Ben Shapiro Highlights @ Religious Freedom Debate KTTH

that the question in hobby lobby's whose freedom is being infringed upon employees freedom is not infringed upon when they enter into a consensual relationship with an employer that includes certain types of hell that consensual of course it is they can quit who is forcing them where is the gun where is the gun who is forcing them where is the chain who is locking them not the gun language how do they know because they know this is it the reason that I use the gun language is because it is vitally important for people to understand that every government measure at the end of the day has it must be compelled by force that's what government measures are for there is a vast difference a huge difference in terms of personal liberty and freedom between the government compelling behavior and a company saying that we are not going to provide certain types of coverage and if you don't like that you can quit or buy your own coverage there's a vast difference guns the whole issue Oh health insurance health insurance is an earned benefit it's not given for free to employees they earn it should your employer be able to decide how you spend your money its hold on earn or once I can earn for earned from home okay I may think that I earn twice the salary that I get from this radio station that doesn't mean that I have an earned benefit from the radio station for twice what they're willing to pay me it's always a consensual relationship for your healthcare I well first of all I I do because it was to negotiate in the contract that I signed and which in which I voluntarily engaged and if I don't like that I can quit tomorrow do I then have the right to extend my free exercise of religion to my small individually totally owned family business let me ask you a question as an employee with an earned benefit which is health insurance that happens to get routed through my employer because that's how we structure it in this country do I have a right to use my health insurance to decide to the best of my own spiritual and religious values when and whether to bring a child into this well sure you have a right to get any insurance you want all that Hobby Lobby is insisting is that they not be forced to pay for insurance they do not choose to pay for there's nothing preventing someone from getting health insurance that covers abortions or a board of fashion's or anything else in and this is sort of the point I think is that when you look at the board in position is being thrown around a lot you know can in position that you that people are imposing their beliefs on others there's only one group in this country that is using the government to impose their beliefs on others at the point of a gun and that is not Hobby Lobby Hobby Lobby is involved in a consensual relationship between the employer and employee churches are involved in consensual relationships between themselves and their constituents the government is not involved in a consensual relationship when it tells a business that it will revoke its license and it will come to their it will come to their front door if they remain open and it will forcibly shut down their business there's only one person and one grew that is coming to the coming to the party here with a gun and the only put the only group I mean you said we're conservatives love guns liberals love guns far more they just love guns that are being used by the government against conservatives well um because it's an event about religion somebody's going to have to preach the apocalypse so um so here we go yes my feeling is that religious liberty is under a definite and growing assault in the United States and when I say religious liberties under salt I don't mean just in terms of people disagreeing that's not a violation of Liberty that's that's the exercise of Liberty I'm talking about the intervention of government and the use of government as a weapon against people's religious not only beliefs but against people's religious activities and we're seeing that in terms of discrimination against businesses that don't wish to serve as particular events that they feel are sinful we're seeing it with regard to a newfound moral superiority in government that suggests that it can trump the the religious beliefs and precepts of an enormous number of people honestly I'm the Hobby Lobby decision is going to come down on Montana I'm sure we'll talk about this in a little bit but I am befuddled and bewildered and dismayed that we have now become a country where we're all supposed to sit around on Monday and wait for the nine wisest and most moral among us to descend in their robes and inform us to what extent were allowed to worship God in our business lives this is what the threat I believe is and I think that the threat is quite deep I think what we're going to watch in the next two years to make another apocalyptic prediction I think what we're going to watch in the next two years is states like Washington try to withdraw the nonprofit status of various churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages once those nonprofit status under under the guise of the Bob Jones University decision from the 1980s and then they will attempt to remove any business license from churches that refuse to perform same-sex marriages and this will be a tremendous crackdown on religious freedom in America this is this is what the battle has become not a battle about whether two dudes or two ladies can get married but a battle about whether your religious institution can function as it sees fit in the public square just goes Mike laughing it goes back to who gets to discriminate and where would it stop what if it was a Jewish wedding I'm not out there with and the floor said I don't want to participate in that kind of religiousness I wouldn't mind another florist happily yeah okay but once we set that kind of precedence where will it end and I think you know in the with them going out of business because everybody will find another florist that's where I'll end with that that's all cute that's all cute it's