- [Aaron] I met Treyvon on a hookup site. I had just recently got
out of a relationship. I felt like there was a connection and we really just hit
it off, we really vibed. - [Nev] And you guys
both live near each other in Dallas, right? - Yeah, he's in Dallas, but we made several attempts to meet up and everything got shot down so after are so many
disappointments with that, I resumed talking to my ex. We got back together,
I'm engaged right now. - [Kamie] You have a ring? - [Aaron] I have a ring. Yeah, and I'm torn between two people. - [Nev] Hey Nev and
Kamie, my name is Deonn. I'm 28, and I live in Houston, Texas. Just a guy who works hard
and is trying to provide for my two kids. (camera clicking) Two years ago, a girl named
Lanise hit me up online. ♪ Running on my mind ♪ She's beautiful to be sure,
but she's not like other girls. ♪ Know that you're special ♪ Lanise is mature and caring. She's a single parent too. She's also smart and into business. I liked her right away. We messaged on Instagram for a bit and moved to talking and texting, but when we were supposed to meet up, that's when things got strange. - Of course. - [Nev] We both stayed
in Houston at the time so there shouldn't have been any problems, but when I went to meet
her, she ghosted me. Finally, she sent a text and said that she had to
work late unexpectedly. She's a single mom so
I get that it's hard. I could settle for a video chat, but she won't let me
see her on there either. ♪ You wanna try, let's try it ♪ ♪ You said that love is there ♪ ♪ Why would we deny it? ♪ Despite all that, we still
chat a lot and we just vibe. I wanna meet her. Recently she moved to Dallas, which is about three hours from me. She wants to meet up again, but I've had enough being stood up. Not sure if she's a
catfish or just a flake. Her excuses always make sense, but I want y'all's help
before I get played again. Thanks, Deonn. Take us back to that first message. How did it all go down? - So she messaged me, she
sent me the heart eyes. I end up responding back. We started talking a little bit. She was just a cool girl to talk to. - What do you like about her. - First I thought of her
as she just looked good. Let's just be real. But then as we like start
talking and texting and stuff, she actually made me like
find new hustles to make money because she actually have like
multiple sources of income. She's an entrepreneur. She like does hair and
sell lashes on the side. She put in my mind to like, you know, find other sources of income,
you know what I'm saying? - You feel like she's
investing in you as a person. - Without being with me,
you see what I'm saying? And so what could you
do if you were with me and with the other things in life, then money, she helped me level up. - So you genuinely feel
like Lanise has made you into a better man. - Oh, facts, facts. - Do you feel like you've
ever had anyone in your life like her before? - Nah, nobody don't care enough
for like all of that stuff. - We're at a point now
where we know enough to determine that Lanise
has been lying to you. - Yeah it do feel that way, definitely. - [Nev] Now maybe she's
just lying about the photos, maybe she's lying about more than that. - Yeah, right. - I think at the very
least we know that the girl in the pictures is not
who you're talking to. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that she's not somehow involved. - [Kamie] There's just something very off about this whole situation. I mean, how do you feel about everything? - This is so crazy. Whoever this person is,
we got to find this out. - I think at this point we need
to reach out to Lanise then and just say, Hey, here's what's up, trying to get you to finally FaceTime. Can you do it? And just see what she says. - I think you should do it. - So share your screen, and we'll all kind of work
on a message together. - Can we Zoom real quick? - Okay he sent it. Say "I wanna see you," heart eyes. - I don't know if I wanna send
some heart eyes right now. We ain't going too much heart eyes. - We have to play the role. Sometimes to get people to
come forward, you have to. - He did it, he knows. - Massage it. - Hey look, Deonn knows
how to butter a girl up. What? - She wrote back, "I'll video chat you. Are you single now?" - [Kamie] Why would she say that? - Man.
(Deonn laughing) That's so childish. - You've been single. - Okay, okay, okay, so just say, "Great, yeah, I'm single." Right, just. - He's been single this whole time. - Still, still single. - [Kamie] Still single. How about you?
Is she not? - Well, we don't want to start
asking questions in text. She said yes to video chat, so just say, "Great, yeah, still single." And then a new sentence. Here's the Zoom. - Okay. - What does she mean "Are you single now?" You weren't in a relationship when you first started
talking to her, were you? - It's a long story. It's a long story. - Deonn. Were you single? - Nah, I wasn't single,
like, nah, I wasn't single. - So, oh, "So you moved out
with your girlfriend already?" Wow, she's getting into it. - Yeah, great. - Wait, so when you met, did you tell her you were
living with your girlfriend? - [Deonn] Yes, but no, I was
not living with my girlfriend. I was like, I don't know what
you call, back and forth. - [Kamie] Deonn. - The past is past. - Is it? Who were you living with when
you were talking to Lanise? - Okay, when I first
met Lanise truthfully, this is the God honest truth,
when I first met Lanise, I was back and forth, right, and she was not even my
girlfriend yet, truthfully. She was not even my girlfriend. - Deonn, what's this girl's name? - Oh, her name is Shanice. - This girl's name was Shanice. - Yes. - And the girl you're talking
to his name is Lanise, and you don't see the correlation. - We don't call her that though. We call her Tinky, like
everybody call her Tinky. - So while you were talking
to this girl, Shanice, all of a sudden you get a
DM from a girl named Lanise. Is it possible that Tinky
wanted more from you, may have set this Lanise page
up to kind of distract you, and get some info on you
and kind of wrap you up? - When was the last time
you talked to Tinky? - I talked to Tinky. - Yesterday morning? Around the time when you talked to Lanise? - Like 9:30, 3:00 AM. - Here's a better question. When was the last time? - Wait a second.
