Computer Building Tutorial

hello everybody and welcome into my latest live broadcast it is the 21st of october of 2021 and my name is carrie holzman thanks you guys so much for joining me today hopefully everybody can see and hear me okay we're going to try using uh stream yard once again i've been using them off and on throughout 2021 and i really love the service i really don't have a good excuse why i haven't been using it more so this stream is broadcast simultaneously simulcast on facebook youtube and twitch so thank you guys so much for uh tuning back in i am going to finish what i started at the earlier broadcast today which was testing this motherboard out and we kind of came to a inconclusive result which is we were not able to exactly identify or re what's the word um we weren't able to reenact the situation that a customer had had however sort of half of that we were able to confirm which is that these new network cards on some of the more modern motherboards are not automatically detected by windows 10 and you have to manually install a driver which is no big deal it's it's lovely when windows 10 puts all your drivers in for you but for first time builders it can really throw them and i've already demonstrated on a couple of past videos how to go about getting a driver if you're using a motherboard that windows 10 or even windows 11 doesn't recognize there were also some questions about windows 10 version 21 h2 that has not been publicly released yet it has been released to a um a preview ring so if people are in the preview ring of windows they will have gotten 21 h2 but it's not for general public release yet but should be soon i'm hearing november 10th however i think it's going to be earlier than that and as soon as it's released i'll let you know but that'll be the next big big update for windows 10. so hello to everybody in the chat hi mort mott and patrick russo and jeff h leon noel and ronald robertson matthew groff david a let's see trev ronaldo torres jason willis jim kj 3n michael dain joins us hey michael yes i was running a little bit late i apologize for that i was getting everything ready and realized i didn't have the cooler and i didn't have the power supply screws and i had to hurry up and make a decision so i ran a little bit late i apologize for that but what we're going to do this board already has the cpu installed in ram and storage and a windows 10 install with updates it's not been activated and uh i need to put a cooler on it and needs to go into this case along with the power supply it needs to get cabled up all the spare parts for the board the manual cables that are left over like sata cables because this is a return board to amazon this is one that didn't come back in a motherboard box and so we're just gonna put all the documentation and spare parts in a zip lock and include it i'll even include the cpu box just so i don't know just so um uh doug can have it and this is going to go to doug betts in fresno california doug has his own youtube channel if you're just joining and doug was the person who originally had to deal we had a customer reach out and ask him for help with a non-working network port on the motherboard brand new build now this board also has built-in wi-fi and the customer was using the built-in wi-fi and they didn't really need the network port to work but they just it's new so you know why isn't it working kind of a situation and i worked with doug on that i was on the chat in the chat room of doug's live video a couple weeks ago it was quite a bit more complicated than i thought it was gonna be i thought i was gonna be in and out in five minutes so because i was so intriguing i went on amazon i found they had a return board i bought it i wanted to re-enable reenact that situation uh yes windows 10 doesn't see the network card but that's not unusual for modern motherboards and the windows 21 h2 when it comes out and we make a new windows 10 installation media from that maybe that will resolve this that's yet to be determined but i don't have a lot of time to manipulate the board and try to to create that same scenario and i think since this was something you know doug got into and doug seems interested i think what we're going to do is go ahead and put the board in a case with a power supply get it all running we'll get it activated and updated and then i'm going to ship it off to doug and in return what i'm asking doug to do is just follow up with me anytime there's any news on the board if he discovers anything or even if enough time goes by where i've heard nothing that we just get a status update that it's all just working fine because i'd like to know if the board is okay to recommend or use for my own customers it's a it's a gigabyte wireless you know socket 1200 board designed for 10th generation and 12th generation intel chips if i had a 12th i'm sorry 10th and 11th generation if i had an 11th generation intel chip though i'd want the 500 series chipset i was a little thrown earlier because i had put the m.2 drive in the top m.2 slot and this motherboard has three and i had mentioned i was going to show everybody where it says that the top m.2 slot is not enabled basically it says it's for future use and i forgot to do that so i'm going to do it right now and just bring the motherboard up to the camera and present it to you it's right below the m.2 slot let's see if i can find it and it says reserved for future you see that so that m.2 slot when we installed the nvme drive in there it didn't recognize it so there's some discussion that if there was an 11th gen cpu in there that would be enabled for pcie gen 4 but i haven't confirmed that maybe doug will confirm it but below it there are two heat sinks and then there's an m.2 underneath that heatsink and there's another m.2 underneath that heatsink so you can still put 2m.2s in there you can see nothing has changed from the previous broadcast we're still using the core i5 10 600k i think it's a pretty good it's a very good processor especially for the price and we just need to put a good cooler on it that's all and then you know because it's a return board and because of the reason why i bought it regarding the discussion of there being an incompatibility with this intel ethernet adapter that's built onto the board i don't want to turn my customers into guinea pigs and i don't want to have to be called out on endless support calls where a customer really regrets buying a computer from me so by sending this off to doug and his willingness to sort of live with it and use it every day and also to intentionally try and recreate the scenario i think would be very beneficial for me and for all of us as a community to get that information and while doug is off doing that as well as his other stuff i can continue to do what i do and keep cranking out more computers and more videos so that's the plan that's what we're going to do and again a solid thank you over to doug betts for agreeing to this little arrangement i mean sure he gets a computer out of it but he may also be getting a headache or the computer may never have an issue you know what i'm saying so we don't know and the best way to test the computer is to simply use it there's no synthetic benchmarks that actually simulate real computer world use the way you would use it and each of you use your computers differently and while you all have some overlap like you're all watching youtube some of you may not be watching youtube on a computer you might be watching it on on a television or a phone which i suppose these days are still forms of computers but i mean this kind in any event um let me get the cooler installed then we'll get the motherboard and the power supply installed into the case and we'll fire up and if everything's good to go i'm going to do just very light cable management of what's necessary so the cables don't cause any damage in moving and shipping and then i can get it out to doug maybe on monday to fedex it should take about three days two or three days to fresno and doug will have it and we'll just wait to hear back from doug or follow up with him on if he's discovered anything and if there is a problem and he fixes it it's going to save me a headache if any customers in the future reach out with this issue and we already have the answers that would be ideal so that's why we're doing what we're doing and i think i am going to just start with opening this cooler and i suppose i really need to move the case out of the way right now because we're not ready for the case yet so let me just set this down here for a second and we don't need this up here and let's bring the motherboard up here now planet cryos recently did a great edit on how to install the hyper 212 evo now this hyper 212 is the black edition i bought this a long long time ago and i started really using the side coolers a lot more in the um the be quiet uh dark rock pure rock coolers as well as the nakua u12s i think is what it's called and so i never got back to these because they're just kind of discouraging to install they're more labor intensive to install but i just might be really lazy i laugh because yeah there's probably no might in there anyway the i like to be efficient i like to work quickly and these take a little bit more time to install but they're very good coolers very inexpensive they run about 30 i want to say 20 39.99 i think and um the other coolers i use run between 50 and 80 but they're just much easier to install that's all not that this one's that difficult it's just more difficult than their competitors or these particular competitors angel eyes contributes five dollars and says what's up everyone hey angelize thank you for your contribution we'll throw that up on the screen lane seed says hello from gilbert most of this is oth over the head is that oth but i love listening to you talk about all of this right on well thanks for thanks for joining us i i know lane so i'm happy to see lane and lane you need to ask dave when we're all going to get together i don't know go have dinner or something and talk about guns jason willis contributes two dollars as doubles super chat for the double feature it is a double feature isn't it yeah that's right hey thank you jason i appreciate it all right michael dane he says carrie where are you hiding at we going to find you well you should be able to see me right now i hope you're not uni can't see me i better check my youtube feed everybody can see me right you got me paranoid um where's my live feed over here i need multiple monitors because i have different feeds i'm looking at and i want to be able to see what you're watching too and this should be this should be working yeah okay i'm right up there i don't know what that was about i must have taken it out of context but uh we got about 140 people watching right now on youtube and um [Music] and the chat room is moving faster than i can read it oh okay you guys are confirming you can see me okay thank you well michael i guess the joke is on me all right all right so everybody can see me let's do the unboxing as i said i bought this a long time ago i like the idea that it's an all-black edition kind of a shame to use it in the core cr-200r case because there's no window on the case nobody's going to see it and the color is really just aesthetic it's going to install and work with the same performance here's how cooler master packs these things like i said it's a it's a group it's a good cooler i'm not gonna say it's a great cooler it's a good cooler and for a while it really didn't have any competitor in this price range everything else at this price was just didn't have the cooling performance that this does but now you know the nachwa and the be quiet and the um scythe they offer coolers they're a bit more money you know two to three times more money but they also cool quite a bit better and are a lot as i mentioned a lot easier to install however it's only difficult to install if you know the difference in other words if you've never installed an easy to install cooler you wouldn't know a difficult one that may not be entirely true but i didn't really think that one out before i said it in this white little box right here is all the mounting hardware you need for mounting the cooler onto either an amd or an intel chip and a contribution from don allen comes in for five dollars he says here's for another gatorade when that one on the desk is emptied well let me work on that thank you all right i appreciate that so in the box we've got a bunch of screws and brackets here can stout is saying hello sorry i clicked on that by mistake but it's all good um the rest of what's in the box we've got a fan splitter i guess if you want to hook two fans you can put a fan on on the other side of this so some of the parts that are in this bag are for an amd motherboard which we're not using so we won't use those parts some of the parts in this bag are for adding another fan like this to the other side it's overkill we don't need it adds more noise so we have what's called a push and pull configuration we're not going to use that so for example these metal brackets that are in this box apparently it's going to take two hands okay so that's the rest of the box this metal this isn't metal this plastic the corsairs corsair hype wow slow down cooler master has made some pretty significant changes here that i'm just now realizing this used to be metal and these fan brackets used to be plastic and now the fan brackets are metal and the back plate is plastic and i gotta be i gotta be honest here i liked it better the other way around it made more sense i'm not a big fan of these metal hangers these two metal hangers these are extras for adding another fan you'd have to buy separately if you wanted to do that we're not using it then when you plug in the other fan you gotta have another fan header or a splitter you know i'll keep the splitter i could use that for some other project someday i'll stick it in the drawer and you'll see it again on some build at some point in the future we've got documentation here which i don't think i need but if we if we need it it's here warranty information is here not quite sure how you deal with a warranty on a solid piece of metal i'm not quite sure how that works but i've never returned a cooler for warranty hi i have however had liquid cooler warranty issues but not air cooler warranty issues now if we dump out this little bag of parts here let's let's go through what we get okay first you get a bag then you get a couple of brackets like i said one set of brackets is for amd one set of brackets is for intel so either way you're gonna be having some spare parts and a lot of times people have spare parts they think oh i must have done something wrong nope that's just the way it's supposed to be you've got some little rubber washers in here this is for cushioning the fan so that it doesn't vibrate against the metal bracket here or against the metal heatsink and they're already pre-applied just like the wire hangers are already pre-applied here this is if you buy the extra fan separately this bag contains these little clips that are used in mounting the back plate apparently this i don't like this mounting technique at all so you know the black edition of the hyper 212 was supposed to be an improvement but it looks like they've gone backwards so what was already a difficult install they just made it more difficult with these little plastic pieces that go on the edges of this plastic bracket i really don't like that but it's my personal issue it doesn't have to be yours now in the rest uh the bag the last bag and the rest of the parts are in that bag here we've got a little socket here and we've got these bolts i don't know how well you can see this stuff there should be four of those and then we've got four of these little screws which are probably for use in an intel socket 2066 i don't think we use those then we've got these little standoff uh what do they call these screws they have a name they don't have any um they're smooth on top you can't put a screwdriver