BEN SHAPIRO. HE'S ALSO AUTHOR OF THE NEW BOOK, "THE AUTHORITARIAN MOMENT." THE PRESIDENT IS SET TO HELP HIS STRATEGY GETS MORE SHOTS IN THE ARMS OF AMERICANS AS THE DELTA VARIANT SPREADS AND CASES ARE ON THE RISE. THE DAY THAT LED TO ITS RECENT REVERSAL UNMASKS. ALL THIS AS CRITICS SAY DEMOCRATS HAVE ONLY THEMSELVES TO BLAME FOR A VACCINE HESITANCY. BECAUSE OF COMMENTS LIKE THIS. >> WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE SCIENCE. YOU KNOW WHAT CHANGED, CHRIS? THE VIRUS CHANGED, AND THE SCIENCE EVOLVED WITH THE CHANGING VIRUS. >> IF YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, YOU NOT AS SMART AS I THOUGHT YOU WERE. >> IT'S LIKE DRUNK DRIVERS. YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO JUMP DRIVE AND GO OUT AND PUT YOUR LIFE AT RISK AND THOSE OF EVERYONE ELSE AT RISK. >> Emily: BEN SHAPIRO, WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> Ben: I MEAN, THE AMOUNT OF BAD DATA THAT IS PURVEYED BY OUR PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS IS ASTONISHING. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE UNDERMINED CONFIDENCE IN THEIR INSTITUTION COME IF THESE PEOPLE THEMSELVES. ROCHELLE VALENCIA GOING ON YESTERDAY AND SAYING THAT ONE OUT OF 10 PEOPLE IS GOING TO GET A BREAKTHROUGH CASE. THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS MORE LIKE ONE IN IN EVERY 1,000 IT'S PEOPLE LIKE DR. FATTY SUGGESTING THE CDC DOES NOT FLIP-FLOP ON MASKING, AND THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A HARD DATA TO BACK HIS SUPPOSITION THAT HIGHER VIRAL LOAD AMONG THE VACCINATED IS GOING TO LEAD TO HIGHER LEVELS OF VIRAL TRANSMISSION. THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THINKING THEY CAN CONTROL US AND NOT GIVE US THE DATA. IF YOU WANT TO, AT LEAST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON POLICY, YOU CAN'T LIVE OUT THE DATA WILL PROVIDE NO DATA AND EXPECT US TO FOLLOW YOUR ALL-KNOWING GUIDANCE. >> Emily: KENNEDY, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING TOMORROW WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO THAT DATA BEING RELEASED, BUT HOW WILL THAT IMPACT AMERICANS CONTINUING CONFUSION, TO BEN'S POINT, AND WILL THAT REASSURE ANYONE, FRANKLY? >> Kennedy: IF THE CDC AND DR. FAUCI AND EVERYONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE IS TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO WEAR MASKS AND THAT THERE IS IMMINENT DANGER FROM THE VARIANTS, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GET VACCINATED. THERE'S NOTHING THEY ARE GOING TO SAY, WHICH EITHER CLARIFIES OR CONVINCES. THAT'S THE ULTIMATE PROBLEM HERE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. ARE THEY TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE OR GET PEOPLE VACCINATED? BECAUSE AT THIS POINT NEITHER ONE IS WORKING AND ALL THEY HAVE DONE WITH THE BACK AND THE CONFUSION IS CREATE MASSIVE DISTRUST. IT IS REALLY HARD TO GET A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE VIRUS. EVEN THOUGH THE VIRUS IS CHANGING, THAT IS WHAT VIRUSES DO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GETTING MORE DEADLY. THEY HAVE TO BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. >> Emily: AND MORGAN, BEN BROUGHT UP A POWER GRAB, ESSENTIALLY, BY THE DEMOCRATS. LET'S PLAY A SHORT VIDEO OF WHAT SENATOR TED CRUZ HAD TO SAY ABOUT THAT. WATCH. >> IT'S PURE POLITICS. YOU KNOW IT? YESTERDAY VACCINES WORK. TODAY THEY STILL WORK, BUT AS A POLITICAL MATTER, THE DEMOCRATS DECIDED THEY WANT TO CONTROL YOUR LIVES. MY VIEW IS SIMPLE. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MANDATES ON COVID. >> Emily: MORGAN? >> Morgan: I AGREE WITH THAT. "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" AND THEIR EDITORIAL LID THAT PERFECTLY THIS MORNING. OBVIOUSLY AGAINST FEDERAL MANDATES, BUT TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT PRIVATE EMPLOYERS DO HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND DEMAND CERTAIN THINGS OF THEIR WORKFORCE. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY NUANCED, BUT WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS WE TOOK ALL OF LAST YEAR TO POLITICIZE COVID. WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS SOMEBODY IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, I VOLUNTEERED OVER THE SUMMER WORKING ON OPERATION WARP SPEED AND ON THE COVERT EFFORT. EVERY PERSON I KNOW RECEIVED THE VACCINE, AS PART OF OPERATION WARP SPEED. PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS TEAM MADE HEROIC EFFORTS TO GET THIS VACCINE OUT. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE DEMOCRATS USED MOST OF 2022 POLITICIZE COVID, TO POLITICIZE THE VACCINE IN ORDER TO SOW SEEDS OF DISTRESS. NOW IN 2021 PEOPLE ARE NOT BELIEVING EACH SIDE, PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SPENDING MORE TIME GOING ON AND TALKING ABOUT VOTING RIGHTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE LEGISLATION AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? PRESIDENT TRUMP DID SOMETHING RIGHT WITH OPERATION WARP SPEED. LET'S COME TOGETHER AND TAKE THIS VACCINE AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO END THIS PANDEMIC. INSTEAD THEY CONTINUE TO TALK DOWN TO PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE VACCINE AND CONTINUE TO POLITICIZE THE PROCESS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> Emily: RIGHT. JULIE, MORGAN MENTIONED TALKING DOWN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE HAD SPEAKER PELOSI TALKING DOWN TO HER COLLEAGUE, KEVIN MCCARTHY, WHEN SHE SAID HE WAS SUCH A FOR QUESTIONING THE SCIENCE BEHIND RETURNING TO THE MASK RESTRICTIONS ON CAPITOL HILL. THE REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN RELEASED AND YOU CAN BE ONLY ARRESTED BY CAPITOL POLICE IF YOU FAIL TO COMPLY, NOT IF YOU JUST DON'T WEAR A MASK IN THE FIRST PLACE. DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO AT ALL? >> Julie: I'M SO SICK OF HEARING DEMOCRATS TALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THEIR MOUTHS. AS FAR AS NANCY PELOSI IS CONCERNED, DON'T PREACH FOLLOW THE SCIENCE IF YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU PREACH. IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE SCIENCE, FOLLOW THE FACTS. 150 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VACCINATED, THERE HAVE BEEN ONLY 65,000 BREAKTHROUGH CASES, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED THAT GOT THE DELTA VARIANT OR THE ORIGINAL COVID-19. THAT MEANS ONLY 0.04% OF AMERICANS ARE ACTUALLY GETTING IT. NO VACCINE IS 100%, THAT IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW THE SCIENCE, VACCINES WORK. IF YOU'VE BEEN VACCINATED YOU SHOULDN'T BE PUT UNDER THESE MASK MANDATES. AS THEY SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IF YOU HAVE A VACCINE YOU DON'T NEED TO WEAR A MASK. THEY'RE DOING A 180 AND MAKING ZERO SENSE WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING THESE MANDATES NECESSARY FOR THOSE OF US WHO WENT AHEAD AND GOT THE SECOND SHOT. >> Kennedy: EMILY, IF I COULD POINT AT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, THEY NEED BETTER MARKETING HERE. JULIE IS RIGHT, THEY NEED TO BE SKIMMING FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY GIVE THE FORMER PRESIDENT CREDIT, THEY NEED TO SAY THE VACCINES WORK, BUT VACCINES ARE SAFE, THEY ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD, AND ONE STUDY CAME OUT RECENTLY THAT SAID THE PFIZER VACCINE HAS BEEN INCREASING WOMEN'S CUP SIZES. IT'S A PHENOMENAL PIECE OF MARKETING THAT I THINK ALL AMERICANS COULD GET BEHIND. >> Julie: I'M SO GLAD I DIDN'T GET PFIZER, I DON'T NEED ANYMORE HELP. [LAUGHTER] >> Emily: IMAGINE THAT ON THE FRONT PAGES! BEN, I COME TO YOU FOR A BIT OF PREDICTION. TO KENNEDY'S POINT, DO YOU SEE ANY TYPE OF CHANGE IN THE MARKETING MOVING FORWARD? ANY TYPE OF COGNIZANT SHIFT BY THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AS WE ENTER INTO 2022, ACKNOWLEDGING THE HIDEOUS IMPACT THEIR MESSAGING HAS A PAT ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND LIKELY THE PERMANENT DAMAGE IT'S DONE ON THEIR ALREADY FRACTURED PARTY? D.C. THEM ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AT ALL AND MAKING CORRECTIONS >> Ben: NOT AT ALL. FOR THEM TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY'VE BOTCHED THE PUBLIC HEALTH MESSAGE WOULD BE TO TAKE THE BLAME FOR WHAT THEY PERCEIVED TO BE REPUBLICAN FAILURES AND WHAT THEY WANT TO PORTRAY AS REPUBLICAN FAILURE. IF YOU WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE GETTING VACCINE, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING DISEASE. THAT RESPONSIBILITY LIES IN GOING AND GETTING THE VACCINE. THEY WON'T DO THIS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LOGICAL END POINT. IT ALL STARTED WITH FLATTENING THE CURVE. WE AVOIDED IT. SO WAIT UNTIL VACCINE IS AVAILABLE, THEN WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO GET THE