- You hooked up with Tinky? - Okay. - Probably like last. - Oh. - Hey, how are y'all? - Oh my God. It's Shanice. - Shanice! - What? Wait what? - Aka Tinky! - Yeah, Tinky Pinky. - Come on now. We, no, no, no, no. Hell no. - You mean you, you, you, you. - What are you doing? That's so lame. - I know it's very lame
that people look for people on the internet that they don't know, send them text messages,
pictures, call em video chats, and just, oh, they having
the time of your life I bet, and did you just tell the
girl you still single? You wanna be single? - No, no, what are you doing? - You wanting them meet
a woman you don't know while you got a girlfriend
that you've been with. - [Kamie] A girlfriend? - Yeah, I'm his fiance. (Kamie squealing) - What? Deonn! - Marry?
What? How you gonna marry
somebody do stuff like that? What are you talking like? That's what I be, why do
I be running into like, y'all be crazy, bro. - You could be babysitting, but instead just sitting
here trying to meet somebody from the internet, from Instagram. How many other people have
you met off Instagram Deonn? You're a dog. - Do you guys live together? - [Shanice] No. - [Nev] Shanice, how long
have you guys been dating? - Well, it's gonna be three years. (dramatic music) - No it be off and on like. - But you're on right now. Technically. - Technically right? - [Shanice] Yes.
- Oh boy. - Yes, we both talked
about like getting married. - How often do we talk
about getting married? - So you don't wanna marry me, is that what you're saying? - I'm not saying I wouldn't marry you, but I'm saying we don't
talk about this like, oh, this ain't no prime conversation. - Deonn, we ain't here to homewreck. Why you drag us in your (beep)? The fact that you never
mentioned Shanice to us is crazy. - It's a problem, that's a problem. That's a problem. Like I'm a ghost. - She be crazy. - I mean the craziest thing is
that she still talks to you. Well, wait a second, so just to see how he
would respond to a girl flirting with him, you sent
him that message as Lanise. - Yes. - And when he responded and indicated that he would talk to her,
why didn't you then just say, well, I guess he's not
gonna be loyal and move on. - [Shanice] Because I
want him to waste his gas and pull up on places just so he can make a fool out of hisself, 'cause he is making a fool out of me. - For two years? - What the (beep) are
you talking about bro? Come on Shanice. - We're obviously learning
a lot about, well you both, but Deonn, you hadn't mentioned to us that
you were in a relationship. If you had told us, I don't know that we would've helped you. What if Lanise had been real? Then she finally wanted
to meet up with you. What was the plan? - I don't even know no more. I don't know, (beep) crazy. Like we be around each other
so you could have just said like, you could have just been like, Hey, whatever you doing, I don't like it. Stop, whatever, like,
but you bro, you like. (Deonn mumbling) - His mind is fogged with his infidelity. - And the subject is
players getting played. That sounds shady. My name is Fred and I live
in Treeport, Louisiana. I've got a bit of a situation
here regarding my brother Dre. A couple months back, Dre
tells me that he's talking to this woman named Casey. ♪ Mirrors and smoke, I know you're close ♪ No big deal, my brother
talks to women all the time. He's a born flirt. (upbeat music) Can't stop chasing love. He shows me her picture,
this woman is a catfish. ♪ I can't decide what's wrong or right ♪ - She won't talk on the phone, she won't video chat,
and she won't meet up though she stays in Atlanta
so I guess that's not too bad. This girl also has two phone numbers and her social media is
not what you'd expect from a fine looking woman. - Oh God. - Dre is buying all sorts
of excuses from her. (upbeat music) He's obsessed with
meeting her to the point that he's blowing up his whole life. ♪ You got me standing on the edge ♪ I can't get through to him, but I'm hoping you'll have better luck. Can you help him out
before he does something he can't come back from? - What is he doing? - I don't know. I think we gotta give
his brother Fred a call. All right, hey Fred, just read your email. Join our Zoom. - Casey has two phone numbers. - Who has two phone numbers if they won't even talk on the phone? - Hey.
- Hey. What's up man? - I can't actually believe
you guys called me. - [Nev] Hold on a second. I wanna know a little bit
more about your safety vest. Is your apartment a high
traffic industrial zone? - Current on my lunch break right now. - Okay so you're at work. - Yeah. - So is Dre your like blood brother? - Yes ma'am yep. Dre's my older brother by three months. - Oh wow. - Oh, so he's your half brother? - Yeah, yep.
Half brother. - How old are you Fred? - I'm 29. - You guys live nearby to each other? - Actually, his girlfriend is mad at him because of his extracurricular activities so he is actually staying
at my house right now. - Wait a minute, wait, wait. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You said Dre has a girlfriend? - Yeah. - [Nev] How long has
he had this girlfriend? - Gotta be at least what,
six years, maybe seven. That's pretty serious. They got a kid. (Kamie laughing) - And he lives with her? - Yeah, yeah. - Does she know about Casey? - I would assume she does
if she kicked him out. - Is your brother a hoe? - Yeah, he's definitely
a slut, that's for sure. (Kamie laughing) And this girl that he's
apparently in love with, I went on her Facebook,
she only got like two pics. To me, just screams catfish, either that at she's like some
type of scammer or something. She just doesn't seem real,
but he's really feeling her, and his girlfriend is
actually a good girl. The reason I wrote to the show because I just wanted him to learn his lesson, not to lose his girlfriend
that really loves him. - I know, but it sounds like
he deserves to get catfished. I mean, if he's cheating on his girl. Have you talked to Dre at all about you wanting to kind of
potentially reach out to us? - Yeah, I did mention it to him. He kinda laughed it off though. He didn't think I was serious. - Here comes karma. We're coming for you. - Tell me his number and I'll text him. - [Fred] 318 (beeping). - [Kamie] Everybody needs a
little tough love sometimes as messy as it is. - My text just went through. You think he's gonna be mad? - Nah, not really. He's like a jokester,
you know what I mean? So I don't think he'll be mad, but I think he he'll be shocked for sure. Actually gotta get back to work, so. - [Kamie] Hello! Surprise. I can hear the shock through the screen. - Hey, you said, Hey well,
so yeah, definitely shocking. (people laughing) - You seem a little lost for words. - I'm definitely surprised. I saw, you know, what's going on, right? But I mean. - Obviously Fred here reached out because you been talking
about this girl Casey and thinks she might be a catfish. - I just wanted you to you to figure out if this Casey girl is really real or not. You willing to risk it all, and you haven't even
really met this girl yet so it's just weird to me, it's strange. I think she doesn't even exist. - Well, all right so Fred, I know you've gotta go back to work. - What time you get off? - You know, I get off at five o'clock. I will catch you when
I get off work though. - Thanks Fred. We'll talk to you soon. - Bye Fred. Dre, you've got some explaining to do. Obviously we found out about Casey, but then we found out that you have a girlfriend of six years. - It makes it sound worse than what it is, but yes, definitely. - Can you explain the situation
then so that we understand? - I look at it like this, all right. If you like to read books, do you that stay
interested in that one book or do you like to go read many books? I like to read many books. - [Kamie] So then you
should be single Dre. - Does your girlfriend know
about and is she okay with you reading other books? - Yeah, she caught my book
open a couple days ago and I've been staying at Fred's house. - So she's not okay with it. - She's not okay. She's definitely not okay. - We didn't get your girlfriend's name. - Her name is Rebecca. She basically caught my phone open and we got into a big fight and now she basically threw my phone and she proceeded to throw everything else that I love in the house. She bleach clothes, threw
literally everything, everything that I love
that's materialistic, she's damaged it. - But do you want to continue being in a relationship with her? - Oh yeah, that's bae. That's bae. We have a daughter. - [Nev] How old is your daughter? - Five. You know, I love seeing
my daughter wake up. - You seem to love your
girlfriend and your daughter. She's bae. - It's bae forever. Can't live without her, but
definitely I'm interested in Casey too. - Okay.
