Bishop Greg Davis Presents: #YoungPreachersLive

[Music] hi I'm Fisher Greg Davis and welcome to young preacher it's been anticipated it is the conversation of the ages you know almost ten years ago I stood at the second Ebenezer Baptist Church in Detroit along with Bishop Liston page Bishop a Gavin Bishop James Dixon and we did something called the voices of the black church the premier voices of the church showed up in Detroit and talked for over two hours about what was going on at that time in their generation and almost 10 years ago I stand now in a room full of those that have necks I am honored tonight it started with a tweet young preacher years ago and tonight I want to thank God because I'm a man of honor I would think God for mr. Kevin Adel the owner of the word network I honor him tonight thank you Kevin for being cutting-edge thank you for allowing us to go to the world tonight and there are many many of the fathers that are going to sleep there are many of the fathers that are transitioning their churches that are retiring in this room tonight I have some of the greatest young minds that you could ever talk to I'm not here to lecture to them most people say well Bishop I know you're gonna tell I'm not gonna tell them nothing I am providing through the word Network a platform I'm a doorman I open doors and help people get to the levels that they're going and I want you to do me a favor before I pay in the room those you that are watching my facebook I want this to go by I want you to take that share button it and I just want you to just push it all night long because tonight I have some of the greatest minds some of them were teenagers 10 years ago some of them were in their 20s some of them were in their 30s some of them might have not even been yet they were born but they in the room tonight there have been people that have wrote me about one to be in the room but I have over 40 of God's best tonight and I am humbled to be the old preacher in the room tonight with this generation some of them have necks some of them have now we're gonna find out what all that means in a time where people want to go to church less and less the church is in the palm literally of our hands on our cell phone and tonight I want to welcome you on behalf of the word network to young preacher young preachers give God praise in the town look at it look at it look at it look at it I'm gonna take questions I'm gonna be popping back and forward on Facebook they're gonna give me questions Facebook live we're gonna talk tonight and I'm going to introduce my first panel tonight because I want to get right to it our first panel tonight consists of Adrian Davis give God come on David Winston pastor ypj dr. risa Hilliard Pastor Joel Tubman and Nathan Culver before I start there's two young men I shared with them the vision that I had and this has been sitting in the incubator for like two years and I finally went to mr. Sheffield and said to him I said hey I want to do a young preacher show and I was talking to Jason Austin right here Jathan raise your hand with with the with with the jacket on I touched I was gonna get you I shared my vision with him and he said hold on let me get ypj and then we begin to talk and these young men have worked so hard with me to bring this vision to pass I love both of you I know I got on your nerves that's why I'm the old preacher tonight I stand here on the shoulders of my grandfather my cousin reminded me today that my grandfather went home to be with the Lord in 92 years old still pastoring longer than he probably should have but he was of another generation died in Bible class in a circle on the floor praying went home to be with the Lord immediately and then ever since I was nine years old I served in the church I'm 56 now and I've served I've honored then I met a man by the name of Bishop post invested more than hey bishop I met a man by the name of Bishop Paul Sylvester Morton and I don't know anything but honoring and serving and here's another word loyalty even when even when Pierce I wasn't pastoring for a season I joined a church called triumph search IX my spiritual father could I have a local pastor cuz that's all I've ever known and so I under pastor Solomon Ken Locke he's still my pastor even though I'm passionate again so I said all that to say this is honoring and serving and being loyal a thing of the past with we going right to it we can't all right is it a thing of the past because I still honor my grandfather I mean my bishop was hit last week preaching for my pastor and I was like a little kid anything I can do I was like a little kid in the candy store I was trying to serve both of them so is that something that is taboo are we still honoring in serving Tubman Bishop I don't think that it's a thing of the past but I do think that it has to be taught it has to be brought up on a regular basis of course the old church it was you saw it but in today's time you really don't because most of the people that are running the ministries are pretty young so they looked at each other like brothers and sisters versus pastor so I don't think that it's a lost art but I do think that it needs to be taught a little bit more anybody want to go over yeah I think that when we live in a time when there are a lot of broken homes there's a missing piece of teaching honor an honor I think this begins it has to be taught at home for to spill into other areas of a person's life so because the church has become the supplement for broken homes we find that honor is a missing link and and the piece is not connected and your kin it's a conversation you all can raise your hand at any time and I'm let me get this mic right here cuz I'm being filled down to you tonight that was my hero yeah some of y'all don't even who it is Rhonda you it is good what what what what is honor pass the wit what is honor and serving and all that what is that well I think honor is when you are placing a high value on them and that you're not placing a high value on them because it's convenient for you but you're placing a high value on them and then you're treating them according to that value whether it's convenient or not and so you are always putting them at the forefront or you are making sure that you are staying in line with kind of what they have set the president's that they've set the ministry that they set the standard that they said and you want to make sure that you continue to to reference them and I think as you keep that value that you'll really find yourself honoring them anybody yes yeah I don't think that honor is a missing piece but Bishop Tubman said I do think it needs to be talked about I do think that it needs to be taught how our view honor is going beyond what you feel like and I think that our culture you know I am a hip hop head I guess you could say I love cultural music Bruno Mars has a song called is what I like and so he like no champagne strawberries on ice but then he says a line here we think that that man oh my god you know ladies saying yes I want that but he says lucky for you that's that's what I like and I think the misconception is I honor when I feel like it and we miss we miss label that like if somebody does what they feel like and then we call that honor no honors not honor until it's a sacrifice I don't feel like it but I'm still gonna do it that's what honor is and I think that we our culture our generation we honor when it's comfortable when it's convenient and we're saying I honor you but lucky for you that's what I like to do right now but if I get in my feelings yes out the window do we still honor even when we rebuked I mean I I I love I've been believing in Morgan out in Louisiana my bishop rebuked me right in front of the bishops council I'm talking my very long and Neil Ellis and all them and I literally went to start a church crying in my car and when I got there white minds and I was still you see I believe that true honor is after you get rebuked you still show up but is that still the rule in this generation somebody help me out is that still ypj well God loves honor is connected to promotion and there are times when you're honoring someone they will rebuke you and even it will seem like rejection the Bible says that when David was anointed king in front of his father his daddy didn't bow down to him he sent him back to the Sheep but then he called him one day and he said go and take this food to your brothers which meant even though he was anointed he was still submitted to his father and he served his brothers then he ends up promoted when you accept but even though you're anointed you must submit to Authority and serve others God still honors that and he promotes you because of it but people have a hard time with that because it doesn't always feel good to humble yourself when you know you've got oil on your life but ultimately I believe it benefits us in the end let me let me Bishop Alvarez Johnson who's a dear friend of mine some of y'all may know him he did a facebook live and he said the sons are arrogant and the fathers are angry the sons are arrogant because they step out ahead of time and they start their own and they leave before they get their inheritance and the fathers are angry because y'all step out ahead of time and don't wait for well let me submit to you this had I waited on my grandfather he was 93 years old when he died in 92 I would have been 46 y'all probably wouldn't know me so what do you do with that pastor sharp thank you for the question you're most welcome I think all of our calls come from God and that there's a responsibility to make sure that when you have a father or mother and ministry that if God is leading you in a different direction that they that you owe that mother and their father honesty if nothing else you owe them the honesty to tell them what God is showing you what your filling and then from there you make wise moves David behaved himself wisely in the presence of King Saul so your call comes from God but do you oh you literally oh your mother and father was poured into you respect enough to share what God is showing you and congratulations to you [Music] the successor of fellowship in one year just announced breaking news all over the world hey panting Charles Dinkins bless you Thank You Manica so so wouldn't they say you're not ready because this conversation is in this house but there are millions watching and what we say right now some young preacher that's younger than you it's gonna take this as so what do you do when they say when they say you ain't ready great great question I believe that sometimes we don't put another say who you are I'm sorry this our pestle Leandre bumpo save a station Tupelo Mississippi I think you go to church I don't think we put enough value on our fathers voices so when they speak they're not just sometimes speaking from trying to hold us back but they're trying to protect us as well and I think that the the the problem that our generation do have because I kind of think a little different on this topic our generation don't want to listen at times so it puts a stigma on all of our generation when it's not really all of us that's doing there if I could say that okay let me let me let me it is evangelist in here and of course I've been an evangelist and what do you do if you are a son and you know I remember when he'd bynum telling that story years ago she wanted to go on vacation and she acts her pastor and i pastor say it he didn't say nothing for weeks and she said pastor he still didn't say nothing and so what do you do when your pastor says time to stay home for a while listen to the word what do you do evangelist Gary Sprewell Los Angeles you stay home and listen I think it has to start with a genuine God relationship I think unfortunately a lot of young