ARKs Most Frustrating Creature To Tame... Noglin Taming! - ARK Genesis Part 2 [E31]

so in today's video we're going to be taming up a noglin and let me tell you i tried to make this video for sunday which means that i spent pretty much all saturday and then most of sunday morning which i don't usually do trying to actually make the video before i gave up and just enjoyed my sunday because usually i take some days off even though there's a video coming out on sundays doesn't mean i'm working on those days um yeah and a little bit of loading lag there we go so let me explain what happened first of all i i bred up my void worms and i basically combined all the best stats and then i went ahead and came down here trying to find some noglins all of that didn't really take too long to get down to here um but i do have to say when i was down here it was really really difficult to actually find any noglins um here's a couple tips though you know what to be honest out of all this video i'm just gonna try and clear up like a lot of misconceptions and confusion around noglin taming and then also give you some tips on how to find them because there's a lot that went wrong so far leading up to this point but i think let's not dwell too much on that let me just explain to you what i've learned from all of it so anyway guys go ahead do me a favor hit the like button if you find yourself enjoying this one i really would appreciate it because this is this beat a stressful one so first of all come down here to the innards biome and uh turn on your tech helmet trust me it will it definitely will save you um a lot of a lot of squinting at your screen here's what i'll say if there's any reapers up here lead them down there just jump over one of the gaps or just go around a corner and it will fall down you don't want to try and fight the reapers the next thing is just go around kill everything that's not in augulin like okay we have a reaper right here let me go ahead and just leave this one off real quick we'll just go ahead and do it this way we don't want to fight them i mean if i had a charge pet i could but like why waste my time when they're just gonna probably keep respawning so that reaper's down there next step let's just look around for any noglins or any other creatures here kill absolutely everything honestly just do it um here we go yeah there we go sweet freaking arthropluros i guess i don't have to worry so much about them spitting on me because my armor is just the normal attack-ish armor on here uh we've also got a mantis here um you don't want to just run around corners though because there potentially could be an oglen in there it did not mean to hold right there and uh yeah you don't really want to get noggled off the creature that you're riding on so as you can see not too many creatures around this area there's going to be a lot down there but i wouldn't really bother too much with them watch out for summoners don't let them spot you because honestly fighting them is really really difficult sometimes um especially the high level ones because they will put up a shield right there i didn't even see that one right there and that's a 170 no that wasn't a 174 i just saw 174 and got scared um yeah they'll put up a shield which means that you cannot damage them so don't let them spot you if you can help it unfortunately i was a little bit distracted right there okay um next thing is literally just go around kill absolutely everything and after this we're going to go ahead and leave this area and hope that we can manage to come back to find some noggling there might already actually be a few here we're just going to keep searching we want to check this area here as well right over to the side because i've definitely seen some hanging out right at the corner let's check this side too and do we have any it doesn't actually seem like we have any here at all today oh we got some bugs though let's kill them sweet all right wouldn't even bother going through this area right here or down below at all like don't even bother unless you see an oglen on the other side here i mean i guess you could also just come through and quickly kill the creatures that are super close but don't bother exploring that part of the biome you're not going to be able to easily grab the noglin out of that area and bring it back here and all the way up the ramp if you want to so it's just going to be a bit of a pain so definitely don't bother doing any of that um let me go ahead and just drop all this stuff and we have one more area to clear although i know you know we did check the two top bits the next area to clear is right up here so there can be noglins up here i have seen them spawn up here and as you can see there's actually quite a few other creatures up here too so just be careful that you don't get an auckland while you're on your creature because that would just be awful oh my god there's actually tons of things up here right now i've actually seen reapers spawn up here too so it's pretty dangerous boom do that and sweet you're dead and then well mantis is dead once we get an old we could just keep spamming that and just killing things with it um we've got these little swarm thingies on me right now so let me just go ahead and get rid of some of them i think they're good sweet oh no we still have a couple more apparently we go ahead and oh sweet all right cool anyway i don't see any noglins here right now so we can easily just kill the rest of these guys so what we're gonna do after this is i've pretty much cleared out this whole area we're gonna leave this cave we're gonna go all the way up to the top and then come