- Dre. - Yeah. - You know, as a woman, I
can't condone this behavior. - What if this is just
Rebecca's way of finding out and then we can all be one big happy. - What? - You know, can all be friends, we can all be more than friends, we could all play pool together. - You can't make that decision for her. - You understand that you're
taking a big risk here in pursuing Casey. Like you might potentially
end the relationship with your girlfriend. - It's just a risk that
I'd be willing to take. - So tell us how you met Casey. - See, I was just on IG
and Casey shot her shot. I usually, when girls,
you know, that aggressive, they got something good about 'em. You know, confidence is a big thing. I like confident. That what's sexy, confidence,
so I looked at her pictures, she was pretty, looked kind of thick. I definitely wanted to
see what that was like. - So you guys are having
sexual conversations. This is not just friendly talks. - I was trying to, but nah, I was asking for pictures
and stuff like that. The sex conversation
could have got deeper, but we gotta talk, and she really is a good girl. She moved to Atlanta to help her granny, and she was basically doing makeup, cosmetic type of work
from her grandma house so it gave me the go getter vibe. Not only do she look good, she could be a good person. - Okay. - But I was trying to video chat her. She always act like
she had phone problems. She used to always insinuate that she needed a phone like
she wanted me to get it. - [Kamie] Because she said
I would video chat you if I had a new phone. - Do you have any pictures that
you could show us right now? - Yeah, I can show you. Lemme see. - Okay, all right. So, okay, so Casey (beep). (upbeat music) - She's cute. Are you over here liking (beep) while we're on this damn thing Dre? You can't wait? - I didn't see that one. I saw that one when I didn't see that one. That one, I really like this one right here. - Why does she not have
a lot of like likes or anything on the pictures? - Right, so, I mean, obviously the Facebook page is suspicious. If you said to us right
now, you know what guys? It's not worth it. I wanna make sure I don't lose
the relationship that I have, I would understand. - I still wanna meet Casey. I definitely want to. - Right, but what if she's
not the girl in the pictures. - At worst, I hope it's still a female. I don't want it to be a man. I mean, you know, that's basically only. - You said you like to
read a lot of books. - Books, they ain't say binders. I'm talking about books. (Kamie laughing) - Well, Dre, we don't condone cheating, but we will help you because hopefully it can get you back on track
with your real relationship and quit this (beep). - I appreciate that. - Here's where we're at 'cause
now we're pretty confident, and I think you are too, that Casey's not the girl on the pictures and her current phone
number when we called it a dude answered. - Right, definitely not a good sign. - Because of your situation with Rebecca and the fact that you
and her have a daughter and it does sound like you
have a lot of love for her and you plan on continuing
your relationship with her, what do you want to do? We could keep going and
pursue this Casey person or you could just walk away. - I wanna know what's going on. You know, I wanna get to the bottom of it. - [Nev] I don't want
your daughter or Rebecca to have to see on television
that you're messing around with other girls. - Right, right. - If you think you have a
real future with Rebecca, you're gonna have to
quit acting like a fool and commit to her but at some point she's gonna leave your ass. - I live a dangerous life, and it's always a percentage
she might leave me. I like living on an edge like that. - If family and Rebecca
is really what you want and you want this relationship to work, we're giving you an opportunity
to make things right. - [Nev] You could just walk away. - However it ends Dre, karma is a bitch, and whatever's coming to you, you deserve. It could be bad. - See if there'll, you
know, video chat us. - [Nev] Right, that would be the best. Hey Casey, this is Nev from catfish. We're making an episode right
now with your friend Dre. As you know, he has wanted
to meet you for a while now, and we were hoping at
the very least to see if you'd be willing to
video chat with us today. All right, let me share my text screen now and so she writes back,
we can all be in it. - So Dre, if Casey comes in the chat and it's not the girl that
you know in the pictures, but it's still a good looking girl. - It's all about the vibe
that person giving out. I go by vibrations so. - We know. - Come on, Dre. You were trying to smash brother, come on. - [Dre] Yeah, I was definitely trying to smash. - Oh, oh. Look, we got bubbles. We got text bubbles. - Typing, typing, typing.
