Cars, Coffee, Theology (1:3) Bryan Dyer

my guest today is dr. Brian Dyer editor extraordinaire at Baker academic he's recently published his fine dissertation on suffering in the book of Hebrews I've worked closely with Brian for several years and I love hanging out with them as you'll see in this episode what was your first car my first car was a mercury sable oh my not even a Ford Taurus a Mercury Sable the knockoff of the van Taurus okay it's fine I bought it from my girlfriend's parents okay like for my wife oh okay so that disabled was that was the deal breaker on the relationship yeah you sell me a sable that's it yeah and I do you give you your card names oh yeah yeah I name that one Toby Toby after Toby Mac DC Talk so dating yourself there so you what year are we talking yeah and did you name it ironically Toby or that was like you were totally ended though I hope so your first car was disabled and how long did that relationship last the girl was able you know I think I had it I think I had that car through college I'd had the girlfriend I think that also ended in college that I was older than her so okay she was still in high school I went off to college alright and that never works and maybe the sable kind of set your expectations low down old cars right I just thought that's what you did right that was your adult on shot wound of Altos theologian misc in your car in my car it'll be that'll be the did you buy this car because of the eight ball on the stick oh I added that dude is that not the coolest thing I just added that are you judging my eight ball that's enough everyone can see but no well believe me we'll take another shot of it don't worry bins well it's not supposed to spin it actually comes off but there's no it turns out there's no threading and then I thought well after you that's very cool so my car is this as well as are you able to fix this there's a just I don't know what was that defensive oh oh so you were knocking it see I thought you were just being playful but you were not gay okay that's good to know actually what I wanted to ask you about is your dissertation it became an Ellen TS volume yeah I mean I know your wife doesn't care and probably most your friends don't either so this is your chance do one that was that was that wasn't did for tad for the eight-ball that was a general understanding stations I'll retract that okay we'll strike that from the record I'm sure none every day you get a chance to talk about your dissertation we love but I would love to hear about it well and I mean by that this thing I happen to have right here no but I did read the subtitle and that's the first question when I asked about it what the heck is context of situation when I read that I said to myself and to some other people that's not anything I think that's a typo and then I read a little bit and it said it was actually a methodology that okay I'm sorry I've already spoken too much please tell me what context of situation let me back up a little okay please first say and you can edit this out but first say Anna maybe my wife may be tired of me talking about it but at one time she was interested okay we'll keep that in there um she's a librarian was an English major and she she read the whole thing that gave me feedback know that it look you had that I mean my mom also read the whole thing before I handed it in and gave me similar kind of feedback that as well family know what why don't you why don't will you what were there when you talk about your relationship with your mom i syrian second job we can call it we the t can beat theologians it could be therapist therapist no I might go it's fine would be happy to but let me address context that's it please do pleases I actually worried about what people would think when they read that and whether they would think it was a typo like situation of context that makes a little bit more sense yeah I did withhold judge I think I'm sure there's a good reason I think I'm the dissertation when I handed that in it was book yeah I happen to have it right here the same title suffering in the face of death booth I think the dissertation subtitle was the Epistle to the Hebrews and it's oh there's a change from the digitation in its social context I think okay well that I mean that language may us since the visa I thought you know the issue or the idea of context of situation it's very in-house it's lovely what is it delinquents um I've never seen the house wow it's a linguistic concept that if you were familiar with it you would you might pick up on it it triggers this yeah I kind of I liked that I thought yeah that if you knew that if you knew what it was you wouldn't you would kind of see it's gonna have kind of that linguistic methodology but benefits 2% of I mean what what house is it I mean honestly is it something like no I I'm not joking I mean is it in a cognitive linguistics realm metaphor theory I mean I think of like Umberto Eco an encyclopedic context of that kind of what it means or something - um well I think I'm not as familiar with echo but I think echo would be would be how these linguist would talk about context generally but then they would divide context into two different issues there I should refine phonology chapter and make sure I get this right but they would talk about the cultural context the cultural context and then the context of situation okay yes I guess I super cure my part of the context yeah so we're getting there so when we talk about the cultural context we're talking about so I guess we're talking about Hebrews that would be understanding the Hellenistic background yeah Judaism in the first century that type of cultural context which would bring some some light to how to help interpret these ancient texts yeah and that is not necessarily specific to this one writing that is more kind of cultural to the time period in the area that makes sense yep context of situation is more specific to what is happening within al-qaeda cific writing okay and so I believe now now I understand what idea I'm trying to argue and by using that more precise term is that I'm trying to get at what I think is the social of this use social context that I think the author is responding to interesting what is building again that the author is trying to address so you raise a good point I feel like if you're in these conversations you know what I'm talking about makes sense though I mean you are writing a technical academic piece you just need me standing by the book every time somebody write up to say all right so here's what I mean by context so maybe they could add like a little yellow starburst sticker on the front it's a you know explains context if you could choose a number between 1 and 2 125 what would be 2 1 inches yeah one in 225 yeah 124 okay so if you'd open to page 224 lurk and read the second paragraph there for me yeah yeah I hope there's 224 pages No okay