Beginners Machinist Tool Box pt2 Tips #443 tubalcain

howdy this a tubal-cain your YouTube shop teacher and this is part two of the beginners machinist toolbox now in the part one I talked all about the different kinds of boxes and probably told you a little more than you wanted to know but in this episode I'm going to tell you what you need to put into the box initially and what is affordable and then possibly later what you would buy over a period of time as you accumulate tools and you have enough money to buy more tools I would tell you also to look at Tom Lipton's a box tool he did made a nice video on what to put in the box so in a way this is a repeat of that but this is my own slant on and I'm gonna take you back to when I started working as a machinist while I was in graduate school and I had to pay my own tuition at that time after Dad died and that's how I was able to do it by working in a shop so hope you liked the video I'm going to start off by showing you some wooden tool boxes which I didn't cover in the previous video before I get on with a video let me stop just a minute here and talk about wooden tool boxes that I did not touch on that really in the first video but here at the Harbor Freight site and I'm sitting at my computer now is a tool chest for a really a rather amazing price of $75 and I have seen them in the stores and they actually are pretty nice I'll have to admit and that's what it looks like from the front even has the mirror up there like the Gerstner chest now let's take a look at the genuine Gerstner Here I am at Gerstner & Sons fine wood chests and cases and the web address of Gerstner usa.com but on this site they have their toolboxes and the prices I guess you can order direct from them and I'm really surprised here that you can also order cigar boxes and gun cases and other things but here's the typical one that a machinist would use the $800 I guess it's one two three six or seven drawers it's about 21 inches wide and you can get that in several different grades of wood and there's the journeyman's just for $1,900 and the Pro Series for $2,400 so you know take your pick they are very beautiful chests all felt lined so take a look at that website show you how the drawers are made their drawer for the machinist book is more in the verdict vertical position rather than horizontal like Kennedy so that's what the wooden toolboxes looked like all right on with the show this is the empty Kennedy box and I always liked the word Kennedy on there in script I remember that from when I was a young man but let me talk just a minute here this is a good old book here by stearic this is the 1955 edition but I think that they had this for many many years but it was kind of a primer for apprentices and beginner machinists and they supplied these two schools starid had wonderful things that for schools charts all kinds of giveaways movies but in this older stearic book and I don't know if they still do this and this was about a 1955 book but they had several pages here where they showed tool sets that were aimed at the beginner so they call them students and apprentices tool sets and in the set number 900 and I don't know what they charge for it but there's a six inch square and a punch and all kinds of calipers and a center gauge and on the other page in a wooden box about the same merchandise and here's yet a third set you know a folding poet so notice there was a lot of calipers in those days now I do not know if the latest catalogue show this anymore I doubt it very much you do not Machinery handbook to start with if you get one cheap or free yes but what you really need is of these type of guides here that just has really all the common information there's just so much information that you'll never use in the thick one here's another nice one these were all giveaways I'm not sure you can get those anymore and the same thing with charts stared and all the big companies gave these nice charts out and those could be kept in the toolbox some some were plasticized so they didn't get dirty when I worked at Osborne engineering in Bloomington Illinois and I was hired there and initially just worked production under ablaze and drill presses and they made fishing motors under the name of electro pal and they made him for series Awards ten days and all those just different colors and different decals they were all the same but I did that production for about six months and this was during the time of the Vietnam War and so one of the Machinists was sent up front to the engineering department to work on drawings and so they needed somebody and they saw I think by that time that I could I knew a little bit about tools so I they called me a tool maker but I think that was kind of a a stretch on the imagination but I wasn't required to bring a toolbox but I did because I had that tool chest of dad gave me that's not this one I showed it in the earlier one but it's identical to this so I brought that and I must have brought some other tools that were my dad's but you know I had no money at all at that time it's not like now where you take out a loan and when you go to college and you live in splendor you know I lived in a basement and in abject poverty and liked it but anyway when I started there are the Monday after I went out to Sears there at the mall that malls were a new thing I bought this six-inch craftsman combination square in the still perfect condition little scriber and everything so that was a nice square I brought along this one-inch stearic Mike that my dad had given to me when I was in high school it was used and it was frozen up there and I were you know for months and months and finally got a soak then and I still use it and then I will over the weekend when I went home and went to her key Hardware downtown lacell and I bought the square head there's the original box and they had to order the blade didn't even have that in stock so that was about 15 dollars for the tool which was darn near what I earned in a week there well I also brought along one of these throwaway advertising type rulers and you know those are really quite satisfactory and I had some charts and things like that but they were you they supply it a lot of tools you know in a shop like that but we used height gauges and vernier calipers and there were also vernier scales on the index milling machines well you know they're hard to read and now it's that old crazy 25 graduation even though old legalise has trouble seeing that so I bought this at Sears also it's a little and it still got it the exact same one and we would just