- Typing bubbles. - Oh my God, I don't like this. - Ooh. "I don't know. Is he sure he really want to meet me?" - Hell yeah. That sound like, I mean
just from reading it, it look like a girl wrote that. I got money on this girl. - So, okay. So you're excited about the
fact that it could be a girl. - I'm intrigued by the fact
that it could be a girl. - I was just say also, just so you know, Dre knows that you're not
the girl in the photos. He is still very
interested in meeting you. Take a little bit of the pressure off. Oh, oh, Casey's typing. Let's see what they say. Well, I'll do it, but
I need like 15 minutes. Okay, here is the link. Come join us, thanks. I mean, there is a chance
it could be Rebecca. - I hope it is her. - Now you hope it's Rebecca. - I mean, yes, because it takes with
some of the harshness of it. - You just don't wanna get in trouble. That's what it is. You don't want to get
caught up in your (beep), your own (beep) you created,
and if it's Rebecca, then you can be like, see
I'm attracted to you, babe. It was you all along. - Oh, oh, she just wrote back. Okay, I'm coming in now. Get ready. (Kamie mimicking a heartbeat)
(dramatic music) Oh man. - Hi. - Hello. - Hi.
- How you doin'? - I'm good, how are you guys? - Doing good - You're Casey? - Yes I am. - Is that your name or should
we call you something else? - You guys can call me Charisma. - Charisma, okay. I like that. - Dre, you've never met Charisma before. - Never in my life. - So and Charisma, do you
know Dre from somewhere or do you guys just both
meet through Instagram? - Through Instagram. - Well, Dre, this is the opposite of what
I thought was gonna happen. - [Nev] I'm shocked. - I mean. - [Nev] I just wanna know a
little bit about you Charisma. Where do you live? How old are you? What do you do? I just kind of, we don't
know anything about you. - I live in Dallas actually and I am 22 years old. - 22. - I am in school. I go to (beep) Institute,
mortuary school to be mortician. - Oh wow. - So Charisma, what was it about Dre? I mean, how did you come
across him to begin with? - His social media. He just seemed real chill,
really chill, and himself. I like that, I like that a lot. - I am chill. I am definitely chill. You seem chill too, definitely. - [Charisma] And I actually
really do like you, Dre, honestly. - [Dre] Yeah, I like that, I like that. You know, you could
have definitely had used your own pictures. You would've probably got
a better conversation. And now you was talking about the phone, like your phone was broke. Like, what was that all about? Like you was just scared
to video chat me like that? - No, I actually have bad connection. I did have bad connection. I would love to, if you are willing to gimme
the shot to get to know me. Are you willing to still talk to me? - Yeah, we could be cool. Definitely be cool, yes, yes. Shoot me.
(dramatic music) (woman laughing) - Who is this? - What the (beep)? - I'm Casey. What? - Are you Rebecca? - Man. What the (beep). That's my sister. What you doing now? What's going on? - And what's your name? - Jackie. - Jackie, and you are Dre's sister? - Yeah, that's my brother. - Blood sister? - Blood sister, yeah same father. So she really had nothing to do with this? - Nope. - That's messed up though. Why would you do me like that? - Charisma, is that really your name? - Yes, it is. - This is my friend Charisma, and she helped me out when I needed her. She don't have nothing to do with this. - Why would you?
Why would you? You played on my time. You know, why would you do that? - You'd be you kind of a thot. You be acting thirsty all on social media and you got a whole
girlfriend that love you. You know, you got a
baby, you got a daughter, and I was just like,
tired of you being a thot. I just wanted you to kind
of respect your girlfriend. - So basically you baited me. - You don't have to take the bait, but that shows you like
how you kind of a thot. - The type of message I was sending, I'm asking for (beep) pictures and (beep) like, that's, you know that
going to my sister, you know? So, I mean. - [Jackie] You ain't get nothing sick to. - I didn't, I know I didn't get nothing. All right, that's facts. But I'm saying, I asked that,
you know what I'm saying? Like type of messages I would say, like I wanna see that ass from
the back like (beep) that. That's (beep) up. My sister really did a number on me. - Karma's a bitch. - It's messed up. - Jackie, was it weird for you
to be talking to your brother in a kind of flirtatious way? - Yeah, it was weird. I kept trying to get
off conversation 'cause I don't wanna hear nothing about that. He be trying to put on so
much charm, but it be so fake. Yes I really want to be with you. I'm trying to be with you. He's so sweet, but that
ain't the real drag 'cause how he be making Rebecca look. You two different people. - When you were talking to Dre as Casey, did he say that he was in a relationship? - You ain't even tell me that
you had girlfriend at that so it's like you weren't even trying, you weren't even thinking
about your family. - No I was. I'm always thinking about my family. I did tell you I had a daughter. - What he say? - You know, the daughter
came from, you know, a womb. So I mean. - Are you kidding me? Are you calling your girlfriend a womb? - Is that? That's what she is? - I'm saying something's
should go without saying. I disclosed to Casey, Casey, which. - [Jackie] I told you. - Dre. What? - [Nev] Dear Nev and Kamie, hi guys. My name is Zay. I'm a 23 year old female barber living just outside of Tampa, Florida. ♪ I'm always walking to
the same old place. ♪ I'm in a very delicate situation
and could use your help. First off, I think I should
tell you that I'm married. (dramatic negative music) - That is already a bad sign. - Yeah. My wife and I have been
together for three years and we were happy at one time, but everything changed when
we tied the knot a year ago. ♪ In my dream world ♪ I was in a lot of pain and
I didn't have anyone I felt I could talk to until I met Jayda. ♪ I'm still your baby ♪ I first saw Jayda about five months ago when she slid into my DMS. ♪ I'm still your dream girl ♪ We started messaging nonstop
and before I knew it, I was falling for her. ♪ I'm still your dream girl ♪ Because I was trying to
hide things from my wife, we kept things on DM. Jayda is amazing. I've never met anyone like her before. She lives on the edge and tries to do something new every day, which is so dope to me. She's also incredibly caring. ♪ Now I'm calling you at 3 AM. ♪ I've never had someone in my life who cared for me like that. ♪ I may be acting crazy
now, it's way too late ♪ ♪ You took my heart away ♪ Two months into talking, things had gotten serious between us and while I knew stepping out
on a marriage wasn't okay, I really wanted to meet Jayda. I offered to go visit her in Atlanta. When she brought up my wife saying she didn't wanna meet
until that was resolved. I bit the bullet and
told my wife everything, but she still couldn't meet me. (dramatic music) I know that having an
emotional affair isn't okay, and that I might not
deserve a happy ending. I'd really appreciate
if you could look beyond what I've done and help me find the truth. ♪ I'm still your dream girl. ♪ Thanks, Zay. - Zay is literally about
to end her entire marriage. - Obviously I don't encourage cheating, whether it's physically or emotionally, while you're in a committed relationship, but let's talk about Jayda. - My biggest issue with the
current pop culture climate of what's going on right now is the fact that her name is Jayda. Jada and Will, the entanglement. - Yeah. - And that is exactly what Zay is in with Jayda and her wife. It's an entanglement. - We gotta get a little
bit more info from Zay. Can we text her?