or anything on them they sort of the edges lock into the grooves on the plastic so it won't turn it's like a carriage bolt kind of a thing and then what's this there's like one screw that's just just one i have no idea what this is for they have significantly changed this whole installation method i was not prepared for this i thought i was going to be in and out real quick what are you going to do so worst case scenario i read the directions and as you can see the directions are pretty easy it's just a lot of pictures really hello yolanda sorry that's a a quote from the last starfighter if you're geek enough you can kind of catch some of these things i don't always point them out i'm not always aware i'm doing it anyway so we have instructions here and here they name what whatever these parts are called uh they're supposed to be two of those little screws i only found one where's the other one oh there's there's two of them right there okay anyway on these destructions let me bring it around a little closer to the camera so you can get a better view of what i'm looking at here we start all the way over here and this will tell you everything in the in the package and go to the next page this tells you again all the parts and where they're used and all the socket types this heatsink is compatible with we go over here we start prepping so prepping involves those little plastic clips i don't like going onto the edges of the plastic bracket and then putting one of these little standoffs in there to lock it in place ugh i mean on the other coolers like from scythe and uh be quiet and noxua this is already done all this piece here is one piece and you don't have to do this whole step the screws are already going through and and it just slides in so this whole step would be skipped and then they have you securing down the standoffs putting on the thermal compound you obviously have to take the fan off because you have to have access to these screws and then they make you oh that's what those little screws are for right there those screws are to attach these brackets now again on the competitors noxious will be quiet side these are already attached you don't have to do this step so there's a couple extra steps in this they're not like i said they're not that difficult to do they're just things you don't have to do with competitors but the competitors do cost more you pay for that convenience you know you can make your own dinner or you can go to a fast food place and get it there and the fast food place will almost always be more expensive than making it yourself right or even a frozen dinner it's more expensive you're paying for the convenience and if you made it yourself you know proportion you would uh obviously the restaurant's making money right so you'd save money if you made it yourself anyway if you save money on your cooler you're going to do a little bit more work to install it that's all i'm trying to get at okay okay now this is where my old eyes need a little help so i can look at the detail of the screws they're using so let me put my geek on you mean it wasn't on before shh anyway uh for intel anytime it tells you the socket is 115x that also works on socket 1200 which is what uh 10th and 11th generation intel chips are and it's it wants us to start with these little plastic clips i hate and it wants us to put it in the middle position this is so wonky uh all right let me just see what i can do here and i'll do my best to show you what this is as we as i approach these steps one two three four five six seven i don't know how old this thermal compound is i don't want to use it i'll use some fresh stuff okay so we have two different kinds of little plastic end pieces here and it looks like one the these uh let me just bring them to the camera and i'll show you i guess one is used for intel sockets and one is used for amd sockets yeah yeah that's what it is okay so these are the two pieces we're going to start with and so this bracket right here you see it's got all these prongs sticking out now you're going to use either these two or these two the outer two or the inner two and the same on the bottom okay it depends on if you're intel you use the outer two if you're amd you use the inner two you never use all four at the same time and if you notice it says next to this little bracket right here it says amd you see where it says amd and then it says intel where did it say intel other side maybe yeah on this side it says intel if the camera will focus there it is it's very subtle and the reason why we have two different size brackets does anybody want to guess we look at that one and you look at that one very different sizing right that's because see how wide this is this ain't going on there you see that that that's not happening not going to happen that's what this wider one is for right that wide one is going to go on there however direction it goes and it's going to lock onto that now this is for amd we're not building amd so these wide ones like this i don't need these so they're going to go in their little spare parts area over here and i want to move them out of the way so i don't overwhelm myself with parts so now i just have these longer narrower ones here and you'll see one side of this has a groove do you see the groove well that screw that that that carriage bolt i was talking about it's going to hit the edges of this and that prevents the screw from turning so we know the screw is going to go in this way and come out the other side just by looking at that we can tell now then the question is well does this piece go on here like this or does it go on here like this right that's well that may not be a difficult question to answer because it may only go on one way now that i've just tried it no it'll go on see this it's adds so much confusion you can put it on either way but it's only going to work the right way so here's the problem you need to really pay attention to the documentation which at this point there's really no words there really no written instructions other than each step is for each type of cpu and this is telling us that we want to use so again let me let me just bring this up and give you another look at it so you can see what i'm seeing and what i'm paying attention to i'm paying particular attention to the fact that those grooves are are up and the face the um the clip that's on the plastic end i'm putting on goes into the side with the grooves and then the bolt that that's going to hold in place is this one that says e and it that looks nothing at all this little diagram looks nothing at all like what the part looks like this is what they're trying to show you in the diagram this piece here with that square bottom that has no teeth on it that's supposed to be i mean you think they could do a little better with the drawing because if i'm looking at this without any prior knowledge i would think that e right there was one of these little screws right here doesn't that look like that to you but no that's not what it is it's just a bad drawing and you can verify that by simply looking at the parts here you can see that's g that i just showed you and this over here they're drawing is e it doesn't even look the same here this is also e well if i don't cover it up you can see it why does that e look so much different than that e this is e right here this is e right here right that's not just me is it so anyway what i'm gathering or what i'm paying particular attention to in these directions is that there are three holes at the end of that little plastic leg and i want to use that middle hole and it's really fine print right down there but it says if your socket type is lga 115x use the middle hole and the arrow points to the middle hull okay so i think we have everything we need to know to do this and you're like we do yeah yeah we do basically what it's telling us to do is to grab one of these little carriage bolts with the grooves facing up put the carriage bolt into the groove like this okay i can't turn it you understand why let me just show you a little close-up i want to make sure this is real clear the bolt or the carriage is gonna the carriage bolt goes in there and it's going to slide in between the groove and you see i cannot spin that screw and you say well that's going to fall out right well that's what this little plastic piece is for right here that's what's going to hold that in so you notice one side has the clip here right see the clip maybe if i can hold it without my fingers getting in the way that clip is going to hold the screw down and we're going to slide that over and there are three different positions that that can lock into and you can tell because there's three grooves for the clip to lock into we're in groove number one and if i keep pushing it down i will go into the next groove and if i keep going i'll be in the third groove we want to be in the middle groove so i push this down until i hear it or feel it click and now the screw is located in the proper location for our socket type which is socket 1200 or 115 could be 1150 151 155 1156 they're all the same socket size so uh all four of these edges that we've got here all have to be done just like that all of this is already done for you on the competitors that i mentioned earlier so that's why i say this is more difficult to install because of that you got to really pay attention to that so i'm going to go back over there and i'm going to finish the other three and it's going to match exactly and it's hard to tell if these are locked in or not you just kind of pull up on them i guess they don't really lock in they just sort of sit there but that's definitely the second position the first position you don't want the third position you don't want you want that's something like monty python three shall be the number of the counting so it shouldn't matter where you place the screw it's going to automatically be adjusted into the right location by this little plastic end cap just like that and then this is the last one here now if i were using a uh scythe or mugen i mean a scythe mugen or a noctua like u12s i would take this piece out of the box this piece would be made of metal not of plastic so it'd be much more solid it would already have these in there and all i would have to do my first step would be to take this out and put it here in the back of the board and i have apparently done something wrong because it's not lining up correctly so bear with me for a second because that should just slide in so the problem i'm dealing with right now is a problem i would not have with a more expensive cooler from the competitors it looks like um awfully close and i think it's just these little plastic caps are just not so precise that the screws are just they just need to be coerced just a little bit there we go and now that fits into the socket behind the motherboard like that and then i'm going to just go ahead and set the motherboard down and let the motherboard hold that in place for me just like that so that that part is i need a break it's so confusing because you have all these different socket types it's not just one intel socket type and one amd socket type there's like six different types of intel socket and about i don't know um wait let me just count them how many different sockets are there for intel one two three four five six seven and on amd you've got one two three four five six seven eight different socket types and so depending on what socket type you've got which is determined by which cpu you have that'll determine where those screws go and depending on if it's intel or amd dictates that as well if you buy an intel only cooler that obviously removes some of the confusion but then if you order the wrong cooler it won't fit and there's nothing you can do so by having a cooler fit all these different cpu socket types they can make one cooler one packaging and then just give you the extra parts but there are intel only and amd only coolers they are sold now the next step is they want us to put these little standoffs right here i'll bring these up to the camera and show you they want us to put screw these down onto the other end of those screws and you'll see there's holes on each side here and they're calling these the standoffs and we've got four of these and we're just going to start them by hand and then that will also hold that back plate in for us and we won't have to worry about it so there's no washers to deal with it doesn't matter which side of this they're both the same and then that's where this included socket comes in handy because now you can just put that right on top and then use a regular phillips number two screwdriver which i have right here and then you can go ahead and tighten those up don't tighten them too much at first do opposite corners so you get nice even torque across the entire back plate you definitely don't want the back plate to be sort of warped otherwise your the bottom of your cpu cooler may not be completely flush with the bottom of your or the top rather of your cpu and then you don't get good cooling so now what i'm going to do is just tighten these down and don't go crazy but i do want to you know kind of bring them until they want to stop and again you'll see i'm doing opposite corners if if this will let you keep going and it will you can crack the plastic behind it and you can also crush your motherboard so that's why i'm telling you make it tight but don't overdo it once it starts giving you some real resistance that's a good indicator that's good enough and then go back around one more time again going opposite corners just to see if the others have loosened up as tension was put on the others which is very common and i just you know i'm i'm taking it well past snug but the amount of resistance i'm getting right now is pretty strong and i don't want to press my luck so i'm going to leave it right there and we should be done with that socket for now actually forever the only time we would need it again is if we were going to remove the cooler so that locks the bracket in back here i'll bring it up and i'll show you there's our bracket there's a little plastic ends we put on it i could have put the bracket on 180 degrees i could have you know rotated it so that the top was at the bottom and it would be exactly the same so there's no up or down i guess is what i'm trying to tell you there's a front side the back side but there's no up or down it'll work either way the same on this socket okay um probably on probably on all of them actually um where are we at in the chat room here richard says hello hey richard and bryce tony wallace joining us ken stout's joining us welcoming guys there's ricky saunders and christopher g and let's see scrolling through the chat see if i missed any questions or anything here before i continue sky 4 says four feet worth of instructions yeah and you know three feet of licorice four feet of beef jerky no was a four feet of slimgen how do they sell that they sell it by the foot fruit by the foot yeah we do everything by the the yard or the foot over here even our instructions patrick says he appreciates this right on patrick well well thank you appreciate you brother hey let's see uh is michael dane mentioned michael earlier jason says it's better to watch this video than read that fold out yeah that's why i'm making the video but you're still going to probably have to refer to the fold out just uh you know use as uh something that moves a little slower than me as far as the individual part of of putting the screw into the right location once you understand it you'll get it you know once you've once you've got it in your hands it'll become real clear to you after you lock the first one in then you'll have that that guide you for the other three and of course anytime you do the same cooler again and again and again you'll just it'll become second nature and you won't need to look at the directions at all it'll be very obvious but i haven't used a back plate that uses those clips like that except on coolers i haven't liked so i i don't use them