i told them i says i cannot unite an error i would rather be divided in truth so i will and um and then well they have done everything but you know what has been difficult for them to they have never called me to a board i i begged them to take me to the board i told them i would love to sit down with all the pastors and let me present my my views or about my my the truth of god's word but they have never taken me to the board they have never sat down with the pastors and heard what i had to say you know and but for them to come to this decision first of all they had to destroy my character it's nothing that they have not said and done they have literally destroyed my character you know let me ask you a question you to my understanding have also lost your job right i mean are you any any are you employed any longer no no i'm not employed any longer they they uh they gave me they called me in and they gave me a letter of uh stating why i'm will be taken from the church and they gave me my my my final shot with me but you know an interesting thing listen to this they had a lawyer who is uh from the church of god oh wow they had a lawyer there to to do the final settlement and do the legal work for them so when they called me it was the three administrators that was inside of the um the conference room and i walked and when i got in there i saw a the lawyer i know him quite well he's a well-known lawyer in the island and in fact he is the pastor of the church of god and so we sat down we talked and i asked him a few questions concerning my the amount of money that was given me you know to make sure it was all right and uh and after that i said that that's all right uh bring me the check let me get what i came for and let me leave and when i was leaving the lawyer came to me and he pushed himself through the door with me he said can i have a word with you i said sure he said could we step outside in front of the conference so we went outside in front of the conference and you know what he told me he says i believe i have read everything you have posted on facebook i read everything he says and i believe everything you have said praise the lord the lawyer yeah he says i told my son he said he said i told my son she take this letter i mean take this information this is the truth look at it this is this is god's truth he says i and he he did like that he said i have no question about who god is and who jesus is he said that is quite clear now it's a mindless question i want to know more about the holy spirit i said i have two more presentations to make about jesus and god and then i will be presenting about the holy spirit he says no i want to come to your home and study with you praise the lord we met come to my home and study the lawyer that defended the conference don't believe what they believe that's amazing and you know it's it's incredible to know i've run into people like what you're talking about uh not lawyers specifically defending my case but i have been on the plane i have been in buses i've been on a train i've been with people in my car just the other day i picked up a guy that was walking on the side of the road i've been in the lines at the whether at the grocery store or just random places and and i'm very bold about telling what i believe because it's such a hot topic and it's going to be important at the end of time especially in regard to the seal of god in the mark of the beast and so i share this truth like it's the one that needs to be understood and people accept it they accept it as wow that's that really is what the bible teaches except for the greatest group that i've had trouble with has been the seventh-day adventist people because they have ellen white that uses third person right that third person concept is taken out of context it is not understood correctly but they're using it as though she believed in the third god but she didn't and that's why brother jacob you were finding a situation there where you were trying to present to the children something that you were explaining to them about how god and his son were the only ones that were in the counsels of god almighty and god the father had a rainbow surrounding both of them as you read in revelation chapter four and so what happens is you've got the scenario you're trying to paint out to these kids and they're saying no no but there's three right was that the problem that you were having the biggest problem is that people think we're just here in the world and we can be christians and we go to heaven are we are not christians and then we are lost and so even christians can live let's say a worldly life and they think that they are saved right and i was trying to show them what the whole problem is because they don't even understand what sin is where did it come from you know and i'm i was trying to show them what is the background of the great controversy you know there is a reason why satan was cast out of heaven right there's a reason why he's rebelling against god there's a reason why we should not be on his side right and there's also specific two specific persons whom we must adore and worship right god himself and his son jesus christ who he had he has begotten right and so this is something i wanted the children to understand because when we understand what the context that we are in the war that we are in then we understand that this thing this is real you know sin is real and we need to be on god's side we need to know who we are worshipping right and we need to know that here we only have access to the father through jesus christ his son we only see the father through his son jesus christ right one day you know the bible tells us we will see god but until then it is only through christ hallelujah okay good amen god bless you in your work i'm glad that you were able to share i'm sure those seeds have been planted and one of these days they're going to read that chapter for themselves and realize like wow that guy was right now so is there something else that you want to tell about your personal experience or perhaps you can share what it is your plans are for the future like both of you have lost your job recently like how recent was it for you japheth that was january january 16th or 17th 2020 right this year no that was january january yes 2020. and also my father said that the sermon that he preached was this year it wasn't this year it was last year that was last year yeah around the middle of the year a little past the middle of the year okay yeah so i just i heard you say this and i remember speaking with your other son the 18th of august this month where we're in right now is when you worked last is that correct um brother perry okay yeah that's that that's right and uh but you know i considers it an honor and a privilege to stand for god because if you don't stand and if i don't stand then who will christ have on earth to stand for the truth and you know there are many people you know i have spoken to teachers and to our pastors and me you know what they tell me that the subject of god is not important for their salvation and i say john 17 3 and this is life eternal that we know god and jesus christ whom that has sin it is absolutely important that we know who god and praise is and but i had a call just last night from a teacher and the teacher told me she says i am warned not to read your information but she says every day my son and myself we read your information and we have you we esteem you highly for the information that you are sharing you know but you know i see how god is working i hope people call me from sid vincent i had a letter from saint vincent i had i preached in saint vincent and we talked and she says pastor i know who you are i read your information every morning she says and i thank the lord and from i had a guy from uh uh pakistan he called me he says look here i he says so i understand that jesus is not god he is the son of god and i said that's exactly he is the son of god he said amen hallelujah he says i am a pentecostal but i accept that teaching amen and we're able to reach out with this truth in a way that is so fresh and so new because the entire world