- [Kamie] Hit her up. - [Nev] See if she's avail. Oh great, I would love to. Just send her the link. Hey. (upbeat music) - [Nev] Hey.
- [Kamie] Hello! - Hi guys. How you guys doing? - [Kamie] Good. Where are you from? - New York City, out from Queens. - I knew it. I could tell by your accent. I was like, why is she from Tampa but has a New York accent? - Sound like New York, right? - Definitely, yes. Sounds like you're in a tough situation. - Because you were married, so you were living with your wife. Are you still married? Do you still live together? - Still legally married,
still living together in the midst of finding my own place now. - And what are things like
with your wife and you? - Things have been very
difficult this past I would say year and a half going on. Like a lot of miscommunication, a lot of doing things
behind each other's back, at least on my end so it's been a lot. - What's your wife's name? - Eris. - And how long have you been with Eris? - We went to college together in New York and that's where we met. - So what would you say like
the major issues have been? - I've had a lot of loss as
far as death in my family and I feel like she wasn't
being as sensitive to that topic as you know, I am. Then this is a little personal,
but a lot of lack in sex, so that's what kind of
drew me away as well. Well, honestly it drew
me all the way away. - But at the time when Jayda
first reached out to you, were you still willing
to work on your marriage? - At first, I was. I talked to my wife about
it, like I hinted things like I'm not happy, and then she'll try to
do things to kind of like make up for that. It just, I wasn't feeling it. - So did you tell Eris
about this whole situation while in quarantine? - I did. It was hard for me to lay
everything out on a table and be honest, but I had to. She took it really hard. - Does Eris know that you're going through the process of trying to meet Jayda? - She knows now. - Do you mind just repeating
for me how you met Jayda? - [Zay] She followed me and then that's when I followed her back just based off of like
her little icon picture. I like how it looked and then she DMed me. Was nothing but like
friendly conversations, talk about the future, our lives, and different things like that. So then I would say like
a couple of weeks later, that's when things kind of
started to spiral as far as getting flirtatious and
talking on a different level. - What else can you tell us about her? Just general sort of info. - [Zay] So we're the same age basically. I know she told me she lives in Atlanta and she told me a lot
about like her childhood, her not having the best upbringing, places she's traveled to,
things she's done, her work. She's a hair stylist and stuff like that. - Can we see what she looks like? - Yep. - Me and Kamie are just like. - Entanglement. - Jada, right? - "Catfish" edition. - Boom. - All right, oh, jay.barbieee. Okay, all right. Well click on one, click
on one and then scroll. - She's cute. - Wait, well, who is this? Engaged? - So this is something that
we had an argument about over Instagram. She basically was like,
this is just my friend. It's nothing like that. We've been best friends for
years and things like that, and I was like, okay, well how come I never
heard about this person? I've never heard. I've never even seen the
picture of her before. - [Nev] Yeah, it's just
odd to use those emojis for her friend. And can you show us your messages quickly? - [Kamie] You guys talk a lot. - [Nev] Wow. - All right so. - It's only July, whoa, which
she wants you to marry her like you married your first. Wow. - [Kamie] I'll come to you are
right now if you leave her. This sounds like you are
in an, not an entanglement, an entrapment. You are being trapped. You are being baited. She sent her number and then said, but I can't be on the
phone, I lost my voice, and she has a 917, isn't 917 New York? - [Zay] That is New York. - She said, I lost my voice, and you said, drink some
tea, tea should help, and she said, tea won't work. - Look, I was trying, I was trying. - Have you guys even
just talked on the phone? - I tried. I called a couple of times, like then every time I call
either someone hangs up on the other line or when I
say hello, they'll hang up so that's as far as I got with that. - She said, I love you so much. You complete me. You said, I love you too. You complete me too, baby girl. - [Zay] I did, I know. (dramatic music) - I'm sorry. - Makeda. (dramatic music) - Somebody explain something. What's going on? (dramatic music) - It wasn't Jayda that you was talking to. - Clearly. - Just for our sake. Can you just kind of give us
a little bit of background as to how you guys know each other? - We went to college together. - Okay, and so you made the fake profile for Jayda on Instagram? - Yes. - Why? - Zay's very close friend to me, and she was going through a lot, her marriage and I just
wanted to like help her out. I didn't really need
to know this to happen. I don't really know what to say to you. You look disappointed. - But why you couldn't just
come to me as a regular friend, not had to fake some (beep) or lie? Like this, your whole mental
and your motive behind this was really stupid I really hope that you. - Not really. - How was it not really? - 'Cause clearly it got you somewhere. You wanted to leave. I tried to get you out of that
and you wanted to be happy and I wanted to see you happy. I just wanted you to see that there was other options out there. - What was the strategy
then for the Jayda profile? What was your concept
of how that would work? - She was pretty attractive. I knew that Zay would talk to her so it was an easy way to get to her for her to open up to me. This is what she wanted. - What do you mean when
you say what she wanted? Explain that. - This is what she wanted. She wanted to leave Eris so I figured out a way
to get that to happen. I mean, what are you
really upset about exactly? - The fact that it was a
very close friend of mine, somebody that I really did
trust, somebody that I did love. You was a really good friend to me. - So you don't love me
as a friend right now. - I don't. The love is the last on my mind. - [Makeda] All that went out the window. - It did. - How did it go from you