very often i'm a little rusty jason willis contributes five dollars said the standoffs great name for a band hasn't that been done john williams says hello from madison hey john welcome in rick lake says hello welcome in rick clean my kicks wants to know what's the machine above the altair that's just a clock it's a nixie clock that is made by an artist so it's not like um like a clock you go to the store and buy you go on etsy and you look up nixie clocks and there's all these different designs they're all basically handmade out of the ukraine and russia is about the only place you can get them now these brackets here these are going to sit on top of the hole in the other end of the stand-up standoff do i have the wrong brackets are those amd brackets maybe let's see yeah so i'm accustomed to the curved brackets on most third-party coolers going to amd sockets and here that's the exact opposite the straight brackets by the way i'm sure it tells me this in the instructions i'm aware of that but i pulled out the straight ones because like if i install a scythe mugen 5 cooler i have straight brackets and curved ones and the curved ones are larger than this and the straight ones are shorter than these and these go to the intel and these go to the amd but this isn't scythe and if everybody does everything the same they start suing each other i guess so we want the curved ones those straight ones will go right with the rest of our extra parts we're going to have a lot of extra parts is what i'm trying to say it's normal don't freak out michael dain is saying hello from hawking hills ohio hawking hills never heard of that what big city is that by and katrina ireland says hello from the great state of montana city of hot springs right on welcome in montana katrina what we have to do and again on the competitors heatsinks that i've mentioned earlier these brackets are already attached okay just so you know i don't want you to think that the other competitors are just greedier and that's why they're charging more they're charging more because you're getting more you're getting some convenience and um you know it makes sense when you think about it where a lot of confusion for me comes into play on a lot of this stuff is i don't know does this go here or does it go here or does it go the other way here or does it go here this one bracket can be installed four different ways but i can tell you these screws the other end here these have to screw down and i know that this heatsink is going to face down so these must have to go up here but if they go up there how would i tighten them okay so i guess i'm going to look at the instructions because well some of you might say well that's really easy kerry i can see that goes that way and you put the screw in from the bottom that just now occurred to me but let me just look at the instructions and check the brackets where are the brackets yeah so what they want you to do and i'm going to show you the picture here once again because you're quite a distance away from me and i want to be real clear with what you're going to be looking at the bracket itself is going to go on top of this piece right here the top of it so this is the bottom of the heatsink here we don't want this piece where that screw is we want the piece on the other side and then the screw goes through from the bottom and it's going to hold that bracket in i got to hold it up where you can see it right this bracket right here notice it doesn't go on the bottom it goes above it but the screw goes through the bottom that's what locks it in you do that for both sides then we can apply our thermal compound put the heatsink on and then tighten these bolts down and it'll lock it in and the installation is done once we attach the fan and hook it up this is the second part i don't like because again for the umpteenth time their competitors that i mentioned don't require you to do this stuff so i'd already be done by now is what i'm saying but it's not that big of a deal and especially if you're a first-time builder and you're thinking about getting this cooler you're perhaps attracted to the price but you're a little intimidated by the installation don't be just because it takes a little more time um doesn't mean that you're not going to be able to do it or it'll be a challenge above you you'll be able to do this it's quite simple it's just a different process and just adjust your expectations and timeline accordingly give yourself permission to learn and you will be better for it if you stick with the thing you already know right if you go and buy that other competitor cooler i mentioned you won't face these challenges if you don't face these challenges you didn't really overcome anything and your success is going to feel a little empty compared to how it would feel if you did this like you'll feel like you learn something and you know we don't always want to learn something but usually after we have we're glad we did at least that's how i feel like i wasn't planning on learning anything today but if it happens i'll accept it and i'll probably be happy about it even though that's not my goal it probably should be now we do have a piece of tape right here that's covering the bottom of this this is where our thermal compound is going to go but it's keeping it free of any dirt debris oils from your skin because that can interfere with the effectiveness of the thermal compound so we're going to keep that on until we're ready here but what i do need to do is remove this fan because it's going to block my my way of getting under here so this fan needs to come off notice how i take it off we're going to pull on the bracket and pull it away and then we should be able to just kind of lift up and the bracket just fell out i'm not a fan of these brackets have i said that yeah this is um starting to explain why the price is such a good deal all right so we'll deal with that later when i go to put it back on and so these two screws remember i was looking at them i said these are kind of weird these screws here one screw goes on through the one bracket and then um well i guess it's going to go through the bottom of this heatsink and then into this bracket but now my question is does which way does the bracket your bracket's got to go facing out trying to remember how it's said to do this see i've already forgotten this is so confusing here i am i'm trying to put the bracket on the bottom but i remember the screw goes on the bottom right and the bracket goes on the top but i'm looking at it and i'm like it doesn't seem to want to go in there oh it's got a little groove and when you line it up it does actually kind of sink into that let me show you that makes me feel a little better because all these other ways just like what's stopping me from doing it wrong but if you look real closely there's like a little this little corner cut out right there remember we're gonna put the screws in from this side so the bracket is going to sit on top and you see how there's a groove cut out right through there and so if you line this up correctly it should lock in it won't slide forward it won't slide backwards back or forth it's locked in and now we just need to put that screw through it and that will hold it in place and we need to repeat that action on the other side all right all right that's all they had to say and don't mind me i'll just be over here doing this thing but i wouldn't have to do if i picked another cooler but hey you just do it once right you're just going to do it once if you ever have to take the cooler off you don't have to take it this far apart right you can always leave these brackets attached for the rest of the cooler's life unless of course you're changing to a different socket well i guess it would have to be a different chip like going from intel to amd or amd to intel but usually in my experience when people do that they buy new coolers they i don't know anybody that's moved a cooler from have any of you guys moved a cooler from an intel chip to an amd chip or the other way around have any of you ever moved a cooler how about that question just by itself thing is for whatever reason you're moving the cooler if it's a new build your new build is what am i doing look what i'm doing just did i mention i don't like this the way my brain works um this is not obvious to me but i was screwing this into itself like an idiot so this goes in the top i was so like proud of myself for getting that right but the screw goes into the bottom okay all right i need to make videos that i can understand okay so it's not that i'm talking down to you i'm talking down to future me who's going to look at this video and go how did i do that these instructions don't make any sense now these you just want to you want to tighten them down until they don't turn anymore they should get to a point where they just stop yep once they stop don't force it any further than that we definitely don't want to strip those out this piece right here as we've done all this work comes out of the box of those competitors just like this and that other piece that we spent all that time prepping comes out of the box of the competitor so you see how they're easy you just slap them together this is more complicated but it's not hard all these are the extra parts for like an amd build if you think you might use it on an amd one day uh save them if you think you're never going to change that cooler toss them now in testing the motherboard earlier i had a spare cpu cooler on there just for the sake of putting something on it but i didn't put any thermal compound but it is still left some residue from the bottom of the cooler so i'm gonna go ahead and grab a q-tip and some isopropyl alcohol and clean that off in reality in real life if there are fingerprints and oils on the cpu if i touch it it probably doesn't make any real world difference in the temperatures that your cpu is going to reach maybe one degree maybe maybe two but if we're going to go through the trouble of building it we're using all these new parts or they're new to us why not just take a second to grab a q-tip it's not difficult it's not expensive get that nice and clean no one ever complains their computer is running too cold and not that you'd have an issue with heat either way it just feels good to do a job right and only you're gonna know if you did it i'm not gonna know whether i do this or not if that camera wasn't on you wouldn't know so unless you're turning a camera on you're gonna live with your decision right so i feel like you know i'm also not only for my own personal pride i'm sending this to another technician who's been in the business as long or longer than i have and i'm going to get judged whether i like it or not and i want to leave a good impression i want the person who receives this who is you know technically if they are my peer i want them to admire it i want them to to say wow he obviously took a lot of care when he built this what i don't want him to do is open it look inside and go right and i have some control over how he's going to react if i rush through this you'll be able to tell if i take my time you'll be able to tell and if you'll be able to tell he'll be able to tell rick hubbard contributes five pounds thank you uh rick and there's my buddy peter laycock joins us in the chat from bonnie scotland contributes 50 pounds he says good morning carrie and everyone in the chat from scotland where the temperature is 46 degrees fahrenheit please please can i go there i mean we're getting some cooler temperatures now but it's uh here in phoenix it's um it's getting pretty hot this week okay um yeah and you see the time yeah okay actually i i honestly i think that's an older temperature let me refresh it it's got to be cooler than that okay all right i see it did drop since the sun went down it's not that bad but still a far cry from 46. thank you peter dan nelson says good morning peter from sweden where it's 46.4 degrees fahrenheit look at that sweden talking to scotland in my little usa channel here how's that for something jason says it's 57 degrees here in fresno right there you're right there with the doug betts there's foto ray joining us he says it's 70 degrees fahrenheit he lives in the sticks the outer edges of phoenix yeah it's uh just you and the scorpions and snakes but you do get a little bit of cooler weather all right so i was going to clean the top of that now there's any kind of isopropyl alcohol you can use the higher the alcohol content the better this is 99 pure if you get it at percent eighty percent ninety percent whatever is the highest availables close enough bigger is better we don't want as much of a it leaves less of a residue behind but the residues it's really negligible anyway uh if you have a choice they're pretty much all priced the same the 99 might be a little bit more but it's still like this stuff costs like a dollar you go to walmart here in the usa the lower alcohol rubbing alcohol is for injuries the higher alcohol content rubbing alcohol is for cleaning don't mix those up okay if you see that 70 percent bottle of rubbing alcohol or isopropyl alcohol if you see that and you go uh who would buy that it's so low don't use the 99 on yourself if you cut yourself or you're trying to disinfect something use the lower one okay and just google that if you want more information because i'm not a doctor not that kind all right so i'm going to grab my q-tips what kind of doctor am i no kind i know you were going to ask it so i just thought i'd get that out of the way i was trying to be clever and it doesn't always work so all i'm doing is you know i'm dipping the q-tip in the rubbing alcohol and i probably should put my glasses on so i can see you don't have to dry it although i like to hit it with the dry side of the q-tip while it's still wet just to pick up any other dirt or dust before the alcohol evaporates off that q-tip came out nearly as clean as when i you know when it when i took it out of the box it nearly looks exactly the same sometimes you'll see me use this and they'll come out dark even though the cpu looks completely clean to the naked eye and they're like what the heck and i'm like yeah that's why you keep going right till it comes up clean so this one looks like it just had uh i don't know what you'd even call it but it wasn't really much of anything and and i could just kind of see the outline of where the cpu cooler was sitting on it so it left like a little ring of something anyway it's all clean it's good let me put this back master singleton said it's 74 degrees and cloudy in sydney australia i guess i'm turning into a weather man all right well sounds like australia weather is about the same as mine here in phoenix at 9 15 at night except it's what 10 o'clock in the morning over there tomorrow i think that's how it works i don't know in our winter is your summer everything's backwards over there i feel like i should be speaking backwards so you can better understand me i've got um just looking at the motherboard holes here one two three one two three one two three i just thought to check to see if it if this was one of those gigabyte boards that has that little special mounting hole that no case i use identifies with but this board is long enough that it uses all three holes of the standard atx design and then that's the way the corsair 200r in most atx cases that have standoffs pre-installed are generally generally exactly in this position one two three on the bottom one two three across the middle of the board one two three across the top of the board that's your standard atx form factor that's uh common now it could the atx form factor on boards could be a bit shorter than this so now you're only going to use six of the screws instead of nine that's also part of the standard just so i'm not misunderstood um just look in the chat here real quick clint says carrie do i still use the denatured alcohol the denatured alcohol is what i bought a very very long time ago to clean vhs and tape deck heads we've been using it since the 80s for the cleaning of