all the way back down let me go ahead and just take care of this dude um we've got a bug there too we'll take care of that as well um so yeah no knocklends at all on this little run so let's let's head on out of here and we got some spiders already respawning like look at this like the creatures will just keep respawning you know and especially if you leave all the way like out and you go all the way up like you're definitely gonna have creatures respawning on you so basically do that now we're going to head back down in a minute we might not find any noglins we might have to do this 20 30 more times you never know like i could find a really good level right now or i could find a really good level you know after 10 more hours of this uh why can i not break my way through this stuff really okay there we go and wait for the loading lag because we're loading the overworld sweet we're just gonna walk out a little bit my phone is on loud shut up um so now let's get on to the actual things that you want to be using to tame up the noglins which we will go into more detail later on um there's only a couple creatures in the game that you're going to want to use to tame the knocklands you can use anything to tame them trust me you can use absolutely anything but you're not gonna get perfect taming effectiveness unless you use certain creatures and from a lot of people's research and work uh in the game um people have determined i obviously didn't do all this initial testing so i won't take credit for it but there's been a lot of people looking into all of it and um it's been determined that brontos voidworms are definitely two that you want to use another one i've heard of that i actually don't have confirmation of just yet but i definitely would be interested to know is um carcanos i've heard carcanos are also really good at it now again i'm just taking all this information from my comment section but also from you know other sources as well nothing official because obviously i don't have confirmation of any of that so take some of this with a grain of salt anyway um no knoglins at all this run are you kidding me okay wait what's that that's an auckland that is a noglin hello that's a 156. i i'm i'm gonna just take that one okay i'm gonna just take that one 156 obviously is a little bit off high level like max level but i'm gonna take that that's a good level um so yeah hang on let me just check the rest of this area just we'll kill the rest of the creatures because i might actually oh there's another one right there okay you see that i killed everything i come back and there's two already that's crazy and there's also a reaper hello um that's cool that is great we love that we definitely do um why did the reaper shoot off that way i have no idea let me try and get rid of this reaper we'll come back up check on the level of that knocklin it could be a really good one you never know and there we go and are you gonna fall off the corner yes you are sweet so yeah carcanos and uh rock elementals was another one so i don't exactly know again if those ones are confirmed but do let me know if you know if you've done some testing maybe i'll do some myself at some point where the hell did that noglin go we've got some bugs here let me just kill these guys boom we got another one here you can also just eat all these weird plant thingies um rockwell's innards to uh gain their nourishment but also to get some cool materials and whatnot let's go ahead and kill this one level 102 there we go oh my god that was so close sometimes when you go to stun some small targets it doesn't exactly put you right down on top of them which is kind of terrifying but yeah voidworms brontos definitely confirmed and today i'm going to be using a mix of the two because guess what you can't use bread ones that is one piece of information that i don't think i heard anywhere everybody's just like oh yeah use these creatures i started using these creatures i had a 168 earlier not earlier but the other day and uh yeah i just wasn't able to tame it because it was giving like five percent and then sometimes ten percent one time it gave 20 so i was like okay what am i doing wrong here don't use bread creatures use wild tames it works on wild teams it doesn't work with bread creatures not reliably enough so i've seen a lot of people saying oh it doesn't work on this creature that creature when it's already being confirmed and i'm i'm betting that those people are using bread ones um so yeah i'm telling you here today do not use bread creatures to tame up a noglin not a smart thing to do um you're gonna lose a lot of percentage because after the fifth creature that the noglin latches to it will quickly start to lose taming effectiveness which is not what you want obviously so yeah definitely don't do that where the hell did that 156 go did it like dip or did it fall off the side maybe oh there it is okay we're good we're good i could potentially go back into there and try and tame it but i don't think i will let me explain to you how to actually move these noglins out of this area so are we good we got a couple more of these guys these things are so annoying i'm being serious like these things are the worst go away boom if we don't kill them all now i'm just gonna have to deal with them in like a minute so best to just do that and we got some more over here are you actually kidding me how many is there all right here we go more of these little swarm creatures wild card just keep adding them we all love them very clearly i mean you know we all had so much fun with all the weird fish swarms and then also insect swarms on genesis part one why