trying to be a friend and creating this profile to encourage Zay to make a good decision to you guys flirting and talking about starting a relationship? - I don't know. It's just something I
really have to tell you, but I just don't know how to say it. - So tell us please. It'll only help better
understand the situation if you let whatever it is that's weighing you down off your chest. - Me and Zay slept together
(dramatic music) and she know it's true. - [Nev] What? - [Zay] And I told you that was a mistake. I don't wanna bring that up. - [Makeda] Was it really a mistake? - Zay what the (beep)? - What the (beep) is right? Is that true? - I mean like, as far as with Makeda that like, I didn't really want that out. - [Nev] Wait, so you slept with Makeda. - This was like three months ago though. - She came over, one thing led to another, that's what happened. But what I really have to tell you is that (dramatic music) I slept with Eris as well two
days after I slept with you. - Makeda shut the (beep) up. No, you didn't. - I did. - I'm not believing that until I hear the same
thing outta Eris' mouth. - We both know how easy Eris is. - [Zay] You need to
cut your (beep) Makeda. Yes, we got our issues, but you talking crazy about
my wife at the end of the day. You know how I feel about
that disrespectful (beep). - You don't wanna hear the truth. - I've been trying to hear the truth. That's what all of the (beep) is about. Are you (beep) dumb? - Why can't we just get
Eris to come talk to us? I think we really do need to talk to her. I've invited Eris to
join us so that we can all just make sure we understand
what did and didn't happen. - We not on good terms,
not on the best terms, but at the end of the day, I know my wife and I know that didn't happen. - Eris, just message. This is not honestly
something she wants to do. Do I have to show my face?
I really don't want to. So I said, I understand you
don't have to show your face, but we need you here to
speak for yourself, please. She said, okay, fine. - [Eris] Hello? - [Nev] Eris? - [Eris] Yes. - So I'm just gonna sort of
set the stage here for you. Eris, I think you know Makeda. Turns out she's the person
that made the profile for Jayda that Zay recently to told you about. - [Eris] Wow, this is ridiculous. Hold on. - I'll let Zay kind of
take over and explain. - I wanna tell you something
that I should have told you back in like June. I was over at Makeda's house
and we slept together one time. - [Eris] What the (beep)? I'm here being loyal and
committed to our marriage regardless of what we've
been through and stuff. I know that our situation
hasn't been great, but that doesn't give
you the right to go out and do what you wanna do. That's just not how that works, because if it was the other way around, I'm pretty sure that you
wouldn't be fond of that. - [Nev] Well, that's what
we wanted to talk to you. Makeda claims that you
guys slept together. - [Eris] Oh really? - Oh. - Makeda, we did not sleep together. Maybe you guys slept together, but I know I sure didn't
open up my legs to you. - Stop lying Makeda. You don't think you look
stupid or delusional right now? - I can't believe I'm being
lied on my freaking vagina, like my vagina is being lied on. I'm confused. Like, why would you say that? - Okay, well, it was to get back at Zay because she broke my heart. She hurt my feelings. - [Zay] You're crazy. I broke your heart, but you're the one that pretended to be
Jayda for five months. - So? - You did that and I told you what it was when we did sleep together. Like you knew what it was so I'm confused as to
how I broke your heart when we agreed on something and
to not speak about it again. - All right, so look, let
me just get this straight. So Makeda you said you
and Eris slept together because you were hurt when you found out that the hookup with Zay didn't mean what you maybe had hoped it would. - Yes, that's what it was. At the end of the day, I mean, I hope that we can
rekindle this friendship. Like I didn't mean to hurt Zay. I didn't mean to hurt you. - But you did. - [Makeda] And I'm sorry for that. - This is not a friendship
that can be rekindled after you did what you did
and I hope you know that. Like you're the one that
was catfishin' my spouse, you're the one that slept
with my spouse behind my back, 'cause you ain't married to her. I'm legally married to her. Not you or any other broad, it's me. - Okay, well, like I said, I'm sorry. - No, you're not. I don't wanna rekindle. - [Makeda] No, I am, and if you don't wanna be
friends, it's fine with me. Like I'm done, I don't
wanna do this anymore. Like I'm just finished at this point. - [Nev] Hey Nev and Kamie. My name is Aaron. I'm 30 from Dallas, Texas, and I'm reaching out to you guys because I am in a hairy pickle, which are not two words that
I would normally really want together.
- The image that I have in my head. I would like to not
imagine that, thank you. - About nine months ago, I
met Treyvon on a hookup app. I was just out of a breakup and wasn't looking for anything serious, but immediately we hit
it off with mad vibes. ♪ If you wanna love, if you
wanna live, if you wanna ♪ After a couple of days of chatting, ♪ Maybe we can work it out ♪ I was ready to meet up, but Trey wasn't comfortable
meeting in person because of COVID. So we just kept chatting
and he surprised me. I'd never met anyone who understands me as if we're split from the same body. I'm head over heels for
this guy with mad feelings. (upbeat music) - It's mad vibes, mad feelings, mad crazy. - I like this guy's language. - I put forth many efforts
to talk on the phone, video chat, and meet up, but he always has an excuse
and it never happens. I was thrilled when he
finally did ask me to meet up. ♪ It's now time to turn around ♪ But that resulted in getting stood up ♪ So high ♪ and it did make me start
to question Treyvon, but then something happened in my life that threw me for a loop
that made me question my future with Treyvon all together. He's not gonna tell us what that was. - I'm like what is it? God, okay. - [Nev] But despite that, I
couldn't stop talking to him. I'm in a really bad situation right now and I don't know what to do. I've been keeping a secret from Treyvon and I'm nervous to reveal it. You're my only hope at happiness. Thanks, Aaron. - Oh. Yay.