electronic heads and that's what i was taught in school to use now it doesn't have to be any denatured alcohol i have since learned that denature just means it's undrinkable and there's again you can google to do your whole studying of history on that one but um uh i i didn't know at the time that's what denatured meant i i thought it meant it was purer but it isn't it isn't any pure as far as i know so you do not have to buy denatured alcohol i was guided by old information you know when people told you stuff in the 1980s you didn't have a very easy way to verify it like you can today and i think that's partly why i get upset when somebody passes along false information i get upset that man why wouldn't you check that before you passed it along i realize me talking about it to this to all of you is probably preaching to the choir you're sure you're not the ones doing it anyway um i'm not going to change the world but i can still complain a little bit um well these are these are fan brackets these go over here with the rest of our spare parts sorry i have multiple thoughts going on in my head right now get rid of that so again going back to that denatured alcohol question which is i still use it because i have it there's nothing wrong with it i try to find it and i can't find it so you don't need it this is good even the 99 alcohol would have worked back in the 80s on cleaning those tape deck heads and vhs tape heads no differently than the other rubbing alcohols of different alcohol percentages they all would have worked fine and you know for the same reason they tell you not to use q-tips on your cpu you scratch it up which is ridiculous they did tell you you could scratch the heads on your vhs player or your tape deck in the 80s if you used a q-tip the surface of the head was reading magnetically and you could scuff that up but i used q-tips anyway and all my stuff always worked so i don't know what to tell you so even back in the 80s there were people who cared about stuff that was so tiny and so minuscule it didn't really matter i mean unless you're like cleaning them every day and you just like clean it so much you're rubbing the the material off and then i'd say you know they make pills to help you but that's no laughing matter all right enough of that nonsense let's get this thing mounted finally so what i need to do is get some thermal compound down here and then we're going to peel the sticker put this on so i want the cooler master logo facing like when you set the tower you know when it's in the corsair 200r it's going to sit like this if i install it this way it'll work exactly the same it'll cool no differently it will install no differently it will be exactly the same except the cooler master words will be upside down you understand and that bothers my ocd even though here's how ridiculous this is this case has no window but i know if you pull that panel off no matter who you are and this is upside down i know what my thought would be why why is that upside down so i'm going to put it in right side up because it doesn't take any extra effort other than just being aware of what you're doing and then and when you're in setting something that can go one of two ways think about like take this back plate this back plate could have gone on one of two ways some of these back plates are designed to only go on one way and if you force it on the other way it doesn't sit properly but yet this one could go on either way this could also go on this way or this way i'm going to choose one over the other rather than just not pay attention and however it lands is how i'm going to tighten it down no i'm not going to do that i'm going to intentionally make sure that the words cooler master are visible just like that and the other thing we have to do that i just realized the screws that are attached they're they're captive they're already in this uh far in position and they're adjustable so i don't even need to look at the instructions with this because i've seen this even on the original course here not corsair the original cooler master evo212s so you see they have a little spring and you'll see there's a long groove right there and that groove has three positions right now the screw is in the position closest to you if i pull on the screw pull it and then drag it back it's now in the center position kind of hard to tell it's in the center and if i grab it and pull it back again it's now in the far position and you can compare those two ones in the far ones in the close we want them all where it in the middle so i'm going to pull each screw down and position it into the metal um right in that middle come on get in there see it's a little weird to have to do that when with other coolers you don't have to do this with other clothes with some other coolers let me correct myself okay so now i have moved all those screws into that if i didn't do that i'd be struggling for a long time because i'd get like two screws in but i may not get the third or the fourth one in and i won't realize like why isn't this lining up then i'll take these two out and then i might you know adjust them a little bit put it back down then eventually i'll figure out wait a minute maybe i need to make sure those screws are in that center position and then it just locks right down piece of cake so if you're working too hard you might be doing it wrong that's all i'm saying ski man there says denatured alcohol contains methanol and considered toxic isopropyl is non-toxic all right thank you ski man and it was something like that shouldn't be drinking either one of them however that's just a little advice from your uncle carrie don't drink rubbing alcohol don't drink natured alcohol there you go the more you know all right i'm going to put some thermal compound on this i use a nitrile glove i put my thermal compound down probably differently than anybody you've ever seen do it before let me let me how can i patent this i am probably the only tech youtuber of my size or larger who puts thermal compound down this way i don't think any of the bigger tech channels do this nitrile not rubber not latex but nitrile because it's non-conductive and i've got some noxua thermal compound here that i like to use you can get this stuff on amazon about is it like 10 bucks a tube or something and there's enough in these tubes for like i don't know six applications so we're gonna go ahead and just go put that on there a little dab on there maybe might have to take two hands people always try to describe how much you should use but the fact is depending on what cpu you have all cpus aren't the same size you want enough of this to cover the entire surface of your cpu and i just finger painted on there my issue is if i were to just leave that little dollop on there and then i squish the heatsink down on top of that dollop which is probably every uh i'm gonna guess every youtube tech channel bigger than mine does it that way i think they all have that in common why why am i bucking the trend am i just trying to be different why why am i being difficult or defiant i have a very logical reason for it and that is if you squish the heat sink down on top of the thermal compound how do you know that you've covered the entire surface of the cpu maybe you've only covered a portion of it there's no way you're ever going to know until you take this heat sink back off and look if you put too much thermal compound how are you going to know when it makes a mess all over your motherboard and it's very difficult to clean off it's very difficult to clean off one of the benefits of wearing the gloves as you saw when i took it off i could turn it inside out so i can hold it and not get that stuff on my fingers so what uh i was just about to brag how i was able to not get it on my fingers because i turned the glove inside out but somehow that stuff just i don't know how it does it but no matter what i do it somehow ends up on me okay so back to the thermal compound all right so they put the little doll up and they squish it down and they say you don't get any air bubbles that way it sounds like that to me anyway um there's a video where they use a piece of glass have you guys seen this video and they push the glass down on top of the cpu and it shows these little air bubbles and the problem with this is that a piece of glass is very porous this is not porous this is going to be a solid copper core secondly there has to be a certain amount of pressure applied to the top of the cpu that is dictated by the engineers they don't just sell a heat sink and you just tighten it down it has to tighten down to a certain amount of pressure there's a range of pressure i don't know is it newton meters or something there's a certain amount of pressure that has to be pushed down on the cpu in order to efficiently transfer the heat from it too much pressure and it sort of concaves the cpu to light of pressure and you don't have enough contact to transfer that heat as effectively so by just pushing a piece of glass down onto a cold cpu a porous piece of glass does not represent a solid piece of copper or other metal that is being pushed down with an exact amount of force equally in all corners and then is is dealing with a thermal compound whose the whole properties of the thermal compound change it becomes viscous when it gets hot it becomes liquefied it not so liquefied it's going to drip but much more so than the state it is now so even if there were air bubbles in it when it liquefies it's going to move around it's not an airtight system theoretically air can come in from the sides air could go out from the sides i i don't know why people care about this stuff because even if all of it were true it would make zero degrees difference on your cooler zero because you have to allow for a certain allowance to your ambient room temperature which is always changing so there has to be a plus or minus degree of error and those little air bubbles those are going to be right in that range with or without them the range doesn't change so if you don't believe me try it turn on a camera try it and then share your results on youtube and be sure and show it to me like to be proof wrong that means i learned something but i've done these tests so unless you're doing something differently than me you should get the same results but if you're skeptical do not take my word for it try it all right so let me get off that high horse uh let's see i'm just looking back in the chat here all right i don't know what you guys are talking about so i'm going to just keep going now we're ready to put the heatsink onto the cpu since we've got our thermal compound we have a nice even spread of thermal compound there not too much not too little i know because i can see it all right so now i'm gonna you know unlike the dab that i've i have faith in squishing anyway we're gonna pull that off and uh phrasing we're gonna take that off look they even painted the bottom of it i thought it would be copper under there hmm it's got me slightly concerned if they put any sort of a coating on that that will impede its ability to cool as effectively as possible or maybe not maybe it's a coating that actually increases the effectiveness of the cooling well nothing i can do about it it's going to go in regardless and i'm sure it's going to work fine but it does have me a little concerned so i'm just going to set you notice i don't put any thermal compound on the cooler only on the cpu don't mix two different thermal compounds together and if your cpu cooler already comes with thermal compound applied don't apply any at all it's already there for you all you got to do is lock it down and you'll notice when it's pre-applied it's not a big dab it's spread out just the way i showed you so before you think i'm too crazy think of how the manufacturers both intel and amd do it the same way as does every cooler manufacturer if it's going to be pre-applied it's smeared out for you it's not just a dab so there take that all right so set that down and just a regular uh phillips number two screwdriver and you just want to get these started if you if you start one too far what happens is you know it's on springs and the whole thing starts to tilt and tilts ever so slightly you may not notice it until you try to start the screw on the opposite side that's sticking way above where you need it and you put all this force in you're like jeez this is really hard well you got to back this other one off so it's not putting so much downward pressure and then get them all started once you've got them all started then start cranking them down at opposite corners so like i said there's there's not a ritual to what i do there's a reason i'm just starting these by hand obviously the last one is usually the most difficult because the other three have already put some spring pressure down so you have to push down on it as you turn it and when it starts to bite in you'll be able to you'll know you'll feel it i'm going to just turn these a little bit more again going all the way around opposite corners all right and then i can just go right back around and keep going all right that feels like more than enough so i don't want to tighten too much of one side at one time so basically counting three four five six you go over here three four five okay this one has locked or stopped rather we'll go down to this one the opposite corner let's get that one locked boom come over here now we're just taking them taking them home then i'm going to go back around just to see if any of them loosened up a little when i tightened the other three and i check them in opposite corners okay okay now i can pick the motherboard up move it around as much as i want without worrying about anti-static discharge as long as i'm holding it by the heatsink it's grounded so we can put the fan on and the fan we always want the fan on the side that the ram is on and we want to rotate the fan so that these brackets back here are up against the back of the cpu cooler this is the side air is going to be coming out of we want the air to get pushed through the cooler there's going to be another fan back here on the 200r that's also going to be pulling air pulling air this way and pushing out the back so all the airflow is moving in one direction and if we were going to put that second fan on you know that the kit comes with all these parts for a second fan that fan you would not want to put it the same way or you'd be pushing air against each other and you'd have like this dead spot nothing would happen and your your cooling would not be good so the fan would would go on the opposite way with the open side where the spinning part here uh where the blades are are going to go up against because these are the this side of the fan is what draws air in and this side of the fan this part doesn't spin right when i spin the fan that part doesn't spin and you can see these brackets that's always the way the air is going that's the way it's going going in this way coming out that way so if we were going to put another fan on here we'd want to face it that way for that reason all right again i just i'm not a fan of people who ritualize what they do i want to explain to you why i want you to understand why we're doing it what we're trying to accomplish and then if you decide that doesn't matter to you you know that's not my problem these these wire brackets i am not a fan of these because they won't stay on and i'm trying to think you know i want this power cord to come out of this side right so it'll go it's going to plug in right here on the motherboard so do i want do i want to put it on where the power cord kind of goes under the fan to kind of hide the cabling a little bit ah i don't know i'm thinking either way i'm going to have to wire tie or zip tie the extra so i'm thinking i want the fan i want the power cable to come out here the fan's got to go on like that that means the fan bracket has to go on like this and the other fan bracket exactly the same on the opposite side like that and then you have to sort of hold this in a weird way because