preachers are under and a leader that they're not submitted to because they don't feel the genuine connection as a father and if that's the individual that God has you submitted to then you submit your itinerary you submit your budget you submit your life to the to the direction of that leader because that may be the week a bomb is on your airplane so you never know what God is leading your leader to have you do for whatever reason so you submit to it you close your calendar somebody said to me today but by text and I said I said this was good I'm gonna put this in here it has been said that the young preacher wants what comes after the struggle but don't want to go through the struggle that we've been through you want the blessings that comes after the struggle but don't want to go through the struggle true or false anybody want to get that bishop nobody wants to go through the struggle nobody wants to struggle nobody wants to go through that but you know what I mean I I do but we have to answer it that way nobody wants to go through losing you starting the church with your own money are you paying the bill I did that it doesn't feel good I know what that's like but if I had an opportunity to do it a different way I would do it a different way I'd go back in time and allow God to bless me that way but I went through the struggle good man leaves an inheritance for his children so people who are discrediting us because we didn't struggle I think it's an insecurity my father didn't want me to be your but you all don't believe that there's no struggle in there but it let it be my own I don't want to have to go no we're not saying we're not saying because I happen to kind of agree with it we're not saying that you have to go through the same thing but there is something you have to go through and and this generation feel like you know that you don't go through nothing just because and as my father you should pave the way for me so that I don't have to have that same struggle if I'm watching you and you're being an example I should see you and learn some lessons from you so that I don't have to have that lesson I've already looked at you and I watched you so I don't have to have that same experience because I watched you go through that so I don't have to do that but there's something that's going to come up in my life that I'll relate to it and say oh this is how my father handled it so this is how I'm gonna do it so just because our struggles are not identical no I don't want to have to give my whole life savings for the church I want to be financially strong Church but I may have a different struggle which is being a multi-generational Church that didn't mean I'm not a great pastor I've just got a different struggle anybody else want to answer that all right perhaps that bag passed it right quick quick pastor pastor Andre Mitchell from Muncie Indiana if you are really called the attack on your life will present its own struggle so people who are trying to get around the struggle if you are called the threat on your life from the enemy will draw in attack there's no way of getting around it so the young preacher who's really called he will have to walk through or she will have to walk through something yes sir can I jump in and and and that was struggle I agree with a lot of these comments I want to replace that word struggle with commitment because I think that's really what the older generation might see the lack of in the young generation it's not that I need to see you struggle because like doctor I Risha said that that's foolishness for a good father to want to see you go through pain but really I believe what is being seen is there is a lack of commitment and you haven't shown that you have the fortitude necessary to push the church forward and and I went through my own struggle son you're gonna go through your struggle but you need to show commitment you need to show diligence you need to show that you can push past every trial in circumstance and overcome each one the kingdom is advance and hold advance and hold and so I believe that we have to show that we have commitment we have the grit that won't quit and give in that will push forward anybody else on that yep yes sir Brendan Jacobs Hammond Indiana I think that a part of that is also a lot of them haven't taught us how to struggle you know a lot of a lot of our predecessors we've seen them in the big cars we've seen them with the alligators shoes we've seen them in the limelight and so a lot of what we look forward to we looked at that and said that is success and so I think a lot of it is you you have to show us what struggle looks like before you get angry with us because we don't seem to be struggling like you because I really think that is not just the struggle that they're against I think they're against the fact that our generation may be a little flashy we show a lot we want to show our Gucci shoes and our Gucci ties and we want to show our our new cars and so on and so forth so I think a lot of it is just that they haven't taught us how to struggle and I believe that the reason the suicide rate is so high is because when we look at what success may be and when those of us who had to do what Tuchman did as I did start from scratch you had nothing you struggled through and you're looking at another who's as successful you you you gauge yourself you're comparing yourself and you're wondering why am I not there and then you are discouraged because you were not sorry are you saying that we didn't we just showed you the cars and and the Gators and all that ain't one done a long time but is that what you're saying what I'm saying is you traded mine for some Nikes well is that what you're saying Bishop a lot of those pastors didn't let us into that you know we served but we served seeing success so they didn't bring us into what it looked like to struggle they were not transparent enough to tell us this is what it looks like this is what's what's going through looks like you know we saw perfect marriages and then we have our mirror oh we don't get you know so when we look at these perfect things and then we get there you know we start to think maybe something is wrong with us because they didn't teach us what struggle was okay Christopher Foster Northern California I think that the issue is that we've invited competition in an arena where we should be not competing against one another but complementing one another if Saul would have said to David I'm insecure because I don't want to hand you the baton because it's gonna take away some of my shine and if David would have said to Saul I'm insecure because I was rejected by my father then maybe they could synchronize their steps and pass the baton the problem is the predecessor holds on to it a little too long and the successor is reaching for it prematurely but if we could recognize we're on the same team and if we have the perfect synchronized transition the team wins multiple generations because God is not an individual God he's a multiple generation guy Abraham Isaac Jacob so I feel like if we will be transparent the team can win but we have that Shaq Kobe mentality we missing out on a lot of championships we could have won for the kingdom I was watching Bishop Jake's I needed to be fed and I was watching Bishop Jake's that sure British church and Bishop British Church of the week and he said I'm tired I won't hand it over I feel the same way I've been doing this since I was nine years old I want to get up but when I look at it I don't know if if y'all prepared so now if you say you're submitting your honor and and and the fathers are saying don't know if you're prepared then what do you do with that I have a question for you if if the fathers are looking at us and wondering are we prepared I think the the glaring anomaly or the primer that was you yes I was so if the fathers are looking at us and they're wondering if we're prepared then I think the elephant in the room is they must have not prepared us because if they would have prepared us there would be no question that we were prepared and you know I think about whether as Elijah and Elijah whether it's Paul and Timothy whether is Jesus and the disciples sonship comes with a process it comes with a program it comes with some type of training and I see a lot of pastors that just say hey you're not ready sit there wait until it's your time well between the call and the Commission there should be cultivation so I should be getting trained I should be getting developed I should be getting rearing studying whatever the case may be so I think that's what we're looking for and that'll bring that level of trust and submission when we know that we're being trained for our assignment if you just tuned in you're watching conversation conversation of the ages a young preacher those who that are watching by Facebook we want you to share this conversation right now I'm seeing your comments I see you old data I see you Stacey I see your Nicole all of you that are give me your questions the other thing is we have some fathers and Generals in the faith that have most of them don't know that doing role ends for us and so we're gonna take you to the first one he's 93 years old he is the new presiding bishop of an organization Bishop Rudy Rudolph mckissick senior ray that's rolling in right click greetings young preacher young preacher what a delight for me to just be saying a word or so to you about pastoring a pastor for 48 years retired now 91 years old 91 years older and still usable but if I had to say anything about pastoring and if someone were to ask me what was the key to my success in pastoring you'd have to measure that success by God I would say to them I struggled to love the people because what I discovered the more we love God the more God will bless us to love the people more we love the people the more God will allow us to use his love for them despite people we get a great lesson from Jesus when he teaches us about the great commandments and how the great Commandments indeed will help us to love everybody as we love ourselves so love the people love them in season and out of season I know you can preach to them that way but love them in season and out of season and God will keep you seasoned as a pastor to endure uncertain it to succeed bless you young preacher give it up a bishop Rudy good off mckissick senior thank you sir that just kind of does something to you don't it oh I thought that was analyzed a disease to me son just love people and they will tell him off and cuss him out in the business me and sunjai and he walked away I'm like how do you do that welcome back to young preacher doctor I reassure you you I cut you off but I just wanted to get that in you know after that last comment we have to stop playing the blame game you won't pass it to me I'm ready and listen if you go back to the opening comment it's honor respect so when they say you're not ready why am I not ready and really listen I remember in 2015 my father made a statement to me he said if I give the church to you right now it probably would go to nothing it was a hard statement to hear but I listened and if I was honest with myself there was an area that I had not grown in personally could I preach yes could I raise our offering yes but loving the people I needed to grow in what I was perfect and so when I got that part right and I shifted personally in some areas in my life that most people didn't know that's when I was ready to take the mantle so instead of playing the blame game we got to stop and say okay what is it that you see in my life that I don't see because if we're talking about legacy it's about how you see me and how I see you and I've always have to see you as a voice that can correct me even when I don't want to be corrected