let's go I'll take another one all right I'll let you choose all James 103 I didn't look at that so the author intends his audience the author offers his audience a new way to understand their hardships as he encourages enduring them as divine Paideia 12:7 two contexts emerge playing off of the various meanings of Paideia for how the audience is to understand their hardships parental discipline and birth in verses 5 for 10 and athletic training in 11 through 13 the quotation from proverbs 3 and 12 5 through 6 death letting train this is where we need to be edited the quotation from proverbs 30:12 5 through 6 introduces the idea of divine discipline understood as God acting as a father would to his children after encouraging his honesty understand their hardships as Paideia the author presents discipline as validation of their child sorry their father child relationship with God and then makes the same point by affirming the negative equivalent first Pete okay is that yeah I mean you had me up idea you know that you may appreciate this this isn't I will appreciate I do for this unlike kind of what you were talking about December at the mouth look I've got kind of the Hellenistic Roman thinking of high Dale as athletic imagery in training and so that certainly makes sense within this context this comes right after the passage about you know the great cloud of witnesses but presenting the the audience within the Coliseum and the outing imagery so those scripts are gonna run for almost in here I mean that'd be hard to avoid that right so you've got you've got that notion athletic injury training then but then he also quotes from proverbs 3 which talks about parental discipline yeah that they are to view their hardship in that light a father-son yeah father son and that's also really interesting so you've got kind of this parental discipline notion of Paideia and you've got even in education you got this imagery of my dad it's not an either/or I suppose part of arrogance no yeah it's that both are there now what's interesting there Jonathan maybe you'll think this is interesting this is kind of the to use my name is it my trouble or what's going on your emphasis we talk about the linguistic prominence but I'm giving to a play by saying your name absolutely I'm on is and this is I don't really get into much theological reflection but this is kind of the issue that I think would be really interesting is what the author is arguing with the whole thing about parent-child relationships it's you saying identify your hardships or treat them or understand them as idea and then quotes from Proverbs talks about parental discipline there any good parent disciplines their child for their own benefit and this is if if that's true about earthly parents how much more true that about our Heavenly Father ending Sermon on the Mount comes home to roost but then so it almost goes as far as saying and I think it actually does pretty much say this say it makes the point about you know true sons are those that are disciplined and then you know implied respond to their discipline appropriately its illegitimate sons or illegitimate children who are not disciplined it makes this point after point and so I think what the author is trying to do is I think they were already experiencing suffering and hardship which is what I'm trying to argue them that's the best way to make sense of this and the author is saying that that suffering that you're experiencing is not a sign that God has abandoned you it's not a sign that you're not you know a true child or but it's actually a sign that you are a child of God it's the true sons are those that experience you I don't know if you pay attention but it's actually in the Library of Congress in what BT 702 I think it is or something which is the classification of suffering not of Hebrews you know that just curious I mean who knows how they decide those things exactly but it's not with other Hebrews monographs it's actually and it's not in the whatever BS 28 or whatever yes I've 7a no BS 2575 Matthew he's been you know a lot of years in that I don't know what what the in the Library of Congress it's in BT 702 which is with all these other suffering books is not in avery books so nobody's ever gonna find it man that's the point okay are you disturbed by this seem like a major does this mean no one's ever seen it I mean I found it it was like buried under a bunch of old stuff in a throwaway pile was weird alright I mean that that makes sense because I made fun of the 8 ball thing but so your tongue does that dictate all wipers what's the Library of Congress yeah I know yeah it's Congress man they rule oh man your wife's a librarian what are you talking about everywhere every theological library BT in that yes exactly it's B which is I guess in some sense good it's not it be yes that's good but it's yeah exactly it's a beep yeah I think it's bg7 I do that's unfortunate because it's it I wonder if you could apply for reclassification I mean somebody decided that I mean it's some robot and Amazon probably deciding anything gram is it the publisher I wasn't gonna bring it up yeah okay well I mean I guess for browsing but I mean if somebody's doing a database search it does have Hebrews in the title so I mean it's only for the rare bird like myself he likes to actually walk in the library stacks and serendipitously find things I mean I get it it's called suffering in the face of death so it's no you wouldn't want to all go well oh oh I got your of referencing the title you should experience suffering in this situation yeah I think that's right what happened is this so maybe it wasn't the publisher I mean because you think the publisher would be sensitive to putting in an image after all there's an injustice your absence I wonder yeah that's a curiosity what how does the LC determine yeah okay well that's good so what are you working on now the Synoptics book yeah oh yeah what is it BT 732 now it was even on a different floor not the heads of the discouragement our our Holdings go on the second floor through the whole BS line and of course we have allotted the BS classification I had to go to the third floor find the BT section and there it was it's okay man we'll be all right trying to figure out it's part of the suffering if they see this is PI D yet yeah okay what else deal this thing's over yeah nothing else see I'm just trying to be straight back to Michigan don't even no dinner no nothing right what else am i working up yeah and so I've been talking about wanting to do as if another monograph on the humanity of Jesus Peters and the significance of and Mercer I have just kind of a sketch I know there's been work done I don't know there's been kind of a technical monograph on yeah humanity good Jesus I'm not talking about like the historical Jesus no no I get it yeah well I think an app idea human development since that's very