i these little wire brackets are going to fall out this is ridiculous so okay so you got to figure out how you can hold the fan and the little wire things with tension so they don't fall out line it up here and then pull back on the little wire hanger and i've got this i still got this wrong these little wire hangers they go on the on the inside of the fan not on the outside they go on the inside towards the heatsink my bad and you'll also notice that's the side that has those little rubber washers that's the side that's going to rub up against that metal heat sink and those rubber washers are there to keep the plastic from hitting the metal and making a really annoying sound so if you were going to mount a fan it still doesn't seem right if you were going to mount a fan on the other side then you put those little rubber washers on the other side too right how can that be right i can't be right now i wish i remembered how these were when i took them off i could always rewind my own video yeah that's just not happening it does have to go on the bottom there's no question or doubt about it but there's they're so loose this reminds me uh when mitch was here when we did his little itx build and he had that geez was that a cooler master fan too and i really struggled to get it on because these brackets they just kind of hang and until you get pressure on them up against the heatsink they can just fall right out it's very frustrating and so those little wire brackets go into the slots here on the sides of the heatsink obviously this one would be for a fan that went on the other side of the heatsink we're not using that groove this is the only one we can use and that's how the cooler gets installed and then we just have to plug this power cable right here into the cpu fan header block and what i think i'd like to do is go ahead and power it up let's run prime95 on it let's see how well this is cooling an i5 10 600 i don't think it'll break 70 degrees fahrenheit what do you guys think make your guesses richard wants to know kerry tomorrow 1 pm with mitch yes richard thank you for asking we'll be here building a home theater pc tomorrow one o'clock fridays you can always count on that all right so i want to test fire this so i need a power supply we're just going to use the same power supply we had earlier and it's my intention to use this power supply to keep it with the build there's one these are the only two power cables we need to hook up for testing purposes okay going to need the little power switch right here and we'll plug that in right on the power switch area probably a good place to put it wouldn't you think and then let's see keyboard mouse what else do i need uh hdmi cable power cable okay all right i have all that stuff right over here power cable come on power cable hdmi cable having your hdmi cable wrapped around your power cable is a really bad idea unless you like a lot of noise on your screen just um don't mind me while i untangle this okay video power switch keyboard mouse i need a keyboard mouse right over here turn this on plug this in this will be good enough flip the switch to the on position i'm going to hit the power button and i'm hoping to see this cpu fan spin oh no no no no no shut it off i worked a little too quickly and i made a mistake and how am i going to show you my mistake if this won't spin hmm i've got the cpu fan header or the cpu fan cable plugged one pin off i don't even know how i did that that shouldn't be possible but i obviously used too much force because that wouldn't have been done easily so it's one pin there's a four pin header in a four pin plug but i'm only on three of the pins and part of the plug is hanging off the edge i don't know how i did that so let me put my glasses on this time and get a little closer pull it back off of the header and push it back down make sure the pins haven't been bent there we go now if i turn this on and hit this switch i should see this fan start to spin yeah and then it should boot into windows 10 because we installed that earlier so let me let me go to the hdmi input which is right here there we go good timing kerry look at windows was just booting let me grab my flash drive that has my utilities and we're going to put prime95 and the hardware info their free utilities and we're going to just see how hot the cpu is going to get under an extreme load that i'm sure doug would never doug wouldn't do such things would you doug but i want to make sure if he does this thing can handle it piece of cake no problem no judgment okay so with the uh flash drive plugged in i can grab this mouse and copy the files i need which is right under pc testing software i need now all of these utilities are free if you google them you can download them take a screenshot if you want people keep asking me what are you the utilities they're right here just freeze the frame and google those words that you see no secrets just pay attention and i want prime95 it's very specific i want version 26.6 i don't really care about the build uh the reason i want that is they started turning on avx testing and they changed the defaults when you run it you'll notice when i run prime95 i don't change any of the default settings i just go with the defaults and it's always the same so i can compare my benchmarks fairly from one to another if i change the version of the benchmark and i'm changing the test then i'm changing the results of the test and all my previous results are now invalid did i just close that okay i see what i did sensors okay that's what we want no i don't even that's though i use this for amd's i don't want this it's too too much information i want back to my drive pc testing software i want hw monitor that's what i meant to drag over this like i said i use this to read the amd's although i think hw monitor does a great job with that now but they weren't a couple years ago so old habits you know all right let's start hw monitor and we'll see where attempts are right now eventually and oh i just made my screen too small again okay so right now we're looking at uh value right now is at 32 degrees centigrade or celsius the maximum it's hit so far since i started the software is 42. when we run prime95 on it we're going to be running all the cores and all the threads you can see there are six cores zero through five and you can see there are 12 processor threads so that's 0 through 11 that's 12. so um as we look down we can see that i was going to say the the speed of the processor that's but that's graphics so it's got to be up here i guess our processor information our voltage all right so i'm going to start prime95 and we'll let that run for 20 minutes and we'll see how it's going to do so prime95 again version 26.6 leave all the defaults just click ok that's how i run the test and that's why the test is always the same and if the test isn't going to be the same that it's not fair to compare the results now with that done we can start the timer and i'm going to do that on my my smartphone here start and then while that's running i'm doing this broadcast through streamyard and streamyard doesn't allow me to um to show two camera inputs from from one participant like i'd have to join as another participant to add another camera for you hopefully that's something they'll address but what i can do in the meantime is just switch back and forth i can't put the oh wait maybe i can still put picture in a picture now that i think about it i can i should be able to do that through obs ah okay it's working for me all right so i'll just put myself right over here and that way we can keep an eye on those temps and i'll keep an eye on the time and we'll check it out as we go along answering your technical questions while we wait for the test to complete so if you have any questions for me fire them at me i'm just staring at the chat room waiting for questions kyle wants to know do you do these tests for every build you do absolutely because it doesn't take very long and i know if it can pass this test this is probably the hardest thing this computer is ever going to do in the rest of its life right now once it gets this out of the way whatever the customer does with it probably won't be anywhere near the amount of work uh processing and the amount of ram usage and everything that's happened simultaneously this is a real serious workout especially for 20 minutes if a customer does utilize that kind of power it's usually just for a few moments so you know to run it full bore for 20 minutes is highly unusual unless somebody's doing something um unique than what most of us do in regards to maybe they do photo rendering or maybe they do something with autocad and so maybe their processes require more cpu usage um there may be some games that require more cpu usage but overall there's not just sort of this one way that it works for everybody but i can say from the average customer they don't run it full out for anything more than just brief moments on any application they run you know outlook word excel power you know the the the browsing the web and maybe they've got three or four web pages open or multiple tabs and they're running i don't know solitaire is pretty common believe it or not uh they got a lot of little windows open and um yeah that cpu is just breezing that's it's like yeah is that all you got compared to this so this has been running right now for three minutes and 30 seconds and it looks like again i have to sort of pause here because i have to look and make my screen bigger for me and i can see on the temperatures well i know that's not right i was too high up here so these are the packages we want to look at and we're at uh the a maximum of 74 degrees centigrade right now i was looking at the wrong temperature packages these are for i think the temperature sensors around the cpu and these are the temperature sensors in the cpu and i think that's why we're seeing that big of a difference these are the ones i want to watch and i want to make sure you know this is our lowest low and this is our highest high and this is our current right now for each of the cores since we started running the software so i would like to see this cpu get no hotter than 85 degrees celsius in the 20 minutes that we're running it if it does i'm gonna feel like that cooler is not good enough you see the reason the prime95 version is so important is i went through a process of trying to fix a cooler problem the cpu was overheating on my prime95 test this was recorded live and i tried another cpu cooler and it was supposed to be good enough but it it also let the cpu get too hot and i'm like well what's left anyway now you got to get to like some big radiator liquid cooler or something and i'm scratching my head you know i'm like this doesn't make any sense this seemed to work before and um the prime95 test was different and it was running those avx instructions and it was causing a lot of cpus to overheat now you can manually put the settings back to the earlier version but i don't want to think about it i just want to start the software and hit ok and run all defaults because if i have to think about it i might not and then the test results may send me down a path i don't need to go on just like trying to replace that cooler long story short too late when i ran the original version of prime95 i had been running back on the system that i had been going through these coolers i put the original cooler that i built it with back on it ran the same version of the same test that i always run and guess what it was just fine um and sometimes and this complicates matters sometimes the motherboard manufacturer will release a bios update that sends a little more voltage to your cpu so you can get a little more oomph out of it when it turbos you know and that causes your cpu to run just a little bit hotter and then out of curiosity one day you go you know it's been a while since carrie built this i want to run prime95 and do yeah some people do this you know they go ahead i'm gonna it's been running fine for a year but for no particular reason i'm gonna run the hw info and the prime95 and run it now usually what happens is you know the computer starts acting a little funky and they think gee i wonder if it's overeating and then that leads them to this test right then i get the call hey uh this thing's hitting 85 should i shut it down like it's been 20 minutes no it's only been like eight minutes i'm like yeah shut it down you know turn you don't have to shut it down but stop the test you don't need to go any further than that it's not dangerous it's just pointless so anyway the customer's confused i saw you use prime95 same version same everything and it never got this hot i've had the computer a year i run the prime95 it's running hotter and i know you didn't doctor the video so i mean what's happening here what's happening is you got a bios update how did you know that well because because you're obviously your voltage went up on the cpu it's causing your cpu to run hotter but what's the voltage supposed to be set at you know i'm not sure i'd have to go into an identical motherboard and see what the default settings are before you put that biosom that you put on so you don't have to take the bios off you just need to go in there and make adjustments manually to those voltages so he went in there and kind of went at it blindly until the system was stable and he's like yeah i got it locked in i've run prime95 on it for 20 minutes it never gets hotter than you know 74 or something ridiculously low and he fixed his own problem right so these are the problems with benchmarks start digging through solving a non-issue that is only an issue because you believe the benchmark the at the end of the day if the system's running well for you leave it alone but if you want to go looking for problems and you're chasing perfection um i i won't get in your way but it just seems a little bit pointless to me um feels like it's just unnecessary so i know it's been a long time answering that one question we're nine minutes in on the test and um let's see what my temps say i haven't really changed 74 is our maximum and uh that's well under the 85 threshold that i personally set it's usually 100 threshold on the cpu itself so we're still doing really good there carrie is it is it normal a gpu usage at 98 to 100 playing games all the time temps at 75c max i guess it's going to depend on the settings of the games it depends on the gpu i would say yeah it's normal sure for probably the combination of those variations that are unique to how your computer is yours and your games or your games and the settings you play those games under right that's all those variables probably add up to exactly that and if you change any of those variables it probably would change that as well so i'm going to just go with yes just want you to know how i'm getting there seldon bell joins us selden is a community member here who designed that little rotating cube on our nzxt liquid cooler in there that's seldon's animated gif that he uh did for us it's pretty cool gets a lot of attention donna allen wants to know how can i find out how much power my system uses well i think down under here i have something called a kilowatt and a kilowatt is this little box you can plug in to the wall and then you plug your computer in to this side and you can monitor how many watts it's pulling you can see it you know volts watts you can see all different kinds of readings and measurements there and you can monitor exactly how much power your pc needs they'll sell for about twenty dollars on amazon and i do have these in my amazon store if you go to amazon.com slash shop slash you'll see i have a little a little uh there's like a tile and it says this is the equipment i use well this is part of the equipment i use when i want to measure how much power something consumes so you couldn't have asked that question at a better time because i was just using that not too long ago so thank you for asking don nelson wants to know if anyone else is having a problem with sk hynix sk hynix