they're good let me let me do this I have a couple question at y'all what has been the greatest disappointment from our generation to you all what disappoints you all about us now I'm kind of in the middle I'm like in the 50s and then the next generation you know they add and 860 so I'm kind of in the middle what what's the greatest disappointment enough nissan stewart from los angeles california my disappointment is that some of our forefathers of fathers don't listen they don't you know they have the word but certain things that this generation speaks they don't listen to and they detach themselves and so as we're trying to help them evolve in ministry they just don't listen to us because we're too young yes that's what i see is that they don't listen to maybe you not with the right person that fits what you're i was talking to a young man let me the machete I was talking to young man and he may be watching me yeah and in my office everybody know Starbucks is my office sent us some money Starbucks Starbucks is my office yeah and he said to me that my pastor thinks that this is radical and that's and for me I was like what's wrong with that because you know I mean and I'm like I just think you're not in the right place because when you're in the right place they're not your friends but it at least agrees with what you do so could it be that it definitely could be that and so we have to I think many of us are in transitional periods seeing what we're connected to what we might have to leave or escape from because of that so you should pray for those that's a message so when do you when do you do that when do you say did you switch daddy cuz I've been with mine for 27 years almost like I don't know when do you do that yeah I went mister which way i'ma go come on one minute y'all come on I think you have like a funeral wasn't it I think you have to I think you have to decipher the difference between your father and mentors and I think there are certain seasons to where you attach yourself to mentors to be able to take you to certain places but you you can't change your DNA and I think the problem is we are switching in this season our fathers for mentors and it is causing a great upheaval in the body of Christ now cuz people are switching to mentors when I believe we should stay with our fathers but our fathers also have to be secured enough to release us to get things we can't get from them I remember you know Bishop Arnaz keep saying my father but I remember I'd go to the bishop Hilliard and he would always sit down when he come on my show and say one thing about you you can always bring up Bishop mother no matter who owned the thing that's right guy that's my dad but I from him I received from Bishop Andrew merit and and others but I didn't change my father who dr. Ron Whitaker from Delaware Bishop to your point honestly I've experienced hatin when God has led me to do things a little bit differently such as go to school so just because your generation might have not went to school next thing I'm hearing this you know things being said over the pulpit about school and how you need to be spending more time with God so to me that was really hurtful to me honestly in my development this stuff really be going on yeah okay let's move up we got one more okay I think one of the my name is pastor Kenneth Lee from Kingdom Christian Center in South Bend Indiana and I think one of the greatest disappointment was the fact that people stopped being fathers and stopped developing relationships and the only way to get access was how much money you have so if I couldn't afford to be in your presence then I didn't get a chance to to get your information but Jesus gave that information out free and it transformed the world so you don't believe that you should see to your father I do believe that okay I do believe I just don't want to throw that all the way out there and cuz I believe I do believe I do believe yeah but I mean I understand what you're saying I believe I believe in honor I believe in honor and okay but he goes too far to the yeah when it's a business deal in that ministry then right then you're not feeling like a son you feel more like a John okay so let me ask you this Bishop yeah don't change the subject okay we're trying to do a hold I know you are but this so that's a touchy subject because you're putting it all on the sons what about the fathers who got unhealed wounds that can't love a son and so then you have a son that wants to be fathered and then you just made the segment statement and you said well did you change fathers what happens when the father don't want to sudden but what if he doesn't Rick what if he doesn't recognize him master son well I don't want to know where that don't nobody love me so that's yeah so then when he changes then he gets that statement which internally does some to him I know but why stay somewhere even in any kind of relationship that you're not being huh okay come on we got eight minutes in this one Bishop Ernest Robinson from Long Island New York I think the the bishop over here brought up a very good point to it because when you look at David and you look at Saul Saul comes he meets David at a point of his own rejection God just finished rejecting Saul and then here comes David in the house Saul didn't necessarily have a problem with passing on the baton Saul had an issue of who it was going to so sometimes who's next is not the father's choice but you know is who God chose and so it becomes a challenge so sometimes the fathers are having an issue because I don't want to father you into the next I want Jonathan but God chose David alright let me do this so what will it take what will it take to bring both together what what act of Congress what what what what will it take is gonna take Judy Asian mark more Malachi talks about the fact in the last days he says I will send my prophet and he will turn the hearts of the father's to the sons and the sons to the fathers and I think that we emphasize the turning part without emphasizing the fact that somebody has to lead the conversation and so I think that that part of what's missing from this conversation Bishop is the cultural element that we really haven't addressed in this whole jealousy and my turn in my time I think that part of it is we have been modeled a description a picture of success that has reduced our view of ministry to the point where if I'm not the senior pastor if I don't have a reserved spot if I don't have an appreciation Sunday then I don't matter in ministry and so we create cultures and contexts where you are wonderful number two you're a great assistant but you can't be gifted and be an assistant so you gotta go starch all so sometimes it's people pushing folks out sometimes as people pulling folk out knock if you'd start your own church everybody would go with you well that's not always true everybody's not a number one but the problem going back to what you asked about our issues with that generation you all have modeled models of ministry grated models of ministry where there's only one man or one woman per house and if you're not the senior voice then you don't matter at all and so I think that we have to emphasize the importance of secondary leadership the importance of building context in our churches where you don't have to be the senior pastor to matter and I think that that's something that's gonna lead to the raise your hand Pastor Dana that's the executive pastor my church that's my evangelism pastor right there so it y'all dig I'm just saying I'm a live a long time the greatest thing that happened to me was in the 90s when I went back back in the day to Earl Pope's church and he had a hundred and seven pastors he had passes over the parking lot over it changed my life I came back oh you al do you own problem what that is I did it too fast you know I was younger than but you're right we have to so let me let me let me let me let me so what are y'all saying we need to have conversations like this and then we need to have them in the room too with us but this is a start yes sir say your name Kevin do our in San Antonio Texas I would say this conversations are necessary I'd also believe that there shouldn't be an admission fee to have it and then y'all be trying to decide where the money going my name is pastor Bolden from Central Baptist Church here in Detroit Michigan I want to say that we always use comparisons of David and Saul and Elijah and Elijah when we talking about that relationship but I think we got to include some Christology in our leadership we have to pay attention to how Jesus walked with the disciples day day by day and many times we miss those lessons because we only see the father's on Sundays but you got to serve throughout the week so you could come see the struggles and the part of the work that you don't see when the suit is owned and when the Gators are on also when you look at the relationship of Jesus and His disciples the Bible says that Jesus looked at them one day I said I'd no longer call you my disciples but now you're my friends he says because slaves don't know what their masters are doing but I've revealed to you everything that is going on and as that relationship with father and son has to grow because we don't see enough parallels between natural fatherhood and spiritual fatherhood because my dad don't ask me to buy him gifts I buy him gifts out of honor but my father as I grow he pushes me out on to to walk on my own and to do what he's taught me to do and to throw me out there but he didn't throw me out there before he exposed me to both the glory and the work side of what it means to be in this ministry thing how many believe more is caught than taught so that you have to be around because I hear a lot of times younger preachers say you know not spending no time with me but I'm from the philosophy if you know anybody no good morning he don't do a lot of talking you got to kind of catch it and so I just think in so many cases we want we want them to talk let's do this the next roll end comes from a woman that I absolutely love I used to try to preach like her the Reverend Bishop Jacqueline McCullough young preacher greetings my name is bishop Jacqueline McCullough from Pomona in New York the International gathering of bether alpha and I'm here to encourage you if you have the call to be a pastor to be a Shepherd just want to leave a few words with you a Shepherd is one who feeds one who guides and one who provides the question is what are we feeding we're feeding the Word of God how are you guiding your counsel should be from the word and through the Holy Spirit what are you protecting the sheep from heresy and false teachings and you can't know what a false teaching is if you don't know what the truth is so my encouragement to you is it's not just the call it's the preparation and then the execution I don't know who prepared you for pastoral ship but it's so essential for you to be equipped because it's one of the greatest jobs in the world you prepare people for their eternity so I encourage you to study the Word of God so you could feed the right food I encourage you to understand the Word of God so you can give counsel and encourage you to stand on the Word of God so you could keep people from heresy and false teachings this is just a few nuggets for you and hopefully it will do your heart good give it up a bishop Jacqueline McCullough Thank You bishop you're watching young preachers conversation of the ages I'm going on Facebook I'm looking at some of your comments I need you to share right now I need to be like hundreds of you sharing right now the broadcast guess what the show is not gonna end at ten we're gonna carry on on Facebook live for another 30 minutes it's the behind the scenes right now coming up give