Asmongold Reacts to Jordan Peterson: Is World of Warcraft Bad for You?

so fast man have you seen Jordan Pete Peterson talked about Wow and experiencing meaning in while in one of his lectures love you man no but we'll watch that afterwards our video games like Warcraft bad for you Wow okay let's say you don't want to play a video rules and you don't want any where the rules transform so rapidly and erratically that there's no white BFA you want to play a video game where you can suspend this belief you know there's some play with the axiom so maybe there's some comedians like their lives aren't exactly like real reality but once that framework is established once the rule-governed framework is established there's play inside of it and that's very impressive that's what I would say this is exactly what I was [ __ ] saying dude like to even Jordan Peterson agrees with me that's the best part about it is figuring out ways that you can work within the rules and just [ __ ] with people that's the best part is what you have to learn things from playing games because in some sense you're always playing games right because that's really inside a reality that's bounded by a certain set of assumptions and it's not the total reality it's like a game-like representation of the total reality and you know hopefully it's a good enough game like representation you know one of the things I was thinking about in relationship to video games was you know I've read critiques of video games where people complain about young people generally being engaged in video games to the expense of having a real life and then I was thinking well if you know good Edward I think his name is evan edward Castronovo now he's an economist who studied visual gamers and he did this quite a while ago I think it's gotta be more than ten years ago now but he made the claim at that point that one of the big massive online player games I think it was World of Warcraft that might be wrong okay all right here we go here we go really not in any fade way okay because you couldn't sell artifacts that you were producing on eBay for example but also partly because people trade it within it and like there was no reason to assume that the additional level of abstraction that that video game represented was necessarily any more abstract than what we were already doing in economies so that's exactly what he's saying he's saying the same [ __ ] thing dude I warned more as I said I learn more from business and Wow than I did from business school well I learned how to like how to get people to buy [ __ ] that they don't need I got people like how to upsell people like there's so much that I learned it see see whenever I'm saying this right everybody just thinks that I'm some kind of a [ __ ] stupid jackass but now Jordan Peterson saying the same [ __ ] thing because an economist said the same [ __ ] thing dude like that this is exactly how it works man like it's not how to scam people I mean like it's part of it right I mean there's always well I teach you say that a scam it does it does so then you can ask yourself for example think about this is it more real to lead a band of adventurers through a complex mythological reality in an online game or to work at McDonald's now you'd say well well the thought is that's real but let's let's think about that for a minute so exactly why is it real okay I understood all okay that is that's pretty true I mean I feel like you're probably gonna learn a little bit more from wild than McDonald's I mean I'd promised ahnold's but I'd pretty much assume that whole bunch of other things right so it has to be nested in a functional capitalist economy and that has to be nested inside a functional political system and then there's all sorts of other preconditions in terms of material supply and so forth that have to be in place before you - before you're able to work there and receive tokens for your labor okay so the same thing applies to the video game and you might say well how do you determine which of those is real and I would say well maybe one of the ways of determining whether a game is real is to what degree do you practice a wide range of the subsets of skills that would be transferable to other games while you're playing that game and I think you could make a case that let me tell you as somebody who sucks at every [ __ ] game that I play besides Wow the only meta skills that you have are the meta skills you earn from Wow okay like I suck at FPS games I suck at every other type of game but the one thing that I am kind of good at is like you know figuring out like organizing [ __ ] in WoW right that's basically it like gaming philosophy exactly that the activities that you're engaging in which involve leadership and cooperation and nation and problem-solving are actually a more comprehensive subset of the skills that you would have to develop to work in the world as a complex place then what you would pick up is McDonald's now you know obviously you can argue about but it's not self-evident so and I think that's the that's Horace that noticing that's the I it's not thinking because it's not the framing process it's something outside of that it's something that's watching and I think if you notice you'll see if you go through your week you'll notice is you have to sort of stand outside yourself and think ah ha Horace you know what what's what was this Horace what is Horace yeah it's the Egyptian god but what is he the god of slam and [ __ ] it's really into that pulled right inside it and then you see phenomena that occur along with that which highly this detailed recently in his in his work on flow you don't notice the passing of time you're not self-conscious and the activity is sustaining you experience it as sustained even though it might be difficult you know so it's not a matter of just taking the easy way of doing something go fine it's not that at all it can be that it's often you feel that way when you're doing something that's exceptionally challenging and difficult and usually I think it's those things that okay they're real in relationship to your goal hierarchy you know so they're they're moving you forward in the way that you okay moving forward is appropriate in some okay sort of that out so you know a implies B and B implies C and C implies D and so forth and you've sorted that all out you know so maybe you're working on an essay in the class that you find meaningful because you want to derive something useful from your education so that you're good citizens