not add some more it's okay all right are we almost good here are we oh my god there's like stragglers seriously okay are we good i think we're good they sound like sheep when they die sometimes there is actually so many of these things there we go oh my god they just keep coming okay i think we're finally good i'm gonna go ahead and put away my shadow main and here's what you want to do net the noggling okay we're going to net it first i'm going to try and not get like caught by it first i want to try and do this from a distance there we go got it it's a really small target so you might have to lead it just a little bit um so after it's netted try and grapple it oh it just stood up for some reason there we go it won't always work on the first grapple let me oh crap i did not mean to uncrouch and ruin the net there we go it won't always work at the first grapple but try it a couple times like obviously you know reel at the grapple and then just run with it because as soon as that net breaks then that's last like a minute by the way as soon as that net breaks this thing will get free and we don't want that we don't want it like running off the edge or whatever so just try and get through this area here at least watch out for summoners we've got one right there um if it breaks free just you know obviously bear in mind that you're gonna have to try and net it again okay we've got some creatures here that's not good for us that's really not good for us so i think i'm gonna go ahead and i'm gonna have to net it again and then kill those things i'm not gonna be able to get through here right now uh yeah the mantis is already aggro to me and now the naglin has two i think yeah sometimes the run from you by the way it's really weird actually that time right there it didn't actually run from me and it's uh still grappled okay so you see i'm still even learning things myself all right we're gonna take this outer path right here okay i lost it okay good to know that if we go around corners like that it will eventually pop off there we go sweet that mantis is dead we'll kill this other one watch out for those guys though obviously um there's the naglin that's good and we'll just jump out of the way of his attack and this must be a decent level there we go cool dead all right let's just repeat this process we're gonna go ahead and net it again and try and do it from a distance so just an aggro or run away it's even worse when they run away to be honest oh that mess damn it stop it stop moving it's even worse when they um when they run because they'll like probably end up running off the edge or something and i'm pretty sure if they landed down into that acid then they probably oh is it chasing me it is actually chasing me so this could be good for us although i'm gonna instead just go for the safe option why am i not able to net you at all yeah it's not it's not allowing me to net it i feel like some of these would probably be hitting let me aim super low down no what the hell like let's aim directly onto it then it's hitbox is so weird look at that it's not giving me the uh the option but all right let's just walk it back i guess at this point yeah we could just go ahead and grapple it again gotta obviously keep a good distance between you and it let's try and get through here though there we go i lost it great and now it's actually running from me which is not good and we can't grapple it damn it okay what is it doing now there we go i i just gonna go ahead and edit again a little bit easier for me to do this and there first try sweet so yeah sometimes that doesn't actually work sometimes it does which is great um we just wanna i'm just gonna try and run right through here i don't wanna have to deal with more delays okay we're good we're good we wanna just try and go for either one of these corridors i'm gonna go for the one on the left here because we're closer and we're just gonna run it as far into this area as we can we don't have to get it all the way up and out but if we get it at least a little bit in then we should be good we don't want to run them back that way basically um okay so next step is to just obviously wait till we're like a little bit further ahead here maybe i'll get it around the corner and then i might actually let go of it myself instead of having it just pop out whenever it wants i'm just gonna get it to like right here and i'm gonna hit c and we're just gonna oh crap i'm out of stamina as well that would be really bad right there all right here we go we're gonna just get straight into this here we go bronto bam pronto down that is a wild tame bronto passive we want to just kind of keep the bronto near it so i'm just gonna whistle move two on the bronto we don't have to make a trap for this you can do this in here but if you're on pvp then you might want to here's something though voidworms don't seem to be able to pick up noglins but pteranodons can for some reason i don't understand why but they just can there we go look at that percentage going up you want that to hit 20 and that's how you'll know that you're doing it right so that's going to hit 20 i'm gonna put away my other guy i'm gonna actually just go ahead and line our hot bar with the rest of these creatures there we go cool so that's gonna that's gonna probably go just slightly above 20 percent okay yeah cool and now basically would go above it right now i guess is what i mean but um you know it's just stopping at 20. okay so it's dropped off that's good we're going to go ahead and put you away you can also just crowd pod them normally um but there we go let's pop in another one we want to keep the momentum here