put them on to the calipers or whatever we were using and it really helped alright I've told you a little bit too much about that but those are really the tools that I started with and I probably threw a couple wrenches and hammers or something that we're still in the basement from my dad let's talk about six-inch rules or scaled I think I generally call them rules but make sure that you get satin chrome that's the older style like this they they get corroded and turner's and hard to read so I'm gonna have to tell you that even a giveaway ruler is probably as accurate as what the average guy can work and these are just mass-produced but the starett rulers and Broner chart our machine graduated so they are better so get yourself a six inch that is stiff like this and some flexible ones and there's a metric one that's starett also and possibly a narrow one and those can all go right here in the top drawer that's where I use to keep up here's a hook rule that is also a drill grinding gauge and that's adjustable or you can take it off if it's in the way that's the double hook so have the hook all the way on one side like that one so I'll put them all in there or even though I don't need them all on it's nice to have one of these in your pocket with a pocket clip so they don't fall out when you when you bend over I got all kinds of those I probably got 50 rulers so you don't need that many but it's you're going to lose some of them also because they're so small you'll end up leaving them on machines than that but it's important we're doing a lot of measuring there's a machinist you need squares all kinds of them but start out with a 12-inch precision square and you know I like starett I like brown and sharp I like MIT tutorial but here's a brand I only paid a buck for this at a garage sale products engineering and they are superb tools and you're going to be able to buy them at a reasonable price so check those out in your catalog and I like the scale order theirs eighth and sixteenth on one side and 30 seconds and sixty fourths on the backside and of course you're gonna have a bubble level what you will never use in 50 years and always a little scriber which can get lost if you're not careful do not buy unless you got a cheap this is a real old Brown sharps where you know I probably got it for free it no no scrubber no bubble but it's 18 inches and this end is broken and someone tried this must have come from a school because that's gone through a shear and somebody tried to share that didn't they probably got one a heck of a nick in the blade but it's nice to have an extra long square like this but see how tarnished it is if it's not satin chrome now this one will fit in a Kennedy box do not get the 24 inch or it will not fit so I'll put that in the top sooner or later you'll need a protractor so watch for one of those it's a steroid I believe yes and possibly a center head like this that'll fit on this but that's something you don't use real often so I would say to make that optional and I'll put this in the also in the top or these will also fit in a drawer like this pretty well this is called a double square I also have one of these in a four inch size around here that was my dad so these are real handy and I absolutely a love these little accommodation squares us by Laughlin and I have one also with a six inch blade you don't have to have that but here's a steric with the center head and this type of square is a mighty handy thing to have and that's fixed and you may get it with or without the graduations and this is a precision tool makers type square you can also get these that I've got one of the other chests over there that is adjustable for angle let's call it die makers you don't have to have that but if you run across one buy it it would be awful nice if you bought an entire chest filled with tools from someone that's retiring even if it was a thousand dollars or some what you think of as an outrageous price it might be a good buy a protractor like this is real nice this is a steroid but you can get and it's pretty well tarnished but you can get these in a brand called general and that's pretty good tool for something like this so don't turn up your nose at the general brand tools depth gauges are handy here's one with a hook rule here's one with a little bit shorter scale on it I think that's uh that's brown and sharp you can see the logo on there real handy tools this is the little die maker square that I was talking about that has different blades to go into it and you do not need one of these I'm just showing it to you but if you run across one there it is the original luskin box years ago we used to use a lot more calipers than what we do now but I like the looks of these little Stuart outside calipers I very rarely use an inside caliper so I would say pass on that unless you find a need for it but if you're doing larger work you might need calipers and the bigger sizes like this but probably not and if it's real big ones that's probably going to be provided by the shop but I certainly do use a lot of dividers especially like the small ones but I have bigger ones and some much bigger than this as well so decide what you need before you spend a lot of money on these but you can buy off brands too that are perfectly serviceable and sometimes dependent depending on what you are doing you might need a compass like that and those are cheap enough let's talk about micrometer and of course the 1-inch zero to one answers what you're going to use the most so get yourself a good one of those good use you can find these at pawn shops too you know I have bought things at pawn shops you probably sooner or later will need a two inch micrometer but if you go any larger than this typically the shops are going to provide those especially when you get up to six inches and so on like that I still like a digital like this mechanical digital they work every time I use allow the in my videos because I can show them to the camera that that's why I use them and I but I do like them and I just came across another one they're kind of hard to find you will need it sooner or later a this is a steroid given to me by Jimmy to Rusty you might remember that from another video but there's the micrometer depth micrometer along with a couple rods I really don't particularly like in the cases but they take up a lot of room in the toolbox and you probably will have to keep up in the top you've seen this before and there's a set of four mics and the largest one is three to four along with the standards but this big case mahogany case takes up so