Somebody's arm,
there is a growth under the arm
being removed. There's a
growth. Some kind of...I
don't know what
it is. It's just a
swelling. Is that
you? Hurry, get up
here. Is that a man or a
woman? I can't
tell. Huh? Hurry man get
up here. Get the man!
Sir! Get up
here. Is that under
your arm? Hurry. That must be Texas
area or something,
I don't know. [Crowd laughing] What is that?
What's wrong? - I hit myself
years back on
a gate and a growth
started
growing. - Where's it at
now? Where
did it go? - It's
gone. [Crowd shouting
and clapping] Come on somebody!
somebody!
Somebody! Genesis 26:18 tells us "Isaac dug again the
wells of Abraham." [ Narrator ] In every
generation, there have been revivals, massive moves of the Spirit that changed the course
of history. In every revival, there were believers like you who chose to answer the call to become the one in
their generation. Discover your call to be the one in your generation. We are about to take you face to face with history. ♪ [Music] ♪ Today we're going to keep
talking about revivals. We're going to talk
about what the Holy
Spirit does when He so moves in
a group of people. What happens...their lives
are forever changed. Pastor Billy Burke is
back with me today. Thank you sir for
being with us. - It's a privilege
to be here. - We continue talking
about revival. I want to get into
revivals...what that means. You touched on it in a Church
service I was in recently. We talked about, there was a man
that was confessing a sin, right there on the platform,
on nationwide TV. He said, "I've had this problem"
and you said "That's revival"! - I think to me
the simplest definition of revival is God
breaking up our
order for His
order. I think the church gets
into its own structure. I think we
strangle the flow. And I think it just
becomes what it is. A structured flow. I think that Jesus
came to rent the veil. I think He came to give the
Spirit without measure. I think the double
portion is history. The Spirit without measure
is greater. So everything the New Testament
reflects is no limits; no boundaries...where
ever the wind blows. The effects of the wind. He took the lid
off of everything. I think today a lot of
times we're so afraid of
the Holy Spirit. We're so afraid what
He may do in a meeting, or with people that we
have to accommodate. So we've accommodated
people and you know, I'm not against order. I'm not
saying order is bad but I'm saying there is
an order in the Spirit, and there's an order
in the natural. Sometimes they coincide,
sometimes they co-habitat, and sometimes
they don't. I think all that
God wants is His fair time to flow
within any meeting. I mean why would you
offer something; why would you share something but
never offer it? And so, but today to
accommodate growth and to get more
mass appeal, to be safer, to be
unoffensive, to not deal with
certain issues. I'm not saying there's
not a place for that. That just means somebody
else has to be raised up in another part of the
kingdom, to accommodate the needs of
the people, you know, that need something
different than just that structured approach. So Revival to me is
whenever the wind comes in ...of God, the fire
of God, the wind of God, the water of God and He
just begins to change the way things are
operating, whether that's in your
personal life. Think about it. We all
say, "Personal revival." For that to happen
there's got to be a structural change with
my time, with my energy, with my value system,
or else I'm not having
personal reformation. I'm not having
a personal revival. If my priorities
don't change, - Yes, nothing
happened. - Or if my values
don't change, there's nothing
that happened. So there's a breaking
up that fallow ground; that structure
that you have. If I don't change my
music, my friends, my ideals, my time, my
energy, my money you know, I mean all of
those things to me... Now it comes in so many
different forms. The phrase I've adopted
Gene, is "This too is revival". Healing services
--This too is revival. If you have a movement where--
the Word is educating people of revelation. This too is revival. So defining revival to me is a
merging of all streams. So all the
streams merging. - Explain that. What do you
mean merging of all streams? - I think there's so many
expressions out there today, different
persuasions or camps where people have
been called by God to emphasize a
certain truth. Sometimes it appears like
that's the truth that we need
and that's the truth. All of a sudden they've
all been used for different seasons, but
there seems to be something where they're all
meeting; they're all
converging on the scene. There's a mixing of this
particular emphasis with that emphasis. They all contain the
emphasis of worship. They all contain the
emphasis of faith. They all contain the
emphasis of evangelism. And as the end time
approaches, that end time evangelism takes
on such a significant role. And I think revival comes
for God to just grab our attention and say
"wait a minute. There's a whole
world out there" . 2/3 of the world
are in the hunger belt, dying of starvation. You have a massive
population shift in America of people
that are unchurched. They don't feel
comfortable in any church. You have the
electronic church. You have the
cyber church. I mean there's so many
things happening in 2016 that we never thought we'd
still be here to deal with. Most of us thought we'd be
raptured out of here by now. But here we are
occupying and understanding that even
we that came out of a particular
denomination or a movement, it's so easy
to settle and get right back into an
old wineskin. So what did they