it up right now for our musical guests a young preacher a man formerly of understand it give it up for Bishop Brian piers I got joy joy joy joy unspeakable joy cuz I can't explain that he took all the pain Nana gave me joy supernatural joy I [Music] wasn't - do you have it now yeah he took away all [Music] yeah [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] - Te'o [Music] [Music] [Music] some policy some policy [Music] [Music] [Music] welcome back to now ink on there I don't care what you do well you can dance all day ypj welcome back cuz then y'all beat em up we didn't have enough substance I'm going I'll be like the picture open your Bibles to y'all shouting oh all the way around welcome back to young preacher conversation of the ages I'm so glad we almost had 500 shares I need another 500 y'all share you're watching the word network I'm 50 great Davis we change panels let's give it up for the last panel you all joining us now and in our in our second panel tonight I'm finding the right here Kevin do heart Knuth am I saying right Kenneth Lee pastor ypj and Jason Austin give it up I I came up in a time where preachers were relational those who that from Detroit Reverend CEO Franklin when he was living everybody ran over there to his broadcast and we we just you know even when I pastored in 90s folk just came to all my conferences stuff people are not relational like they used to be and I don't know what the disconnected is stop in my generation where general where's it where's it at but these four brothers are called themselves the what it's Justice League the Justice man I also came up in a time where I'm not bright justice not a rap group army group where you know you went to the coffee shop and you had coffee and you're talking but now where's the trust can we really share our hearts can we share with one another that our marriage is not good can we share that we're really struggling then and don't have no engagements on the calendar can we struggle that we're struggling with suicide we're struggling with an alternative like can we share with one another without I'm already eight date myself without telling somebody and they tell two friends and they tell two friends and so thank you see somebody else age themselves two and so on and so on so how did this start well honestly it really started in pain I personally was the one that kind of introduced everyone to everyone but during my divorce these three guys not only listen to me crying ache but they held me accountable and so in that timeframe we developed a very loving abusive relationship where they would tell me about myself what I didn't want to hear it and from there I developed and I discover something that real covenant is built on a fence when you can offend each other and be honest with each other and then beyond that there's to that stability but Kevin Kevin is the most brutal of us all so like no I'm just kidding like what is it why are we so close I think that I consider the relationship between Jonathan and David by eight years ago maybe nine years ago no ten years ago I was praying for relationships we met we both were youth pastors preaching for a particular ministry and did a vision and we're done ministering together we ended up being friends this is key I think when knitted my heart and vice versa is the same thing that would knit Jonathan and David when David returned with victory actually the head of Goliath and Jonathan overheard the relation of the conversation between Saul and David his heart was knitted to David's and he gave him his robe he gave him his sword he gave him his belt and so that relationship of Covenant was established which means I see potential in you so much so that what I'm caring you need and in that in exchange there it's like he saw that David was actually called to do what he was wearing you know that mean and so in our relationship it's like I see this potential in you I wanted to give you an empty out of what I have to make sure that you are successful in what it is that God's called you to do and that exchange has been healthy and consistent because we are intentional about making sure each other is successful we we go back way back we were enemies in high school we were enemies fighting over the same girl I took his girl I let her I took her back and now we don't either one who is that right that's right right now but one of the things that I can say my sister was murdered 2004 we started doing ministry and traveling just going because we had spare time we're in same city but when my sister and my worst moment where I didn't even know how could preach or go for I looked up and my best friend stayed with me for three days didn't change his clothes didn't leave my side and and and helped me through one of the darkest moments of my life and I didn't know that a couple of months later his uncle would be murdered in Africa and I would have to do the same thing for him so we are our relationship and friendship was built out of out of extreme hurt where nobody else could minister to us in a way that we needed to be ministered to I mean pastor Jason these guys mean the world to me because they met me at the worst time of my life and I think when you have guys that you can be naked with and I think problem is not physically naked so less but when you can share your deepest darkest secrets with because one of the problems that our generation has is sincerity one of the prongs our generation has is being genuine and you know unfortunately and this is not shade but the generation before is taught it so they taught us how to dock each other but not how to be transparent with each other so because of that we didn't know how they taught us how to cover each other's mess but not help each other through the mess and so I found some brothers that were genuine that we can call each other out on our stuff and we not - we're not in a position where we feel like we're beyond that level of accountability to one another there are people that are watching and they hear you but the truth of the matter is there's the trust element when did you all get to the the place that you really did you test the trust to make sure that you know your transparency was not going to leak out because you know we got leaky folk what do you think I'm thinking a rough spot for me personally it wasn't necessarily that I trusted can afford a thinner Jonathan it was more so than I trusted God I got to a place where I needed I needed some assistance I need somebody to talk to and so I'm like okay I'm gonna trust God with this relationship and if it fails me at least I tried and I think you get to a point where you come to the end of who you are you come to the end of not having anybody that can understand and relate to what it is that God has called you to do you have to trust God with those relationships he's bringing into your life and so that this would build that trust factor in me as I trusted God with with it not him but God first I think for me it wasn't even about and I think my brother cuz he's deep and he trusted God I didn't really trust God you know cuz you could trust God and still miss the person but for me it was I really needed to be around genuine guys that you could really expose yourself in a way that that wouldn't embarrass you that they would help you through that type of thinking and I think for us it made such sense to me when I met these guys to the first mint J then when I met Jay he introduced me to Kevin and what I had to learn is we all had to build our own relationships so all of our relationships are different we need each other but they're all different and we trust each other in different ways is there is there is there accountability or definitely also it's the fact that we have the ability to be honest with each other and that's the accountability that many people don't have and the fact that we're confident men who are not insecure Jonathan I we why PJ and I we pass her in the same city but all of these years that we traveled the road I knew that God had a great call on his life I'm glad being a local pastor doing my thing serving my community but Jonathan has a call to the nation and so one thing that though he has that great call to the nation the most important thing he needed was a friend that's gonna have his back no matter what and so I have I made it my point to push his ministry to push Pastor do Hart's ministry to push jathan's ministry and not be insecure because things may be better for them than they are for me but I know what I'm doing now and I do what I do when they do what they do how many of y'all have have this kind of relationship everybody raise your hand keep answers okay I don't see pastor Kelvin I don't see pastor Mitchell Calvin you look at me like this show well one of the things I learned bishop is when I try to rely on friends or to use people I needed to get to a place where I can have more relationship with God and to have my relationship to grow in God and to try to lean on people because I got to a point in life where I started depending on people more than idea God see I'm I'm a pastor but you know okay I'm an introvert most people don't know that I sit at Starbucks every day I don't I don't I don't have this I'm just be honest I don't have this I mean I'm being truthful I'm an introvert and I'm more comfortable right now many others would be nervous with this this is my family this is this is you know I have my church people but you know I have certain ones but I don't have friends like this so I honor you all and I celebrate you all mine comes from trust mine comes from the lack of trust that most time when I try to have a relationship people are shoving a book in my hand can I be on the show or they want to give me a CD nobody calls me outside of warning the platform I relate to you Bishop I mean I'm doing sorry for me I'm all right no no how many about the suicide prevention line in a minute Oh soon this should look everybody knows amongst the four of us I'm the most distrustful they all know that and they say I'm the jerk of the group because I don't trust people but I appreciate them for changing me because I am an introvert and Jathan taught me you can't be introverted and be successful in you feel Kevin taught me that you've got to be willing to open up and so their relationship with me has pushed me beyond my introverted claim and you know I champion that oh I don't like being around people but then God called me to preach to the nation so I think sometimes you have to find people that will push you out of the element of your comfort zone sometimes before you say that sometimes though and I want to say this for the benefit of those that might even be there in the audience sometimes we have to stop calling people arrogant because they're introverts I think I needed to put that in there everybody is not arrogant because they standoffish I'm not I'm the nicest person in the world really except for today ypj might not say that I'm not arrogant you're not arrogant but well sir I can't speak for nobody else but in in most cases people think that introvert or being you know the way you are is arrogance and we mistake that if everybody's not arrogant I was going to say something I think too we're you know in the context this religious circles messed us up and we're so religious that we can't even see the principles that crisis set before that when he wants to love you he loves you through a person so when I hear people say all I need is Jesus I'm like that you're liar you're hurt you know because you need more than Jesus he looked at animals like it's not good for you to be alone so if all you needed was Jesus he didn't never created Eve so we need each other but I think you might find just one person it might not be a bunch of people but I think if