envy me sk hyanx ram what problem is it a problem you're having and with what that would help to have that other information peter wants to know should you re should you ever reapply thermal compound during the life cycle of a computer okay well there's should you or can you um you know it kind of depends on the person there are people believe it or not and i know some of you are going to be shocked who will buy a computer and never take the side panel off of it not to clean it not to upgrade it certainly not to repair it and they are not you know if they're not even going to dust it they're not going to check the thermal compound right and so that computer will probably go through its entire life without having a heat issue right i mean how many times do you hear somebody tell the story well we had to get rid of our old hp that we used to play solitaire and check the email because the uh thing was getting too hot and it's like a little furnace it was shutting down so we just thought we'd get a new one i i don't know why i went into a southern drawl but regardless um don't mind me i'm just amusing myself uh i i needed a different accent so you knew me from the customer so if you would take a computer after three or four years and clean the thermal compound take the time to take a perfectly good working computer and you're willing to damage willing to risk damaging it take the cooler off clean it thoroughly take the time and the effort to clean it right and do the same thing to the top of the cpu and spend the money to get the right things to clean it with clean it with rubbing alcohol higher content is better a higher alcohol content is better and use you you can use something soft that isn't going to scratch or you can use a cotton ball or a q-tip preferably many cotton balls and many q-tips your computer went to sleep let me wake it up and you're going to spend a little bit of money and you're going to spend a little bit of time and when you put it all back together and you didn't break anything and it fires back up it still works exactly like it did before you did all of that so unless you have some sort of high-end gaming computer and you're sort of you know you're overclocking it or you're pushing it hard all the time and you're a techie kind of person well if you're a techie kind of person you're going to do it anyway this is kind of a trick question if you're a techie kind of person that might be something fun if you're not a techie kind of person that might sound like a lot of work and if they if they say well what do i get you know as my reward for doing all that work how much better is the computer going to run for most of the time it's going to be like it's it's pretty much going to run exactly the same but again if you have a higher end machine that may make a difference but if so you sort of already know if your temperatures go up you're not intimidated by the process and so for somebody like you somebody who's comfortable with it sure why not why not change it excuse me unless like i say you're a noob and you're afraid of breaking it but then how else are you gonna learn so anyway uh i haven't changed my own thermal compound unless i'm changing the cpu fan on all my clients machines i don't change the thermal compound if the machine comes in for repair at any point i can tell you they're going to get they're going to need to get dusted they're going to need to have the leaf blower hit the have the leak flower you know blow them out and then i will gauge based on the way the cpu heatsink looks before i blow it out how much the stuff is in there whether or not i should change that thermal compound it's just the decision i make well i've got the machine anyway why not just go ahead and change it but i wouldn't instigate a repair to a client to go hey it's that time of year again why what's going on everything's working good yeah everything's been working great well good let me change that i mean let me uh let me do some unnecessary work that'll keep that going it's kind of a hard sell that's all i'm trying to say but thank you for the question it's a it's common belief that that should be changed out regularly but not by non-technical people they don't hold that belief and their systems run just fine okay so looking back again i need to look back at my screen and i have to make it larger so i can see it we're at 17 and a half minutes our maximum temp so far is 78 degrees no 79 i see 79 right there still well below 85. i'm not worried and this cooler is very quiet so happy with that let's hope it continues the next two and a half minutes and doesn't do anything unexpected katrina wants to know what happened to my milwaukee screwdriver nothing i just haven't i mean i just used it the uh when mitch was here it's right here it's all good i don't like to use the um cordless driver when i'm tightening down like the screws on these heatsinks they certainly need to be tighter than the driver is going to put them on anyway but when i was gonna when i bring the corsair 200r case up here on the bench and i take the screws out for the side panels i always use the milwaukee for that because there's nothing i have to worry about you know damaging or you know especially taking screws out it's the putting screws in part that's the dangerous part with the electric driver okay 19 minutes so just another minute to go and i think we're obviously going to be just fine here no problem john xena says where is mitch uh i don't know why would i know where mitch is why would you think he has to check in with me here's a bit um that's a great question does anybody have any questions i can answer okay i think we're good here we're yep just at 20 minutes right now and again i have to go full screen so we're looking at a maximum there hasn't changed 79 is our maximum we're well below my personal threshold again is 85. intel's threshold is 100. i like to have a 15 degree headroom just in case a customer surprises me like i said most customers would never push their cpu and ram this hard for this long but every once in a while you'll get one who does so this will make sure that if they do that the system isn't gonna you know i'm not gonna get a support call basically now i'm gonna stop the test and watch how quickly a cpu cools down watch these numbers drop into the 30s and 40s as soon as i go to test and i go to stop and then i have one more step i have to confirm it as soon as i click ok you looking at those numbers on the left watch that's how hot how quickly a cpu can get hot and that's why you don't certainly in the old days you didn't want to run a cpu without a cpu fan now these days the cpus have auto protection and they'll shut down before they burn up but they used to burn up and uh they the modern cpus they don't burn up anymore but you can really uh hopefully appreciate the severe temperatures um you know being american it's hard for me to imagine what 100 degrees celsius is i don't really know what that is but like on this software it's showing us in parentheses the fahrenheit so we hit for us americans we had 174 degrees fahrenheit so you can imagine you know that's considered running within range that's cool okay 74 or 79 is running cool it's not running hot in my opinion until we hit 85 or above then it's running hot so 85 degrees celsius you know is what i have to look it up 185 degrees and when the cpu throttles itself down at 100 degrees celsius that's 212 degrees fahrenheit you know i didn't really know that until now i never thought about what it was in fahrenheit 212 degrees fahrenheit is your throttling junction so that's on intel most intel chips some chips vary amd chips may vary you just look at what your thermal junction is on each chip and you'll know what your threshold is and then give yourself about 10 to 15 degrees preferably 15 degrees below that threshold that is a very simple guide on how what i'm looking for when i'm testing the computers and why but most of the time the cpus and since i'm using mostly intel cpus those have been 100 degrees setting center let's say centigrade celsius it's the same word um i'm losing my thoughts um i'm i'm reading the chat and i'm trying to get an idea across and then i just had two cross thoughts and forgot where i was but needless to say i didn't realize 212 degrees fahrenheit was the cutoff point i've always called it in celsius and i generally when i talk about cpu temps only talk in celsius because that seems to be the terminology the industry is using but in other aspects of my life i don't i don't measure things by celsius just that just that bobby says 100 degrees celsius is the boiling point of water right and like zero degrees is freezing i don't i don't know blackwatch said kerry had a brain freeze not a freeze but uh yeah i sort of had cross thoughts and then sort of like being spun around for a minute and i was like wait a minute where was i going all right so this is run like i said it's run long enough i'm very confident this would be doug's not going to have any problem with this and now i can go ahead and install it into the case so i'm going to go ahead and shut everything down you know i'm going to close out these apps obviously again i have to i have to make the screen bigger so i can see what i'm doing so just bear with me for a second and we'll close this and shut this down okay okay now i can go back full screen on camera one hey look at that everything can be disconnected because now we're ready to put the motherboard into the case and that shouldn't take very long since we've already got everything prepped it's just nine screws and the power supplies four screws hook up a couple of wires super easy barely an inconvenience i think that's how the guy does you gotta tilt your head when you do it um so i want to unplug this i want to unplug this all these parts over here those four little screws and this uh no just these that is part of our you get a lot of extra i'm just trying to let you know you're going to have a lot of extra parts and that's normal don't be freaked out by it when you have a cooler that can install in 17 different socket types use a real fine screwdriver sometimes these motherboard power connectors can fit real tight and i don't want to damage anything i can get a small flat blade blade driver right into the little gap and twist it and it gets me just enough leverage where i can finally pull that connector off without damaging anything especially not damaging my fingers okay i want to go ahead and take care of this wire management for the cpu fan right now because it's out of the case it's super easy for me to get a hold of and it won't be once it's in the case because that's going to be the top of the case so you better take care of this right now these are four inch nylon zip ties and i'm going to just unplug it momentarily it has a wire tie on it and we don't want any loose wires in our computer case and even though it's not loose right now it could become brittle and break over time and it could float around in there it could short things out um i don't know how likely that is but just take them out man here in the desert it really worries me when i open up some people's computers and these have become brittle and fallen and they're on the bottom of the case where sometimes they're hanging on something dangerously close to the motherboard and i i look at that and i'm like you know yikes now cooler master likes to put these stickers i guess if you remove the sticker you you don't have any warranty anymore or something but but it really gets in the way of cable management so i just don't care you know it's a it's a thirty dollar forty dollar cooler so you know if i had to go and buy another one i think i'm gonna be okay not so worried about the warranty on a 40 cooler i would be worried of the warranty on a 200 cooler or you know inexpensive cooler but on a cheap cooler come on now seriously it's like you go to bed bath and beyond and they ask you if you want to buy the extended warranty for the toaster no i think i'll take my chances you know if i if i need another toaster i'll just come back and buy another one it's twelve dollars that's pretty good you okay so that looks much much better i'll go ahead and plug it back in being sure to plug it onto all four pins this time still has a weird twist in it here but that's all right i think it's gonna be just fine it's fine all right done with this for now let me move the motherboard aside let's get the case up here get it prepped and get it done one of my last 200r cases for now i'm sure i'll get some more i still have one more new in the box one left so this is where i'll use that red milwaukee driver all right you see that jump i have a little door stop i put underneath the lazy susan to keep it from spinning on me sometimes it's really useful that it spins and other times it's incredibly annoying as you just saw so i was just thinking about where did i put that shoehorn a doorstop not a shoehorn it's a doorstop i thought oh right here see if i put that in there just jam it in there this doesn't spin makes it easier to take those out see that all right now i can take the panels off there's one there's the other one this door stop out of my way so i can spin it show it to you i know that other screw fell right there let's take it out put it with the rest of his buddies we'll take the box of hardware out this has all the screws and things that we would need to mount the motherboard the standoffs are pre-installed um we're basically ready right now to put the board in i'm going to lay the case flat so i'm working with gravity i don't have a camera person here so you'll have to use your imagination just going to set the board in right it's not fit in there perfectly i've just set it in there and now i'm going to make some fine adjustments making sure when i set it in that this fan cable is not in my way making sure these other front port umbilical cables are not in my way and it's just kind of in the general vicinity of where i needed but it's not exactly where i need it so now that i've taken sort of the weight off and everything i can lift it and adjust it and there is a post on the center motherboard standoff and it will go right through that post and hold the motherboard in position for you so you can screw it down and i seem to be having some alignment issues here it's extraordinarily difficult when you can't see in the cases you know you know it's completely pitchable it's not pitch black but it's it's very dark in there and i can't see where the post is and the the middle hole of the motherboard so i will get my glasses in my flashlight and i'm going to come over here and look again and i'm hoping if i can see the post i do see it now i can see the motherboard needs to go just a smidge towards the top and then needs to come back towards me just a little ah and it just sat down over the post super easy didn't fight me i didn't have to you know i was kind of pushing down on the board thinking maybe the post was a little bit too wide no it wasn't when it was lined up properly it just sat down without resistance now the other eight holes i fill with screws and those are in that box right there this is a great time for me to use my milwaukee driver i'm going to get the screws started first once they're all eight are started i'll go back and tighten them all down that way i can still sort of move the motherboard a smidgen sort of forward and backward left and right just to make sure all the mounting holes line up with the standoffs underneath of them once all the screws are started obviously it's lined up properly you don't have to go in any particular order but uh you know don't miss one i i've done that where if you don't go in a specific order you may not remember did i do that one or did i not do it or you might think you did it and never look back which apparently i did so on one build customer got a machine well it was larry this guy joins us in the chat room larry got his machine there was a motherboard screw rolling around in the case it was very embarrassing like you know from me i did