not cute that's real no no why not it's the lunch counter protests against the lunch counter protests that are so famous in civil rights movement occurred as a voluntary boycott in their Lu 60s long before the civil rights movement and it integrated they integrated the business because of that capitalism is discriminates against no color no Creed and no sexuality they want the cash integration was done by force ha ha and for against state government die White's do not want do you live you live a very comfortable life all right you know let's talk about what happened for people trying to get served again so let's let's let's see make sure we're here yet state of sacramentally segregate went one second then let's make sure we're hearing each other what was it that been you concluded with it was it was what it was Woolworths that was talking about bottling which state it was state governments yeah what was saying there is that state governments were the source of segregation in the first place government with people who think that Jim Crow was a voluntary system in which people just decided that we want to segregate their businesses are incorrect there were Jim Crow laws on the books the law in the state of Alabama is that you needed a seven foot high wall in your restaurant ok this idea that the government always has clean hands and that it's individuals who are the problem and that capitalism in the absence of government compulsion is not the solution to discrimination it must have missed the last 50 odd years of history in this country let's have the Reverend you have something I mean I do what you think you know know the enormous inequality in our economic system is in part because of your divine term freedom and to think that and okay hey bear with me do you think that freedom is always the answer it's always the answer isn't it hold up I was I would like Jim three folks I think the government compulsion is always the answer read history the year you you turn okay then I this this is great I should use your trip because government is always the problem it's always a problem pretty much frankly friend Jefferson created the possibility of Constitution that allow for your religious liberties that is not the problem my religious liberties and the founders believe prosecutors by the government created half for the sake of your freedom it was your free to my freedom but doesn't come to heal my parent ease it and if we don't have policemen firemen it would be chaos of course that's true but the minute that the government infringes on my freedom it becomes irrelevant and it becomes unconstitutional and this is Jefferson didn't just Institute of government he rebelled against one and I I for one think America is a fantastic country and and you know as a liberal right you that's what you say about me and you're like most liberals are self-hating Americans right I love America and I teach American religion and I will stand up for what we have what we have built but you'll shatter my business as my great ok together great culture with great religious liberty but you will shut down my business if I don't serve a K to a gay wedding front of you but you'll shut down my business if I don't serve a cake to a gay wedding I can assure you we'll be getting to shutting down be an example result well example I'll give you an example of that example that exact example just a second yeah we will have those some examples coming up but follow up doctor Wellman you just said he'd been shouldn't complain because we're not Egypt or Saudi Arabia would it be a doggone right wouldn't it be a good idea to in the preservation of Liberty to have a heated debate about the nature of those rights because the same argument could be made for any given homosexual couple or any given far left couple or many other or any non-muslim faith in the United States that they don't live in Egypt or Saudi Arabia either so therefore they shouldn't complain well you know right he had its best government is what Abraham Lincoln said it which was it was which is the way we come together to do things that we that we can't very well do it alone I mean we're in the you know we struggle with that in this country and most of us feel like our government has an unacceptable level of corruption most of us feel like there are things are that that our elected representatives do that are not frankly nauseating but the reality is that is what we're after and so like when we talk about imposing kind of some kind of compulsion that that allows us to create civil society like it's us during yeah I mean I think Michael would agree with me on this government is sometimes the problem well it's not let's be honest here arguing for this unity of the majority that I mean that's what it is I mean if the essence is that anything the government does is legitimate because we voted for that government than anything the government does is legitimate including encroaching on the rights of minorities across the board this I'm sure the Michael and Michael you want public school right yeah yeah so did I for a fertile elementary school and I think I was in the Christmas pageant I believe I was in elf and and somehow I didn't magically turn into a Christian and my guess is that both you and I could probably sing a beautiful two-part harmony all of silent night probably based on what we learned in public school the the idea that this is some sort of grand or grand Inquisition and that would and that the the acting out of the mere saying of the word Christmas in a public school is somehow an establishment of religion it's the exclusion of all other religions you before you warn that perhaps I should take things a little more lightly on this one I do take it pretty lightly good so the the idea that the idea is proud of your man the idea that religion is being imposed on me by a public school when there is a Christmas pageant I can opt in or out of is uh uh if this is as bad as it gets then I'm willing to live with that yeah I what I were grew

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Published: Sun Dec 04 2016