>> Ken Ham: We're seeing people
being indoctrinated to believe that creationists can't be scientists. There's experimental or observational
sciences, as we call it, that's using the scientific method, observation,
measurement, experiment, testing. All scientists, whether creationists or evolutionists, actually have the same
observational or experimental science. >> Bill Nye: Now, Mr. Ham and
his followers have this remarkable view of a worldwide flood that somehow influenced
everything that we observe in nature. A 500 foot wooden boat, 8 zoo keepers for
14,000 individual animals, every land plant in the world
under water for a full year. I ask us all, is that really reasonable? You will hear a lot about
the Grand Canyon I imagine also, which is a remarkable place,
and it has fossils. And the fossils in the Grand Canyon
are found in layers. There's not a single place in
the Grand Canyon where the fossils of one type of animal cross over
into the fossils of another. In other words,
when there was a big flood on the earth, you would expect drowning animals
to swim up to a higher level. Not any one of them did. >> Ken Ham: If Bill Nye and
I went to the Grand Canyon, we could agree that that's
a Coconino Sandstone in the Hermit Shale. There's the boundary. They're sitting one on top of the other. We could agree on that, but we would
disagree on how long it took to get there. None of us saw the sandstone or
the shale being laid down. There's a supposed ten
million year gap there, but I don't see a gap, but that might be
different to what Bill Nye would see. But see, there's a difference between
what you actually observe directly and then your interpretation
in regard to the past. We're talking about the past
when we weren't there. We didn't see those tree
rings actually forming. We didn't see those
layers being laid down. It's like the dating methods. You're assuming things in regard to
the past that aren't necessarily true. >> Bill Nye: The fundamental
thing we disagree on, Mr. Ham, is this nature of what
you can prove to yourself. When people make assumptions, they're making assumptions
based on previous experience. They're not coming out of whole cloth. I encourage you to explain to us why we should accept your word for it,
that natural law changed just 4,000 years ago completely,
and there's no record of it. >> Ken Ham: Natural law hasn't changed. As I talked about,
I said we have the rules of logic, the uniformity of nature and that only
it makes sense within the biblical world view anyway of a creative
God who set up those laws. And that's why can do good
experimental science, because we assume those laws are true and
that will be true tomorrow. We build models based upon the bible and
those models are always subject to change. The fact of Noah's flood is not subject
to change, the model of how the flood occurred is subject to change because
we observe in the current world and we're able to come up with maybe
different ways this could of happened or that could have happened. And that's part of that
scientific discovery. You cannot ever prove using
the scientific method in the present. You can't prove the age of the earth. So you can never prove it's old. So there is no hypothetical. [LAUGH]
>> Bill Nye: What we want in science, science as practiced on the outside,
is an ability to predict. We wanna have a natural law that is so
obvious and clear, so well understood, that we can
make predictions about what will happen. And the big thing I want from you, Mr Ham, is can you come up with
something that you can predict? Do you have a creation model that predicts
something that will happen in nature?
I can't stand Bill Nye. He is a fundamentalist "scientist." He's basically the JW version of academic consensus which is frequently wrong and always changing. Sometimes you have to admit the possibilities of things that seem improbable. I don't disagree that the official flood story sounds far fetched, but the Bible is not the only book that talks about a global flood. There is evidence that, in prehistory, a comet hit Canada and caused a global catastrophe killing most larger animals... we have evidence of an ice age that ended about 10k years ago... and now everyone is talking about how by the year 2000... no 2012... no 2020... no 2040 we will all be under water!!!! Why is the idea that a tiny group of surviving humans used boats or rafts to save themselves and their animals unfathomable? And if it did happen those stories would last and be passed on to generations.
Hahahahaha
At the end of that video the GB has the model allllll figured out ha. I do like this Ken Ham guy from an agnostic point of view.