much face it won't fit in any of the boxes even in the top so you don't necessarily need that but if you'll find if you get a goodbye on it grab it I am sorry but I don't particularly care for digital micrometer and matter of fact this one doesn't work even when I put a new battery in and all that it it probably gonna work for a day or if I fiddle around with it the next time I use it it doesn't work and I think it's corrosion or something like that and I really don't like anything with batteries so I guess I'm just old-fashioned on that and that's probably a $200 instrument here's another depth mic that I have but I don't have the extra rods for it and that's a sure Tamiko it is satin chrome so it's nice to read but we've got a little bit of corrosion there but that's that's still a nice tool let's talk about calipers I do like these dial calipers no batteries they always work easy to zero out this is even a no brand no-name probably a $15 one and it works great and of course you could get a better one if you wanted the digital ones I do kind of like but we're back to batteries again but one thing I like about them is that you can switch between English and metric and you can easily zero them out so this has been a good workhorse around here myth tutorial but again that needs batteries and so take your choice but I think younger people are gonna prepare the digital hi Henry now there are just so many other types of micrometer and it's handy to have an inside micrometer this is only a smaller one goes up to about one inch but you can put that on your want list even if you don't get one right away and again sometimes these cases are more of a nuisance than they are a help but I'll keep that in the case for now in this drawer I keep some of my utility tools and layout tools I like this particular scriber from Randy Richards in the shop and that's carbide on the end there so stay sharp but there are other types of scribers as well and it's handy to have a magnet and that's a screw starter on the other end and those are a little bit annoying sometime but to retrieve things that's great and I like this double-ended scriber as well however it doesn't fit in the drawer so I'll have to put that in the top but it's a little bit of a nuisance and then some little screwdrivers and here's yet another magnet but it doesn't fit in there so it has to go into the top you can see how quickly things are accumulating and in this little pouch which doesn't quite fit in there and originally I had a set of these that was that fit into a pocket protector if you know what a pocket protector it is but there's a center punch on a magnet and a scraper in that set so those are handy and they got pocket clips on them actually this tool is a retractable exacto knife that's handy to have around but I like to have a an automatic Center punch may be in there and I'm running out of space you can see how this this goes and if you've got maybe put them here sharpies and pencils and other writing devices maybe in here depending on what your needs are and a regular pocketknife if you don't carry one in your pocket in this drawer I like to keep some of the gauges here's a thread pitch gauge and you need one of those both in imperial and one in metric or maybe you can get one that has both on it I'm not sure possibly radius gauges I don't really use those very often but so that's something you might need there's a a wire gauge for sheet metal but there's all different kinds of these for depending on what your motor ring if you're doing reading sooner or later you're gonna need a center gage and if you do Acme threading you'll need an acme gage and then you always need feeler gauges and those are available in all different kinds of sets it's a steric but you probably could get by with the cheap ones they sell in automotive stores and it won't be long before you'll have that drawer filled I have entire drawers filled with telescoping and small hole gauges and I'm going to set these aside because it's almost kind of messy it's nice to have them in these little pouches and there's a set of small hole gauges that will go to the bottom of a hole the probably you don't need those there's no sort of those is it just this type the regular round ball gauges is fine up to about 1/2 inch and then when you get larger than that you go to the telescoping gauges like this and that other handful that I just had so that probably will suffice you for holes because remember that you can also use your calipers for inside dimensions also in this drawer we might keep a wiggler and a edge finder if you do that kind of work wait before you buy those a tap follower but this might be also kept in one of the drawers where eventually I end up filling the drawers with taps and small drills but I'll set it there for now and then the wiggler could also be bought or center finder in a case like this it's a little more bulky than just laying them out and eventually these cases fall apart anyway but that'll be pretty much that drawer for now and if you got any decimal equivalent charts those are pretty handy just to keep in one of the drawer and I told you in the previous video that on the box a lid here it's a handy place if you have that spring to put your charts and all of your little booklets and so that are related to the to the trade I'm running out of room but it handy to have Center punches and all the different sizes but they don't need to be in a pouch I have them all over the place but I'll lay those in there for now and you cannot get enough pin punches in the various sizes because you're gonna ruin the little ones before very long so watch out for those but it's hard to buy them used because usually the small ones are always mutilated at garage sales and and auctions but you need a lot of punches at any shop well two years has gone by and you're running out of room so you had to buy the riser the base here and these are bigger drawers that can hold some of your heavier tools and more bulky tools and you need a lot of hammers but you don't need them all right away but a lead hammers always been a necessity for me but a lot of people are satisfied with a copper or a brass or some kind of soft hammer or this type of deadblow hammer for for tapping things but you can see it doesn't take too long before you fill up a drawer like this and then you need ball pins generally in two sizes not all of this and then yet another smaller brass hammer and I have long favored this real little brass hammer but there you can see I've added twenty pounds of weight and almost filled up that drawer you