we don't practice getting whole Bishop then you'll be skeptic and you'll be paranoid looking at everybody everybody doesn't want your platform no I'm gonna keep it a stack with you everybody don't want your platform they really want to relationship with you but they might be intimidated because of your platform maybe why I can't find a wife neither I want to ask the ladies is it harder for you all to find it this kind of connect to find this kind of relationship amongst women sure laundry tailor Houston Texas absolutely I think comparison is the killer of confidence and a lot of women we compare one more time we got a little more time comparison is the killer of confidence and so a lot of times when we want to be with one another we want to share ourselves with one another it's almost like sharing your secrets means that they have a one-up on you and when they are ready to expose you to keep you from getting to the next platform they will that's what keeps me now I'm an introvert to my core I came in I spoke and I went back to my corner but I do understand that you need people in order to survive but it's difficult especially for women again because we compare ourselves so much to where we forget that who God has made us is enough and because of that it's difficult for women now these women are great so not them praise God but there are it becomes more difficult to develop will general legend shows with women because we're always in competition I have heard women say that they would rather be friends with a male minister then I'm gonna say like a caddy woman dr. Nicole P Lyles Belton new Shiloh Baptist Church Atlantic City New Jersey I think that the issue is when it becomes an issue of can I be myself around you without you thinking that I think I'm better than you and then you can be around a man and he's not concerned about you know how many Facebook followers you have or how many pair of shoes you have what kind of car you driver how many earned degrees you have so I think that that's where the issue steps saying can you can you meet women who can meet you where you are and be comfortable with you being on your level even if they're not there I want to give the Maya white st. Louis Missouri I want to give the flip to it because I don't have that issue I'm I don't have an issue I have a group of friends we call ourselves the Fab five because we are the Fab five but we we promote and we push each other and I think that the way we could remedy this women is if we start being the woman that we are looking for if you want someone to you know help promote and help be a good friend not even just about ministry just be a good friend you're looking for a friend be the friend that you're looking for not every woman has a comparison issue or not every woman has an issue with another woman thriving I believe that we all are going to win and if I can help you win then that's helping me win give us your analysis I'll just simply say that our relationships are as healthy as we are are as healthy as we are that's in all relationships women with women platonic friendship men with men the father's the son listen to that boy your relationships are as healthy as you are as an individual so if you see that you're having challenges with other people often that's more about what's going on within you as opposed to what's going on with them I want to we only have a few minutes I want to pose this to you all it is reported that since 2013 55 pastors have committed suicide I was talking talking to dr. Melvin Wade did an interview with him and it played the other week great interview and I asked him I said dr. Wade he just retired from great Church in California great young man succeed I said why in your generation we didn't hear about suicide you didn't hear about preachers killing themselves I mean maybe they did maybe we didn't have social media to find out quicker but I actually said I don't know he said because I've never even thought about giving up let alone come in suicide so can anybody help me and I need to know why do you all feel that this generation now feels like taking your life and Internet when you got hundreds thousands of people not only do you affect the congregation but you affect their families because you affect everybody sure I want to say something I don't think it's our generation I think it's a if you look at the demographic of the age of the preachers that are committing them in suicide it's not our generation the truth of the matter is the generation before us looked a certain way were not emotionally healthy they were good at what they do these guys that are in their 30s and 40s y'all and your third is important they're not all of them Bishop that's not the majority of them the majority older no I think that people not having folks that they can download to people that they can actually get the issues is going on with their life or someone who can say hey man it's rough right now but it'll be all right I am very grateful to my friends when I'm having a Down moment that I can get encouragement they're not talk laughing at me they're not joking they're building me up because they know that I got a kingdom assignment and maybe at that moment their assignment is to encourage me to keep on going so when you don't have friends that you can actually go to the movies with go stay at a very bad hotel where you're just trying to get some word from the Lord we went to a hotel and it was terrible but this was at the beginning but that was an experience that we learn from each other and we had a great time and it's become a great memory and it taught us that we never wanted to be like that again when you have people that can can deposit in your life something positive something good and push you forward it helps you to get through those rough times reverend clifford clark also a mental health professional i wanted to speak briefly to the epidemic of the suicide that's happening with yes i do agree our generation 30s 40s and into the 50s it's happening in that that whole demographic and what I'm noticing is it's it's a lot of the skills that have been passed down from the former generation which is the secrecy you mentioned earlier what were one of the disappointments that that we were handed down and I believe that was the secrecy of the elders that they kept secrets they kept they didn't they weren't transparent and that's been passed down and what's happening now is people are more isolated the interpersonal communication skills are broken so we're not connecting and so when we isolate just like Paul talks about cutting the hand off on the body then it dies and we begin an introvert we begin to self implode and now the best option seems to be if I can't trust anybody else I'm gonna take my own life because that's the only escape I can't escape to people I just did you want to yeah I thought y'all I got please I just want to push back on something just for a moment Bishop and and really raise more of a question for you is it that in this generation they're more preachers committing suicide or is it that there are more people committing suicide I think that we we minimize the seriousness of the issue if we reduce it to preachers if we look across of occupations and across all color lines more people are committing suicide and so by virtue of that you see more people in every occupation but I think that that's a cultural conversation needs to be had more than generational I think this speaks to the spirit of our age suicide being a result oftentimes of feelings of helplessness I have no effect I can't do anything else and all of that feeds back into social media and the competition and the I feel like a loser because I'm looking at pastor Elton's church I'm looking at pastor nissan's Church pastor that's the green church now I'm feeling that I'm nobody because I'm hopeless I'm helpless I don't think it's so much about generations as much as this is a symptom of the age that we live in and so I don't think that it's just preachers I think this is people but we're dealing with preachers that's the reason why I gave that statistic that's true that's true but if we're gonna effectively deal with it as preachers we can understand that the people that are sitting in our pews are dealing with it as well I got you so how do we handle that right okay so what I want to do and imma let pass screen I wanted me to put the number up because if you're watching right now this is a serious thing if you're watching right now we want to give you a resource there is a suicide prevention hotline lifeline I don't want to do this if we're not gonna help people suicide prevention and I need some preachers to get our own number where we can do it ourselves but it's on that it's on there right now and I want you to just take your phone out and just take a picture of it those of you that are watching take a picture of it right now suicide prevention 1-800 to 73 talk the website is there it is thoroughly private and if you're watching right now we can plead the blood all day long it works but we also need somebody to talk to before we do implode hey man come on and this is the last one I also googled my brother passed more said this isn't a preachers issue as much as it is a cultural issue but for preachers that are in this category I think a hearse might have mentioned it earlier I think lack of transparency is what is causing it I've discovered in the last several years that I've been in ministry in the last four years that I've been pastoring that sometimes ministry brought more misery than joy and had I had somebody to kind of share a little bit more about it with me maybe I would have handled some of my challenges different but I thank God for my father because one thing my father did teach me he taught me to me he taught me but you have to fall in love with God because if you can fall in love with God he'll help you to serve beyond the challenges that come along with the assignment and I agree with that I agree with all that but again again I know you all you all are saying and I think this is where a lot of people have issue with us is that we say yes but it's happening everywhere and we don't want to deal with it in our community so that that's my only thing and and you know this is my opinion oh my god y'all want to keep going on this ok I want to add that every I believe every pastor should have a therapist I think that the way that we help promote emotional spiritual healthiness in our churches and in our communities to change the culture is to tell people it's okay to have a therapist it's okay to go see a counselor because not all you not all of us are gonna feel comfortable enough to talk to a friend or another person that's in ministry per se but if you have a licensed therapist that you go see you know either weekly or monthly there is absolutely nothing wrong with going to see a therapist and I think culturally we put a bad stigmatism on having a therapist I'm a take I'm gonna take Oh Lord show just Pat just pass it on back when you get through one minute y'all seriously cuz I want to be respectful to this pen and I still got some Rolen's come on Bishop I think we ought to raise the issue tonight that you know mental health matters and it doesn't matter if you're a preacher teacher or just someone in the pubic if there are mental health issues I think one of the ways they answer my brother my brother's question I think we need to pull on the resources we need to raise the awareness we need to use our platform a little bit more just like we do forgiving and healing as it relates to laying hands on you we also need to have discussions like this during perhaps our midweek services or on a Sunday change the way we do church because it's happening some of the pastor's that have committed suicide