- Hey. - Hey. - So, okay so we just read your email. I don't know where to start. - So about nine months ago, I met Treyvon on a hookup site. I had just recently got
out of a relationship so I wasn't really looking
for anything serious, just kinda like sow my
royal oats as they say. Right, see, she gets it. So anyway, I'm there and I'm just looking, but I met Treyvon and I
actually like this guy, I felt like there was a connection and we really just hit
it off, we really vibed. - [Nev] And you guys both live near each other in Dallas, right? - Yeah, he's in Dallas, but we made several attempts to meet up and everything got shot down, so after so many
disappointments with that, I resumed talking to my ex. We got back together and
then he proposed to me. - Wow. - So are you engaged right now? - I'm engaged right now, but I didn't stop talking to Treyvon. - You have a ring? - I have a ring. (Kamie gasping) - Yeah, and I'm torn between two people and I don't wanna miss my opportunity at being happy with someone
I feel like understands me and knows me rather than
settling for just what I have. - [Nev] Well, Aaron, there are probably women
in the world who if I met, I would fall in love with, but I made a (beep)
choice to be with my wife. - That part. - So if you're not ready
to make that commitment. - Well we're not married
yet, we're engaged. - That's true. - [Aaron] I do have that time. - Look, one of them gotta go. - At the end of it, year
one does have to go, and that's why I needed
your help to find out am I making the right choice? - So you and your fiance, do
you guys live together now? - Yes. - So where is he? - Work. - So we are helping you
be sneaky right now. - So here's my question, if we connect with Treyvon and it is him and he does live in Dallas
and he reveals to you that he was sort of in a relationship and that's over now and
he wants to be with you, are you gonna break things
off with your fiance? What's your plan? - My plan is to meet up with him and feel it out and see where it goes, but the way I feel about him, I feel like I'm probably
gonna end the engagement and move forward with Treyvon. - But don't you think that
you should do that anyway? Maybe this is all a sign that
your fiance is not the one that you're supposed to have that with. - I can make that decision afterwards. I want a little more information. - Okay. - We did some research. We have some information. We're not sure really what it means, but hopefully you can actually help make some sense out of it. - Okay. - So I'm gonna share my screen and show you kind of what we did. So we ran all the pictures and none of them came
back with any results. Now, here's where it gets interesting. We ran the phone number. - Okay. - And the phone number came back to someone named Paris (beep). Now does that name mean anything to you? - Hell freaking yeah. - I told you! I told you it would! Okay, tell, tell us, tell us,
tell us, tell us, tell us. - That's my fiance. - What? - Yeah. - Shut up. - Wait, I thought your
fiance's name was Hakeem. - That's his stage name. - His stage name is Hakeem Davenport. His real name is Paris (beep). - Oh my God. Wait a second so. - Aaron. - Okay, okay, okay, okay,
okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. - That's your fiance's actual name? - Yeah. - Well then I guess Treyvon is your fiance because the phone number
comes back to that name. Oh my goodness. - The pickle is no longer hairy. The pickle is on fire. - Why does he go by Hakeem Davenport? - Davenport is a drag last name. - Oh, it is?
Okay. - Wow. - What's going through your mind? - I just don't understand, if it is him, why would you do that
instead of just coming to me? And if you wanted to get on a more intimate side of getting to know me and knowing what I like
and what it is that I want and want to be, just come to me and give me the
opportunity to talk to you. Why do you have to be someone else and then keep up with charade
and have me wondering, am I torn between two people or am I just torn between
a crazy ass person? - Now wait a sec. I'm obviously with you all in assuming that it is your fiance,
but at the same time, the phone search indicated
the number is a text app, and I don't think we've
ever seen a text app number come back with a name attached. Could someone have done that on purpose? Like, is there someone who could potentially be messing with you? - Right, because if I'm your fiance, and if I see now that you
are still trying to carry on a relationship with me as Treyvon, I'm outing you right there. - If that is him, why
would you keep it going on? - And it is weird that when he registered that text app number,
he put his real name. - Right. Could someone be trying
to make it seem like they're your fiance talking to you to try to set you up in some kind of way. - This is (beep) just crazy, man. This is like, wow. - I am now concerned because what time does
Paris get off of work? - He got a couple hours. - When Paris gets home
tonight, it's gonna be weird, and rather than you guys potentially or likely getting into it
and it becoming an issue or a fight or an argument or whatever, maybe we should text him right now and just see what he says. - Oh, it's the only way
we're gonna find out I guess. I figured out something from this point. - So what's Paris's number? - 470 (beep). - All right, I'll say, Hey Paris, this Nev from "Catfish," we're
working on an episode now and would love to chat with you. Please gimme a call when you can, thanks. So that's sent. - Wow, wow, wow. - What do we think the chances are that Paris is a non participant
in this entire thing? He has nothing to do with it. - I think those odds are going down every moment we don't hear back from him. - I kind of figured like
after last night it was him, but I was like really
hoping that it wasn't. - What, did something come in? You got a text? - Yeah, but it's from Treyvon. - Oh no. - Wow. - No. - Is this Paris like
trying to make it seem like they're different people
just like casually texting. - What are you? You're casually texting back. - What else am I gonna do? I want to get straight to it, like my next question was about to be getting straight to it. - And let's (beep) do it. (phone ringing) - Are you calling Treyvon? - [Aaron] Yeah. - [Treyvon] Hello? - Treyvon? - [Treyvon] Yes, this is Treyvon. Who is this? - It's Aaron. - He would know if that was Paris' voice. - Paris probably put
someone else on the phone. - I need to talk to you about something and I've been dying to meet you. I've been trying to meet you
for months, countless months. We've been planning to meet