do with old wineskins? They took that old wineskin that
was rigid and shaped and
soaked it in oil. As they marinated that
wineskin in oil, it became flexible again,
to once again be used for new wine. So I think today there's
just a re-surging of soaking and of realizing of I've
become what I've left. I left because I was
tired of that and we got ritualistic so we could
come over here and become ritualistic with
tongues; even with healing,
and alter calls. Pretty soon you realized
"Wow, I left that. I'm here in a different
type of form but still in a form". - So how do we--and I agree
with everything you're saying, how do we keep
from-- Let me give give you
an example. I grew up in, I'm a
little younger than you but not by much,
but the 60s. I remember the
charismatic renewal. The speaking in tongues. Wow, this whole
new thing. The baptism of
the Holy Spirit. Man this is cool and
before you know it we're going, "Well, let's don't
do that in church." Well let's kind
of keep that. You know--It didn't
happen really fast. But pretty soon now I
have people that are not that much younger than
me that really when you talk about the
baptism in the Holy Spirit, speaking in other
tongues, we have a whole generation that
doesn't even know what that is. Well that's just hard
for me to fathom at times because the
way I grew up. So now we're having
to go back like you said. We put that away and we
put it in the back room "ok, no, no, no. Let's pull that
back in here". You know Leonard
Ravenhill said--I think it's Leonard Ravenhill
said, "Every major move of God will discount the
next major move of God." - Because they want
to be the move. - So that kind of
pulls in jealousy? - Exactly!... So instead of bringing
everything fast forward bringing the old in
with the new and just building on it,
it was like that was then, this is now. It's so easy to think
that happened; that was...I've out
grown that. This is for children. - So what do we do? What
do we do as believers. Those that are watching
whether they're just pastors or they're just
housewives. Whatever they don't want
that to happen in their lives. - Well, number one you have
to really find a great leader. I think everything
goes back to
leadership. Leadership to me
is really the
epidemy of sheep need a shepherd. People are going to go
the wrong way by nature. So the responsibility
for a spiritual leader to be able to capture
the essence of The Old Testament bringing it
into the New Testament without practicing
the law. So we don't just cut out
the whole Old Testament because
we're under grace. We still have so many
things we can bring into it but with
careful leadership. So in the Old Testament
you reaped everything
that you sowed. In the New Testament you
have Grace. You don't have
to reap everything. But that requires
leadership. Or you can make the old, the new
and you contaminate everything. So I think leadership
to me has the ability to to decipher, to
discern and to bring fast forward and keep
in front of people. Like we use the baptism
in the Holy Spirit. That should never
go by the wayside. The book of Acts is
relevant even though maybe the church has decided no
longer to emphasize it. Where they'd get that
emphasis to begin with? In the scripture. The Scriptures
is relevant. There's is no
expiration date. So I mean it
doesn't spoil. It's always
always there. It's a necessity
to be empowered. So just because
churches don't decide to emphasize that, so if
I'm a leader and I am realizing that is relevant today,
tomorrow, until He comes. Then okay we have to make this a
necessary part somehow. So is the second coming. Why is people
hopeless today? Because they don't know
about the Blessed Hope. You know that's what the
second coming is about this is temporary. There is an eternity. Yet how many places can
you go on a Sunday, or in month, or in a year
and hear a message about He is coming. You don't have to get
into all the wrangle about when, and
before the trip. Just the reality that
this does wrap up. There is a lament. I
mentioned it last night: Just the Christ in the
middle of the candlesticks. Just little things--the
Holy Spirit can take a little thing and explode
that inside of people. He's the one that does
all the exploding and the revealing. He just needs a little
bit of stuff from us to help keep stuff in
front of people. The same way we got to
keep healing in front of people. Why? Because you need
to be healthy. Keep money in
front of people. Why? Because you need to be
prosperous. Keep your family
in front of you. Why? Because you have to keep your
family together. So the essentials of life--I
think you find those in the book of Job. Because there's seven places
that the devil attacked Job. I call it "The
Job syndrome." That gives you an
indication of where your focus for putting the
Scriptures really should be. Because that's the same--he
doesn't learn anything new. He went after
his children. He went after
his health. He went after
his marriage. He went after
his ministry. He went after his friends,
his supporting group. If you rip it all down
wow! That's where he's coming after
people today, in the oldest place, the oldest
strategy that there is. I think sometimes we
just get away from the simplicity of the
whole thing, Gene. The simplicity of the
whole thing and we turn church into--you go to
hear the newspaper. You go to hear jokes. You go to hear stories that
don't take you anywhere. You go to see stuff that
doesn't give you any hope for being any
different than what you are. You see when the word
of God is accurately taught, when it's
rightly divided, and it when it has free course, it has the answer within itself. - Say that again.