interesting in fact I can't remember also injure an article that's in the Festschrift Fort Albert which understandably somebody at Baylor wrote a really good essay that I've used and some with luck Jason Whitlock it might be is everything to see your pride from the rest I don't know anybody who's old Woody is a good eater scholar it beta I think it and it's kind of on I you know human development within it which I find very fascinating for you know my own virtue work it was like that too this would be and the one thing that I'd noticed so this is the thing that kind of keeps my interest is it seems as if the author spends a lot of time making the case that Jesus was a human being and it had and that fact has implications for a lot of his argument there's different parts of his argument that he makes where it's important for in to remind his audience of Jesus's humanity and so the big question that would that I find interesting is where in kind of the theological development of the early church would you place a text that you would assume it's arguing for the divinity of Jesus that we go to Christology yeah the humanity would assume does need to be argued but it almost seems flipped in Hebrews where the divinity is and really I mean it's an issue obviously wasn't that one that needs to be is rigorously presented as its humanity and it's important for a whole list of different things it's he develops she's assist humanity for his qualification for the high priest or his qualification for being a merciful high priest and then what I'm getting into now and this is in conversation with David Moffat a days and I worth Trinity oh yeah yeah yeah together and go way back he did a lot of good work on this course mmm there's one and two especially hip which is talking about the comparison between the angels of Jesus and these he argues that really that's a distinction between of he would say nature but that angels are spirits and that the Sun is a human and then that goes into chapter two or he develops us further and really establishes to assist humanity now David would go on to an argue that the humanity is what sets us apart from the angels at what allows him to be exalted to the heavenly throne seated next to God and it's what allows him to enter into the heavenly sanctuary where he offers which is crucial the David soul are his blood and is my destructible life so he says it's the humanity is so important at the very beginning huh for establishing is his ability to you know entering through the heavenly realm these to us from the Psalms that no angel you know what God is there we usually read those Christa logically I've got a buying side of it you're saying okay yeah he's arguing for illogical anyway so reading that as well kind of so there's a whole thing and I'm there there's stuff with my briefs what I did in my monograph is really exploring Jesus as exemplars so there he establishes that for Jesus to be an exemplar for the audience it's important to use a human just like which is crucial to the greco-roman and Jewish wisdom yeah all right yeah this choose your color choose your poison random questions I don't know which is in which one I will commit to also answering the question all right pick black so we're gonna address who were some of your heroes in real life so not superheroes I guess you guess that's true in real life and again if Heroes is too strong of a word we can go with the exemplars yeah what's more exemplars I think got a personal basis I mean I think family I think we were gonna talk about mom issues oh yeah what I think I'll free to bring up the mama I would I would say mom is a my mom as an exemplar or or a hero or like to a certain degree I think well to a great degree as far as person faith facing adversity all types of different things react I haven't looked to her as somebody that adversity like Liriano initiations that kind of stuff and other stuff about twelve years ago was in an accident now oh yeah wheelchair bound that's right we talked about that yeah and so just kind of the adversity there but but certainly like this I think somebody that responded to that I mean in a in a real way in a way of struggling with geological issues that she's dealing with that but also kind of this what does this mean for our family for her relationship with my dad those types of things and growing up it was Cal Ripken but that's a whole nother thing no that was just boyhood hope Adobe Mac could make one more appearance but I guess that's but what comes to mind to you hero again it's pretty strong that may be modeled it said it's just kind of a meta reflection that we don't really like that word hero anymore what does that mean that's I mean there's this it's certainly a turn in literature in novels for example is that you have anti-heroes now like you you rarely have well not rarely but in a lot of current literature I think like Martha Barbara Kingsolver and others it's all anti-heroes television right yeah that's all I'm saying which is then it just things that are cultural comment as well but and ansar both of our somewhat adverse reactions to that word you know I'll go with my mom to not just because you got a 1-up to me but my mom is 88 and the love of her life died 46 years ago when I was 2 years old my father died suddenly no illness just fell over and died of any her ISM and her life was devastated she had to go back to work and she raised my two older sisters and me and we just entered a new phase because my sisters and I who live far away convened in my hometown to pack up all my mom's stuff and move her in with my oldest sister because she fell and broke her hip and can't live alone anymore it's a really a new phase of life and we we spent three days sorting through all her arts and all her poetry and all the things she's written and produced over the years and we were all just amazed at who she is I think in a new layer and her big refrain for her whole life was there's always something to be thankful for yeah she's not a woman of great faith but she is a woman of perseverance studied intentionality to be a that's cool good person a cool thought as far as when one day my kids are going through my stuff yeah very sober what did you know what is that gonna or they gonna take from it yeah what a big antenna yeah well dude it's been great yeah really appreciate it yeah thanks a good conversation absolutely thanks for see you sure yeah quills kombucha hey thanks so much for watching three really quick things if you like this video subscribe to our YouTube channel and connect with us on social media we'd really appreciate it secondly check out the comments section below we've put a bunch of program notes and links to interesting things there and third check out some of our episodes you can see linked here thanks we'll see on the road peace

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Published: Wed Nov 14 2018