so it probably yeah there we go it hopped straight on cool awesome so yeah this is how you get them um hopefully this this weird ranty kind of video has kind of given you some insight because i've had a lot of frustration over the last couple days trying to do this legit and survival mode this isn't the type of video where we're just spawning stuff in and throwing it at noglins to figure it all out this is realistic survival like you know figuring things out on the fly so yeah um we're at 40 that's good it's dropped off that's great we're gonna go ahead and chuck some void worms at it at it now so here we go come on uh this is where you'd wanna obviously have your tack suit because you do not want to okay is it running oh it looked like it was running directly for my guy so don't be on your creature and try and get it to hop onto your creature that's dumb because as soon as like when the time when i got latched when my giga got latched onto by the naglin out in the wild it immediately killed me and that's probably gonna happen if if you're on okay there we go if you're on the creature and and then uh you know like you try and get it to latch that way it's not a good idea okay we're gonna start running them back this way this is the best method for like the voidworms obviously you want to just go back and forth there we go we've got another 20 you can't do this with bread creatures at all by the way does not work you can obviously you know wait for your void worm to do its uh special attack i can't tell us the novel is still on there i guess it's still red so it must be there we go it's off okay try and stop your guy from attacking as quick as possible because you do not want to ruin your taming effectiveness there we go we're down by a little bit but that's okay um so next up we've got this one i'm gonna go ahead and just try and oop okay didn't mean to hit that button and okay i have a thing in my hand that's why that's happening okay so yeah just keep up the momentum you'll be good um try and get this guy just to walk past the noglin maybe so yeah come on buddy do you want to actually listen to my whistle there you go you're a bit of a dum-dum but we love you come on mr noglin i want to just kind of maybe get it closer than so if you mess up at all or the taming effectiveness does not go by the full amount um you can't you can use a sixth creature but like you're gonna lose tons of taming effectiveness by doing it that way so if it happens that you know you end up doing it that way and like you don't get the full percentage just knock out the noglin it will take like one dart to do it trust me there we go and the nog lane looks like it's off but it's actually on that's another thing i've noticed it like it's floating in the air right there you might be able to see it but it it's still on my guy which is so weird okay we're good we're good okay we don't want to get latched onto here noglin is still good and the last voidworm is right here let's go ahead and keep our distance and try and get this thing tamed oh my god this is gonna be the first time i've actually tamed it like legit on this server okay here we go so yeah here we go the last one should get tamed up any second now right very very close and there we go 100 we might have to give it a sec it might have to drop off oh no that's okay uh we don't wanna okay we gotta wait for it to drop off maybe it is 100 tamed i don't know what the hell's happening oh god what the hell man you're 100 tape how does that make any sense that doesn't make any sense at all why is this game like this all right let me see if i'll latch back on to this i have no idea why it just did that that is the odd i don't what you're a hundred percent but you're not tamed how does that how's that fair what that's not fair oh my god all right hang on well we can't use that bronto again i mean it's just i i don't know sometimes though we'll latch on to the same creature twice but i don't know what the hell's happened here why is it stopped at a hundred okay this is new information to me so just let's bear in mind here that uh i have no idea what the hell's happening uh oh by the way voidworms won't drop in health but brontos will so that's another thing um maybe if you want if you have lots of void worms do it that way but if you don't then you know just go for the brontos uh it will still work is this thing dropping at all it's gonna start dropping i'm gonna have to chuck something in on this i have no idea what though we're just gonna have to chuck into shadow main yeah this is this is not ideal whatsoever but here we go we're just gonna check our shadowmana and hopefully it will hop onto something what is it actually doing right now how does this make any sense in all my testing and i tested this like six times in a row this has never happened but on the seventh time this decides to happen it's a hundred percent tamed this is gonna screw me over with the taming effectiveness i can already tell what is happening why you're tamed i'm just gonna force him obviously not gonna do that but you know what i mean like that is frustrating hey there we go and we have you tamed and you lost a bunch of levels i think maybe did you no 156 okay we can see exactly what it has when i pick it up there we go oh my god how many levels did this thing lose then i have no idea why that just happened 98 okay i have no idea okay i thought he knew what i was talking about now this happens and then it's like ah all right well cool that's my very first snogla that we've tamed oh my god i'm gonna try and tape some more obviously um i mean they can't be bred so it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to