Brown University Students vs Veganism

so I'm here at Brown University in Providence and over tablecloth and it says the statement can you justify not being vegan and so you guys have kindly stopped to have a conversation and so I was wondering what justification would you use to not be vegan I think what I would save like not being vegan is like one main source of like I like drinking milk for instance like like when I was younger like definitely like just like growth and like stuff like that because I've always been told like milks been like it's just such a good option um and you know I mean it's just like kind of from a young age like once you started you out of me I don't know I just I feel like me like just that whole thing like chicken fish everything like like whether it's like I fished a lot like as a kid like I'd catch a fish and you know I would eat it or like you know my uncle my uncle is big on hunting like when he would go hunting like he wouldn't not like once he would kill the animal like he wouldn't just leave it like he would eat it and it was just something like culturally growing up that was something that we saw as like a part of our lives just to interject that you I guess we were found predominated to protein rise up a new trend I guess the question will be can we get protein from plant-based sources yeah I think kind of going off what he said I would just say that I mean like eating foods that come from animals this is weak protein has just been like I made part of my diet since I've been you know a little kid and I mean not to mention I enjoy eating those foods that makes me happy so I just can't imagine like taking that like out of my diet I mean so I mean I think the point is if we can get protein from from plant-based sources then that ruse is somewhat of an element of necessity but there's two points you touched upon inside I kind of want it touch up on both of those but I think the biggest one is that is that one of enjoyment first of all and do you think that our happiness should come at the suffering of someone else or I guess more to the point do you think that something like sensory pleasure a taste enjoyment is a good enough moral justification for taking the life of someone else I mean when you put it like that not not necessarily well has my about you taste Oh life life yeah i mean i would definitely say life has higher value but you know to completely alter my diet like all at once I don't think that would be like a feasible thing for me so I mean I'm all for like maybe introducing some new sources of protein or like things like that but you know a complete 180 switch from all like do you find it somewhat like scary the prospect of making that change like going on but one day I'm I'm eating meat dairy and eggs the next day I'm completely vegan exactly it's quite daunting yeah I company in Sun yeah I was at that point at one stage as well and the point you made was about culture and I guess the question is does culture or should culture dictates morality and what's right in Iran I mean I think I think yeah I mean that's obviously tough question like I I stopped hunting after middle school but because I guess there was just a part of me that felt it was wrong but I mean I think the whole like yeah the culture aspect like it's gonna just be tough to change so many people who have grown up that way and I mean for me it's like I feel like the big thing about you know eating meat like you gave the like the life like we're like when we're eating it like we're not really thinking about the proud of the steps that went through it we're just we just see what's on the table and we enjoy it and I think that if I mean I don't know like if we saw it firsthand I mean I mean obviously I think that would change you know your views on it a little bit just like like how I mean because just cuz you don't like when you as the consumer you don't see what it went through to get to get to your play you didn't say disconnection yeah exactly I think so do you think that if you were in a slaughterhouse Newsome one animal being killed to say a cow if a cow has been killed in front of you do you think you'd go by stake strapped woods yeah and I mean that's I've seen like some of those videos and in the moment when I watch those it definitely makes me like second-guess but what does that tell us about the process that if when we see it it somehow makes us feel uneasy what does that tell us about how we feel about it I guess that it goes back to your initial point of whether you'd value like the taste like life more so yeah um yeah it's like I think if you value the taste more or just the idea of eat I mean yeah the taste I mean like if yeah if I was at a slaughterhouse that specific Ali I wouldn't be able to eat it but like in a week I I mean I I feel like it's just that I think people I think I value I mean maybe not the taste but well yeah maybe the taste consuming it's something that I didn't see it happened so I didn't necessarily like I don't feel responsible in any way when I eat the meat it's like a degrees of separation where we place ourselves out of that system and somehow we remove that responsibility from ourselves do you think that what happens in slaughterhouses is humane the standard practice what is the word what is the word human mean to you guys think about that