some of them when you go back and look at the history they had suffered with depression mental health issues and even though it starts with having this base and a friendship and I have you know natural brothers that are just like you guys are where to get and then I have friends outside of that but there are some things that you have to go outside of your circle to get so I agree with you pastor that we also need to not talk down on you know talking to someone seeing a therapist and pulling on the resources that are available in our city and in our community to help our people because the truth that have and to help ourselves because the truth of the matter is I think that's the holistic picture of you know making sure that we prosper and be in health okay y'all gotta be obedient now 30 seconds now he took he took y'all shaving I was just gonna mention as a pastor who dealt with depression and suicide the thought of it I literally went to counseling a counseling facility no TV no cell phone - because I value my life at one point I did not and I believe it's because our culture looks down upon it so where if you feel this pressure you don't feel comfortable in going to a brother or sister without them thinking that you're less anointed if you go and get help know what makes me able to carry the glory is the is is the availability of my transparency and my honesty and I think it comes from previous generations not just being open to talk about those battles I'll talk about those struggles and we have dealt with the struggle in secrecy and then show the public success pastor Eric celebration Church of Detroit Michigan as an educator who works day to day with children dealing with adolescent behavior several times a week while I have children come to me often admitting that they want to kill themselves for many of the same reasons that many of us have either thought about taking our own lives it's because we want to escape from our issues but however because we are bound by churchianity we were taught instead of going to see a counselor praise your way out of it but when I go home my lights are still cut off and I don't know where the money's coming from and I don't know how I'm gonna put food on my on the table for my wife and for my children and those are many of the things in the cliches that we have drowned our community in instead of actually advising them to really go seek seek out help and sit and talk to somebody the same experience is that my children who are in kindergarten all the way up through eighth grade come and tell me almost like I said on a weekly basis several times throughout the week they have some of the same issues that we're facing and we need to give them some real solutions because I can't tell Little Jimmy in the second grade Jimmy if you give God a praise your dad is gonna stop beating your mom every day when you go home cuz that's all he sees that's all he knows and it makes him feel like they're doing it because of him and he's the reason why they're going at it don't repeat yourself unless I tell y'all okay we got it close on this one y'all after this one I really believe it I'm gonna be brief that pastors nowadays in this season have so much pressure on them to produce to perform to be a celebrity on the weekends to dress a certain way to have a certain look to have a certain following to have an appeal be a doctor be a teacher be an adviser it's just so much pressure on so many people that many of them are bringing the best thing I did in life is when I decided it was okay to be me okay imma know that's when deliverance came in my life that I don't care if y'all talk about me in my jeans I don't care I don't care about I feel good but I am at the great place in my life that I feel good about me and that's where it starts okay come on pastor Rochelle come on I'm so soft they said that there was one thing that I could add right now to staff it would be licensed psychologists or psychiatrists and I think one of the things is we can't over spiritualize schizophrenia we can't try to cast that out I mean there are some things that we can pray for and you know fast for things like that but if folks are coming to us with general needs that are suicidal and needing the help from God we can't be so prideful that we as pastors feel like we have what we need what they need to actually counsel them but to actually refer to them the people that can actually help them I wanna say this to that because I wouldn't do that as a pastor when someone comes to me and I can't help them I try to send them to help but the issue I ran into was I sent them to help that did not believe in the Christ I believe in and so the flip side of that is we don't just need psychiatrists we need psychiatrists we have a relationship with Christ because what they told him was part of your problem regional church you need to leave your church you need to leave your price you need to go in another direction so I'm gonna say this too that I do believe God is able don't say that I do believe that God can still deliver the line but even in that I think that we need Christian psychiatrist who can also help the heroic complex has been the biggest thing in the preacher dynamic but I just want to echo some of what you've already said about wearing so many hats and happen to be their counselor and be this it's okay to say that's not my specialty okay that's it y'all give it up for this panel the Justice League you're watching young preachers we got one more panel and then we're gonna hit Facebook live I need you to share everybody share this give us your questions and comments we have to Rolen's one my Bishop Bishop Paul Sylvester Morton and Bishop Walter Thomas and then we're gonna have some music it will be back rolling hello I am Bishop Paul s Morton I'm just so excited to share this moment with you listen young preacher 2019 conference is going to be amazing you've got to be part of it listen young preachers I was young once I promise you I was and what is so important when you first of all character is important you got to have that relationship with God integrity is important and then prepare yourself don't try to get over on people but study to show yourself approved when you have that kind of discipline you win congratulations young preachers at the young preachers conference greetings young preacher this is my opportunity to share just a nugget of wisdom with you that has helped me through these years of pastoring and that is this always understand that people are different that sounds commonplace sounds ordinary but sometimes we forget it people are born and hardwired differently accept it embrace it learn to welcome it don't try to make everybody like you don't try to make everyone fit in the same categories everyone fit in the same ministry model understand that people are different they will step to you different come to you different they will have different needs and different ways of understanding if you can understand that and embrace the difference that God puts all around you you'll be able to effectively minister to each person remember God is sending you to them to meet them where they are in your church in the neighborhood wherever understand people are hardwired differently but God has made you that unique individual who can minister to them all in that way you become like Jesus and in that way the peace of Christ that passes all understanding guide you with what you do stay true to you and stay true to them take care Bishop Paul Morton and Bishop Walter Thomas give it up for them [Applause] those of you that are watching you watching young preacher it is the conversation of the ages I want to thank you so much for tuning in those you on Facebook I need you to share I'm gonna look at your comments I need you to compensate and we're gonna read the comments listen he's coming back again Bishop Brian piers standing his will give it up him y'all [Music] [Music] [Music] which is us [Music] he gets rot sometimes [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Oh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] recently [Music] God's will [Music] [Music] I promise you ah [Music] [Applause] [Music] that's where I wanna be you can have everything that's why [Music] [Music] hi [Music] somebody worship Him [Music] that's not a relationship [Music] mr. Brian piers I want you to follow him go download his music support him give it up one more time for him continue to share on Facebook in about 30 minutes we're going to switch over to Facebook live the conversation will continue behind the scenes another 30 minutes I am have y'all enjoyed this alright thank you all we're talking next to to the next panel and this panel is more about what's next I see a lot of tweets and various things on social media Instagram saying we got Nicks you know folk of transitioning we ready we so I want to find out what makes me and I don't say that in a disrespectful way is the next is the neck is the church in good hands with this next generation right now I want to welcome mark more Jathan Austin Khalid khaleja Khalida khaleja Khalida colita I'm sorry khalida Forbes I'm sorry Nathan you're green Reginald sharp and Brian nettles give it up for them [Applause] I'm so sorry what's what snakes with what's what with what's the forecast you got a generation coming behind you and I don't know if it's really realized you all the fathers and mothers in the faith there are people that will come to you and ask you to father them because you not just because of age but because of what you've been through I don't think age has anything to do with experience with experiences that you go through so I want to open that broad question up to the Apostle what's next well thank you bishop for having this gathering I think that is apropos for the season that we're in is needed would you talk about what's next I think that the name this particular gathering is important you called the young preacher not novice preacher not new preacher but young preacher because young does not necessarily equate to being a novice and so when we talk about what's next I think that the church is in a time of significant transition we're seeing fathers not just retired but also expire and so pastors are looking for their successors and so succession plans are not just being planned but they're being enacted and initiated and so I think that that is that's what's next Timothy has to be discovered and the intimidating must be developed so that Timothy can be deployed I think that that's where the church is at paestum are more you you there's a wave happening in your area you having a great conference you've been on my show to talk about it we celebrate you for what God is doing I mean we could not have this and I say that to you I've noticed that you have gathered young people from all the Millennials but you make sure that you keep in the room our generation the no Jones your dad stand side by side I watched from my bed yo-yo your conference amazing but so how have you kept that all together great question I echo what my brother said and thank you for bringing us together but I think that nothing illustrates this better than the story that Jesus shows us through the feeding of the 5,000 we've preached that to young preachers we've heard that store all of our life but what stands out to me if we can reduce it to this it's simply that what the moment needed the next generation had all right but it was useless until the next generation submitted what they had to those that had been here longer and I think that where the church is now we are generation where we know how to do social media we know how to brand we know how to gather we know how to develop we know how to preach we know how to do everything but what's next is gonna require your the