tame more but if we can manage to find a higher level that means that we can control higher level creatures that is super annoying though i have no idea why that happened does anybody have any idea if you know please let me know cuz this is i've been working on this video for days and now i'm like yes i i figured it out we have the secret sauce and apparently the secret sauce is just not so secret i don't know what i'm getting at with this um the secret sauce is not what i thought it would be it's uh it doesn't work it doesn't blend what the hell was that did i just see like a oh i might i okay i probably was like went to the third person for a second saw a name tag up there or something i have no idea all right well anyway we teamed up in auglin it likes to clear out your earwax if you just let it sit on your shoulder wait for it it's going to happen at some point soon um it's cool because i've i've had a noggle in real life for like a couple weeks now wild card sent out plushies to all the creators but um yeah this is my very first in-game one which is kind of odd oh here we go is he gonna start eating earwax now wait for he loves it he really does look at this little guy oh yeah uh wait there you go oh yeah yeah get that earwax man yeah that is weird anyway let's go ahead and take this off and put that back on i want to just take control of some creatures now so let me let me get out here all right let's see let's grab this bronto because this thing loves its brontos doesn't it for some reason no idea why uh let's go ahead and just chuck away our mei wing or i guess i could probably stay over here i don't know you know what i'm gonna go ahead and put you away and we're gonna go ahead and hop up here so um yeah i find it super super weird how i did like tons of testing and then this one time that happens on cam happens to be the one where it does not work or whatever i don't i don't understand why so noglens are very cool you can obviously throw them directly at a creature to take control of it or do it the safe way by getting your character safe and then engaging the brain hunch so now i am the naglin and that is syntac right there it's funny because wherever i walk my character kind of like looks in that direction see this like we can it's so weird it's so weird looking all right well anyway and look at that handsome devil right there damn all right let's see so we've got uh oh am i gonna oh do they i don't think they take fall damage i think we're good um we've got some bugs coming after me right now let's go ahead and take control of this bronto if we could jump onto it there we go so now i have this bronto kind of sort of team to me right now um which is really cool i love that this is a thing it's it's obviously going to be a super big thing in pvp i'm sure that everybody's had some fun encounters with noglin just absolutely decimating their bases because noglins can't be targeted by turrets if i'm correct right i'm pretty sure that's correct so yeah um i just love this i love the fact that we could just take whatever creatures we want if they're within the level limit of your noglin so you can't just tame a low-level noglin and then just take control of like max level creatures it kind of it's done in a way so you're gonna want to team up higher level creatures to get uh you know higher level brains essentially so um yeah um i think that's a good idea very very very very good idea oh oh my god all right let's see can we uh we can do any other attacks i think we could just do everything that the bronto could do right i i'm very i'm very curious how this is gonna work like can i take control of esperanto with one noglin take control of another bronzo with another and then you know make them have babies without taming them that would be cool but the funny thing is and i'll show you in a second when we can get rid of all these guys following and uh trying to attack me and everything uh funny thing is when you remove the noglin from a wild creature it absolutely just eats the whole thing in one go it's like freaking nibbler from futurama which is a good reference because the naglin i do believe is completely based off of the idea of the brain slugs in futurama you know it's actually even named brain slug so that was the thing i thought of immediately when they showed them off i probably even said that in a video i can't remember but um yeah it was kind of just funny that that reference was so true to this creature but um yeah let me see can we actually see the naglin where am i latched where are we are we on the actual brain oh yeah there we go look at that it's kind of horrifying really is so um yeah once we're on here we have this creature for five minutes right now um i'll quickly just kill this this guy right here and then we can go ahead and demonstrate the consumption of the of the creatures it's very horrifying let's see let me just go ahead and kill this guy before he randomly attacks me there we go cool so if we tap f we can actually just dismount completely um and go back to my character and as you can see we have the little noglin tracker right there and we also have it just beside my hot bar by my stats let's go ahead and remove the brain slug from this creature can we do that uh knuckling controlled how am i not able to do that right now oh that's weird i should be able to repossess but it's not allowing me to hmm you're able to do this with other creatures let me see do i have to get up like closer to where the naglin is i might have to uh oh that oh it's not actually on it anymore is it what the hell this is noglin control what are these