for a second what would be like a synonym of humane if I said you're a humane guy you'd be like I miss be a kind of guy compassionately respect for like life first I would say compassion for compassion respect for life yeah I think they like the dictionary definition is having are sharing compassion or benevolence and so the question would then become is taking the life of an animal or someone as I would say someone who wants to live and who doesn't need to die could that have to be done in a compassionate or benevolent way and yes I guess that would be the question cuz well what do you think ever be compassionate I I think I think it can be compassionate when it's not done without like like slaughterhouses there will never be compassionate because there's no like there is no compassion there but I would say like the argument of like when you hunt like if you hunt the animal I mean like animals in the wild do that to each other so I'd say like when you hunt it and you decide to eat it I would say that there's a sense of compassion there because you are doing what the rest like it what in it like when a lion kills a gazelle right like it's doing it for food like it when I kill a deer I mean all I mean I'm doing it for food - I feel like in that situation there is a sense of compassion do you think it's wise to base our morality on the actions of wild animals I mean alliance good role models for how we should how we should live as well well then it's I mean then it's the whole point of like I mean why should we be any different than any other animal I mean because we have I mean because were more developed but then at that point then why wouldn't we be able to eat the meat well it is is rape and murder justified because animals rape and murder know so it just because an animal in the wild does something it's that's intrinsically natural for them does it mean whether than justified to do in what we call a civilized society but then why wouldn't it be intrinsically natural for us to eat the animals I think I think that the point is at a time it probably was for our survival but part of the responsibility of being a part of a a morally conscious society is assessing and changing actions and so I don't doubt for a second at some point in our existence I mean we relied on me to survive and it formed a very essential part of our diet but the question now is does it still serve that purpose I mean well I just think like right now in today's society it's entirely unfeasible to get everyone to switch from like an animal diet to a non animal diet so I think maybe like some incorporation of a non animal diet for people who like want to try that out is good but you know to completely switch is just completely not it's not feasible at all but is it feasible for you guys i mean that i don't doubt it'll be some people to find a harder than others what about you - you know we're improvidence in the u.s. we've got Target Walmart's you know what my sorry Whole Foods if there was like a plant-based option that you know had the same like calories like carbs stuff like that like protein that also tasted I mean if it tasted half oh I think that's my own again well have you heard of Bill meat now right that's another thing like I don't think we hear about the options either I mean I mean that if I would be down to try it but it was the same if it was the same exact you know like health or you know yeah effects that it gives and yeah I would try it for fair and you made a point about hunting being kind of would be a deemed a compassionate way and so the form of hunting would be to shoot an animal are you talking like a crossbow what would what would be the conventional way that you define I mean I think some I mean I'm trying to think I didn't really use in the sense of like the act is compassionate just kind of compared to slaughterhouses compassionate but you would define to be more compassionate but I would say more compassionate I wouldn't say I mean the killing of anything is well this is where yeah yeah I mean I don't know it's yeah I mean I guess a crossbow like oh they like I don't know I mean you don't want anything that doesn't allow it to suffer because obviously in the slaughterhouses they actually suffer more than compared to like if you're hunting something you shoot it and it dies right away but um so we would define it's being more compassionate but not necessarily objectively compassionate yeah not necessarily objectively compassionate yeah and if we were to say substitute say you're out in the in the in the fields or the woods of Connecticut or Rhode Island and and instead of a deer down the the site it's now a Labrador but would it change your opinion on whether to pull the trigger yeah yeah I think that's a good culture side of it I thought yeah I think that's the culture side the dogs have been never eat a dog but yeah but Marley is there a difference between eating a dog or a deer or a cow which is more socially acceptable to shoot the deer or you know kill a cow also because dogs in society have been looked at as you know a house pet yeah like when I gave two dogs I had to have had two dogs growing up my entire life like it's like yeah they become like a part of your family but then when you have you know like you're not gonna have a cow in the house or a wild deer in the house I think that's