up, you've been blowing me off, and I need to talk to
you like face to face. Are you able to do a Zoom? - [Treyvon] You know, I
just really don't have time for it right now, like we can meet I just don't have time for it right now. - Since you don't, you really
don't have time for it, I'll just go in and just lay it out there. I got back in a relationship with my ex and we are now engaged
and planning for a wedding towards the end of the year, but I had very strong feelings for you or have very strong feelings for you, and what I wanted to know was
if you and I were something that was supposed to happen or just something that was
just supposed to be overlooked. - [Treyvon] Wow. So would you, you wanna leave him for me? I mean. - Is there something you're hiding from me or keeping from me? - [Treyvon] Are you gonna
leave your boyfriend for me? That's the question. I'll be willing. I'll
be willing to see you if you leave your boyfriend. - No, you're giving me an ultimatum. After the first time of
us being on the phone, You're giving me ultimatums. - [Treyvon] Let's just make a deal, okay? You willing to meet your boyfriend then I'll allow you to see me and I'll tell you the truth, everything. - Sure, say yes. - Say no. (Nev laughing) - Yeah, sure. That's what I'll do. - [Treyvon] Okay, all right then. (phone beeping) - He hung up. - It's a trap. - He just put me in the
ultimatum to leave my fiance. - Because it's a trap. - It's gotta be a friend. Did you recognize the voice? - No. - Paris is with whoever that person is and put him on the phone and
he was probably telling him, just find this out. - I really just want him
to send him the link. - [Kamie] Send him the link. What is your plan? If Paris pops in here,
which I'm assuming he will, what is your plan? - If this is him, it's
gonna piss me off really, like worse than what I am
already feeling pissed off and angry and upset. - Is a part of you still
thinking that the Treyvon in the pictures is gonna come in the Zoom? - Yeah. Yeah. If it is Paris, of course
I'm gonna be upset about that so I'm hoping that Treyvon is actually the person in the picture or
somebody else all together. - This is Paris. It is. - So he says he's ready to talk. - Are you ready? - Hey, ready, Freddy. - Hey! - What the (beep) was
you do some stupid (beep) like this for? - Yeah, are you gagging now, yeah! - All you had to do was sit up and (beep) to me in the house. What the (beep) is this about? Pretending to be somebody else? - We both lie in this relationship. - [Aaron] I'm one person. I'll introduce myself as
Aaron, not as anybody else. - Now, now listen to me. You reached out to who? - [Aaron] I reached out. - To Treyvon, say his name. Who did you reach out to? Did you ever tell me about Treyvon? Have you ever talked to me about Treyvon? - What the (beep)? You're Treyvon fool! - I want you to go see
if you messing around with anybody else in this relationship. I wanna keep my eyes on
you at all given times. - [Aaron] Didn't I tell
y'all he was crazy? I'm up here thinking that it's
somebody that got me torn, like really got me torn
between you and them and us getting married. - If you take the ring off. Ay! You wanna take off a ring,
y'all let me take off this. That's it. That's it. You ain't gotta worry about no wedding. Everything could be canceled, darling. I could get a refund back for
everything that I done spend. - This don't even make
sense what you're doing. - Now, I'm trying to tell
you if you just listen to me. - No, I don't even wanna listen. I don't even wanna listen. - Just listen to me. - I can't do this. - Hold on. Let's take a quick timeout, gentlemen. This is a very emotional
difficult discussion to be having. Clearly you're both upset. Aaron, would you please just let Paris tell us his side of the
story and try your best, even if you disagree
with things that he says. - You guys like to eat (beep)
for lunch, then go ahead. Be my guest. - So for the past, so the past nine months I've been really contemplating on if Aaron is the guy for me. I've been doing my pageants and my shows, and when I go out of town, I
don't know what is Aaron doing, and so I created this
profile when I seen him when we broke up and he bit the bait. - I was single. - We were single, but we
were still having sex, right? - I was single. It was months before we got back together. - Look, you can't necessarily blame him for talking to someone else when you guys were not in a committed relationship. - But when we got back together, Aaron was still texting Treyvon. - Right, which he told us. - Was you or was you not texting Treyvon? - He told us that, he
told us the whole story. - Yes I did and Treyvon was you. - Listen, Paris, no one in
this situation is right. You are not right. Aaron's not right. Were you trying to create an emotional connection with Aaron or were you just trying to
trap him this whole time? - I wanted Treyvon to
come in place to know what is Aaron doing when
I'm traveling to Atlanta, when I'm traveling to Jackson,
Mississippi and performing. Aaron can go, I want to know if Aaron, if he won't go out and seek others. I just want to know I'm
feeling, I just need. - If you wanted to know what was I doing get you a nanny cam. - I really honestly wanted to
know if he liked this person before I could know my
security in my relationship, so I have been catfishing him. My best friend been
joining me on to help me - Is that the person
that Aaron was talking to on the phone as Treyvon? - Yeah, it wasn't his voice. - It was my friend Rico, Cedric, to make sure that you're doing what you're supposed to be
doing when I'm going out of town and I can't text you anymore
or whatever, I would have Rico. I would have him be texting. - You tell Ced he won't be getting no more chicken wings here. - Look, if Aaron wanted to be
sleeping with somebody else, he would've been doing
that, but he wasn't, he was texting with a guy because he felt that there was a really
strong emotional connection, and yes, that still feels bad,
but that other guy was you, and you may not have been able to give him the emotional connection he
was getting from Treyvon, because you were guarding yourself because you knew you were the one he was cheating on you with. If Treyvon had disappeared when you and Aaron got back together and you had had put all that energy into being both Paris
and Treyvon, emotional, in one perfect package,
things might just be perfect. So I agree. I'm not excusing that Aaron should have stopped talking to Treyvon, but you played a very large part in both creating and
continuing this problem. - I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I can't do this.