no I just don't want to have my dad get mad because I failed another class like like to settle down Jordan nobody gives a [ __ ] about that all right we just don't want to get my dad get mad at me all those things makes the local activity quite richly meaningful because it's properly contextualized but then there's the other element which is when you're pushing yourself beyond that not only do you experience the meaning of what they're doing in relationship to your goal hierarchy you also transcend the goal hierarchy at the same time so that while you're working towards realizing it you're also working towards transforming it and improving it all at the same time and I think I set out to experience that as as the highest form of being and then there's a corollary to that which is maybe if you spent the bulk of your time doing that you know so you've got practice time video games okay well maybe you do I don't know you can figure it out for yourself my efficiency are that for many of you that's probably 5% of your weekly life maybe you're wrong about that because it's been a long time since I was your age I can't remember what it was like for you it's like 30 but I do any 20 measure of a undergraduate it's not good how much time they wait you know they're telling me generally speaking it's 46 hours a day and I actually think it's probably more than that yeah four to six hours today cuz like I I don't do anything like I stream and like what do I really do besides streaming like they're I mean like usually like whenever I have other stuff going on yeah I'm kind of busy but there are a lot of days where I stream for like five hours and the other 12 hours or whatever that I'm awake I don't even know what happens like sometimes I'll just like be sitting here and it'll be it'll be midnight I don't even know how that happens he'll way thank you very much the 20 gift that unity subs man I appreciate that thank you thank you thank you he'll way thank you thank you thank you so much man I appreciate it that's time it's wasted time well you even recognize it as wasted time because when someone asks wasted time you say yes yep that's about right if it's wasted and you know it you're obviously comparing that to some other sort of time that isn't wasted right that you regard is valuable with meaningful it was really that is in racket even though it might be difficult and required so you might ask yourself you know if you have times during the week where you were engaged enough in what you're doing so that you find that intrinsically meaningful and it removes the burden of tragedy and I don't mean because you're preoccupied I mean because you're experiencing what you're doing is intrinsically worth the price that's exactly that that's the South Park episode do you want to go out there and get good grades and do all this other stupid stuff or do you want to kill boars and do something that really matters like this guy knows what it is see this is this is exactly what it is this is the psychology of the games it's the exact same [ __ ] thing that's a different thing you might think okay well what if you were in that 80% of the time yep for 85% of the time or 90% of the time you know and that requires a tremendous amount of discipline and organization and and clarity of purpose and it also requires a tremendous amount of truth because the enemy of setting yourself up so that you can do that is untrue because what happens is to the degree that you engage in untruth you you contaminate your frames fundamental and then you are in real trouble because people who think will never in your life properly if your frames are contaminated then they're contaminated to the degree that you build them out of nonsense and and delusion yeah that's basically like whenever people think the video games are real lobster race confirmed yeah there are dizzy just assume my MMO I mean here's the thing right is that like yeah I would say talks alone I mean who cares right I mean it doesn't matter I mean like we're just listening to what he says as a matter who's listening or how many people are there I mean it doesn't matter I mean like here's the thing I think what he's basically saying is that video games simulate real life in a way that makes certain skills transferable I think that's absolutely true I mean there's plenty of things that people learn in video games that they're able to use and apply in real life like an example of this is dealing with people that you don't like so how many times have you ever been in a rating guild and the raid leader or somebody else in the guild is somebody that you [ __ ] hate like you don't like them at all and you're like man I just wish this person would die I don't want to talk to them I don't want to think about them or anything but you still log on and you still deal with it right and there's nothing it doesn't matter like what the the problem is or anything like that you still deal with it and I think that's really what the difference is and that's something you can learn in Wow and it's something that's gonna be meaningful even after that you know what I mean what's the past economics just because of the auction house and Wow yeah we're in supply and demand for that absolutely that's how it is f1 eSports yeah I mean let's say critical thinking skills hand-eye coordination we don't really need hand-eye coordination in 99 percent of jobs real life you just get punched in the face well no like I actually like that no you don't get punched in the face at work like I don't know like if you have to deal with somebody that you don't like it work and you punch them in the face you're gonna go to jail so I mean no that that's not how it works in the real world you don't just punch people that make you mad like it in general like yeah that's what you know why twelve-year-old hard-asses say but no you have to deal with people that you don't like and that's too bad we are waiting by the way we are waiting for the servers to come up they are currently down and that's basically it yeah yeah you know buddy nobody goes around punching people they don't like it work I mean they'd be in jail and they wouldn't be able to even talk about this so know by the nature of people here being able to talk and twitchchat that means that you don't go and do that because the people that do that are in jail so stop trying to act like a hard-ass it's not how it works 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Length: 14min 43sec (883 seconds)

Published: Fri Jun 14 2019