just yeah a social thing but in terms of like there I mean you recognize your dogs has been like they're individuals and they have their own like personalities and yeah yeah do you think their names give their names do you think that the animals that we hunt or even just just buy do you think that they have their own personalities they're individuals in the same ways the dogs makes it slightly harder almost doesn't it that's right that's what was that push for me and so say in Southeast Asia where they they consume dogs and they have something called the Yulin dog meat festival right do you think that's do you think that's moral or should it stop I mean I don't want to like I'm in no place to be criticizing other cultures yeah absolutely I mean we've criticized some point female genital mutilation but that's a cultural practice so we absolutely have the right to criticize cultural practices that we deemed to be immoral I don't know I think that's fine I mean I I wouldn't want to take part in that but a good source of protein there doc me sorry Oh some quinoa yeah um I think it I mean I think it's 100% morally wrong also the way that they do it I think they just wrap the dogs and like it's just huge thing I mean I think the way yeah I think yeah I mean I just think that I don't know there's just something about dogs or just you know animals that they do show more compassion I believe like I think they have more personality than to other certain animals like I think they're smarter than other animals I think like I would say dogs are a lot smarter than deer and I think they have more personality than deer but yeah yeah I guess it's due for the connection we've had with them and if I told you that that pigs have been proven to be more intelligent than dogs how would that make you think twice about buying final Pig meats it was like intelligence factor oh sorry yeah bit bit bit speedy if I told you that that pigs have been proven to be more intelligent than dogs would that change your opinion on whether they should be classified as as a food animal rather than like a pet animal no no I was about to get a pig as a pet yeah I don't really bacon but I guess ham it's also pygmy right yeah I don't I don't really know if the whole intelligence factor like it really pleased I mean I would have a pig as a pet though at the same time but yeah I think that it really just comes down to the culture I think I died I think it's so hard to change culture I think yes like if I mean if it became the cultural norm to have a plant-based diet then I think more people would be inclined to do it I mean I've like I think just from like a yeah I mean just going down like from a young age like you have milk cereal all the time I mean you have just when you your kid you eat Lent peanut butter ham and cheese sandwiches like stuff like that I mean I just don't think it's plausible to say that you could change people I mean I would say it's just hard for people to change once they get to an older age and then the idea that it's not you don't see the firsthand slaughter of these animals so when you're eating it it is really all about taste so yeah I mean I think if people if they work I can't go to the slaughterhouse and then like watch the whole process and then decide to eat that meat or not I mean I don't think anyone would actually eat it but you don't see that so I you know one thing I would say I mean not for me personally that I would say over the past decade or so especially in like the younger generation yeah I would take more people are kind of gravitating towards a plant-based diet I mean I know some of my friends do that so that's I guess one positive thing to look at as opposed to like 80 years past but uh so I guess you could say that's progress but uh like I said before I don't see any way where yeah there could be a complete shift like right now it has to be a gradual thing yeah and I think when deny ibly so it will be gradual but I guess the point is you've seen your friends made a change and you yourself used to hunt did you hunt as well but you yourself used the hunt and now and then there was probably a time in your life where hunting was just was just normal for you and now it's it's not so much and so we can all change and we can all we can all adapt and sometimes it may seem a little bit scary but not not scary just a bit like that's not going to happen lesson but we can be pretty surprising sometimes and I guess what I'd say to you guys are just just hope this tube of educationally watch them the fudge see how you feel but also have a look at what options there are and like beyond me you guys have got a really good place to be for vegan food and so just have a look and then just try it and if you like it well then that's amazing you know but nothing to lose I'm trying it yeah yeah you're right I mean maybe like a two week see how if it you know changes you know anything about weight or anything yeah I could I could do something like that yeah they say it takes 21 days to change your habit so did give it maybe 22 days or 28 if you're feeling super kind to me and then see how you feel after yeah awesome I appreciate you stopping and talking to me I really enjoyed that that's good you

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Length: 17min 18sec (1038 seconds)

Published: Mon May 13 2019