creatures why are they so messed up did i just duplicate my noclin or is it actually not controlled i have no idea what's happening right now let me go ahead and just kill can we kill you is this the thing we can't actually even hurt you i don't even understand what the hell just happened there is my noglet still up there wait look the glow is still up there look at that wait wait wait wait what the glow is still on its head but i don't think the naglin is still there because i mean obviously i have it okay so somehow we figured out how to glitch out the taming and then on how to glitch out the noglin in general love that that is okay this is like the worst episode all right let's see so how soon until you're good i guess we could go ahead and just shotgun you to kill you um and then see what happens there we go oh my god wait what it fell off my shoulder okay very very confusing um clearly i don't do 10 million damage let me just say that um that is the dismount uh damage talking because it will automatically kill anything so don't latch into a kanthro or nar throw anything that does recoil damage you'll probably lose your knoglin if you try to dismount it and i don't know how it works when the timer runs out if it still does that damage it might do so here we go let's uh let's go ahead and how do you do it again double tap f there we go cool so now we're on this turtle look at that little noglin just latched on to his little his little head right there it's really horrifying looking at these creatures like honestly they're they're really scary so you can use pretty much most if any like pretty much every single like wild creature is the is there for the taking if you have the right level you can do it so i'm i'm gonna be very curious if we can actually use these in like certain situations where you know if i want to clear a cave could i just throw my noggling at the mosa as is my oh you know the turtle is getting damaged i was just thinking for a second that the naglin was but i don't think it is so yeah um like if if we see like a mimosa like a high level mostly can we just like throw the noggin onto it pretty much clear out the whole cave and then just swim through and grab the artifact like could that be a thing i don't know could be pretty interesting let's uh let's not be directly beside this turtle when it kills my turtle that i'm on there we go yeah oh my god the turtle just did that much damage that's crazy all right can we there we go sweet so now we're on this turtle so we'll just uh dismount that and let's see if we can do this so the turtle's actually following me now which is amazing so we can repossess if we want to to go back on um which is cool and then we can also just go ahead and remove the noglins so here we go with 10 million damage my doglet deals 10 million damage look at that click bait right there [Laughter] put like a surprise attack in the corner i don't do we have a surprise emote probably not panic probably anyway um so yeah these creatures are very cool but clearly very buggy i mean like are you kidding me that's honestly ridiculous some fun fact about the naglin you can't tame or what well you can't tame them clearly i don't know where i was going with that you can't breed them is what i meant to say um you can't breed them and you can't clone them so you basically if you want an algol and you've got to tame it the way that it is you can't just like you know go around and collect up a bunch of noglins off of people and then just mass produce them in like some sort of like cloning or breeding factory so very disappointing for me because i'd love to actually just get a just a completely like kind of like lime colored uh noglin just to pretty much make myself an actual brain slug from futurama that would be great maybe i'll have to do that in single player just to see what it would look like at some point or maybe we could wait for some more uh little like custom events and stuff like that you know the the ones that have like the colors and everything like that i don't know could be a thing this is uh this is cool this is definitely really cool we'll have to use the nagaland a little bit more um to try and maybe like take over like a wild cake that's another thing you can just grab a wild gig and then just try and meet run somebody's base or you know just use that giga for a cave or i don't know use it for whatever the hell you want i'm very curious though would we be able to use the naglin on creatures in caves if it's a high enough level noglin would you be able to take over like a polar bear in the ice cave on extinction or something like that because those things can get up to like level 500 or something so i don't know probably not but maybe like a lower level and then use that one could be a thing i don't know we'll have to do this like we'll have to do like a couple tests on the cluster eventually when we get back to that series but um yeah there's like a lot of things that we can obviously use these noglins for obviously right now i'm i'm pretty drained of all energy um i've been running on fumes all day because this has been so frustrating and annoying to try and figure out so hopefully this video has helped you if you've watched 20 other tutorials trying to figure out what piece of information they're all missing and the piece of information they're all missing is simply don't use brad creatures guys that is it for today if you have enjoyed this video go ahead do me a favor hit the like button if you want to see more like this you can of 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Length: 32min 57sec (1977 seconds)

Published: Wed Jul 07 2021