facilitation of both generations coming together the younger strong but the old men know the way and so I think that what has to happen in order for next to become now is back to Malachi there must be this turning of the hearts of the father's to the sons the sons of the fathers and the next verse says lest i smite the earth with the curse much of what we see i believe in church world and even in the natural world is a result of the curse that has been released because there is not been this turning of the hearts one to each other so i think in order for us to have next we can have zeal we can have skill but we still have to submit ourselves to wisdom because the pieces on the chessboard of moving bishop you mentioned the transition going on in atlanta and i think that the the pieces are moving you look at an apostle ron carpenter leaving going to California and a John Gray going to South Carolina a passage Jamal Bryant leaving Baltimore a pastor Reginald Sharpe going to take the reins at fellowship the pieces are being restructured and because people are transitioning the truth of matter is five years from now the kingdom generals will be completely different certainly 10 years from now my retirement by death or the grave it's gonna happen and so there must be this merging of generations to come together to do something great so that we don't destroy the potential that we built because we're - I don't know what you want to say scared or unwilling to let go and to share what each generation has how do you transition without disrespecting how do you thank you how do you how do you transition without I'm looking at several of course dr. dr. IRA sure I'm coming in here cuz I got a certain bet I will go to pass the white her father you got him all dr. Nick how do you track without offending and disrespect I went through it in Wilmington Delaware you know I was told I brought in the riffraff and everybody else in the church because Polk was wearing jeans and all that and I was derogating the altar not just all kind of stuff how do you do that and and don't disrespect anybody I don't think you can let me say that whoa I don't think you can I think that any parent when you watching your child begin to mature there's always going to become a season where they start to quote unquote my grandmother used to say smell themselves right but as a parent you know that they're gonna go through that adolescent or that prepubescent period they're gonna go through puberty and so since you know they're gonna go through that the frustration should be seen the frustration should be calculated within the transition so transition isn't gonna be easy so we have to make ourselves vulnerable and available for the offense and for the frustration I think that transition can be smooth whenever there's change only em even babies don't like to be changed they cry when you're changing them because everybody struggles with change but we must understand those of us who are going through transitions so money like me following a Reverend clay Evans following a reverend charles Jenkins I cannot walk in the door acting as if nothing existed before I showed up it will be immature and arrogant and ignorant to act like now that I'm here now we can go into the future you have to respect Moses so Joshua can thrive you can't act like you've been leading all the way there's a read there was a 40-year period before you got to a certain place and while you will cross the Jordan you got an honor and and give homage to the people who got over the Red Sea and so I think that I think that that's what makes transition easier don't walk in the door you know and I'm not I'm not gonna walk in the door acting like this has to change and this has to change don't leave it just like it is and in time you slowly move people to where you see God leading you to go what do you do if the succession is not planned you have to not only live yourself but you got to take care of the pasture that's there because they don't have retirement so you got a oh I got a bunch of homes in here you you got it you got to get a car no they house no they salary and you're looking at your own self I'm trying not to get personal what do you do can I can I answer that quick sure okay I believe that we have to lead understanding one day we may be in that place so we ought to lead and show love and show honor and deference because one day we may be the preacher who gets sick who the church moves out and you need one person to say you know what respect to show deference to him and it may happen for you because you did it for somebody else quickly having gone through that transition I think you got to have a hard conversation nobody wants to have and the hard conversation has to be where's our budget what's gonna have to get cut how do I do this by honoring you but the truth of the matter is there's not a rule for both of us like this it's a hard conversation they lie go ahead exactly but it's a conversation that if we don't have it it creates more tension it's a conversation that has to be had with the congregation is a conversation that continues to have to mold and develop over time because if we don't have it we're hurting the church rather than helping it and then what you're gonna do is you're gonna raise a young preacher that will end up becoming a bitter preacher because he's not being able to have the support needed to move forward I wanna I want to come to pass the green in just one minute cuz he said something to me last night all transitions are not in in the house there are some transitions that are in here that you're carrying the mantle of the person you may not get their work but you had their work in you so I'm going there right path no he actually said is I'm just taking credit I just wanted to jump on that just being a successor in the succession plan I believe that you do have to have the conversation but I will always honor my father as long as he is alive and when he's dead but I believe that the job of the successor is to honor and take care of those that came before them that's your blood father yes no no but I know what you're saying but there are others be like hell am I really that's true they do but honor code is honor code you honor what came before you and pave the way and I believe just like in Ezra when they were when they were rebuilding the temple they had they honored what was there but they said okay we're gonna work together we got to have this conversation because there's a new dimension that we're going into but you have to have the conversation and we that are coming into next we can't be arrogant to not honor what came before us reven a denies Dave's my grandfather saying he said Sonny just keep on living you're gonna get old it's gonna come back around I want to come to you and then I want to do the to Rolen's because I want to get to the last role in for a reason you shared with me last night you didn't take over the church you took over the spirit of your grant go ahead absolutely i I knew then I knew with everything in me that I was going to succeed my grandfather it was my dream to succeed my grandfather I wanted to walk in his shoes and my ambition for that clouded what my real assignment was gonna be because I had no clue that God will move me halfway across the country to Dallas Texas but it wasn't until I moved that wasn't until I moved it out then I realized legacy isn't tired to a chair legacy is it's tired to a commitment that you make to live out whatever God started in your father he says in acts 2 and 17 in the last days I'll pour my spirit upon all flesh your sons and daughters will prophesy your old men will see dreams your young men will see visions and I think sometimes young men get it twisted we think when we get a vision God started talking when he gave us the vision but really every young man's dream is nothing more than a crystallized image of a father's dream every young man's vision rather is a crystallized image of a father's dream and so we're nothing more than a continuation of a conversation that God started with another man which is why it's important for the generations to walk alongside each other can't throw fathers away but fathers can't throw sons away and this is why you have to make sure that the men of the when you're tying yourselves - you don't need a sponsor you need a father sponsors they cultivate your ability on a platform fathers they cultivate your character they they have the Liberty to rebuke you and help my father Bishop J drew Shearer he doesn't just check on my gift he calls and checks on my family he calls to make sure I'm loving my wife he goes make sure I'm paying my own time if I'm I tell my people to pay at that time that's what we need when he fathers that were walk alongside us and make sure that whatever whatever they were dreaming we're seeing it correctly so that we can bring it into fruition amen the - next role ends the one and only Bishop Ivy Hillier you know him and Bishop TD jinks take him away I'm often asked what wisdom would I give to young pastors young leaders and that wisdom is to learn to respect the mentoring relationships that God brings into your life now it is the order of God to teach us and to train us by example we are the sum total of what others have poured into our lives that we chose to incorporate into our lives so we are all stewards of others legacy so value the connections and never let new mentoring relationships cause you to forget the investments others have made in you remember God sends you into mentoring relationships to educate you to expose you to exhort you empower you ultimately to elevate you so be good grateful stewards with you that I believe if you will here it will it will help to expedite your process and to better insulate you as you go up the road toward your purpose in the kingdom I want you to understand that opportunities and opposition is not exclusive one from the other anytime you see their opportunity you have to expect the opposition one of the mistakes that many young preachers make in preparation for ministry is prepare for the opportunity but they are poorly prepared for the opposition so they have not had media training they don't understand the infrastructure what they need around them for success they see the stains they see the opportunity and they think it's all about preaching it is not you can preach yourself into a situation where you need more than preaching skills you need leadership skills your ability to the lead determines how you have no opposition so if you have a plan and a strategy for the opportunity but it does not include a plan and a strategy for the opposition you could give the opportunity and loose it because you couldn't handle the opposition come on y'all give it up Bishop ABI Hilliard Bishop Thomas Dexter Jake want to thank Melinda Henry thank you for getting those videos from me and I appreciate all six of those men and women of God taking our time to do that thank God for the favor of God there's Jake's opportunity and opposition hand-in-hand woman of God is that it you would say ye about that that was a very powerful point of wisdom that Bishop Jake's shared and I think that we're seeing more and more in the last couple of years what happens when we're not prepared for the opposition when we're not prepared even to handle social media and the comments that people make one of the things I would like to do to charge or encourage my peers is that we do a better job of leading on social media I'm embarrassed sometimes about the way that we're conducting ourselves the way we're choosing to respond to comments underneath our posts that we may not agree with and realizing that it's easy to be able to say well this is my Twitter in my turn this is my face in my book you can unfollow me if