that i mean that wouldn't have just worked itself out in shipping i clearly didn't follow my normal routine all right that's all that's all that's in there they gave us some nylon zip ties with the corsair 200r they give us some extra standoffs for like micro atx boards and other industry standard boards but we don't need those they give us a bunch of fan screws because there's lots of fan additional um optional places to put fans that are all a waste of money and it's just going to add noise and dust but there's screws for that they give us some fine threaded screws that's for attaching a dvd drive a two and a half inch hard drive or solid state drive these extra long fans are for screws these extra long screws are for mounting a fan with the front so all we're left with is one little one final bag of screws these are the motherboard screws they're shallow and they have a coarse thread now that's only true for the corsair 200r that i can speak of well it's also true for other manufacturers and other models i don't know what they are but don't just assume they're all the same they're often not you know how nzxt might do it may even vary from one model of case to another model of nzxt case it's quite possible okay so i need eight of these one two three four five six seven come on now eight there's my eight screws i want to come around the counter here and work from that side because i like to show off the back of my shirt i thought you'd like to see it [Music] yeah i probably should be wearing my glasses again but let's just see how this goes yeah i better get the glasses because i can't see if it's all lined up in theory the screw should go right in but that's clearly um not aligned so let me take a look at how it's not aligned so i know which way to adjust it i see it's got to come down right there interesting so it was like the io shield got stuck at some well look the io shield's up here for some reason well that's very strange and concerning why is it doing that um i've never seen that before the io shield that didn't sound good it's still alive everybody okay the io shield um it's sitting up like this which indicates the board is sitting like that and i'm never going to get any of the screws to go in if it's going to sit like that so i have to sort of look into this what's happening here well this fan cable is now in my way so let me hold that out of the way that's really strange and it sits up like that again oh wow i've never had to do that before i'm pushing down on the io shield cover and then the edge of the io shield gets caught under the cutout in the the computer case so it's got a lot of tension on it gosh that's really weird but now the screws should go straight in with no fight i think i lost the screw that was on the end of this one it fell all right that's okay it's not like i did it live on youtube or anything so i tighten that one way too much back it off a little i was just verifying it's definitely lined aligned okay going to that three across the bottom first and then two across the middle because then that other one is a post so we'll just get these started so far so good just three to go oh and of course we're going to have an issue so i'll just kind of push the board forward there we go just started it then we'll go right here it's just a little not not quite not quite aligned this is why we don't tighten the screw just push on it a little more nothing there it goes okay and then wherever that screw went that when i dropped the driver it scattered i made a run for it so i'm going to just grab another screw out of the bag here okay okay that one's tight we're good there yeah i'm gonna need these again i'm i'm trying to brave it without them but i don't usually miss that much come on now that's better good excellent good and we'll just double check if i got that one and then the three across the top good it's not going anywhere just double checking my screwdriver has a setting uh torque setting of three and when it hits that it auto stops that's why you're hearing the clicking sound when you're that click that means that screw was torqued to that amount of pressure and they're all the same that is not necessary okay when you're building your own computer it doesn't matter if the screws are tight or loose or the same or different it's just something i do because i do so much of it and if i'm using an electric driver i'd like to know i'm not over tightening the screws and that just reassures me it's not that they all have to be the same but it would be too much work to change it that screw will be at three this squirrel put it two i'm gonna put that one at four it won't make any difference it'll still be the same unless you crank it up to like 13 17 or something then you might rip the head off the screw i'm not quite sure what that threshold is i'll let you do it you get back to me all right power supply power supply comes with a little baggie of screws in this case they're black screws they match the black case so i don't have to use the screws that came with the case if i don't want to but i would if the screws were silver then i'd go with the case screws so in other words i get four bonus screws for other hardware add-ons in the future i call that a win fan face is down because it's going to draw air in from underneath the case slide that to the back and then once again i'll get the milwaukee out getting a lot of walking in tonight walk around around all right we'll just get these started same same reason case we need to wiggle things a little bit to align the rest of the screws [Music] there we go you don't have to do opposite corners ladies and gentlemen you can make up any pattern you want they will all equally work but i like to give them a little a little bit of human tightening here because it is a one of the heaviest components in the system and these are relatively small screws to hold that big thing in there so if these break and shipping if they drop the box really hard 17 000 times this could break off the screw could break from the weight and then this power supply will bounce around inside and i've seen it happen and it's not pretty it is not pretty you don't want to see that all right so we've got the uh front port umbilicals i want to take care of so what i'm going to do is i'll just tuck those cables in for a moment and the front board umbilical cables are your power switch reset switch power led hard drive led your front usb and your front audio ports that's all it is that's all these cables do if you don't hook these cables up other than the power switch your system's still going to run just fine you just won't be able to use any of this stuff on the front of your case so don't be intimidating but by the cabling it's uh it's really simple stuff we always just handle one cable at a time and before you know it you'll be through them like these four black fine ones what am i stepping up stepping on the box i threw okay these four twisted black wires here these are all your front port switches and leds here these so you keep these together these two wide cables just go to one connector that's your usb 3. it's one plug it pushes on no big deal and this last one this is just your front port audio it's going to go down here in the bottom corner of your motherboard it only goes on in one direction you just push it on that's all there is it's really easy and it's pretty much the same on every single motherboard pretty much they're so similar so i think before i start on a start in on that i'll go ahead and hook the power cables up let's see first of all i want to bring the big power cable out through here and up through here so that i can plug it into the motherboard and keep the cable the spare cable hidden in the back even though this case has no windows it does make it easier to work on it you know when you take the side panel off and the whole inside of the computer is clean the cabling is in the back if you do a good job with your cable management it'll make your repair easier if you don't do any cable management or you don't think about your cable management other than just cramming a bunch of cables together it might make your repair far more time consuming than if you had done none at all so think about how you're going to take it apart as you're cable managing it so it makes sense that you don't have to undo all your cable management to replace one part jeff muskler has contributed five dollars hey jeff thank you for that okay um david martinez says carrie was thinking about on saturday sending you an amazon gift card for fifty dollars hey look anytime you guys wanna submit those gift cards it certainly helps the channel i'm everything you're seeing me use is all from amazon you know the keyboards and mice i'm using this motherboard the cpu the ram the storage this no this case didn't come from amazon this one came direct from corsair but most of the stuff i'm buying from amazon and so those gift cards are a great great way to support the channel and um and i appreciate it so thank you okay so i've got the main motherboard power cable on let me throw the cpu power cable on there now and that one is over here and we'll run it through here like this and then we'll run it right up the back into this corner and you can see i'm doing this blind so if you're looking at it you should be able to figure it out right there's a little hole up there and we're going to run that cable through and then we have to sort of turn it right back the way it came so that it can fit on the connector with the clips facing the outside edge of the board and i'm going to try and do that with some glasses and a light because it is a real tight spot to do this and ideally you'll lay the case down rather than work on it upright the point of me doing this upright was to give you a better view but obviously you're not looking at nothing right now that's particularly useful but you know how's that from the last how's that different from the rest of the stream let me just go through the holes there that'll light brighten it up okay okay so the power cables are hooked up easy peasy and now just those front port umbilicals i'll start with that audio cable because it's super easy let's get it out of the way just take this audio cable make sure it's not intertwined with other cables because that's gonna make your cable management harder later and then we'll just take it and bring it down it just so happens this power supply is a little short which is good we can fit the cable right up in there that hides it as much as possible and once we've done that sorry the spare part just felt and i wanted to get it before i'd forget so bear with me for a second okay i guess i'm going to get it later but it seems that having this on the lazy susan with the cable sticking out it's swiping at these items on the counter so i'm going to move them could have done that 20 minutes ago yeah i'll get that later too okay so our front port audio cable we're going to bring it in right through here it's going to plug in right on this lower left corner it only goes on in one direction and in this case the blocked pin is on the bottom and then we'll just take whatever slack we have left over and push it out the back i want to keep this nice and clean looking all these extra cables these are just going to be zip tied together and then zip tied down to the floor of the case see like i don't like how that cable right there this one right here appears to be going over these two i'd rather under someone take care of that now there's those little details little details and i'm not quite sure how much of that you're seeing and how much of that's my back but sometimes you have cables where in the back some are coming out through the bottom somebody coming out between them so i like to just completely um make sure they're not woven together in any way and that makes the cable management easier so so we're clear now usb 3.0 cable again really easy we're going to bring that through probably the and we can do the top hole or even the second hole i guess we can do this top hole bring it in and then right here is our usb 2 connector we're just going to align that there's a notch on one side so it can only go in one way and then you push it and usually you can feel it click you might hear it click you give it a light pull shouldn't fall out and leave some slack in that don't don't over tighten this on your cable management because you'll put so much pressure on this connector and the leverage will break right off so give yourself a little bit of slack on it let it come out of the case a little bit if you try to push it in that's when you start putting pressure you'll feel it you'll see it and yeah it will break off and you will be sad all right so we're going to take now the last of the cables this is the switches and leds bring them in down here these always go in the same positions on all atx and micro atx boards and they even go in the same order even though the connector is moved up here by the power connector on most mini itx boards so this stuff gets super easy after you've done it 14 million times we start with the hard drive led make sure the positive cable goes towards the edge on the first lower row of pins we're not connecting anything up and down only side to side next to the hard drive led is where the reset switch goes so on those next two pins side by side we put the reset switch on doesn't matter about positive or negative on a switch i like the words to face up but i can't do that on a corsair 200r because for the positive wire to be towards the edge on the led because it's not a switch it's an led the writing has to face down but for everything else i like the writing to face up but that's me i'm just a weirdo that way all right this is our power led it's split into two a positive and a negative and that's because some motherboards back in the day had a three pin power plug most new motherboards have both they have a three pin power led and a two pin power led i always use the two pin power led it keeps all our cables together it's a cleaner look it goes over the set of pins directly above the hard drive led positive cable closest to the edge now we're working on the top row again side by side on the top row we're not connecting the top and bottom row ever so for the switch that we have left that's the power switch again it doesn't matter if the words are facing up or down i'm just gonna go ahead and put that over the reset switch and our whole system is done now apart from cable management we are absolutely finished um oh no i gotta hook this fan i'm a little bit early on that this fan can plug in right up here and i'm going to have to get a zip tie and clean it up because i don't want that wire tie in there but we can at least test run it and make sure everything's okay so cable management case panels good to go that easy turn power supply off power cable i'm going to plug the wireless usb keyboard mouse dongle up on the front usb ports that gives me the way to test those to make sure that they're working right if my keyboard and mouse don't work might be my usb port aren't working uh i'm gonna make sure the keyboard and mouse are turned on and i need an hdmi cable so we can monitor the output here i have a lot of case panels down here i'm lucky i didn't bend one when that driver dropped that was not good [Music] okay hdmi using built-in video included on our cpu now i can turn this on and uh see what happens since we know it worked before i put it in if it doesn't work now it means i broke it all right let's go to i think i should just put me in the corner again like that and now i'm going to hit the power button and we should hopefully get something happening here um nothing is happening let me just double check plugged in turned on hdmi is in power well that's not good let me just double check sometimes i put those front pins on the front headers on real quick on the pins maybe i rushed it nope it's all correct all right make sure my power connectors are on all the way i want to double check push down extra hard on both the 8 pin cpu power and on