"When the word?" - When the Word of God is
taught, free course, the way it's supposed
to be taught. Once
that's taught, it doesn't return void. It means that inside of
that is the antidote, the very resource that
you can walk away. I rest in the word. If I can't rest in the word and
we're going to the other side, see then I'm missing the
whole point of all this. I think leadership is
really the answer from marrying and
keeping alive. But too many pastors
fall into that trap of what's the popular
songs? What's the popular message
of the moment? What's the...and
they don't realize. Well that might be true. You can go with some of that
but that doesn't mean you throw out speaking
in tongues or the baptism or the
second coming or the blood or healing. I just can't tell you
how many places I've been to that I've been
shocked that there's no call for healing, just
elders of the church. - Right. - Just elders of the church
do what James says do. But the church has
turned into so many different things today,
for different people and the word is the word. It's just in the beginning.
It's just there. But it's too simple
so we miss it. So we have come up with so
many different ideas on church growth and here's
what gets people and keeps people but try
mobilizing those people. We have a lot
of paper tigers. We have a lot of things
that look good on paper. Here's the numbers.
Here's the money. Here's the programs. Where's the evangelism? Where are the miracles? Where is the change
and people just not leaving one church to go to
another church? Where are the conversions? See that all comes about
because this Word will put fire in you. This word will put
passion in you. This word will put
inside of you vision. And that's been my
experience and today I don't get to hear
a lot of people. I'm so busy with
what I'm doing. I'm very selective about
my spiritual diet so but I surf on the Internet. I tune to see what
they're saying. And you know today's
menu is vastly different than what I grew up on. - Right. Oh yes! - The menu out there
today is scary. What people are passing
off as Word, or what's being passed
off as truth. We're raising up
people that that aren't getting the
absolute truth. They're being
raised on music. They're being raised
on other forms. What does the Bible say?
"There's a form of godliness but you
deny the power". - Do you think?--You talked
about leadership. There's two
sides of that. One, obviously if you're a
leader you need to be doing and following and
not forsaking the Word. But the second side to
that as a follower, be careful who
you listen to. - Let's go back to the
first point you just said. A leader: my first
obligation as a leader is to die. - Explain what that
really means. - That means as a
leader you lose your life. You don't lose your
physical life hopefully not until that
time but I mean you... You fight the
good fight of faith. You deal with your flesh, You deal with those appetites... You pay the price. You drink the cup. Martha said to Jesus "Can my son
sit at your right hand?" And the first question Jesus
says, "Has he drunk the cup? Has he drunk my cup? If you don't drink my
cup, you don't sit anywhere." He was very very. So this price is not just
about going to Bible school. It's not just about will I
move my family across the
state of Texas. People who sell
insurance do that. People in all walks
of life move. So a lot of things we think
are paying the price, isn't
paying the price. Paying the price is that
will of yours that wants to do it your way, that
will of yours that wants your flesh to be
appeased--all of those things. Normally the Holy Spirit
can reveal to each of us what that is for us. I mean that is a
real part of this. I think a leader that
comes into the pulpit that is strong,
confident but selfless as much as possible;
where he sees not some of you and more of Him, but
none of you and all of Him. I decrease. This is what the Bible
says "I decrease. He increases". There's a secret for
the increasing of the
anointing right there. It's not more knowledge. It's not more services. Less of
you, more of Him, more
anointing. Simple now it
sounds simple but. - What is in your
years of ministry, what is the most valuable
thing you've learned? - Oh Jesus. That He uses me. I
don't use Him. - Explain more,
what do you mean? - Here again this goes
back to Kathryn days. She taught us
right or wrong. To me it has helped me,
the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I have nothing but Him. The gifts of the Spirit
then I don't own that gift. Therefore He uses
me, I don't use Him. And I think today you
have a lot of "I have this and I have
that, I have this. I have this anointing. I have that anointing". I think if that were
all true, then all those prophecies
would come to
pass. All those people
would be healed. A lot of things would
happen that don't happen. And yet they say, "I
have that anointing." I think what I've
learned is that I have Him. I stir up Him. And I rest in that. It's kept me
from performance. It's kept me dependent. It's kept me...trying
to live a clean life. It's kept me I really
got to stay close to the Healer because
I need Him. See the more you have something,
the less you need anything. And that's where the casualties
line up with leaders. If you check the history of
all the casualties of leaders, it' s because they
took themselves too serious. You know "I have
this, I have that." So when people say, "Oh you
have the gift of healing?" No I don't. If I did I would not
be here in church, I'd be in hospitals. I'd be going down the
hallway just using my gift. I can't do that, can I? - Right? - So nobody can do that. It throws people because... So the answer has
to lie somewhere because If you have a gift,
if you own that gift... If you own that gift like
playing the piano is a talent. You can call it
a gift, whatever. But that's something
you can just do. That's natural. Natural talent
natural gift. Gifts of the Spirit
are different. Those are the gifts of the
Spirit. That's a
little phrase that makes all the difference
in the world. The gifts of the Spirit. "He severs accordingly as He
wills to one this, to one that." Covet the best
but then I choose. And then the frequency of
that depends upon how you handle that
particular episode. How you handle that
which he's allowing to prophesy through you
or heal through you or bless through you. God gives you some favor.