is wandering after the beast and his image you see the beast is trying to personate god the father with his image being the son and so we have the beast in his image and we have the father in his image which is jesus christ and so the beast in his image is doing everything he can around the world to try to deceive people but we are called by god to draw people into the truth as it is in his son jesus christ so that people are prepared to receive the mark of the seal of god rather than the mark of the beast right yeah you know in the future or what we are really planning well i need to retire but uh i'm working more now i'm studying more now than i ever did so god doesn't put any of us on retirement but anyhow our plans are i have three of my sons that are ministers yes one is in austria and i have two that are here and there is no work for them in our organization though they need pastors right now as we speak on the islands they speak both english and spanish but they have no no room for them but our plans are for the future that we do a ministry you know something probably like you are doing neder mansour are doing and uh he's purchasing and trying to get the equipment and eventually share the truth in this part of the world by going on on in through the media as you are doing and so forth you know because right now the media is very useful people are able to see this kind of thing around the world we're not going to have this media very long i believe the enemy is going to do everything he can to try to squelch what we're trying to do with all the censuring and all the you know taking down of websites and blocking people and you know mistreating them or demonizing them as you said they did to you but what i believe is happening is god is opening the door right now for us to be able to share while it is day because we know that the night comes where no man can work and so i'm really excited pastor perry and dear brother teacher professor if you will japheth we're very thankful that you guys are here that you've been able to share what it is that god has led you through and we want to be able to encourage you we want to be able to pray with and for you and if there's anything we can do to to help you please let us know now do you do either of you have a website or a contact information that you could lead us to that we could be able to perhaps follow you see what you're doing do you have a website uh rather youtube page or facebook give us some information well like my dad said we're starting to we're trying to start a ministry um i'm starting trying to get a youtube channel started but we haven't put any content up yet we have um on facebook a facebook page which is um the word and the testimonies the word and the testimonies and you can go on my facebook you'll see i share the posts and um my facebook is ja fit almond and there you will find the post that i'm i'm placing what we are posting and also my father has already started posting before me what we're doing we are translating um you know the the website trinity truth yes it has a lot of very nice um information and good information for sharing on facebook and what we're doing we're we're translating it to spanish and i'm also translating it to portuguese and we're posting it and we're starting with that now and then what we will do we'll make videos and and more content good praise god well that's wonderful i encourage you both to continue doing what you're doing and we're going to be praying for you we're going to be asking the lord to continue to lead and guide both of you and your sons as well brother perry knowing that they have the knowledge that god has given them but they don't have a place to work right now because of course truth is is not important right now to some of course the seventh-day adventist church in regard to who god is that truth is not important the false understanding of god the trinity is very important to them right now they're spreading that gospel the false gospel around the world as fast as they can and in fact in doing so they are foremost in reaching across the gulf to clasp the hands of spiritualism right and the other hand of course is holding on to rome because we know that spiritualism with the trinity and rome are all connected in the seventh-day adventist churches right there in that mix and so we're going to be praying for the adventist church as well trying to do what we can to help people to understand that what they have learned officially since 1980 is false it is not true about who god is but we're going to encourage you guys to go forward and do what it is that the lord has called you to do and we want to keep up with you so perhaps people can contact me to get a hold of you guys if they can't find out uh more information but i'm gonna look up japheth elwyn on facebook and also uh the word and the testimonies is that right the word in the testimonies okay so we're gonna do what we can to continue to share but if do you guys have any closing words for us let me just say that there are many seventh-day adventists in our churches here in roatan that believe the truth yes and the president just went to one of my churches and spoke with the leaders of the church and they told him straight you can send a pastor to this church but he will not preach on the trinity and this will take a strong stand we will not permit him to preach on the trinity so that we got strong members that's willing to stand for the truth so god's word is spreading you know warm way my son my youngest son just came from the philippines we were able to bring him from the philippines out of high cloth and he told me daddy in in the in the classroom at the university they are just speaking about the trinity everything is about the trinity around here every program every preaching service is about the trinity and the devil is working but god is working mightily also amen amen amen and i know that's true what is happening around the world is the enemy realizes he's losing ground so he's using the church pulpits to try to continue to keep asleep those that should be studying for themselves and coming to a better understanding that god the father has an only begotten son his name is jesus christ so do you guys have anything more to say any closing thoughts before we go well i just want to encourage our other pastors members of our church to remain strong anyone that will live godly in christ will suffer persecution we cannot expect to live pure lives teach the truth and do not wear a crown of thorns we have experienced it in my family they have attacked my family but we have nothing to dread we have nothing to fear for the future except we forget the way god has left us and his teachings in the past so we have nothing to fear god is great and he is he has blessed us tremendously i am just happy to stand for the lord and i beg everyone that stands for the truth let's remain steadfast god will give us our reward very soon is my prayers amen praise god thank you guys very much i really appreciate it would you please either of you would you be willing to have a prayer for us as we close oh okay please japheth go ahead our loving and our gracious father which are in heaven we thank you for this privilege to be here united with pastor daniel mesa for the privilege to be witnesses of the truth more we thank you because in this time of trial in these last days you have a people who stand up for the truth and we know that we are not alone there are people all around the world who are standing up for the bible true and we pray that you continue to impart your holy spirit to each and every one of them amen we pray that you work mighty love through us and help us to not stray from the truth but to continue faithful to your word and to the testimonies and to always stand up for the right for truth for duty even if it may cost us our lives we pray that you be with pastor dania mason his family and with our family as well and with all of your children throughout the world be with them bless them and prepare us all for the coming of our lord jesus christ this week in jesus name amen 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