the 24 pin motherboard power connector oh i just kind of felt it move okay switch is still on power no power hmm why am i not getting power try a little experiment and i'm going to move the reset switch to the power switch position okay so it's not a switch problem is this plugged in all the way let's try that hmm i must be missing something and i'm going to get another gatorade [Music] well i let you guys in the chat tell me what i'm missing so you think there's a standoff under the motherboard no there were nine standoffs and there are nine screws well eight screws and then the the one post so not a standoff under the motherboard are we plugged into the wall that's a good question we were earlier and i certainly didn't unplug it intentionally but let's go take a walk over there make sure that the other end of this power cable is plugged in and yep it hasn't budged we have power to the cable power supply switch definitely in the on position and hit the power button and it's completely dead that cable is definitely on good this is a new one yeah it is absolutely flat dead isn't that interesting it was working just a minute ago i must have done something now we can look at the back of the board and we can count the number of standoffs we have back here and yeah i mean there's nine there's no standoff that's touching or grounding against the board but something else might be that's the question you know remember how i had to push really hard on this i o shield maybe there's something about this corner of the board that um you know that i had really had to push it down to get it to lock into place and i wonder if there's something going on here because that was certainly not normal and i wonder if the problem is in this area if i take the board out start kind of studying this corner i wonder if i might see something i don't know but i kind of feel like this thing should start but i'm just not sure what the problem is i'm going to grab my external power switch just to make sure that we don't have a bad power switch on the case so i've plugged in my external power switch and it's definitely dead i feel like i've got to be missing something really obvious here and i'm not seeing it hmm this is a puzzle well there's no sense of me keep clicking my little external switch it's not going to turn on and i can plug the original you know new switch back on it we clearly don't have a switch problem we're having a power delivery issue here and a pretty serious one and i'm a bit concerned about that because everything was fine a moment ago so how it goes from one extreme to the other with no apparent cause uh is a little disconcerting [Music] now i could try a different power supply just to see if there's some chance for some reason something happened with the power supply let's take this out of the power supply switch it off and let's wait just a second let all the capacitors on a train we'll hit the power button here just to drain anything that might be on the board then we'll plug it back in turn it back on flip it again does anything happen no no it doesn't okay so just for fun we're going to try a different power supply so i'm going to pull this power cable and i'm going to pull this power cable and i'm going to use a power supply right here and see if the power supply behaves the same way or if the system behaves the same way and i suspect it's not going to make a difference but i just i need to verify what i suspect before i take the board back out it took me a while but i found it okay come on that right up in there like that and then we'll plug this in over here so that's hdmi plug that back in i need the power cable i guess i let it fall okay plug that in here flip the switch on come over here hit the power button dead it's dead completely dead okay well you know what that means something's grounding against the bottom of the motherboard so the board is going to have to come out when we take the board out we need to test it again with power and if it powers up we've got to watch that particular that upper left corner of the board something's going on there with this case and i'll tell you what i'll go back to full screen and i'm going to go ahead and just start unplugging this so make sure that's turned on i mean i'm getting nothing at all absolutely nothing no sign of life hmm the good news is taking the board out is a lot easier than putting it in all you have to do is just pull all those cables you plugged on obviously the two power cables have clips but the usb cable does not you'll just pull and wiggle up and down pull it wiggle up and down and it should come out without breaking it pull your front port umbilicals including your front port audio and switches and then finally i need to unplug the fan while this audio cable is on tight don't pull by the wires pulled by the connector otherwise you could pull the wires right out of the connector okay so that's all the cables disconnected that fast that easy and that's out of the way so i'm going to take the board back out real quick and we'll see if it works out of the box hey uh so well it does not want to come out of there so what's happened now remember how i had to push down really hard on the back plate to get it to set i think i'm going to have to push back in on that back plate again to get it to release it's like caught right up under here and i don't want to cut my thumb yeah i almost cut my thumb and then that released the top of the i o cover from the side of the case and now the board should easily come right out except i forgot a screw other than that one little part the board would easily come right out whoops yeah forgot about you all right now we got them all eight screws nine holes that's right all right so this is the motherboard and there's something going on with this top right corner and it appears oh this is quite interesting if i show you you know i mentioned these early on in this build i uh i mentioned those like grounding straps that are on the bottom side of the i o shield and what's catching my eye in particular is that that one the one at the top has a little groove in it yeah see that and the one at the bottom has no groove so this motherboard has no groove that's its problem needs groove just set that anywhere okay one more time we're gonna power it up now outside of the case let's see if it turns on hdmi i'm going to make the need the usb wireless dongle obviously that's not going to work on the usb on the case so i have to plug it in here i need to put the power supply up here i have just created a complete obstacle course for myself as i'm just setting stuff down i'm not really thinking about it because i'm really focused on this i need that power switch again and of course i need the power supply i always seem to put these screws right where the wires can knock them down and i have a real talent for that especially tonight so i'll move these over here where i never put them and then watch i'm going to forget where i just put those give it a few minutes all right so now we'll put this large connector on cpu power here it goes right there power connector will go right here and then just this uh power just give it some power and see if it turns on and switch on here we go nothing so not the power supply fan isn't even coming on so we're getting no power at all oh this is brand new this is a whole new whatever's happening here i wonder if it has something to do with this whoa did you see that did you see that spark uh there's something wrong here i don't know that i can send this to doug there's something very very wrong with this board wow wow actually i don't know if that was a spark or it was an led just brightly lighting for a moment but it had a little sound so i think it was a spark uh i may need to return the sport to amazon i'm quite nervous i'm uncertain about it now it's it doesn't feel good yeah yeah i don't feel good about this board at all i mean it's booting and it's working right let me let me turn it off let's turn it off and okay it's off will it turn back on again turns back on again remember when i was testing it and i was i was moving i was plugging something into this side of the board something on this side something wasn't right huh and it's working fine now maybe that little spark soldered the piece back on i don't know that's weird all right well i'm glad you got to share that experience with me because that's a tale no one will believe and the system seems to work 100 just fine so now here's the question when i put it back in the case is it still gonna work i don't know let's turn it back off and we're about to find out and if it doesn't i'm done for the night man because that's that's gonna really do my head in so let's see what happens here basically what i think will happen is when i put this back in the case if it doesn't start i think i'm going to be starting a return for uh you know amazon and return the board and then what i'll have to do is wait for that return buy a new one do this again so i can send that to doug so he can continue the test that was originally set for so this was just a little two-hour project that's all i was doing okay don't need that no more set this aside we'll bring the case back up lay the case on its side bring the motherboard over here that went in a lot easier now tell you what it still has this weird gap that i fixed by pushing down on the board um in fact it has a gap here here and here the board is crooked and when i fix that it maybe i'm doing something to the board maybe it has to be on that i'm wondering if those little grounding straps under there are hitting something on the back of the board and that when i force this down that it's causing some sort of connection with the back of the board so but but on the other hand i don't know that i can tighten that screw like that i don't think it's going to tighten i think that's what caused me to have to correct it to begin with so it's an interesting dilemma we have here let me grab my flashlight again and take another look yeah it's a good distance away from the standoff because it's just not straight and even though the board is centered on the post it's still crooked and i don't know why it would be hitting anything back there that's the puzzle [Applause] i'm concerned about these just weird and look it does look like if they were compressed too far they might hit some circuitry beneath them and that's a little concerning i i don't like that doesn't seem right i'm not sure how that's going to sit you know it's as though they assume your standoffs are going to be taller than this ramp here because you're mounting points right there and then we have this piece back here also that should be lifting us up even further this is an odd one we have these screws that stick out here but our tallest point is this piece so the io shield really shouldn't be getting in our way and let me just try it again weird situation [Music] [Music] okay so that time i twisted the motherboard in this corner instead of forcing it down i fed it in so this corner went in first i then brought the brought the rest of the board down and it's not quite it's pretty interesting because before you can see the edge of the bottom and the sides i can't even feel the edge of that i think that went through too far yet that's where it lines up with the screw hmm really should not be this difficult to put a motherboard in a case very unusual the board is not not sitting correctly it's definitely not sitting correctly right now it's not aligning itself as it should hmm you know what i'm going to do i'm going to take this fan out because i think it may be possible we're hitting the bottom of the you know you know i i can't really see that well with the bot with the fan there so even if it's not interfering i want to take it out and just see if i can get a better view of what's going on in there it's very strange okay let's put that over there for now get to that later what are we doing what's going on [Music] there that's in that's still at an angle and that side is showing and the screws aren't lined up it would have to come more this way it's super weird and that locks in that way and the screws still don't line up and you really have to push on the board hard to get those screws to line up let's see what i can do to lock this in place and give it one more shot i'm not too hopeful though i don't like the way that feels one okay so i've just done the three screws closest to the edge here and then we should have what five more to go right one two three four five that's how many i've got left look at me doing math okay some parentheses pop and click over here [Music] okay so that's all eight screws back in i'm gonna leave the fan out because you know i'm just gonna take this thing back apart again and we'll get these cables hooked up really here real quick here okay there we go and then just up with the front port headers on i'm not going to worry about the front audio i just want to see if this thing will at least power on because i got involved in this far longer than i was planning and um yeah i'm a little frustrated murphy's law man that's all it is it's like oh did you have plans that's nice okay reset power i don't need the power led but i'm going to put it on anyway because that's just the kind of guy i am there we go okay good enough let's power it up let's try to power it up power hdmi and usb is still in there okay turn that push that it is dead hmm okay well clearly there's something happening in this corner of the board and the design it really bothers me i'm i'm not quite sure if that's the problem but i just to have straps underneath the i o shield like that's very unusual it's definitely not fitting well and of course the reason that back plate isn't isn't having an issue for us is because it's all cut out back here right so it doesn't have a piece of metal to rest against like all of the standoffs do and those little metal brackets under the io shield and i don't know how much of that is maybe pushing so hard on the board it's bending it or you know maybe that's why this board was returned but given that the top m.2 slot doesn't work and these fit finishes it's so you know issues are they're so tight i definitely cannot recommend this motherboard regardless about the supposed well the the reported uh internet um network interface card issue that it has it has like multiple bad things going for it like if i send this back i'm not quite sure i'd want to get another one because i'm not quite sure the fitment's going to be any easier so what do you think yeah it looks like i'm sending this one back it's what it looks like i i hate to do that but uh yeah this one's got got some issues there some serious issues and you know amazon's not gonna penalize me or anything so send it back i'll order another one i'll give it one more try with the same board so we can continue the same test which was all about the network interface card nothing to do with any of this stuff so this is all new negative information but ideally it's just this one particular board and that a new board won't have these issues but i'll tell you what if i if i when i send this back and i get the new board if i have these fitment issues i will definitely put this on my do not do not recommend list for this specific model of board that's really strange they really made me work tonight so i'm not happy about it but thanks you guys for joining me i appreciate it very much and uh if you enjoy videos like this you can let me know by hitting that like button and of course if you want to know when i'm posting new content be sure and subscribe and then hit the bell icon check your notification settings in youtube you go to your youtube account you have one in the upper right corner go to your settings look to notifications also search for not getting notifications on youtube and look at the date the videos were made don't look at one from four years ago the settings are all different now so find a fairly recent you know maybe within 2020 2021 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Published: Fri Oct 22 2021