you want to but that's not an appropriate posture to take as a spiritual leader to then turn around and lash back out at the person understand what I'm saying but then we're hoping that they might one day come into our church and then be able to receive the gospel through us and so I think that when it comes to opposition especially because social media is such a huge part of what we do now in ministry I want us just to be ever mindful of how we manage opposition especially when it comes to our social media platforms we need to be more mature more graceful and more sophisticated some of us need to put our phones down in Jesus name so that you can take a minute because the reality is that were human beings and I think sometimes the pew and people don't realize that we're human beings and so they're going in on us and we actually have so you have hurt my feelings today but then I have a responsibility to say that I'm gonna rise to a higher level and I'm not going to shrink down to where you are because I'm not just a preacher when I'm in the pulpit I have a responsibility to represent Christ no matter where I am and so I would encourage us all to just be mindful because a lot of the Opposition I'm seeing happening on social media and we're destroying our credibility in one stroke of your thumbs but don't go away from Facebook right now I need you to share all right one thousand people have shared already now I'm trying for 1500 come on I need you to share don't just enjoy the conversation you need to share this with everybody we want to break record um right quick cuz I want to shift right quick we got we only got a few minutes that I want to get to some of them and something else Bishop I haven't really heard a lot of tonight but I think what will help with that is that we really really train preachers to go back to establishing a solid consecration we don't talk about we preach to the people about having a prayer life that we don't have we it's to the point now we want the people to receive the word we want the parishioners to receive the word but preachers don't even like to receive the word and so we've got to really teach this coming generation our generation and coming generations to go back to getting on your face and but nobody want to talk about that you know don't get on your face and having a relationship with God I meant what I said earlier I believe in having therapists I believe in having clinical help and assistance but I also believe in the power of God I believe in the power of the Holy Ghost and I don't care what anybody says I believe he can change your mind if you let it well what about studying because you know I somebody hit me this week as I was preparing say you know our generation we studied this generation don't want to study I'm just saying that that's what the accusations are about the generation that you know some of them are robbing they're robbing messages off for YouTube and set up going and pray and getting watches which struck me when you said there's some people that are like I wish that I had more preaching engagements and I remember years ago we were at a conference at News Thomas in Baltimore and dr. Billy Curtis he said something in that young preacher session and he said that there are many of us who are desiring all of these preaching opportunities but he said that God knows you have sermons so that's why no one's calling you because they would call you and you wouldn't be able to deliver anything and so as young preachers right we need to be in the face of God we need to be in prayer we need to be studying when you study the word the sermons are going to come as you're feeding yourself you're going to begin to write and he's going to begin to speak but a lot of times the reason why you're not getting any calls is because God knows he knows and so you're not prepared the best thing that could happen for some of us right now is for nobody to call us absolutely because the fact of the matter is some of us have brands that we've built in our knowing does that match our brand your brand your website your logo can get you the invitation but it's a good Clinton get you invite it but will you be invited back will things be different when you leave and so I think that we need to embrace and it goes back to the evolving conversation about my exposure and competition I got to get my calendar so I'm supposed to the flyer with their dates and they got more than me no no embrace this time when nobody knows you because it's hard it's easy to fail when don't nobody know you when the lights come on when people are following but more people following if you follow more people see you because there are more people behind you I tell people all the time do you want to come on the show on Greg Davis laughing all that make sure you're ready because it only take one time for them not to call you so the other thing like my grandfather used to say he said Sonny just prepared a message prepare the message God I have somewhere for you to go we're not preparing we preach we study to preach not for our lives this is one of the challenge that we face is we're promoting the issues of people that can't preach so now we're following popularity so it's no longer about preaching and death now it's about how popular you are on social media and so we're pushing and creating this culture and making it worse because when we watching certain preachers preach we are looking like how in the world did they get this platform and why are they shouting off of what this fool just say so so is it not true that you don't really have to be a great preacher to grow a church now all you have to do is for example issues bishop all you have to do is preach the gospel of victimization well that's true we have big churches so I think that we have reduced that charisma is another word they had though pastoring we have reduced to preach it I think and I think we should because they can't shout the house like somebody else can Batman that woman is anointed to pastor people I think that part of our generation we have so emphasized the preaching moment in the hoop and the e-flat the modulation that when the service is over were in the Batmobile and we're gone wings shouldn't nobody's hand way that's how your mama doing your dad is still got down let's go along with it let me go to the hospital and see you so I think that we have to before we go further we have to make sure that we're not making every great breach or a pastor because part of the problem all these pastors they shouldn't be pastoring as we talk about when they mess up is we should have said it before we installed them and said you're a great evangelist but you'll need to lead people yet so when you're talking about when you're talking about the preaching moment and you know everybody's talking I talked to pastors they want to be multicultural but we were talking about intergenerational multi-generational multi-generational and so I want to hit that and offline on Facebook live we're gonna talk about the social media piece and we're gonna talk about the church is actually right here in our hand so that conversations gonna be continued how do we deal with folk that's not coming to church statistics say 20 percent let's come to church now we're gonna talk about that offline on Facebook live so let's deal with that the multi-generational we're living in a time right now we're four to five generations show up at church and we got so consumed with being reaching Millennials that we forget the four to five generations in the room and I consider myself as a bridge and when my father turned over my his church to me I was intentional about making sure that every generation in my church feels like new light is their church because I'm not gonna miss a generation because I want every generation from the traditionalists to the Generation X why millennial baby boomer to say that's my pastor and new light is my church so from nonverbal to verbal communication every worship experience I'm trying to do something so Sunday morning the teenagers have Madden tournaments in the lobby thanks to my youth pastor in there our life lounge I made wear a skirt just for my older generation to say my possible skirt to church this Sunday morning but I'm going after every generation and not just being social media savvy so that my Millennials think I'm cool we have to be Bridgers because that's the strength of our church I just thinking that I'm in a similar situation and and so with the older generation Church you don't want to isolate or alienate any generations you want to make sure everybody feels included you know the gospel was never meant to be cool it was meant to make people conform so that we can see the power of God transform people's lives and I really believe that we have to make sure that we don't get so trendy that we start to miss the power of God and the authentic anointing of God because we don't need to out entertain the world all we need to do is show forth the kingdom of God and the power of God and and they'll come and so I want to say that dr. arisia was right and so the question I want bill Kimbrough Detroit Michigan how do you then bridge the gap because I know for myself personally hymns didn't mean anything to me until I came into the fullness of who I really knew God is as a person so how do you didn't bridge the gap between singing Israel Houghton and in hymns I think you have to be intentional you know for me my first year thank God I finished my first year with great success to God be the glory but I was intentional to not go in and turn everything over and say I'm the new pastor it was about sustaining and stability but you have to be intentional about reaching every generation so when they want to do something and say let's the RSVP via text I have to stop and say no y'all need a flyer because the older people want a flyer in their hand and so you have to be intentional my young people came to me and said pastor matter of fact my son said mom we want our own service on Sunday and for years I had a conviction about a youth service because I feel like that's the way they a young youth pastor can turn your whole church around but I heard him and my father had prophesied that this would be the season where God would use new strategies to reach the masses and I had listened to him so now we're starting on new services on Sunday so you just have to be intentional about it you are we gonna switch to Facebook in just a minute i'ma let Bishop thirty-seconds bishops so we're grace to pastor six living generations so I echo exactly what you're saying dr. Irish I really believe that we have to be intentional not just in the pulpit but how we communicate if we have cancellations everything can't just be through text because there's a generation that still want the phone tree and so when you are when you're multi-generational intergenerational you got to look at all those different platforms ray I need you to put that fly up those of you that are watching right now come on Jason those are that are watching right now come this way those who that are watching right now I text every day to the young preachers right now just take a screenshot of it it's young preacher at text young preacher to four one four one one young preacher to four one four one one right now young preacher to four one four one one and you can get a daily text from me I'm encouraging that young preacher that's how I started this now I'm texting it out every day young preacher to four one one I have these young men up here because I want to thank publicly these two in general is not good without some lieutenants and some Sarge's thank you pastor YPG thank you pastor Jason we're going on Facebook the word network let's go y'all

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