Barbara Walters 1996 interview with Robert Kardashian

o.j simpson telephoned me last night and later you'll hear how he feels about this interview but to continue simpson's friends wanted to believe in his innocence so did his lawyers but there was powerful court testimony to come and it raised in kardashian's mind terrible doubts although at first he had none once simpson was arrested his defense team took over what was your role what were you if anything i was the liaison between the attorneys and oj whenever it was bad news i had to tell oj the bad news thankless job thankless job very much so did you make any money from all those weeks and months no i i got paid a little bit in the beginning who made the most money robert shapiro how much did he make our deal with him was a million to a hundred thousand a month has he gotten paid not all of it mr kardashian you sat in that courtroom as a lawyer now you're talking about things that you discussed with o.j simpson doesn't this violate your attorney-client privilege barbara i'm on the witness list for the civil trial and i think that's something that the court will have to determine at that time are you sharing any of the prophets if there are any from this book i don't like discussing my financial situation you saw o.j simpson almost every single day he wanted someone with them all the time at first it was you and after a while enough already and so what did you do i had an assistant of mine nicole pulvers who was an attorney and we had her sit with him all day every day she was paid to go and keep him company yes that's rather spoiled of mr simpson is it not very in the book even before the trial started you say that robert shapiro said to you this is how i think the murders may have been committed what did he say mr shapiro told me one day that he thinks o.j went over there and he was just going to poke her tires and she caught him and that's when the murders took place and i was astounded here is our lead trial attorney giving me this theory of guilt and i said i don't want to hear theories of guilt do you think robert shapiro thought that o.j simpson was guilty yes again and again you say that robert shapiro wanted simpson to plea bargain i overheard mr shapiro at one point in the courtroom during a break say to mr simpson we should plea bargain you would get 12 years or whatever it was and robert kardashian would get so much time as an accessory well barbara my jaw dropped why would you have been an accessory for hiding i have no idea yeah i mean i was astounded and i was shaking i was so mad so upset where would this even come from he knew that i knew nothing about any of this what did simpson say when when his attorney says maybe we should plea bargain he started yelling at bob and saying what are you talking about i don't ever want to hear this again i didn't do this robert shapiro denies this he says that he may just have mentioned plea bargaining with the lawyers as a kind of what if when you examine every scenario which one is telling the truth you are shapiro i am this is why you wanted shapiro off the case and wanted johnny cochran we didn't need our lead attorney having concerns about guilt also johnny cochran related better to mr simpson and cochran also knew how to win over the predominantly african-american jury lawrence schiller reveals for the first time that before the jury was brought to sea simpson's rockingham estate cochran kardashian and the rest of the defense team gave simpson's house a complete makeover they went in and they remade that house as one source told me he was there the white women came off the walls and the black women came marching in you and other members of the defense team rearranged pictures took away pictures of white women paula barbieri whose nude picture was next to oj's bed put in pictures of o.j with his mother uh put a sympathetic poster of a little black girl supposedly starting school that had been in cochran's office rearranged all these pictures you feel that you were manipulating the jury i did feel this was manipulative and actually the pictures had been quite glamorous and mostly white previously yes previously yes wow one of the things that you write that most disturbed some of the members of the defense team was the dna evidence the blood this really raised out it affected everybody which ones were certain that o.j simpson was innocent which ones had doubts and even thought he was guilty i think that many of them maybe the majority of them had doubts but they were professionals did johnny cochran have doubts about o.j simpson's innocence he had doubts about o.j simpson's stories about the cuts on his fingers he had doubts about the fact that simpson could remember almost everything in his life but couldn't explain when the cuts took place or how but the biggest problem was the blood simpsons blood at the crime scene nicole's blood found on simpson's sock in his bedroom most damaging ron goldman's blood in the bronco and the blood of all three found on the glove at rockingham how did the dna the blood evidence affect you ron goldman's blood and simpson's bronco simpson's blood in so many places barbara that was the most devastating part of the whole trial for me i i wake up in the middle of the night i i'm so conflicted because of that blood evidence it's very difficult for me you had many discussions with ac cowlings about the blood you and cowlings two of simpson's best friends and he also expressed that yes yes if you can imagine two men who have known oj i 25 years and ac grew up with him knows him much better than i when we would talk about this blood evidence we would go all over the board we would go from innocence he couldn't have done it and list all the reasons why then we would say well but how did the blood get here maybe he did and it was so heart-wrenching barbara to believe that o.j simpson is truly innocent you have to believe that the lapd conspired to frame him do you believe that i don't obviously i don't believe the entire lapd conspired i believe a few individuals did some things that were not normal but not a whole conspiracy no it's impossible it has been reported that simpson knew the night before the jury came in with the verdict that he was going to be acquitted true absolutely false so when o.j simpson walked into that courtroom he did not know whether or not he was going to be found guilty he had no idea and neither did i what was your reaction to the verdict that morning i got to the to the court a little early o.j was in his cell and i prayed with him at that time and i prayed to god not that this man be set free but that thy will be done only you know god what has happened here orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal cult section 187 mr kardashian do you now doubt oj simpson's innocence barbara if i were on the jury today on this civil trial because of the reasonable doubt i would vote not guilty that is not what i asked you i asked you if you yourself doubt o.j simpson's innocence i have doubts why the blood evidence is the biggest thorn in my side that causes me the greatest problems so i i struggle with the blood evidence what is your relationship today with rj simpson the relationship is not the same as it once was nor will it ever be why not because i have doubts you will testify at simpson's civil trial if called i am on the witness list will you say you had doubts if called i'll tell the truth barbara if you had to do it all over again would you have stood by your friend to endure death threats on my life to endure death threats on my children's lives to lose a fiance to suffer in my personal business because she was upset about this because of the trial just took its toll to have all these things happen to me i would honestly say no i would not get involved again how do people treat you today not good people i guess think i had something to do with this did simpson ever say to you robert i appreciate this i know what you did no would oj simpson have done this for you no i don't believe he would barbara you are a very religious man will o.j simpson go to heaven i'm not god barbara now i know o.j simpson called you yesterday and one can guess why but tell what he said to you in that phone call well what happened was that we we released the transcript and so he knew uh in great part what was going to be uh in the interview and i made notes of of the conversation he said that um there were many inaccuracies in in the interview including the allegations that a number of pictures in the house were changed for the jury or that the lawyer nicole pulvers was there just to babysit him he said there are knowledgeable people willing to refute these allegations but that he can't because he's not allowed to discuss his case since there's a civil case pending simpson also said that robert shapiro never talked to him personally about a plea bargain and as for robert kardashian and mr simpson says that he thanked him profusely many times including once in front of a hundred people saying that his friend he could never repay his kindness he did say however that he and robert kardashian will remain friends and here i quote he said i understand why he wrote this book he said no one has written a book yet about the case and donated the money to charity is kris kardashian going to make money off of this book lauren chiller told me that he paid robert kardashian for the interview as he paid many others but i don't think that robert kardashian did this to make the money i think he really was troubled and i think we'll have to see whether the relationship remains although that's not our that's not our concern very revealing interview thank you

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Length: 11min 57sec (717 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 15 2016