need adjustable wrenches not all these sizes the sooner or later you may or might want all of them I'm going to throw all those in there but if you get the double Enders you can cut down on your inventory I won't put that in there and then I use a hacksaw an awful lot but you can see that it's clumsy and it fills the drawer this also can be kept at the very top and then some extra blades someplace around here I'm not going to put those in in this drawer perhaps files and they're just a standard 10 inch mil file and a little bit smaller one but you really need more than that perhaps a rat tail and various sizes and definitely a file card and then I also use an awful lot of little cards like that needle files or jeweler's files and those can be purchased in sets as well so lay those right there and then there's a lot of deburring to be done in a metal shop so I like the no good type that swivels and this one is also commercially made but you know I made up some of these we're just made up with countersinks and I won't put all those in there but they are a handy and then this is a tapered type reamer that you might find that that's just a strand so we'll put that in there you really can't get enough hex keys and there's metric and imperial and these are the ball type and which I do like very much these will take up a lot of room but these plastic organizers are pretty good about keeping them straight for you but if you don't have them just right you can't get the door closed and I still like the pocketknife type that you can open and close in several different sizes you will always need pliers I particularly like that Bernard parallel job but you need at least one needlenose and a regular combination slip joint and I like that bent one I had that for a long time in a diagonal cutters and then screwdrivers and I'm only going to lay a few in here but you need to fill up some standard and nowadays you need Torx and all kinds of other brands but as you get into the bigger ones you can see they take up a lot of room I throw a little wire brush in there to clean up things too and another little screwdriver and you might need a set of those jeweler's screwdrivers as well I have a hermaphrodite calipers and a couple different sizes which I find handy from time to time but hold off on those you may never use one and you need tapper answers in several sizes both of the t-handle type and the straight it's hard to find good ones now unless you buy the major brands the the discount brands generally aren't very good and you'll be dissatisfied with them again watch auctions garage sales Craigslist eBay and pawn shops those are your major places to buy used quality tools and possibly even want ads and if you work in a big shop perhaps you can buy from other people such as older men that are retiring over here some old dental picks given to be a Tom that are handy and you know hone who might need more than one of those or a stone and again a utility knife and always a bottle opener and believe me the first day you'll have sliver so make sure you have one of those remember that other machinists do not want you to borrow things from them and you'll soon see why conversely you will not want to loan tools because what's going to happen here very quickly is you're going to own your scribe route and then you need it within about a half hour and you have to go hunt for it over to someone else's bench and then when you finally do retrieve it you're going to find that they broke the point off so immediately there's bitterness and resentment so do not be a borrower or a lender and that's a good rule to live by you're gonna need some oil but I do not really recommend keeping that in the box because sooner or later they fall over and then they just make a mess and all the felt gets soaked so if you've got liquids pry unless somebody's gonna steal them they need to stay on the bench that goes for Loctite and just about cutting fluids and all of that stuff you need flashlights I like the little pen lights I particularly like this one because it's so bright and then the old utility kind tool and that pretty much concludes it you need a magnifying and this is one of my major cool and I will put that in the top because there's room for so when I open it up that's the first thing that I would see and it doesn't quite close you see what I mean let's go through the drawers real quickly now and show you how how fast they got full filled and you might rearrange them this isn't necessarily the order that you would want but it's kind of fun then you need to clean your box from time to time because you'll end up with a lot of taps and dies and drills and cutting tools and I didn't put any of those in there at this time because they will accumulate by themselves those aren't something that you usually need to buy yourself the shop provides the cutting tools normally but if you've got carbide inserts and things like that they also would go in your drawers the combination square is kind of bulky so I'm going to put that back in the top compartment over again there we've got some micrometer and here all of our punches and some gauges over here rule smaller squares and all the utility tools here that you'll be using constantly more gauges this isn't really a good way to store these calipers but that's the best I can do for right now at least for this video I don't really keep those in a box here on my own work bench because I don't have to secure everything at the end of the day I can just leave it lay but you'll probably be in a shop where you have a cleanup time and just have to put everything away and lock it up because some of these tools will have legs and down here I'll see already I'm having trouble here getting them open as well they got too many tools so there are the Allen wrenches and filed in and I can said you need a lot more files than that and then in the bottom all of the heavy tools and you will need a lot more than that eventually be surprised how many things that you need but just start out small and and and accumulate them and see what you need and every birthday and every Christmas have want lists tell your family what you would like to have for give them specific brands - so you're not spending half of the Christmas holiday pouting about what they gave you so alright that concludes this video on what you ought to have in your toolbox hope you enjoyed it this is tubal-cain saying so long for now and i'll see you in my next video you

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Length: 31min 35sec (1895 seconds)

Published: Wed May 23 2018