How do you handle that? He gives you some money,
how do you handle that? He gives you some anointing, how
do you handle that? God's all about can you
handle what I give you. Now just because you
can't handle, you have
to wait 10 years. You die a little bit;
less of you, more of Him. You can handle
it better. So that's why a lot of
people can be used when they're younger and some
not until they're older. So that's a lot of what
I've learned the hard way because when you're young you
know you think "Oh God, I've got the
passion. I've got this" and you
base everything on passion and feeling and I've got
enough knowledge. I'm going to shake the
world and you realize there's more of you
present than anything. And you realize that if
I go to the altar, "I give myself to You
and I die tonight to myself..." It don't
work like that. It doesn't work like that. God
says thank you for the.. - For the nod...[Laughs] - I appreciate your honest
desire but He said "You're a little bit more
full of yourself than you
think." So it's overtime and
over life, the wind works on you.
The water works on you. The fire works on you
and He works on you. He uses all of that. And if you
stay faithful. If you can hang in there and
stay on the potters wheel, how many times He spins
you around? Puts some more water
on you... That whole process is different.
It took Moses how long? 80 years? 40 years? 80 years to
do 40 years worth of work. It took Paul only 3. And so Paul was in the
Arabian desert for 3 years and he
was able to go. Moses took longer. So Moses was called the
meekest man in all the earth. So if he was the meekest
man, what does that tell you? Well meekness is
strength under control. So if was the meekest
he had to be one of the most angriest, obstinate,
strong-willed individual
that ever lived. So it took God longer
to shape him. He had to work
longer with the will. So that's all us, that's
why we can't quit. That's why you got to get
so disgusted sometimes
with yourself that you begin to
say, you know... and self way more an enemy than
the devil ever could be. The devil is a
defeated foe. Your flesh is an
ever present foe. There if you can distinguish
those two, you know and stay in that
word, stay filled... As I was sharing
the other night
you can be filled with the Word and
be filled with the
Spirit. They're not the
same as I can see. Your hips are what? - My hips are being
put back in
place. - Your hips are
being put
back in
place? What do you
mean? Bring him up
here. I don't know what
he's talking
about. Who said
that? Who are
you? - The mother - Why are you back
there? What's the
matter here
young man? - My hip and back.
had been out
of place... for a long
time. They are being
put back in
place right now. - Nobody has
touched him. Wait a minute:
somebody somebody
has touched him. [Crowd cheering] Do they feel
different? - Yes. - What couldn't
you do before? - When I'd run, it
would feel like
my feet were
breaking. - Okay, you want
to try and run? Go ahead, run
across the
stage. [Audience cheering
and clapping] Somebody better
give Him a
shout! Come on! Come on!
Come on! Come
on!... Mama, I see
you crying. Stand up on the
chair mama, stand
up on the chair. Somebody help her
so she won't
fall. Stand up on
the chair. Put your
hands up. Thank you
Jesus. I'm talking to her,
not you. Thank you
Jesus. Ma'am, "Thank
you Jesus... For what you did
for my boy. I will never
forget it." It's a
testimony. To him, to you,
to our family
that the
blessing is on our
family, the
whole family. Somebody
give God a
shout. Comne on,
give Him
praise! I touched you
back there sir,
right? How many touches
do you think you
can get? - All I can
get. - Yea, that's
about 3 you've
got today. 3! - Well my Parkinson's
has stayed with me
so far? - Your
who? - The
Parkinson's. - Oh your
Parkinson's. You're
fighting
Parkinson's. Do you have
the tremors? - Yes. - Ma'am, I'm
coming over
there. I'm
coming back. The tremors
are where? - The right
hand? - Is that all?
Just the right
hand? Not that
hand? - Occasionally. But this hand
all the time. - Well, it's
not going to
do it anymore. Hold my hand. Be loosed. Be loosed. Oh my God the
power's all
over him. Let him
go. The power's
on him. When they're
trying to fall,
leave them fall. Put your hands
flat on the floor;
flat on the floor. Here we go.
Right here. Every tremor is
leaving, sir.
Every tremor. Look at this. There
is nothing in his
hands, nothing. I can't even
see it. Who was up here
and saw his
right hand? Was you here? There's nothing
going on there. Stay right there,
don't move. That tremor is
completely gone. ♪ [Music] ♪
