Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak discusses AI race between Google and Microsoft

GOOD MORNING >> IS THIS MICROPHONE WORKING? I WAS JOKING >> HOW ARE YOU >> I'M DOING GREAT >> HE WAS OUR SURPRISE VISITOR FOR THE SHOW YESTERDAY WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET HIM TO COME BACK TODAY THERE IS A LOT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. STEVE, WELCOME WELCOME. >> GOOD TO BE HERE YOUR SHOW IS SO EARLY. I'M ON CALIFORNIA TIME >> WE APOLOGIZE. 3:30 IN THE MORNING FOR YOU. WE GET IT. WE ARE APPRECIATIVE YOU CAME BACK HERE TODAY. YESTERDAY WE HAD A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT IS ALL THE RAGE PEOPLE ARE MAKING TONS OF MONEY AND LOSING TONS OF MONEY IF YOU WATCHED YESTERDAY WITH ALPHABET. YOU ARE THE ENGINEER'S ENGINEER. YOU ARE ALWAYS SOMEBODY WHO LOOKS BEHIND THE SOOCENES. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AI, YOU SAID THE FIRST WORD IS RIGHT. ARTI ARTIFICIAL THE SECOND IS NOT. >> THE THOUGHT OF INTELLIGENCE LIKE A HUMAN BRAIN YES, THE RESULTS CAN BE IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE FOR YEARS AND YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING TECHNOLOGY FROM THE HAMMER THAT MAKES A PERSON MORE POWERFUL THAN A PERSON WITHOUT ONE. THE TECHNOLOGY WITH COMPUTERS, IT IS SO A PERSON CAN DO SOMETHING THEY COULDN'T DO BEFORE AND BE DO IT BETTER COMPUTERS PROVIDE HELP IN THAT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS THE TOP FLOOR. IT IS INTELLIGENCE BECAUSE THE PROGRAMS, WE CAN'T JUST WRITE A PROGRAM TO TELL IT WHAT TO SAY WE HAVE TO LEARN AND TEACH AND STUDY EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. WE CALL IT INTELLIGENCE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE BRAIN REALLY WORKS. WE PRETEND WE DO AND WE DON'T. I KNOW BECAUSE WHEN I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL TO GET MY DEGREE, I WAS A PSYCHOLOGY MAJOR WE DON'T KNOW THE MEMORIES ARE IN THE BRAIN WE KNOW THAT PROCESSING CENTERS FOR MEMORY ARE IN THE BRAIN. WE ASSUME MEMORIES ARE THERE >> OR THE SOUL >> I WAS AT A COMPANY WHERE THE ENGINEERS FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE A BRAIN IT TAKES NINE MONTHS ONLY ONE WAY TO MAKE A BRAIN. >> YEAH. >> IF IT IS NOT INTELLIGENCE, WHAT IS IT >> I WOULD TELL IT THE HIGH END OF -- FOR EXAMPLE, A COMPUTER CAN SIT DOWN AND PLAY A BILLION GAMES OF CHESS AND REMEMBER EVERYTHING NO HUMAN COULD EVER DO THAT. A COMPUTER CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE BETTER AT CHESS EVENTUALLY. IT IS FOLLOWING ALGORITHMS IT DOESN'T HAVE THE HUMAN FEELING OR EMOTION THAT IS PART -- >> LOVE. IS IT POSSIBLE TO EVENTUALLY GENERATE SOME HIGHER FUNCTIONING -- SOMETHING LIKE LOVE IN A MACHINE? >> AFTER THE BOOK CAME OUT SAYING THE COMPUTERS WOULD DO AS MUCH MEMORY. I LOVED HIS LATER BOOKS. >> I'M HOPEFUL FOR THAT. THAT I'M ALIVE >> I WAS CONVINCED THAT YES, BY A CERTAIN DAY, WE WOULD HAVE COMPUTERS WITH EMOTIONS AND FEELINGS AND COULD LOOK AT YOUR FACIAL EXPRESSION AND READ YOUR FACE AND BODY POSITION AND BE LIKE HUMANS. BILL GATES CAME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER AND ELON MUSK AND STEVEN HAWKING SAID SIMILAR THINGS AND SAID I'M IN GOOD COMPANY. THEN I CHANGED MY MIND ALL OF THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND DOING THE SMARTEST JOBS AND DOING WHAT YOU USED TO DO WITH A BRAIN, ALL OF THOSE WOULD DO THINGS TO HELP HUMANS AND WE WOULD BE IN CONTROL. NOT A MACHINE THINKING WHAT SHOULD I DO TODAY. THEY WILL NOT HAVE THAT INTUITION. WE PROGRAM THEM TO SOLVE INDIVIDUAL PROBLEMS, BUT NOT THE LIFE LOOK AT THE CAR. YOU ARE DRIVING ALONG AND THE CAR SEES

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Length: 3min 49sec (229 seconds)

Published: Thu Feb 09 2023